Caleb Johnson what does the D stand for?

Dunce

That's why that s in "Internet of Thing*s*" is lowercase.

I wish I could say that is a joke but the only joke is the lack of security.

I see you listen to embeddedfm

Robert Miles exactly almost every IOT device has no need to connect to the internet

BIG BROTHER wants to be everywhere...

rob miles - what a LAD

Who wouldn't want internet-enabled bog rolls so you know who used up the roll and didn't replace it?

IoT = NSA Everywhere

but if a government or TLa has access to a backdoor then those with malicious intent already have access

NSA already has killed a journalist with the hacked car method

Devil6Lair Which one? Sources please

Isn't this exactly what happened over the weekend with the ransomware? I mean it was a discovered exploit rather than one made for the NSA, but similar enough.

Exactly the wannacry situation. Not technically a back door, but it was intended to be used as such by the NSA.

hackers will... if it's a model that's popular enough... kinda like android custom roms, unofficial but more up to date and secure...

Oh I absolutely have faith in the community on that front, but even then, it becomes something that people need to seek out as opposed to being automatic. For example, is a computer that gets automatic updates more secure than one that has them turned off and only updates when the user feels like it? And sure if it's a popular car, but when every auto manufacturer makes more and more of their models autonomous, we are going to see a loft of baggage from those models and manufacturers that didn't make it.

You can't just have people modding their car software. That is the scariest idea I've ever heard. If you do a dodgy phone update all that can happen is someone gets your twitter password, a bad car update kills your family. There is a reason this type of software is some of the most aggressively tested code. No individual is going to want to take on the liability for patching cars. You need a massive company with some serious liability insurance.

> You can't just have people modding their car software. Well, people will. Can you imagine? It's 2022 and your friend goes "I just got this awesome car app that self drives your car *in reverse!*" >No individual is going to want to take on the liability for patching cars. That is certainly something to worry about in this case, and would seriously hamper a niche community from gaining traction (even if they were able to make a positive difference). With that said I think you should have a little more faith in the open-source community! The best maintained code bases in the world are open-source and user contributed and tested more thoroughly than most companies could ever dream of. As of right now, all of these companies are developing their own code to tackle really hard problems without collaboration, wasting tons of manpower by writing code to do the same tasks someone else has already done somewhere else, and each missing a test case the others thought of. It's only a matter of time until a large part of autonomous vehicle code base is turned into a massive, centralized, open-source platform that will be the root of each car's systems. There is no reason that 30 companies need to completely write their own sensor fusion codes from scratch.

@Robertlavigne1 you know, already nowadays you can download a firmware from the internet to reprogram your car engine control unit to get better performances. Few people do it but if the software is not from the manufacturer, this can be dangerous.

I've heard that 75 to 80% of medical devices have terrible security (and from what I've seen in doctors offices terrible interfaces) and rarely receive any updates. Perhaps it used to be strictly regulated or perhaps it depends on where you're from. America has a largely unregulated capitalisms which is not always great. To be clear I'm all for capitalism and in the real world (when you factor in what really happens due to greed/corruption) it's definitely better than communism but it needs to be properly regulated to prevent greedy companies and politicians from being able to force people to do things their way.

Lol.

Its not working in the EU. even if you press the button it has no effect

Zothaqqua it's already placebo effect...

Diggnuts safety without privacy is extremely easy... privacy without safety is also easy...

The word "outcomes" is a noun that means "results." You mean "out comes."

It's cool. i think that anytime i write a report detailing any "outcomes", i'm going to remember this comment and never forget the correct way. Thanks friend :) P.S please forgive any other mistakes I don't want this to turn into a learning the dictionary exercise.

International Conference on Internet of Things and Machine Learning (IML 2017) Venue: Liverpool John Moores University October 17 - 18, 2017 Liverpool city, United Kingdom

And algebra D:

Also "The Deception Planners" and "Secret Power". Yea, this guy is up to something.

IKR? I want to read all his books.

Not just software. Drivers and firmware, too. At least once a year you hear about some exploit involving firmware, so we should require GPLv3 on that, too.

Roxor128 True. The million-dollar question(s) is/are: 1. How to educate most people to understand the importance of this 2. How to convince said people to put pressure on companies to actually license their code using GPLv3 3. ??? 4. Success(?!) :c

Which defeats the entire reason people want driverless vehicles in the first place.

Sina Madani Nice Remember Me picture.

Thanks. No-one else has ever noticed it before!

Is it the wannacry attack?

We could make it so that any company which has made such a device be snapped up by the government in the event they go out of business and the costs of maintaining their former products be covered by a tax on the remaining companies in their sector.

I guarantee there *will* be. There *always* are (that's why you can jailbreak a phone - security flaws.)

oggi mog but companies don't care about sustainability or long-term profit, only how they can get maximum money in minimum time... quality products and quality ideas are things of the past...

That's why most countries have laws... Companies still have to follow regulations... If a government mandates long term support and is willing to enforce it this would be a cheaper alternative then keeping hundreds of different devices up to date.

That would be counter to two main issues. First, the most profitable consumers are idiots who love to pay more for trivial garbage "features" with no thought at all about the function of the base vehicle as a vehicle. Second is that your idea would spoil the covert control aspect; they have mostly been quite the past few years(don't want to alert the lemmings now that it is reality) but some time ago law enforcement folk were exclaiming how great it will be when they are able to remotely shutdown, disable, or otherwise control vehicles.

+Barney Laurance Sure, it's not a cure-all. If someone get's into this separate device he can still do harm. The benefit would be that a up to date software part would be harder to get in in the first place. It would always be better to keep all the software up to date. +wolfedog99 I'm talking more international, but sure also in other countries this is a problem. But I think it's a separate issue. If the government doesn't want devices to be secure, and companies don't care and consumers/voters don't make their voices heard there is not much one can do in any case.

OEM's. Original Equipment Manufacturers. E.g. Samsung.

For "driver assist" features, yes. In the case of a car that literally drives itself, the liability is squarely on the manufacturer.

+Nick Combs "Liability" does mean "automatic compensation". Civil law still has requirements for proof which means even a company that can be held liable for damages still has a right to defend itself from a claim. Yes, the standards for proof are lower for civil liability vs criminal charges, but that still doesn't mean it will be easy to prove a case, and there most certainly will not be automatic summary judgments handed out to manufacturers at the moment of an incedent. This is the point of this guy's video. The tech will be exposing people to genuine risk which could involve very difficult issues (on top of death and injury). The law is quite clear that it will never execute a conviction merely on a claim (or say-so) of an accuser. Even a driver who is receives a summary conviction of a moving violation (a traffic ticket) is always granted the opportunity to fight the ticket in court. This point of law (the right to face an accuser and defend oneself) is not going to change. How could it?

But will car manufactures have any incentive to do what you do. Once they ship out the car they have made their money so there is no point in going after software upgrades. Making software that will last 30 years is very expensive and will cut into profits so car makers won't do it. So are they going to charge people a monthly subscription? Will people go for that? What if they stop paying their monthly dues who is liable then?

Currently, car manufacturers are legally required to produce spare parts for cars for 10 years I believe. Just apply the same logic to the software.

Skelbagz True, by having cars still functioning after 30 years of purchase, the manufacturer gets a lot more credibility providing the incentive.

Well the issue here is what happens when you stop maintaining it...

Ah, do you work on manufacturing machines and such? My husband works a lot with that kind of software. I can see how that hardware + software would need to last 30 years.

+Donald Hobson Exactly my thought. Better to have a small exchangable part that can be kept up to date.

Modular production is great, but without really careful design you end up in a lot of trouble when the thing you need to replace is an interface: think how challenging it is to replace a motherboard compared to RAM but scale it up to the number of components in a vehicle. Further, production based corporations rarely want to create intercorporate standards that foster competition over loyalty and internationalization is literally an entire field of CS because legislators are terrible at working together (consider how much of a pain creating a national healthcare exchange was for the US).

Even todays cars tend to have issues with rusty pins on control units due to bad design. Think about. You never ever can savely keep out water, but You can ommit technical complexity and additional components.

that'll come after they know how to make computers do these tasks always and acurate, after come security and safety, and after that comes beta tests and then comes release. or so it should

You can hide the data in a tunnel, like how Tor works.

Know your enemy.

Or the Teenagers one

Secret Power: New Zealand's Role in the International Spy Network What an unexpected title..

He's clearly a teenager

There are lots of interesting books on that shelf! I spent half the video looking at the titles while listening to him speak. I even turned my laptop sideways :)

Programmers too. Problem solved.