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hits me so hard when im starting to JS

@@primostasis almost all js developers write code using frameworks and a bunch of libraries. But knowing vanilla js is necessarily because you won't be able to use frameworks, consequently, you won't be able to become a js developer) yes, there are jobs where you have to write code with vanilla js but I think it's a mess

@@pangutovskiy1659 your literally a programmer and you missed a bracket in a KZfaq comment

Most people like a lot of library chocolate in their vanilla.

You crushed my self-esteem 👍

lolz

@@bernardogalvao4448 - that’s sad - I read some good python articles on there

Sarcasm Level Infinity!!! As PHP programmer since '99 I like it!

Universities these days wouldnt let you graduate if your medium page has not covered at least 5 new techs that you dont understand.

That's how you own the code. Now they need you

I feel like thats more a senior strat than a junior one

@@AdroSlice yes it is and Kai Lentit learned it from an Udemy course

Joke’s on you junior, all of my code only I can fix

O - ownership

Don’t forget the type you are depends on the mood for the day. It’s a back and forth

There are a few who were around for the whole history of JS through web 1.0, JQuery, AJAX, XHR, to Angular, React, etc. and who try to stay up to date on all new stacks, frameworks and libraries, but they tend to get burnt out

@@ohmegatech666This was me kind of. After Angular in a large app, I realised I was pretty happy with direct DOM manipulation with a small library to implement components & event binding that’s automatically released. Maybe a little more work, but easier to maintain & reliably refactor as it is subject to type checking. I then eventually ported all of it to Dart. For the other devs, I’ve added a tool that automatically reads the Dart code into an HTML-like representation & then writes it back to Dart. Any changes that would break that code is caught because it’s just Dart.

please we need more hostility towards Juniors devs! They are getting job too easily

this is totally true, I'm both of them

Yep. His positivity and eagerness - DESTROYED

At least he's using JJQuery.

which one? There are 2 already, just like Javascript, it iterates

I did jiggle but why? Junior front end devs don't like Java? I thought they like it's simplicity.

@@theodorealenas3171 Can't handle verbosity and all the boilerplate. Life's too short to write Java.

@@ArchoSoma yup plus it's a curse if you're attached to some IDEs. But the junior dev?

@@ArchoSoma amen brotha

As a junior developer, can confirm

jees, the same for me. did you find it yet?

If it's not, there will be one tomorrow.

I actually Googled it. So many libraries, who knows...

Yes it's a thing apparently, it's jquery but for java

Is there an udemy tutorial for it?

I can also confirm that :D

Me two!

so is udemy bad ?

Me too 🤣🤣

@@castercs nah man. Udemy is great for learning the fundamentals of a technology. But that's the thing, it's only fundamentals, core concepts. You'll have to switch over to the docs to get a better understanding. Biggest difference between Junior and Senior is that the Senior RTFM

coffeescript?

@@yavuz425 I thought it was Java 😂😂.

@@yavuz425 java's logo xD

so you already have experience with 4 or more companies?

@@certaindeath7776 Dev wise, two companies

Anyone care to elaborate?

Why tho?

@@whatevsimbulletproof one reason I can think of is using libraries is like a trade off between faster coding experience and having code customizability, and you're kind of putting up a wall that restricts you to merely what the library can do. Also, when you realize that a library doesn't sufficiently provide what you actually require, now you'd have to break that aforementioned "wall" down and rebuild (i.e. rewrite) stuff by yourself which obviously takes time and beats the purpose of using a library in the first place. Another thing I guess is that libraries tend to bring in more than what you need which in other words they bloat up your project and end up slowing things down, like a website would have to take more time to reach First Contentful Paint just to load JS. Now of course there are ways to mitigate this but when it comes to maximizing efficiency it still boils down to just being bloatful. P.S. do correct me where I am wrong tho if anyone is more knowledgeable than I am on this

Also a couple months down the line you try to update dependency X only to realize that the original maintainer has quit software and is doing a backpacking trip around europe. Reading through 100 open issues you find that some people have created "X-light" which has an API that's compatible with that of X, ..almost, and it implements 80% of it's features except the non-trivial ones which you needed the library for in the first place. So you look a day or 5 for suitable replacements until the realization hits you that you've baked X into your application so hard that it's going to take you a week to dissect it out of your codebase and replace it with anything really. aaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

So dont use react?

Aren't they? They copy each other on purpose.

@@mryodak The hard part isn't learning the language but the ecosystem :)

Anybody who thinks that, go look up “Structure And Interpretation Of Computer Programs”. It’s an MIT undergrad course. If you manage to pass it, you might learn something about programming languages.

he's kinda right tho

But on a curious note, is it bad for js devs to use libraries, i mean... They are solving a problem i would take time out to write on my own.

@@Allyourneedsmet Well, yes, I agree sortof. but... Think about youtube for example. They do video. Do you think youtube uses gstreamer or other libraries to handle their video? Nope. They own their technology. They wrote it. Why? Libraries exist that might "solve their problem." Always own your stack, and own as much of your technology as possible. There are tons of good reasons for this. This happens in other engineering disciplines all the time. The folks who built the Empire State Building also built most of the tools like gantries and cranes that they used. They built a small-gauge railway system on every floor for parts delivery. And they built the building in record time.

@@Jeff-kf7om oof, that is not at all how you get a viable product in under ten years.

@@martinn.6082 That's really just a statement, not an argument. People are free to hire "Kai Lentit" to build their viable products quickly.

@@Jeff-kf7om Would you seriously build a video player from the ground up instead of using a free, tested, open source library? Why? Your code will never be as good and you just wasted at least a month of dev resources on something somebody else already did better than you could. While we're at it, why not implement HTTP requests ourselves? Or HTTP itself? Why not write our own protocols? There's a reason developers are more productive than carpenters, and it's that we can reuse code that is proven to work. You know the science mantra "on the shoulders of giants"? Imagine if every scientist had to start over and prove Pythagoras' theorem instead of jumping into manifold theory right away. Humanity would not progress at all. Software development is similar, in my opinion.

damn, this is brilliant!

And this is allright, no real pay, no real work.

I remember being stuck in tutorial hell on Udemy for so long!

@@tijldeclerck7772 It's so nice when you just RTFM :D

I even check if there is JJquery, there is not

@@quebono100 soooo you know what has to be done

@@quebono100 I'm not a UI dev so I had to look that up too

@@quebono100 there is, its jquery for java

@@naisone BS

I have seen maybe just one job offer of JS not requiring any library.

@@michallasan3695 The what was probably the best job out of the jungle.

@@_nimrod92 They also wrote that they paid well, it seemed suspicious to me. They wrote they belonged to Fortune 500 or what.

@@michallasan3695 Now it seems like they asked if you know the framework do you know “VaNiLaL jS” lol

Most web dev jobs that I've seen do require at least some library knowledge, or Wordpress. If you're trying to get a general job, you'll have to have at least a passing knowledge of the general tools. If you're trying to get a specialized job, you just have to learn the tools for that job. One of my friends loves and focused in on backend and got a job as a backend dev. I focused on vanilla scripting and performance optimization and ended up becoming a game programmer. Previous to this, we both tried learning general tools together (Angular, React, Vue, etc), and we both hated them- neither of us ended up with much package knowledge. And that ended up not mattering at all for either of us, because our specializations are what ultimately helped us transition into our jobs. If you establish what kind of job you want, you'll be able to backtrack and figure out how to get there. (maybe this is weird to say here, but feel free to message me as well if you want to talk more about it)

yeah for real, a good tutorial made by a professional is better than many outdated uni courses, imo lectures are one of the worst ways of teaching out there and the best thing i got out of my studies... was my diploma xd

Yeah, i use Udemy too.

not question of using it, but extracting relevant information. University is supposed to give you fundamental basis that go cross technologies. Very few can also achieve technological relevancy and some of them avoid it because you may miss key points that old technologies expose better. After a good CS degree, you can learn a new technology within a day or 3. That is the difference. Spending 3 to 4 years to be able to learn stuff in 1 to 3 days after that.

@@salsichalivre5401 I feel like i didn’t gain much from my cs degree. To prepare for learning new languages, I’d rather have practised by learning some current language than disassociate to some waffle about finite state automata. Sure I could have talked to lecturers about stuff but I was too anxious and smelly to talk to them at the time. Software engineering degrees are probably better. Computer science is if you think you might become a researcher, which is very niche.

Well of course, why not ... Or does university teach you everything about every technology and even the future ones? 😅

I think what juniors mean when they say that is that all programming fundamentals are the same in every language

@@BusinessWolf1 Even this is not true. Java fundamentals are not C fundamentals.

@@hitthemill8595 Ummm… They’re pretty close. Try Prolog or APL…

@@hitthemill8595 it really is kinda true though

@@Jonas-Seiler I mean of course they have something in common, but that doesn't mean they are the same, I dare any junior JavaScript developer to write in APL.

"The hardest part about JavaScript is Git." 🤣 Pure gold.

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He's making fun of jQuery , like saying gg query since nobody uses that library anymore

"front end development" != comp sci.. nothing to do with "not teaching up to date skills"

@@paulszabo8222 Fair point, but that's not what I intended my comment to say. The departments produced computer scientists, the industry wanted front-end developers. That's what I meant, no insult intended.