Glad to see you're noticing the benefits of AV1 already. Thanks for the overview Addie!
@DragunnitumGaming2 жыл бұрын
Great work on that front intel! if the prices cheap and the drivers fixed I would definitely purchase an intel GPU ♥
@j340_official2 жыл бұрын
I want ARC to succeed. Rooting for you... although at the moment I'm using Radeon.
@igrewold2 жыл бұрын
Intel Graphics Send Phoronix site your gpus to benchmark
@fumeiusr2 жыл бұрын
Really hope yall dont give up on ARC!
2 жыл бұрын
Can you guys do a video on the challenges of hardware video encoding/decoding and how resolution resolution matters? Like in one of the LTT videos it didn't worked with their 2:1 aspect ratio videos (and nor did apple silicon)
@Bare_Essence2 жыл бұрын
Don't forget, not all 6000 series have an AV1 decoder. The 6400/6500XT did not get one; H264/5 only.
@QuickQuips2 жыл бұрын
Nice. A solid efficient open source format to rule them all. Like Flac for audio. Wished there was something like that with stuff like office documents (odf is in a chicken and egg situation).
@EposVox2 жыл бұрын
Heck yeah!
@DesertCookie2 жыл бұрын
Didn't DOCX get open-sourced, or was the spec just made public and free to use by everyone?
@Astfgl2 жыл бұрын
DOCX is basically just Word's memory dump format converted into XML. It's nice that it's an open standard in theory, but in practice there is only software product that can accurately and faithfully implement it: Word.
@TheNerd2 жыл бұрын
@@Astfgl which doesn't matter since a staggering 50% of the "Office Cloud World" uses Microsoft 365 (the other 50% are owned by Google) and in "the offline world" its probably still around 70-80%. In over 20 years of professional IT Support, I can recal a hand full of companies not using Microsoft Office out of literally thousands. Even most "graphics studios" using only macs in entire companies use Microsoft Office most of the time, simply to be able to Open Documents without the hassle of "they are broken". It's the defacto industry standard for decades. The sad reality down on earth is: .docx is not the problem, but the users not using Microsoft Office. Yes there are nice open source alternatives, but they simply can't compare in terms of functionality. Example: Using a Excel sheet that sources it's data from different data bases, in different cloud locations ,to make a nice overview of statistics fully automated and viewable on a website, done with a couple of clicks on a website (Microsoft calls that Power BI) Libre Office was yesterday, tomorrow is Microsoft 365 and Google Workspace.
@lyoneel2 жыл бұрын
document formats are many and as far I use them correct, the problem is Microsoft
@CasualGamers2 жыл бұрын
So, it turns out that when the ARC GPU is not crashing or stuttering, you can actually stream AV1 pretty good. Nice!
@__aceofspades2 жыл бұрын
AV1 is extremely impressive for quality & bitrate. I am buying an Intel Arc GPU just to get hardware accelerated AV1 support. The A380 is like $120, or in laptops, and slaughters AMD/Nvidia and CPU encoding from a high end CPU. Intel hit a home run with their AV1 support.
@ryanw.98282 жыл бұрын
The new GPUs from AMD and NVidia may also support AV1...
@TheXev2 жыл бұрын
@@ryanw.9828 We know for fact AMD's new GPUs will have AV1 encode based on Linux source code analysis of the upcoming Navi3x GPUs that is already public. nVidia is almost certainly going to follow suite but the evidence isn't as strong.
@cynanomite2 жыл бұрын
@@TheXev That, and it is looking less and less as if you will be able to buy a discrete ARC GPU anytime soon, if they don't cancel it altogether
@oakfig2 жыл бұрын
Does Nvidia have av1 encoding on the roadmap at all?
@samiraperi4672 жыл бұрын
Discrete encoder cards might turn up. Might require ReBAR but you could fit one in a narrower than x16 slot, or even an M.2 slot (x4 should be plenty to look at framebuffer data).
@meddlin2 жыл бұрын
Does this mean it's time to revisit the old "1 GPU for gaming + 1 GPU for encoding" setup question? Awesome video, dude! Thanks for covering this!
@sinswithin2 жыл бұрын
Yes and no. I mean if you can get these results on the cheapest ARC Gpu, then its plausible at only $130-150 (the prices of a 'decent' capture card) You can capture all your gameplay with the best encoder out there, or stream without a performance hit in either catgory. 'however' if you don't have the money to spend or if the $150 is the difference between a 3070 or a 3080 then it'd probably be best to go for the 3080 and the NVENC encoder as the 2-5% improvement (Speculating you have a higher bandwith) Isn't justifiable. If you're on a slow internet or need to save bandwith due to others in the household etc. 3.5mbps on AV1 is the hands down best performer for quality to bitrate. It really just depends on the use case and if its extra money you have laying around or not. It also begs the question of getting a Intel CPU for streaming with Quicksync as that's even more of a happy medium.
@Justifiers Жыл бұрын
@@sinswithin I think while that logic may work for the "I'm building a PC, what should I go with" scenario, I'm fairly certain Darrien Rushing's scenario is more "I've already build a beefy rig, possibly even top end (6800-6950xt/3080-3090ti) Don't want to go back and rebuild or swap parts, if I go with dual GPUs could I spend an extra $150 -300, pop a second GPU in my unused PCIe slot and possibly a PSU (if necessary) and benefit from the new encoders?"
@sinswithin Жыл бұрын
@@Justifiers every major device has its own encoder. Intel with quick sync and AV1 now. Nvenc, and AmD has it's own encoders. And while AV1 is the best and others scale downwards. They're all within Margins of eachother. I was more so approaching from a PC building standpoint yes. I also acknowledged that you could just slot arc into a second slot for the encoder benefits.
@foxxyboxxy93486 ай бұрын
@@sinswithin quicksync can do av!? if not, the cpu route is not really an option for low bitrate streaming imho.
@sinswithin5 ай бұрын
@@foxxyboxxy9348An Intel ARC GPU can do Quicksync OR AV1 encoding. A Intel CPU can only do Quicksync.
@seamon97322 жыл бұрын
Nice! I would also be VERY interested in seeing how GPU AV1 encoding compares to CPU HEVC encoding in Handbrake, both for speed and quality depending on setting from RF 18 to RF 22 for 1080p and 4k. If it's faster and same quality, it'd still be a win for the videos I archive.
@EposVox2 жыл бұрын
Yeah video/archive focused coverage coming soon too :)
@VPC2 жыл бұрын
@@EposVox Thank you so much!
@N0N01112 жыл бұрын
Been waiting for the NEW video/archive take. AV1 seems really good, but how fast will the speed be? Will quality over speed be worth it? We will know when the new one hits our retina :)
@lesterhung74672 жыл бұрын
@@EposVox can you please share what driver and software settings you used? I can't ever get handbrake nor OBS to recognize the AV1 hardware encoders
@ImraanSalie2 жыл бұрын
Love these videos and I'm excited to see the progress of AV1. Only question i have is have you thought about making decode/encode performance charts. for people who use these hardware accelerators for things that aren't streaming related and actually encoding speed matters. eg encoding bluerays to h265 or transcoding content from h265 to h264 on plex servers for devices that don't support h264
@EposVox2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I plan on diving into speed too
@nathanlowery11412 жыл бұрын
Subbing for this testing….
@keithmiller96652 жыл бұрын
Thank You for reviewing the 380 from an encoding perspective! Just about every other KZfaq channel goes on about game performance. I don’t play games, but I do enjoy exploring and ONLY buy GPUs for their encoder abilities. I genuinely don’t care if the 380 sucks at games as long as its hardware encoding is excellent!
@salaciouscreations43232 жыл бұрын
Yeah I hear you. I wish reviewers would run render tests for video editing renders so editors can get better ideas on the gpu performance. Encoding on the gpu is something you can never go back to the cpu with once you become spoilt with 400fps renders.
@daygeckoarthawaii1360 Жыл бұрын
This reminds me of how almost everyone reviews drones for video, but not photogrammetry and photography, which are probably how drones are more commonly used
@Sam_Saraguy2 жыл бұрын
Great to see some good news about this GPU. It's been taking a lot of fire from other KZfaqrs. I'm hoping Intel hangs in there and sorts out the various issues in a timely manner.
@KonQuesting2 жыл бұрын
Super exciting to see Intel shaking up the status quo with moves like this! When Twitch finally rolls out AV1, I might pick up one of these to use as a secondary card.
@JPAchilles2 жыл бұрын
Loving how Intel's knocking it out of the park here (ignoring their driver woes for the moment, I'm sure those will get better with time,) but how does their GPU AV1 encoder stack up to NVENC H.265?
@LunarLaker2 жыл бұрын
just going from graphs in this vid: NVENC H.265 has an average of 87pts, while GPU AV1 gets 87, 88, 90 and 81 for an average of ~86pts (within margin of error given my shitty reading). I think it'll edge HEVC out in with some optimisation
@JPAchilles2 жыл бұрын
@@LunarLaker But HEVC wasn't in this graph, how can you be so sure? And at what file size is NVENC HEVC doing it? Cuz H.264 can reach the lame level of quality too, provided it has enough bitrate; just the VMAF score alone isn't helpful
@fungo66312 жыл бұрын
@@JPAchilles MPEG-2 can also reach the same quality at high enough bitrates.
@WalrusFPGA2 жыл бұрын
Great video. This seems very promising and I look forward to seeing how it handles some of the filter experiments I've been doing with retro games. It will be interesting to see how AV1 interprets scanlines and shadow masks in particular, and if when in motion it confuses the shadow mask noise for film grain and tries to re-construct it. Hoping it will see the consistent effect and encode it on a frame-by-frame basis properly instead of reconstructing because I can imagine it may create some wild noise if it tries to, which has been an issue with youtube's re-encoding at 1080p for a long while now, when colors fall in a particular range. (mostly deep reds, purples and greys trip it up.) Thanks for a glimpse into the future here, Stream Sensei!
@SLAY3R88882 жыл бұрын
You're going to hate hearing this, but this would be a perfect opportunity for you to revisit the "dual GPU streaming / recording" topic from a couple years ago that you made a video on. Except this time, using a mobo / CPU combo that doesn't force you into x8 / x8 mode with a second GPU. Such as an X570 with 3rd gen Ryzen. I've been experimenting with this on x16 / x4 mode with my PC, along with a long 16x riser cable to physically relocate the encoding GPU outside of the case. It seems to be working well so far. Running my 6900xt at x16 gen 4 and my 3060ti at x4 gen 3 (I think gen 4 is doable for the second GPU as well, still testing on that). It has benefitted both my in-game fps along with my stream / recording quality (because NVENC >AMF). And eliminated the need for me to have a second PC for streaming/recording at high bitrates. OBS makes me leave GPU 0 selected for it to work, but it gives the NVENC option, and I can see that the encoding portion is taking place on GPU 1 as desired. The 6900xt still has a small load of scene compositing and copying over info to the second GPU, but it's way less than if it were doing the entire encoding process (I do high bitrate stuff). I don't have any video / stream evidence of the results yet on my channel, because I've been having health issues and just testing when I can. These Intel GPUs would work perfect in a dual GPU setup like mine as an encoding GPU, if it will work correctly and be somewhat viable compared to a more complex dual PC setup. Thanks for the content as always. EDIT: Thought I would note that I am not using SLI/Crossfire mode in OBS
@SLAY3R88882 жыл бұрын
Update:. I did a 4 hour test stream on KZfaq today with this setup, streaming and recording Escape From Tarkov at 4k @ 51,000 bitrate and it went really well. 0% dropped frames. Performance preset with Psycho visual tuning works great.. if I use Quality or Max Quality preset at 4k it overloads the encoder though. At 1440p it can handle Max Quality at the same bitrate no problem.
@RAVPower- Жыл бұрын
A T400 graphic card would be sufficient for what you want to do.
@SLAY3R8888 Жыл бұрын
@@RAVPower- True but I have several 3060ti's in a mining rig already so I just used one of them
@Tampsey2 жыл бұрын
this guy makes really good videos. AV1 looks amazing
@owenquinlan60472 жыл бұрын
If you plan to put those graphs up anywhere could you show SVT-AV1 at preset 10 too, at least since it finally got 1.0 the default preset (in its stand alone encoder and FFMPEG) has been 10. Other than that it’s amazing to finally see av1 getting so close to wide spread adoption. If discord added support to their CDN servers id be sending all my videos as AV1 over discord
@sadcrouton2 жыл бұрын
Been waiting for this video for the last few days, love it
@Sanyex2 жыл бұрын
the video i was waiting for :D
@mindscarp Жыл бұрын
I think in graphs such as 9:04 you should write the generation of the hardware used (intel CPU gen / AMD CPU gen / Nvidia GPU gen), like you do for the graph at 12:39 , otherwise people could believe QSV is better while in reality they have an old intel CPU and using NVENC would be better for them.
@TonyTurbo782 жыл бұрын
Nice video buddy a lot of work put into this one so thanks. Exciting times, we massively need Twitch and KZfaq to allow far greater bitrates so we can get better quality obviously AV1 is a step forward. Any idea if next gen GPU's (Nvidia 40x series AMD 70x series) will have an AV1 encoder also?
@warin72142 жыл бұрын
Damn, some actual positive coverage of intel arc gpus! I was bummed out after all the bad news I've seen.
@NotYourParentsGnS2 жыл бұрын
Omg never clicked so fast on a video! Thank you for the coverage and breakdown!
@Arctix2 жыл бұрын
It's ALMOST here! Amazing video as always Addy! Probably one of the most important pieces of information in the video for my colleagues is that this will end up being the GPU for a Stream PC. I'm so excited, hopefully Twitch gets on board fully quickly. They're long overdue for an upgrade anyways. Thanks for the important information!
@DragunnitumGaming2 жыл бұрын
as a small streamer, this is exciting!
@MarcRitzMD2 жыл бұрын
you did not oversell it! This is truly game-changing. I am so excited for things to come
@SolarBang2 жыл бұрын
Been super hyped for AV1 for a good bit, just waiting to see things fall into place.
@williamanthony72242 жыл бұрын
This was the ARC review I was waiting for. The lower tier card is going to find its way into every emby / plex server
@VoyivodaFTW14 ай бұрын
Dude!! I love the lighting in all your videos. You continue to kick ass and help me be the best streamer I can be.
@RidirFamilyGaming2 жыл бұрын
Just the disney lawyer reference alone gets a thumbs up. Thank you I needed a dad laugh.
@gordo2471 Жыл бұрын
I bought a Intel 770 just to encode av1. To get a vmaf around 98 I encode at 22q on handbrake and a typical blu is ready in under 10 mins. About 265fps. Blown away by how useful it is for my media server.
@alsteooaai Жыл бұрын
do these codecs, like Intel AV1 improve the visual quality also in decompression or only in compression?
@rossmpostpro Жыл бұрын
Just noticed Champions of Norrath in the back, nice. Great video too man. As a pro video editor in the UK, I'm very keen to see how AV1 continues to develop.
@DizConnected Жыл бұрын
So the RTX 4090 and 4080s were revealed, but not one mention of the DUAL HARDWARE AV1 encoders! I can't wait to see your review of these GPUs and can only pray that AMD will have AV1 hardware encoder(s) too!
@liaminwales2 жыл бұрын
All ways love to see the more technical video's, relay clear and well explained deep dive in to the subject. Thanks for the video.
@RuskiRozpierdalacz2 жыл бұрын
Some other test that I saw today suggests Arc has also very solid HEVC encoder, (possibly competing or even beating its AV1 encoder) could you try using it next time you make a video about it?
@EposVox2 жыл бұрын
Yep!!
@RuskiRozpierdalacz2 жыл бұрын
@@EposVox Thanks, you're doing awesome job.
@STS2 жыл бұрын
Very cool testing, thanks for sharing! I wonder if we'll get to the point of having an igpu, intel dgpu, and an nvidia/amd gpu all in one system 😂
@Lem21372 жыл бұрын
This might be solution for irl streaming, because there's always not enough of available bandwidth. Currently it's rather complicated (or expensive), to get usable quality.
@StYfReX2 жыл бұрын
I was waiting for this video, finally it came out. Thanks
@SenpaiDarkLord2 жыл бұрын
This is why you are one of my favorite content creators. Your work is amazing!
@AZTR0ID_TV2 жыл бұрын
a video i've been waiting for a looong time! on-point info as always.. AV1 output seems really efficient .. lower bitrate for the same effective quality is gonna draw in mass viewership numbers .. we're likely on the cusp of record livestream viewership numbers
@EposVox2 жыл бұрын
Rural US areas followed by other less infrastructured countries about to rise up on twitch
@AZTR0ID_TV2 жыл бұрын
@@EposVox exactly...Nvidia said on their website that they were partnering with twitch to offer 1440p 120fps outputs at the existing bitrate cap with av1 encoding. Do you think it will be a similar scale up in quality like av1 has with 3.5 - 6 Mbps?
@mleise8292 Жыл бұрын
KZfaq also accepts *H.265* for uploads and HTTP streaming if you are on AMD and don't want to purchase anything with AV1 yet. To switch from H.264 to H.265 in AMD ReLive, change the setting ⚙-> Record & Stream -> "Video Encoding Type" from AVC to HEVC. I used a 2017 Vega56 to record 1080@30p speedrun footage at 1.5 mbps + 96 kbps audio (690 MiB per hour) with that and it looks really good. KZfaq of course transcodes it to H.264 and VP9. If you are interested in the quality, look it up under "Alien: Isolation, low%, NMG, NM, 3:51:25" (and make sure it shows in 1080p). 16:32 As that article mentions, film grain simulation was already defined in H.264 Annex D as auxiliary info. The specification only provided parameters without an actual algorithm to use them AFAIK, so virtually no one implemented it. A streaming service that also ships set top boxes (i.e. has control over encode and decode) could have made use of it anyways I suppose. Thanks for trying H.264, your sacrifice will be remembered. Last not least thank you for all the hours spent creating the comparisons. I was very surprised that according to Netflix' metrics AMD has better quality at low bitrates these days than nVidia. I guess CPU load must be higher then.
@RepsUp1002 жыл бұрын
Epic W for Arc
@hunterap23552 жыл бұрын
Awesome stuff! So for the time being, this is the best dedicated hardware x264 encoder we can get out hands on - do I smell an ultra powerful dual PC setup with this card in it? Hopefully Twitch and KZfaq will figure out how to make AV1 work on their streams before Nvidia and AMD release their new cards with supposed AV1 encode support.
@Gajbotron2 жыл бұрын
So... YT & Twitch needs to implement AV1 support on their platforms first in order to enable AV1 for streamers or.....?
@EVPointMaster2 жыл бұрын
@@Gajbotron Yes, if OBS is anything to go by, Twitch and KZfaq only accept h264 for streaming. At least on KZfaq you can compensate with bitrates up to 50Mbps
@hunterap23552 жыл бұрын
@@Gajbotron yes, YT and Twitch need to explicitly add support for receiving AV1 from programs like OBS. As EposVox pointed out, RTMP does not support AV1, and RTMP is what both YT and Twitch use to push out the streams to multiple users at once
@Maxoverpower2 жыл бұрын
This is not a "dedicated hardware x264 encoder". x264 is a software encoder that outputs h264. And it's not a hardware h264 encoder either, AV1 is a different codec.
@EVPointMaster2 жыл бұрын
4:33 I recommend leaving KZfaq's AV1 setting on auto, as using the Always prefer AV1 option caused some videos to be missing all quality options above 360p for me.
@dvanomaly420 Жыл бұрын
But how many av1 encoding streams are available? NVENC can do 3 out of the box, and unlocked drivers opening up even more streams on high end gpus.
@danivasilioglufilms Жыл бұрын
Thanks for all this, it's appreciated!
@futuregootecks Жыл бұрын
Super enlightening, didn’t understand why av1 was so important before. Thank you! Gonna have to try out the intel 🎉
@Gajbotron2 жыл бұрын
We (game streamers) need AV1 support on YT & Twitch, in order to do fast paced games 1440p-4K/60-120fps streams in higher clarity! We can get the hardware but YT/Twitch needs to fully support AV1 on their end !!!
@EposVox2 жыл бұрын
Chicken and egg scenario. This is the egg. It’ll happen
@Gajbotron2 жыл бұрын
@@EposVox Lookin forward to it! it is already 2022 and game streaming deserves "next level" improvement in picture quality! :)
@timpolster Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your comparisons. Exciting stuff. When do you think AV1 hardware encoding will make it to onboard CPU - iGPUs? Basically replacing Quicksync.
@honey4xi5 ай бұрын
4K or 8K 60fps HDR video AV1 is for streaming online due to good quality, high resolution, high frame rate, and the smallest bandwidth over H264, H265, VP9. Handbrake fast converts a AV1 video on my M1 MacBook Pro 13" (8-core GPU) up to 50% small file size compare to H264 video.
@meco2 жыл бұрын
I know your channel is more for streaming content but it still would be interesting to see 15mbps and 25mbps which are commonly used on streaming services and maybe even a hbr (50mbps) comparison between h264, h265 (with x265 and Intel’s GPU) and AV1 (SVT-AV1 and Intel GPU). If not as a full video maybe as an article to read?
@EposVox2 жыл бұрын
I’ll have some video talk too. I have a LOT of coverage planned :)
@meco2 жыл бұрын
@@EposVox cant wait! While most people focus on the gaming aspect I just want to put the cheapest Arc GPU (by the rumors around 100$) in my Homeserver to have something power efficient (Germany…) and future proof. Maybe when the drivers get better over time the other aspects get more relevant as besides video work I’m just a very casual gamer for GPU use
@EposVox2 жыл бұрын
Yep same. I have little interest in the card for gaming but $130 or less for encoding and such is insane
@hamzashaikh93102 жыл бұрын
Nice. Thanks for the objective analysis of the arc gpus.
@TekNeil2 жыл бұрын
As far as encoding, very promising! And at the rumoured? prices, if it does end up working well enough graphics wise, it could just be seen as a bonus lol.
@RubyRoks2 жыл бұрын
This is gonna be huge for people streaming on 5G and 4GLTEA, be it on the go or at home. I'm using a 5G hotspot for my home internet and the speeds are worse than what i got with Comcast for the same price (why i'm using 5G is a long story), so once people jump on the AV1 bandwagon, having access to higher quality for the bandwidth will make a world of difference.
@TheXev2 жыл бұрын
I was able to use my old 4G LTE connection to stream at 720p60 a long time ago.. but because of the terrible internet options in my area, lots of people jumped on and my upload speeds went to trash. Now I use Speedify and combine my StarLink and Verizon 4G LTE connections into one.. and it kinda works.. but kinda doesn't. :X I hate living in the middle of no where.
@Doug-mu2ev2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video Epos! Just got my hands on an HP Envy with Arc A370M, it is great! Which software did you use to access the AV1 Encoder? Ffmpeg or something a bit less commandliney?
@tech360gamer2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great insight. I’m really excited for when we can start to encode twitch streams in AV1 amazing information you’ve been able to make. Thanks 👍
@fungo66312 жыл бұрын
If you encode with AV1 you suddenly have a huge audience with setups missing hardware AV1 decoding. VP9 at least works with almost everything from at least 6 years ago.
@tech360gamer2 жыл бұрын
@@fungo6631 That is true. But will mention you already have answered your own issue. Which is the whole reason why companies put the decoders in to tech first and only after start to properly use it which has been happening the past couple of years. There is still many things that VP9 doesn’t get used by some services or another for whatever reason use use VP9 though I can understand your point. Though even then AV1 will still be a more benefit than VP9 so at that point it’s best just to try and use something that is more newer and more helpful. Though you may be surprised how many devices already do have AV1 decode support of some kind or another. To name a few devices which many people already do have Quest , Fire TV stick (Max), Nvidia GPUs so will AMD new ones. Intel cpus built in their chip since the end of last year have it. PS4 pro for Netflix said it’ll work on that. So already it’s starting to be out in the wild but as I said in the first part that you need the devices to decode before things get shared around in AV1.
@fungo66312 жыл бұрын
@@tech360gamer You answered your own question. Only CPUs from last year have AV1 decoding support. AV1 also doesn't offer much of a boost in quality, but is a lot more resource intensive. Especially when you have most people using older devices without AV1 support.
@CASTSTONE2 жыл бұрын
I'm excited for wireless VR. Right now it's decent but any improvement would be welcome.
@ALIENiAM2 жыл бұрын
Yeah awesome times coming if this really will become the NEW standard with AV1. I was missing 120fps 1080p testing in this video. Would love to see those results.
@WarMomPT2 жыл бұрын
Is the graph at 9:53 accurate? Intel AV1 is at the bottom of the pile in this scenario, and at 10:11 it starts off strong but at the 8000kbps mark it's at the bottom, about 5 points below even AMF. Putting that aside, thank you for pointing out how huge that jump is at the low end. It's not something that occurred to me to look at because I'm not that target user, but god, when this catches on, it's going to be so good seeing the baseline quality take a leap. A lot less 1080/60 streams that look absolutely garbled!
@EposVox2 жыл бұрын
I don’t know exactly why it scored so low with Splitgate but that was after me re-running the encoded 3 times and got the same results.
@WarMomPT2 жыл бұрын
@@EposVox Thank you!
@Rewt2 жыл бұрын
Great video, but I'm sure a number of people like myself have already moved on to NVENC H.265, and esp now that Resolve has native H.265 export support in Windows, I'd love to see it compared to that.
@EposVox2 жыл бұрын
I mean you haven’t moved onto that for streaming lol
@Dessoh Жыл бұрын
Jeesus and the pricing for such a quality encoding GPU being only $139.99, if they keep the low-end at that price going into the future, will make budget streaming builds sooooo much more accessible. Ive never thought about getting a second build because it seemed like it'd cost a fortune but with just the lowest-end 1st Gen Intel GPU it could easily be done in $600 or under. Just mind-blowing
@handlemonium2 жыл бұрын
Hope this doesn't get cancelled be for a single one is sold at Best Buy. Creators might be the first to see the advantage of ARC cards if they expedite encoding & decoding as fast as Nvidia CUDA or even better at an affordable price.
@MrSmitheroons2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the neat video! AV1 fans unite! One downside not gotten into is it is still more expensive to *decode* a typical AV1 video or stream compared to typical H.264 or VP9 videos/streams. Not a big deal on *most* laptops or desktops, but mobile users are probably going to watch their battery life drain fast and wish their app or browser was streaming with a different codec. I say this as an AV1 fanboy myself. Would love to see more mobile GPU decoder support. It's also frustratingly hard to google which phones support it, IMO... So I actually don't know if support has improved in the past year or two. I also don't know if you have tried libaom CPU encoder's "realtime" mode? It is supposedly designed for streaming (particularly videoconferencing) in mind. Might be suitable for a separate streaming box to run? Not sure how much CPU that needs, though... And I rarely hear about the community actually testing the "realtime" mode. Makes me curious, though. So if you'd look into that, and if you think it's relevant for streamers, I'd be interested to see a video with that.
@asbregafio8891 Жыл бұрын
Intel Nvidia and amd also provide codecs for the consumer and not for the streamer? to enjoy a better visual quality and not to strain, always make videos on encoders, but is there something different between amd intel and nvidia talking about decoders and decompression?
@Sounds_magical11 ай бұрын
Excuse me, as I understand AV1 affects more on game streamers or on KZfaq content creators too? Is the difference between AV1/NVENC more recognizable only in games? Thank you so much for the answer.
@AlexanderHaibel2 жыл бұрын
Would you expect these scores to behave approximately the same for 1440p, 4K? Or will you be running more tests
@EposVox2 жыл бұрын
Mostly the same, but I will be doing more coverage
@ThePhillShow2 жыл бұрын
Do you think one of these ARC GPUs could be used as a dedicated encoder card? Is that kind of functionality basically already available?
@EposVox2 жыл бұрын
You can already do that yeah
@eirik10682 жыл бұрын
Awesome content as always! :D
@EposVox2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@davidbetancourt40282 жыл бұрын
Wow, only 18.9k views. WTH. This is top notch work and just assumed it'd be 10 times this # at least. Great job on the work nevertheless. _NOTE:_ I searched for this video after watching a quick Hot News episode where this video title was shown, so I manually searched for it.
@EposVox2 жыл бұрын
Sounds like they should have linked to it then :/ thanks for stopping by!
@davidbetancourt40282 жыл бұрын
@@EposVox IIRC I think it was just a still image that he spoke to. It was only on the screen for a moment, but it definitely caught my eye. The link in the description was to a TomsHardware review, which I'll probably consume later in addition to your fantastic video.
@butterfingersman2 жыл бұрын
the VCR effect / softening / luminance or whatever it is on the camera footage is super distracting and blurry on my monitor! but i appreciate your updates on av1 and history with investigating encoders. it's hard to keep tabs on what is possible in obs and what the timetable is on twitch implementing new codecs, so thank you for the updates. i cant wait until 1080p60fps is actually possible on twitch.
@butterfingersman2 жыл бұрын
yeah, hope it doesn't come across as rude or anything! but moments like 4:18 had me rubbing my eyes trying to get sleep out of them, and im not prone to that (when i watch brutalmooses mystery tapes videos shot on tape, i do not have eye strain issues). i still dig your content and appreciate you linking sources in the description!
@Veptis2 жыл бұрын
So the dedicated video hardware on the A380 is the same as the A750 (and A770). And the larger die doesn't have more of it. You said it's a GPU encoder, but it's not using the vector/matrix units, it's using dedicated silicon that isn't the GPU which would be rendering your games for exmaple. Could be misleading. And the 8GB VRAM will not be sufficient for compositing in Fusion. If they all of a sudden market it towards content creation, the laptop SKUs make more sense than the desktop cards. I haven't read deep into AV-1 enough, but it sound like there is great for video game and screen recording footage. Not just capturing the real world with a consumer camera. Blackmagic can encode h264 that looks better than nvenc at 120mbps with just 24mbps. Why doesn't their hyperdeck hardware end up on graphics cards for example.
@EposVox2 жыл бұрын
I call it a “GPU encoder” with the same generic phrasing as people who refer to graphics cards as GPUs. But yes in nearly every instance of GPU HW encoders, cards across the same generation have the same capacity.
@TheXev2 жыл бұрын
Do we know when Twitch will start ingesting AV1 encodes? Will streams be converted from AV1 to H264 in transcode? I have so many questions about Twitch's timeline.
@EposVox2 жыл бұрын
Their original timeline estimated end of this year or early next year
@xaionik2 жыл бұрын
I wonder what is going on with that Splitgate result? Regardless, this hardware encoder is a great win for Intel.
@Karti2002 жыл бұрын
With everyone just roasting for their „early, bad gaming drivers” and nothing else… it is nice to see someone reminding people that AV1 is also a huge part of Intel ARC
@markthestark12 жыл бұрын
amd had terrible lauch with 5000 series as well, the drivers were non existant for quite a while and when they got released it was so bad, people forget so quickly
@Karti2002 жыл бұрын
@@markthestark1 of what i noticed on other forums and tech media - people not only forget everything that was bad with really not that old releases from Nvidia (DSLL 1.0 and early push on RT with Turing cards) and AMD (really bad launch quality / drivers for RDNA1 and Polaris GPU) - but they try to say that things like that never happened xD also everyone using Raja Kaduri as "escape goat" and reason to roast Intel proclems... like wtf...
@JohnMFlores2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this. Just ordered an A380, for encoding AV1 as a creator, not a streamer.
@JarredWalton2 жыл бұрын
Which GPUs did you use for the encoding, particularly on the Nvidia side of things? The Pascal (GTX 10-series) encoder was noticeably lower quality at the same bitrate than the newer Turing/Ampere encoders. It would be great if you had a list of the various GPUs used for encoding purposes in the video description.
@EposVox2 жыл бұрын
Everything was latest generation for each company, covered in the previous video.
@GeltyDrake2 жыл бұрын
An Intel encoder can be used having an nvidia card?
@EposVox2 жыл бұрын
Of course
@GeltyDrake2 жыл бұрын
@@EposVox Phew!... I thought it was exclusive for Intel cards. Thank you!
@EposVox2 жыл бұрын
I thought you meant both cards a at the same time. Yes, the Intel GPU AV1 encoder only runs on the Intel cards. Nvidia will probably have their own for RTX 4000
@GeltyDrake2 жыл бұрын
@@EposVox Aww... Ok, then I'll salute AV1 a goodbye xD
@Housestationlive2 жыл бұрын
this is the best review of this product i've seen on youtube.
@gamemeng2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if Intel (OBS?) could implement further down the line an automatic switch to a lower preset/lower bit-rate if speed connection is low and preserve (mostly) the integrity of the image instead of breaking in a mush of pixels and ultimately ending the stream altogether. This could be a life-changer for 5G streaming (or even fiber users with crappy connections). For testing purposes I wonder how the encoder scales with crazy lower or higher resolutions-framerates-bitrates (can it even keep up to "real-time") and uneven odd resolutions. Great coverage!
@EposVox2 жыл бұрын
OBS already has a dynamic bitrate feature for that very reason, dynamic CPU usage would probably just spell disaster for most
@gamemeng2 жыл бұрын
@@EposVox From my experience it's a bit too agressive so even somewhat minor drops in speed can crush the quality of the stream for extended periods of time (1080p60 stream, NVENC, 300-ish Mbps upload fiber). As I want to use it for game footage streaming AND archiving some segments of the playthrough may turn useless if I toggle it on. In my current state-use case: OK-ish quality, stable > variable amazing/dog-shit quality
@marcux83 Жыл бұрын
saw this as av1 on my phone. superb!
@ItsSouljah87 Жыл бұрын
Which CPU was used for the SVT Encoder? When will Twitch and OBS support both: AV1 Hardware- and CPU-Encoding?
@konga3822 жыл бұрын
Great performance at 1080p 3.5 Mbps could also translate to great 4K performance at 8 - 10 Mbps. Could be worth testing? It would allow twitch to enable high-res streaming without blowing out the bandwidth budget if it works well.
@toggleton63652 жыл бұрын
Would guess the next would be 1440p and maybe for higher framerate as 60fps as that is what most gaming monitors are going to. 4k is not that popular yet.
@konga3822 жыл бұрын
@@toggleton6365 Yes, obviously most people don't have 4K monitors, but it's getting cheaper all the time. 1440p and 4K options are bound to happen on Twitch at some point, and it's just a matter of time. It would happen sooner if AV1 could be used at those resolutions without going crazy on the bitrate.
@EposVox2 жыл бұрын
You can already stream 1440p and 4K to twitch you’re just bandwidth limited. Theoretically it’s possible with AV1 now, Twitch’s demo showed high quality 1440p120 only using 8mbps
@MistyKathrine2 жыл бұрын
I'm shocked that Twitch is still so bandwidth limited. KZfaq allows you to stream up to 51k bitrate.
@Housestationlive2 жыл бұрын
from a gamer point of view, game studio don't adapt their games very well, but for a streamer, it can be THE solution.
@DGRWPF2 жыл бұрын
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@manofculture80972 жыл бұрын
I like the fact, that you concentrated on more aspects, that make the Intel ARC GPU a competitive product, rather than just switching to Gaming right at the Beginning. I think, this might be the feature, that would've solved many issues regarding Framerate frequency in many Games, that were tested with other reviewers.
@tIhIngan2 жыл бұрын
Question: The Intel hardware AV1 encoder produces the same video quality at a given bitrate as which AV1 software encoder setting? And what about the same comparison for offline encoding? Basically, what I am asking is "How much CPU" does the hardware AV1 encoder replace.
@The.Sky.Driver2 жыл бұрын
Not gonna lie. I was about to ask if you had changed your upload format. Watching on 1440p on a native display and I noticed enough of a difference to try to pixel peek to see what was going on. Wow. AV1 is pretty lit.
@DavidMohring2 жыл бұрын
I wish that Intel , AMD & Nvidia would include bi-directional HDMI/Displayport ports in future generations of their graphic cards, instead of having to rely on external HDMI/SDI capture interfaces. The GPU could capture the HDMI/DP input into a buffer then would be able to encode that buffer.
@EposVox2 жыл бұрын
I heard that it’s been considered but the ASICs for it was too much to add
@DavidMohring2 жыл бұрын
@@EposVox Maybe if Intel's external GPU problems continue, as an added value selling point, they should consider adding it, along with streaming encoding to Ethernet, to a daughter board or external unit.
@Seacat17 Жыл бұрын
I have stupid question. Is it possible to create hardware VP9 encoder? Like, we have H.264, we have HEVC, now we have AV1, but what about VP9?
@RuxUnderscore2 жыл бұрын
For those who have looked around: AV1 is probably not going to work for you on KZfaq if you don't have an 11th gen Intel processor with Xe graphics or newer, the new Intel Arc GPUs (of course), an AMD RX6000 series (minus a couple SKUs) or newer, or Nvidia 30-series card or newer. I spent a while trying to figure out why videos on KZfaq were still playing with the VP9 codec instead of AV1.
@EposVox2 жыл бұрын
1080p (and sometimes 1440p) plays fine decoding on CPU. Takes time to get AV1 transcodes on videos but you can 100% watch them without those specific hardware
@RuxUnderscore7 ай бұрын
@@EposVox Funny enough, I just have been rewatching this video today since the new announcements with Twitch and Nvidia, and telling a friend about it, and the video is using the AV1 codec while watching this time. I think I was pretty terrible with this original comment as I didn't fully understand encoding and decoding video formats at the time. Pretty much anything 10-series and above from Nvidia can decode AV1, so you'll be able to watch AV1 content with anything from the last 10 years now. Pretty sweet.
@Dygear2 жыл бұрын
Please don't change the colors of the different codecs from graph to graph. It makes it super hard to follow.
@EposVox2 жыл бұрын
Tell that to Excel
@Dygear2 жыл бұрын
@@EposVox File > Options > Advanced > Chart > deselect 'Properties follow chart data point for current workbook' deselect 'Properties follow chart data point for all new workbooks'
@chickenpasta7359 Жыл бұрын
I really hope that we have dedicated PCIe AV1 cards since I don't really see the need to upgrade from 6900 XT for gaming
@RFLCTR2 жыл бұрын
What is twitch waiting for ???
@EposVox2 жыл бұрын
Lots of back end infrastructure changes, a streaming protocol to be agreed upon for sending it, more encoder adoption
@GamingWithURO2 жыл бұрын
Is it possible to run an A380 ALONGSIDE say an RTX 3070 in the SAME PC and just use it for encoding?
@Wombel2 жыл бұрын
What is missing for me is how useable is QSV with Intels 12th Gen actually in a single streaming PC setup. Because when i watch this video i am thinking about just putting the new ARC GPU as a secondary GPU into my rig and move to a single streaming setup. Even with NDI its still a pain to stream with 2 PCs. Besides that its a really amazing video. Looking forward to AV1 and hopefully twitch will actually support it some day. And if not YT streaming here we come ;)
@EposVox2 жыл бұрын
I covered that during my launch coverage of 12th Gen - works great and surprisingly has a slightly lower performance impact on your game than NVENC
@annakissed32262 жыл бұрын
I signed up Curiosity stream/nebula over a year ago, yet I have not yet seen a single bit of nebula only content. Why? Because I watch using an xbox one & nebula hasn't released an app for that!! I can get Curiosity stream because it has an app but their is no nebula app so no nebula content.
@kephrentv2 жыл бұрын
nice video!
@jjdizz1l2 жыл бұрын
I am very happy with the reality we're headed toward.
@haziqsembilanlima2 жыл бұрын
I occasionally stream with AMF h264 and seeing QSV AV1 samples at similar to identical bitrate is something that I always dream. also how does QSV AV1 impact game performance if you don't mind testing? At times AMF isn't tolerable on low end CPU though that's mostly me cranking up quality as much as posible due to how blocky AMF results even for high bitrate local recording
@ghostfoxxx Жыл бұрын
good video, have you advice to setup AV1 in recording with geforce experience settings?
@EposVox Жыл бұрын
GeForce Experience can’t record AV1. It uses H265 for 8K and HDR, H264 for everything else