Currently 12600k is cheaper than non k in Europe

Hey, are you, or have you, doing this for AMD chipsets?

can the ddr4 be compatible with ddr5 Asus boards

Buena capo!

If my pre-built acer claims a h670 chipset but mother board says acer on it And acer claims the computer is upgradable dyi and can be take apart with no tools.. does this mean the case can let me put any mother board i want ?

Bro. Same. Kinda why I follow and just watch Linus, jays2cent, and a few other KZfaqrs that break everything down every season. Gives me just enough info to not be completely out of the loop.

Same here bro…. My build is so damn old

@ZyklonBeezy I've been in the same place, so I suggest you to try to research part by part. Start with you budget, then depending on that, get a GPU. From the GPU, decide on the CPU (nowadays its either ryzen 5 5600 or intel i5 12400f for a budget build). Then for the mobo and the others, just research one by one, that fits into your budget

Same. its like you came out of a hibernation everything's changed

I wish PC's building was like in the old days , you could pop your vga card because you did not set the jumper to the right voltage or you would plop your Cpu in and your computer would just beep or not post at all because you never set your clocks and bus speed for your cpu and your expansion to match your cpu and the bus ( not that thing you take to School in the morning ). Plug and Pray was a thing and it also kept all the Wana be techies out of the game. Today everyone that builds a PC thinks they a techie now, because everything goes in one way and one place and it's all color coded. Bunch of amatures. XD

Also, K versions have higher clocks. If you can have it for the same price as a non K, you have some pre OC for free. I got a 10600K for the price of a 10400. Nice bump in GHz for the best B460 :)

@@Spido68_the_spectator K version have higher clock, but ADL i5 have 4 extra E-core, so it's worth go 12600K (and 12600K is like $70 more than 12600 non-K on the street here)

I think its true. I dont care about OC anymore and ordered a B660 motherboard and the 12600k.

12600 is just 100mhz less than k. If you strictly game and don’t want windows 11 the 12600 does 4.8Ghz on a cheaper b660 platform and thus the fastest 6 core. The 12400 is enough for 1440p/4K gaming, though the 12600 should be more capable to generate 10-25 frames more due to 400mhz higher boost. The 12600 will need a better cooling. In my country the 12400 is only 35€ cheaper. The 12400f is about 180, 12400 ~205, 12600 ~240, 12600k ~300

There is 12700 non-k CPU which cost a little bit more but faster than 12600k. 12700 non-k with good b660(h670) DDR4 motherboard will be the best for rendering or video editing kind of work for that amount of money. Obviously you'll need to remove power limits from 65 watts because its limiting performance of non-k CPU and buy good CPU cooler.

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Tactical! xD

Fuck that

E for Entry-level friendly

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Slow but steady growth for sure!

Then perhaps Dell themselves will win an It’s Better Than Dell™️™️ award.

Because your mom

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H series has double the dmi link between chip and chipset. So you can get more IO. Basically if you don’t need overclocking but need all the extra usb, thunderbolt and use expansion cards. But the price difference between h670 and z690 means you can always find a z690 at a similar price where you still get the same amount of IO on the z690, but also have overclocking unlocked if you ever do get a k sku. Basically unless you see an h670 at $50 or more less than z690 AND have no plans to overclock go with h670. But if you need the IO most likely you can find a z690 at a similar price of h670

@@Jsteeeez then why h610 is called h too?

H series has been around longer than b series. Hx7x was the best non-overclocking board you could get, basically all the features of Z just no overclocking. This is good for high end business and office PCs where they may need lots of IO but don't want to mess with OC stuff. Hx1x was also not overclocking but was more aimed at budget builds really stripped of high end features. Think of running a cash register. It's the number that differentiates these non-overclocking H boards. H77 vs H71, H87 vs H81, H97 vs H91, H170 vs H110. B series is newer. It is a more budget focused option between the two H series. It has recently been marketed mainly towards gamers. Before B series existed, I bought Hx7 boards for regular non-K Intel cpus. There's also Q series motherboard chipsets from Intel which is sometimes similar to the Hx7x. It's even more business and oem focused though.

Imagine how much easier this video would have been to make!

Yep and mobo is an extra 100hp

Bigger number not better H610 vs Z590 which mainboard would you buy ? XD

And it has 69.

NICE!

It's always like that. I haven't used any form of RAID for my private computer in decades either. And tech reviewers treat it like most of their viewerbase has RAID5 on their grandma's media center. Like no, fam. The H610 itself is already priced from €90 upwards in comparison to older socket cheap MOBOs that I could find from €55+. I am not paying another €20 premium on top of the inflated €90.

@@rokosoldat9912 I, and many, many others, do use RAID and this is a video about the latest tech available not your grandma's media center.

I built an entry level gaming rig for a friend with an i3-12100F + H610M + RTX2060 (old card), it plays Elden Ring, Valheim whatever they throw at it without issue. So yeah, I think tech reviewers get caught up comparing all the current hardware, but the lowest end chips, mobo's, etc are often way better than what was top end a few years ago, and the software takes years to catch up.

@@Alford425 Why did you buy an i3-12100F + H610M instead of just buying an i9-12900K + Z690?

@@angrysocialjusticewarrior wtf

pretty accurate lol

I've even kind of dumped AM4 board information at this point. I forgot about the A series. B550 PCIE gen 4 only to the x16 slot. X570 has 4.0 chipset link so more 4.0 available. Probably some other stuff but that is all I can think of. No insane support mattix.

@@pkt1213 b550 can have a 16x pcie and slot while having a nvme 4.0 slot too

Intel stock coolers are trash anyway.

$170 Australian for a NH-D15 and core temps below 70oC for a 5Ghz 10600K everyday oc is not a major cost when you consider the big performance difference vs a stock 10600 non k, also a good cooler coupled with raised limits means you don't need to worry about thermal or power throttling so you ride max turbo boost on non K CPUs with a mobo that will override the limits like the asus mobos (strix z690 disables them 😀)

@@LuxTheSlav That is true however, Intel has improved them as of gen 10 I believe. They usually do just fine for the slower non k models but for those with upper non K models such as the xx500/xx600, the stock coolers are noisey. I have no experiences yet with the newer Intel coolers as we typically use K models.

Sure. Thanks, we'll pay more attention to that.

@@GamersNexus when we are having some B660 and H670 motherboards comparisons and benchmarks? I can’t find any videos on KZfaq and the motherboards are already launched.

@@GeekNerdNoir those tests take time to run. Hardware Unboxed does really good ones but they are still working on it. Keep an eye on their channel.

@@GeekNerdNoir Remember that GN benchmarks to the intel spec; meaning any weird mobo settings like 101mhz bclk or unlimited power budget would be ignored. mobos should function identically until you start messing with settings (which most mobo manufacturers already do out-of-the-box). This is probably a main reason why performance tests aren't done at GN... because most mobos are preset to run out-of-manufacturer-spec when you plug them in, meaning it's not a manufacturer benchmark comparison; it's a mobo default settings comparison.

@@GamersNexus maybe making it darker on the ones you want to keep the viewer from being distracted by, blurring can mess with my eyes but thats a me thing so if not or if that messes with some other type of eyes that's fine cause I already enjoy the channel and it would just be a nice to have in my perspective

i really didnt get the difference between 660 vs 610, is it only overclocking? i m trying to get build with i7 12700, rtx 3060, 8*2 ddr4 ram , 1tb ssd + 250gb ssd any advise?

i think the gpu pcie x 16 is 3.0 not 4.0

@@Chris-rr9ud nah it's 4.0 for the GPU

i agree , it was an overly offhand dismissal , gaming performance can easily equal and sometimes exceed more expensive boards with the 12400f

Can I go for h610 with i3 12400f? I don't have any future plans for upgradation.

Just wait till people on Reddit make a spreadsheet.

The performance you get from an overclocked 12400 is incredible

@@mirzadaullymun7129 the price you pay makes it a waste of money

All the boards are expensive ddr5 boards

STRIX B660-G GAMING WIFI STRIX B660-F GAMING WIFI here is whole list of b660 boards with BCLK oc

When I was building and fixing computers a lot more than I am now I’d ask the customer what are you trying to do with the machine. If you ask them what they want most just say what’s new? So a lot of people that didn’t need it spent $300 instead of $1k+.

the chipset difference in non z series boards are mostly targeted to OEM-builders where a majority of the other stuff is not needed.

Intel licensing fees are absolutely insane... I know the 12600k is technically faster, but I bought the 5600x purely because it was more efficient, cheaper, and the motherboard was literally a 1/3 the cost of the same quality Intel board.

@@weasle2904 5600x is a slower CPU, so of course it is cheaper. But the 5600x is actually the one that has bad value for money. In terms of performance, the 5600x is closer to the 12400 than it is to the 12600k. The 12400f is significantly cheaper than the 5600x, and you will pay less for the intel system (CPU + motherboard + ram) than you will for the Ryzen system. AMD is no longer the budget option like they were in 2017 and 2018. They are no overpriced compared to intel.

@@angrysocialjusticewarrior AMD recently reduced their pricing recently, and their motherboards are so much cheaper it's actually a better value to get AMD. Not to mention AMD CPUs are waaaaaaaaaay more efficient

I can't find an i3 12th at MSRP

@@MitternachtAngel I bought i3 12100f with h610 mobo gigabyte for 215 dollars . Which has almost the same price for i3 10105f but more expensive for 25-35 bucks , (10105f plus h510 = $175) . Hahhahaha that was a very good deal , and now it's out of stock. The performance of i3 12th from 10th gen is kinda huge.

It isn't tough though. For 99.99% of applications, B550 is plenty. It's still an Unlocked platform, not that AMD's CPUs have that much manual OC head room.

I think BuildZoid will do this with GN in a future video.

The problem is that most of the B660 boards with good VRMs cost as much as cheapest Z690 boards but still dont have better VRMs than their counterparts.

@@benderbg Not really a problem. You don't need good VRMs on B660 because Alder Lake is much more efficient than Comet/Rocket Lake. You just need VRMs that aren't absolute trash. Anything with a VRM heatsink and at least 3 MOSFETs per phase should be fine for up to an i7-12700. If you're looking for a cheap B660 motherboard, the Gigabyte B660M DS3H, ASUS Prime B660M-A, and MSI Pro B660M-A all have VRMs that would easily be good enough for an i7-12700. (MSI, why did you change your naming scheme to be basically identical to ASUS?). Prices seem very variable between regions.

Thats what I was surprised about the gen4 x16, Is it that different than the others, did you notice if it caps the cpu? Cause I found an itx h610 for 80eur (asrock) and was thinking about upgrading from my z170, to a locked 13th gen i5 or i7... Cause I already got 32gb 3200 ram and 1tb nvme pcie 3, could save a bit.. was either this or b660, maybe b550

@@dragoljubzdravkovic1737 get a b660, a good one, most boards can handle the good cpus of this generation if you decide to upgrade later... which is the main point of these. right now.

​​@@TrikipumI've heard the same advice back when 10th gen was released, fast forward 3 years later when i need to upgrade, now people said there's no point upgrading withn 10th gen, go 12th gen instead, so this whole idea of getting better board so that we can upgrade to better cpu down the line become falls apart when i have to change motherboard as well upgrading to 12th gen, though for me i was aiming at best an i5, if one decided to get i7 then there's no point getting a budget board

Currently, my Radeon 5700 XT is hogging all of the PCIe 4.0 x16 (PCIEX16_1). That GPU is roughly equivalent to todays 6600 XT and RTX 3060 (rasterization power). Half of that (PCIe 4.0 x8 or PCIe 3.0 x16) would still be plenty for 5700 XT. So, I've got lots of headroom for a future GPU, which is propably much faster. Since my mobo (Asus X570-E) supports splitting that x16, I could start using both straight-to-the-CPU slots, *without bottlenecking my GPU.* Well, at least with my current GPU. But... ...with PCIe 3.0 x8 (or PCIe 4.0 x4) I might bottleneck my GPU, more or less. Not to mention a new, much faster GPU I some day upgrade to. PCIe *4.0 x16* GPU (32 GB/s) or PCIe *4.0 x8* GPU (16 GB/s) PCIe *4.0 x8* a capture card, for example or PCIe *4.0 x8* GPU (16 GB/s) PCIe *4.0 x4x4* a card with two M.2 SSD's (RAID1 or RAID 0) or PCIe *4.0 x4x4x4x4* a card with four M.2 SSD's and an iGPU. Or an external, 1-slot GPU in PCIEX16_3 (PCIe 4.0 x4) When will be the first GPU actually, in practice, really requiring PCIe 4.0 x16 (or PCIe 5.0 x8) released? Two years from now? Three years from now? And at what price...

I like my PCIE 4 NVME fuck off

Same

Given that my 11400 thermal throttled with the boxed cooler, on "Asus default out of the box" settings, I suspect that wouldn't take very much at all. Just enable MCE and run AIDA for 30 seconds.

@@fermitupoupon1754 12th gen stock cooler is substantially better, it can actually handle a 6 core locked CPU at full turbo, I heard 8 core require some undervolt to maintain 100% turbo though.

"My 6Ghz quad-core is enough for gaming"

@@Verpal More like 12th gen is substantially better. Intel finally leaving behind the cursed 14nm++++ Boiling Lake.

Nope it's dual channel with 1 dimm per channel

Who even uses sli now?

are you stuck in the past? sli/crossfire arent supported by amd and nvidia for a while already

I'm doing my research to build my PC and I'm having the same feeling... Everyone saying that h610 are bad, not a single one of then give a good explanation why.

the asus h610m-a is actually great, arguably more features than budget 660s, not sure on vrms but i doubt you’d want to overclock anyway. sucks it isnt available in my country so im settling with the h610m-e

You won't see it any time soon...it was the same with PCIe 4.

That is going to be one *monster* of a first pc, despite the mobo being an odd pairing.

The 12600 is a weak choice due to the extra $$$ compared with a 12500 and just a tiny 200 MHz speed bump, so it's probably a good thing he got the much stronger 12600k with the 10 cores

@@thelawnet good to know thanks. At least there are options available and happy to see Intel hitting back against AMD I hope it encourage the choices when they release AM5.

that's usually (kinda) true, because you pay a premium for 'K' which gets you overclocking, as well as a 100 MHz speed boost (which you won't notice). Confusingly it's not true for this generation, because the 12600K is basically an 'i6', because it has more cores than the 12600, and the overclocking support is almost completely incidental to the fact that it's a much better CPU than the 12600, whereas the 11600K was NOT much better than the 11600. So if you want 10 cores for streaming or programming or whatever, then there's no need to get Z690 if a particular B660 or H670 board meets your need.

I went strix z690 gaming A (ddr4), 32gb g-skill 4000cl16, 12600k, samsung 980 evo+, strix 3080ti oc. CPU @ 5ghz, gpu power limit +12% & undervolt (strix already had massive factory power lim so it's around 450W now). My rig smashes my mates 5950x in multi threaded benchmarks and gpu benches better then most 3090's. Thermals are great too. Cost and arm and a leg but I don't regret it.

KF can be overclock just doesn't have in board graphics

Why H610 though? B660 is only 15 euro more over here. The cheapest H610 I can find is 94 and the cheapest B660 is 109. I wouldn't bother with H610 atm it's not cheap enough yet.

Nah, locking yourself out of XMP and PCI-E 4.0 alone makes H610 non-viable for enthusiasts. For office use it's fine though.

@@klocugh12 You're not locked out of XMP, H610 has XMP up to 3200MHz. and you're only locking yourself out of PCI-E 4.0 for M.2, H610 still has PCI-E 4.0 for the Graphics card. And H610 still has 2x M.2 slots and 10Gb/s USB-A 3.1

The best and richest H610 way better than cheapest B660. Ther is no point to buy B660 until u wont overclock your memory but i don't think it worth it at all (20$ in my country) Also u lose some ARGB and RGB fan slots and 1 fan slot

@@inomix8871 In a way yes, the best H610 board has faster USB (2x10Gb/s), more M.2, and better VRM on paper, than some cheapest B660 boards. But some cheap B660 boars have more (5Gb/s) USB, so it's a quality vs quantity thing (extremely tight segmentation across the board).

H670 has the exact same number of possible (will vary by manufacturer) SATA ports. You can always throw a cheap IT mode controller in it and add another 4 or 8 ports.

@@valkaielod on paper, yes on actual sold mobos ... that's another deal

This kind of crisis always happens every few years, it's why consoles always keep making a comeback despite being locked down to hell.

@@WhenDoesTheVideoActuallyStart I feel like I'm back in 1997 with these prices. We were really spoiled pre-Crypto. It's nuts.

Bruh. Even rn its one of the cheapest hobbies in existence. Not even a full year of the average persons savings gets you a near top end PC in the current market. $200 a month gets you $2400 after one year. Thats is very minimal savings and it gets you a 3070/3070ti 12700k no problem full scalper prices.

@@Wylie288 Looking at it from that perspective, it's not so terrible, granted. I guess I got used to being able to build full 1080/1440p machines in 4-5 months.

@@Wylie288 What kinda expensive ass hobby you're into?

You'd be lucky to get it any faster and the overclocker would have to be one expert person with the settings to get it to go faster.

@@Garth2011 like 701 score in cpu z single core with 12400 and like 5 years old intel stock fun cooler. that was hard because 12400 is not support oc but you can push the vram, ram and the voltage but I needed to turn on the AC to keep the vram and the cpu cool. I am doing oc mostly for fun and for the challenge

@@harelbenyosef8743 All for fun, agreed. Not really worth the time to use as a reliable daily computer you need to depend on.

Exactly, and considering H610 have 3.1 (10Gb/s) USB-A, and 2xM.2 slots, and XMP support up to 3200MHz, H610 are a much better value for gaming than before. Intel significantly uplifted the H610 chipset > H510.

@@Dogzilla07 Yeah, and USB is so important, because something like cheap usb hubs don´t exist. When I look at the internal connectivity, I would rather take two more Sata ports as it used to be, adding a sata card with the pcie limitation pretty much equal to h610, adding usb-hub is way more logical. And regarding XMP, that´s even more of a srew over, my H110 was 60€ and supports XMP as well as OC (obviously limited) so yeah, I stand by what I said, it´s complete crap and therefor I´m not interested in Alder lake at all.

@@gedeuchnixan3830 People who need lots of USB, can't use cheap-hubs. Either due to latency issues, or bandwidth/signal issues due their niche devices (or in case of streamers, not niche xD)

@@Dogzilla07 the second M.2 on an H610 will be at 3.0 x2, typically. Quite slow. I mean, it's a cheap board, so ok, but it's 2 (*) M.2 slots. Most B660 boards have 2 4.0 x4 slots, which will be very good for many years. 3.0 x4 and 3.0 x2, not so good.

@@thelawnet 3.0 x2 is plenty for now, for like a mid tier NVMe (Kioxia Exceria) or storage SATA SSD (MX500). It's not like there's any difference in games xD As for later yeah, but who knows what we'll need for UE5 and Directstorage (what if it's PCIe 5,6 drives), might as well switch platforms then.