NOTE: While recording this segment, Tommy Tallarico publicly threatened legal action against Ars Technica. Not a shocker! Are you surprised with the hardware specs revealed about the Amico at all? Ars Technica article here: arstechnica.com/gaming/2021/06/what-the-hecks-an-intellivision-amico-consoles-leaky-dev-portal-offers-hints/

The whole Amiico journey should be made into a Netflix documentary produced by Pat.

Can't wait to see how Smash JT tries to spin this one as a positive.

The Amico and Tommy are unravelling and melting down faster than I expected, it's all so entertaining to watch unfold.

I'm more interested now in the potential legal actions against Intellivision for it's questionable business practices.

When people pointed out how tough it would be for Amico to turn a profit selling $2-$8 games (before TT moved the goalposts and increased the game prices) plus there were six packed in with each unit, Tommy bragged that Amico would make a profit on every unit sold. That means there's a markup in the Amico that other consoles don't have since the big three sell their hardware at cost or a small loss and make it up on software and accessories and online services. Then people pointed out that Amico would have a hard time getting shelf space away from the big three. Tommy again bragged that the store margins (i.e. how much stores can sell the unit for compared to how much the store pays for it) are way better than the big three so stores would be happy to give Amico more space than the big three. So there's another markup that the consumer is getting less value for their dollars. Then there's the simple fact that the Amico is going to be manufactured and sold on the scale of thousands while the big three are doing production runs in the millions. Do you think the Intellivision will get the same bulk order discounts for parts and manufacturing that the big three get? No way. So the consumer is getting even less value for its money.

The Adreno 506 came out in 2015 and is part of the Adreno 500 series. There are 9 different GPU's in the Adreno 500 series and the 506 is the 7th worst of those 9. The Snapdragon 625 SOC came out in 2015 and was included in budget smart phones of that era. This thing is running a mediocre 2015 era mobile SOC. By today's standards were talking beyond low end. Holy shit, that's incredible. They are basically charging 250 dollars for a 6 year old low end smart phone. We're literally talking about phones you could find on ebay for like 50 bucks these days. Say what you will about the atari VCS but at least that was an actual computer using modern hardware.

We need an Amico feature length movie made up of all your Amico vids, no edits needed. To give Pat and Ian credit, they stuck to their guns during this entire war. It's been going for for near 3 years now, still no end in sight.

A Raspberry Pi 4 would run circles around this thing. Christ.

Ian with the comment of the video “He just wants to make a console as cheesy as he is” 🤣 🤣 🤣

Can you imagine the look on Tommy's face if he files a lawsuit and then realizes what the discovery process will bring out to the public eye?

Why is Tommy freaking out? Isn't he proud of his footbath's specs? Atari kept me in the loop nicely through all the drama for my dual core Ryzen mini PC (really loving Ubuntu and steam-proton). Does the footbath gave Ryzen? Oh ... oh dear. Oh that's ... Wow. Or as Tommy would say 'oof'.

Can't wait to play an Atari 2600 game collection on a modern console for the 1,000th time...

So developing for it is heavily restricted in terms of content and aesthetic, your game sells for $10 - $20 max, Tommy takes a 50% cut, you have to labour to get it to support a base unit that's as fast as a 2015 budget cellphone and a controller that's less powerful than an NDS, the unit's hugely behind schedule _and_ you have to include content that will be platform exclusive? Why, I can't imagine why they've had to resort to recycling free flash games for their launch library. Developers should be kicking down their door to make exclusive quality titles!

It's gonna be a bigger success than Nokia N-Gage!

I had hope for this. But $300 and those under power specs.. For that kind of money Just buy a good andriod tablet with 3 or 4 gbs of ram and download retroarch.

So basically it's not even as capable as a Raspberry Pi 4. Jesus Christ.

This is a shockingly poorly thought out console. The starting point is basically an Aliepxress cheap console and it gets worse from there. At least Aliexpress consoles come with standard controllers.

I watched the Giant Bomb reaction to the Amico E3 thing. They were shitting all over it.

Thoroughly entertaining. One of your best discussions in a long time. I was highly engaged throughout. The console is a complete farce, you did your research and broke it down for everyone as to why that is.

"If we can't go off of what you've put out to the public then what good is what you're putting out to the public" This is a very good point from Ian. I've lost track of the number of times I took Tommy's used car salesman style marketing weasel words at face value and some Amico superfan replied to me essentially calling me a moron for not being hooked directly into the weird AtariAge echo chamber forum thread which is apparently the only place Tommy feels comfortable giving anything approaching straightforward information.

No wonder Tommy has a chip shortage for the Amico, he’s having to try and fish 5 year old cell phones from the dump.

You should make a supercut of that guy who always calls you with "insider info" about the amico. I love his stuff :D

The Adreno 506 is pretty much the weakest mobile gpu out there.

Jeff's reaction on Giantbomb about the Amico was maybe my favorite hot take. Literally laughing at the whole E3 showing.

I still like Pat's original idea of taking all those LEDs, putting them on a toaster, having the toaster play music, and then having it announce to everyone in the room when the toast is almost done. Let's get some productive use out of those LEDs please. :) Anyway, Pat and Ian rock. Please keep up the good work. :)

I'm really looking forward to getting the Amico... for $1.99 in the bargain bin like the 32X.

Pat and Ian with Reviews on the Run. Tommy no likey!

Tommy reminds me of people who do one thing great and think they can do everything great.

Taking 50% from game devs 😑 20% more than the already high industry standard of 30%. That’s a new level of greedy grossness

Ian: "he wants to make a system as cheesy as he is" Burned!! :) :) :) Also if the controller only has 1mb of usable memory, that kind of explains why there's so much lag on this thing. With so little space to work with it will likely never be completely fixed.

You gotta have thick skin to be online. If you can't take the heat Tommy, get the out of the kitchen. Everything about him and his product, every single thing, has been an absolute embarrassment.

Some kid is gonna ask for a Switch or a PS5 or Xbox for Christmas and their parents are going to get them this instead. Then next Christmas they’ll ask again and their parents will say “Why would we get you a Switch when you have a perfectly good Amico?”

As a CEO, he should welcome the attention as opportunities to dispell and disprove the claims. He has failed time and time again because it doesn't appear there's anything they have concrete to dispell or disprove the claims. This is why they fail big time. Time and time again anyone asking questions is attacked as a troll etc. I was interested in this system a year ago, but now not touching it as a consumer.

An absolute processing beast under the hood of this console.

Oh boy, this is gonna be good! After the Caleco Camelon cluster@#$%, I never doubted you - Pat and Ian on this, too many red flags!

This electronic looks like something a grandpa has in his nightstand in order to call for his nurse

I grimaced at the snap dragon as i wouldn't go below 800 series for my phone's for like past 5 years wow

My theory on the price point is that they're also trying to cover r&d costs. It reminds me of when the PS3 came out and they were selling them at a big loss because of how expensive the blu-ray drives were back then. Sony could do that because they had the cheddar, but Tommy only has a sprinkle of parmesan.

RIP Reviewtechusa's credibility.

With all the tech bigwigs on his team, you would think someone woudl have said to Tommy at the very beginning, "Keep It Simple, Tommy"? The whole project is lacking focus and proper planning, and needed more time for prototyping before launching the kickstarter. They promised to make a product before knowing what they were going to make, and this is what happens when you are building "on the fly". I think people and investors bought into Tommy's charm, which as a saleperson is a golden asset to have. And his tale to becoming a video gaming music celeberty is a major "trust" selling point. But that salesperson needs a product and team behind him to delivery on his promises. In short, what Tommy needed from the beginning was project manager with the power to tell Tommy, "No! We are not doing that until x, y and z are done." I like Tommy's "go get 'em!" additute. But he bit-off more than he can chew here. I would like to know if someone said to him, "Tommy we need time to refine what we are doing, otherwise this will be a mess" at some point. I feel someone probably did but was overruled.

The Amico is the coleco chameleon 2.0

Wow, this console is getting better and better

Does it surprise you that a guy who still rocks Ed Hardy wants to make a bedazzled console?! 😂

Might as well just dust off the ol original Intellivision, probably has more processing power.. just install some LEDs on it yourself lol

Two things Pat, Ian was right tommy said retailers told him to raise the price of the amico so it wouldn't be thought of as a flashback console. The other thing is that tommy is lying about Cara Acker. She no longer works for the amico but name is still listed as an employee.

Best part about this was Tommy quickly tweeted that a lawsuit was incoming to Sam. He immediately got shit on and deleted his tweet an hour later 😂

Wow! What an amazing break down analysis guys! Great job! 👍

It's the gift that keeps on giving.

You fools! Tommy put all those documents up on his site just to troll the haters. Another win for the good guys!

Why does it feel like Tommy spent more on the light effects show than on the shell of the console?

If you've ever bought or even looked at one of those bootleg pre-loaded mini "consoles" on Amazon they use very similar style stock photos.

Lemme get this right. The people who complained about the price of the VCS not matching it's specs are now defending a 5 year old $100 phone in a $250-$300 shell?

The Coleco Chameleon book was very good. I hope someone writes one for the Intellivision Amico.

Surely Smash JT is still in his hot tub expecting a return on that 10k investment.

I hate hearing about the Amico but I love hearing about the Amico...gluten for punishment I guess. Interesting fact, the Atari VCS actually released

So the saga continues keep up the good work no seriously are being sub to you guys since 2016 keep up the good work

At E3 in either '96 or '97, I ran into Tommy's entourage a few times on the show floor. He was always wearing a blinding glittery suit and surrounded by a bunch of guys who seemed like they were having fun, and were much taller than him. I sat next to Victor Lucas of Electric Playground during the '97 keynote, and Tommy wasn't there, so I assume he was at the show representing Tommy Tallarico Studios because of all the soundtracks he was working on.

Honestly, what I want to see is the Amico crusaders just biting the bullet and admitting they got caught up in the hype. Just swallow that pride and admit you were mistaken, then move on.

I thought this was vaporware and gone. Then again, the VCS somehow came out. If this isn't a scam, this is going to be a major disaster. I'll save my money and buy that mini Neo Geo cabinet.

Low specs COULD mean cheap price which could mean larger audience which could attract devs... if this was done competently. Consider Game Boy, GB was king of handheld for almost a decade despite lack of color and backlight. Games sell a system... and Amico lacks a killer app.

And this is only... ONLY... the 24th video in this CUPODCAST AMICO playlist... Let that sink in ^^

When this comes out and inevitably fails, the Tommy redemption tour blaming it on bad pre-launch publicity is going to be equally embarrassing

You could play more powerful games on Zack Morris' cellphone.

The Amico is a phoney just like it's carefully curated comment section on their videos.

I'm going to tell you what the problem is: this is not the 80s any longer. You can't just get a bunch of off-the-shelf parts, put them together into a plastic enclosure and call it your console or home computer system and expect people to fork out 250 bucks for it. Games are much more complex and expensive to make, and people expect a lot more from those machines. Unfortunately, releasing a console is a "game" for big corporations like Sony, Nintendo and MS.

WOW. **TWO** gigs of RAM!?! 😱 The common wisdom that I've heard bandied about is that on modern devices, Android requires a minimum 4 gigs of RAM to run smoothly. And I can tell you that I'm watching and writing this on an okay, serviceable Lenovo tablet with 4 gigs of RAM that sometimes really chugs. I can feel it heat up noticably, depending on what I'm doing.

Pat you can feel validated. RTU has an unlisted video trashing the amico more than you guys. He also admits he was too soft on tommy. And now tommy has brushed him off.

I like watching train wrecks, it's so exciting ;) I can't believe so many people actually jumped behind his BS for monetary support and free advertising through shilling.

You guys should do an ongoing playlist of your Amico coverage. Spent hours watching your Amico videos going back to 2017-18? Absolutely right and justified since the very first thoughts video. The backlash is so dumb.

I can confirm that non-binary people, also, enjoy humor.

NOTE: While typing this #CUPodcast comment, Tommy Tallarico has publicly threatened legal action against Ars Technica.

Maybe it was all about selling the Story and not the Console.

Hello, great show, love it👍👍👍. Still saving to buy me my first CUPODCAST shirt. Neto.. I heal MRSA or something jijiji. Lots of love from Tijuana...

Well, I guess Video Games Live and his video game career may be tarnished now that Tommy has been shown to be a more shady businessman or simply an snake oil salesman. What a shame.

Can't wait to play on a 2016 budget phone 😆. At that point, might as well open the Android play store and say you have hundreds of "exclusive" games.

Why would I buy this when I just got a surprisingly compatible android tv box for my tv for $20?

Ever wonder what would happen if a blackberry and a rotary knob had sex? I present to you the Intellivision Amico...

I can't believe I'm saying it but the most surprising thing is rich turning heel and attacking "Amico Shills" on Twitter 😂😂

Very excited to watch this!

Ian was totally checked out of this convo by the end lol

Funny how someone says a certain podcast duo has an IQ of 12 yet they edit videos for RTU even though he just basically shit on the system and the Amico shills for almost 2 hours recently.

My pixel 5 is like twice as powerful. Wow.

Is there a back story behind this? The guys are getting a bit personal with Tommy here. It seems like there was an incident between them. I don’t see this much coverage on the Polymega or Atari for instance. Granted the Atari is out and has been delivered to backers and it’s coming out in stores. Even though it’s a subpar mini PC in an Atari package.

Even better, a Switch Lite costs $199, so the Amico is MORE expensive than a Switch. And the Switch has thousands of games you can play and download now.

I just found out the base Amico is $339 Canadian 😯 for $60 more you can buy a Nintendo Switch. $339 is insane, nobody is going to pay Switch prices for the privilege of playing cell phone games. This whole console reeks of arrogant leadership.

Rich is a shilling fake. “Any way the wind blows rich” should issue a public apology to you guys

Wait! WAAIT!!! Let me grab some snacks first! ................... ok, go! BTW, congratulations Pat, that's a lot of people brainwashed by you... according to Smash JT. XD XD XD

Wow, imagine that. Also, yikes.

Even at $100 this thing would fail.

Which will be first: Earthworm Jim for the Amico or Star Citizen? _lolz_

This video is a great. You guys didn't pull any punches

It's basically a five year old phone?! Fucking WHEEZE!

Ian is so fucking done with these Amico topics. I don't blame him.

I really want Tommy to succeed but everything sounds like disaster with this console.

50% .... Insert J Jonah Jameson gif

Bring back Ouya, all is forgiven

I think even Pixel Pat's tired of Tommy's bullcrap at this point

It's incredible how Tommy kweps defending his feces. I mean he's now trying to tell people that people say using stock photos ia illegal, no Tommy, it's just misleading to modify these photoa to make it seem like your product functions in an entertaining way.

Scamico