Introducing The RetroTINK 4K

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With the RetroTINK 4K coming out of an almost year-long private beta and now being publicly tested by some of the best people in retro, I felt it was time to do a proper introduction video. I tried to concentrate on things I felt I could add to the conversation, while also promoting upcoming videos from Digital Foundry, My Life In Gaming, GameSack and Wobbling Pixels. Please consider supporting if you liked what you saw: www.retrorgb.com/support.html
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00:00 Opening
00:43 Intro
01:34 Alternatives
05:09 Hardware
06:36 Profiles
10:31 CRT Emulation
13:24 HDMI Input
16:03 Arcade
16:40 120Hz BFI
20:49 Lag Testing
24:08 Dislikes
26:33 Conclusion

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@Ree1981 9 ай бұрын

Rama's (3:58) profile image caught me off-guard. It's from a lesser known masterpiece anime called Fantastic Children. Class.

@RideRedRacer 9 ай бұрын

im so happy people are still designing stuff like this. keeping retro alive!

@oneaboveallferrarifan2725 6 ай бұрын

I want to buy one

@nathanrussell2158 10 ай бұрын

Appreciate all that you do Bob.

@ONESE7ENTEEN 10 ай бұрын

This is what I've been waiting for. With old hardware reaching increasingly absurd costs, this device with its CRT masks is the final piece of the puzzle I needed for my retro gaming renaissance to be complete. What a time to be alive.

@TheSamp00 10 ай бұрын

Now we only need 4:3 aspect ratio oled display

@LucaMolteni84 6 ай бұрын

@@TheSamp00it’s quite easy to take a 32” OLED and hide the borders inside if it bothers you

@explosivehotdogs 2 ай бұрын

Out with the new, in with the old !

@sinchobe_ 10 ай бұрын

man the 4k CRT filters really got me thinking! Thanks Bob and Mike

@bowi1332 10 ай бұрын

I can't wait to see more coverage about PS3/Xbox360 and previous 3D consoles.

@SnakebitSTI 10 ай бұрын

They're getting to be that age. Best to pickup any games you want now, IMO. I wonder if the PS TV will wind up a cult classic or not.

@koalakoa 10 ай бұрын

I am overwhelmingly happy to hear that Mike had the RT4K tested with arcade boards! This makes me so excited. IM JACKED GUYS JACKED TO THE...

@quantumfx2677 10 ай бұрын

Yes, happy to see these get developed and tested with arcade boards! I would like to see it in action with one! If we can save arcades and get an authentic look from flats it will be worth it.

@clarkegibson464 10 ай бұрын

I have to watch this in small chunks. If I watch the whole thing I'll buy one. I don't need one! But man is it cool!

@3Dant 10 ай бұрын

@@HeroicRecaps tinks

@jikosauce 10 ай бұрын

Nice, i want to make arcades so ill get this if it helps

@justsayin4632 6 ай бұрын

Well?! Don’t keep us in suspense! Jacked to the WHAT?

@CollinKenny 10 ай бұрын

I've missed videos like this Bob; thank you so much!

@JimWood28 10 ай бұрын

Thanks Bob. Very helpful (as always). Looking forward to this other than the UK price hit!

@sandplasma 10 ай бұрын

I remember the days when everyone and their mom wanted the Frameister RGB but everyone also thought $700 was crazy expensive. We got cheaper options and now it feels like we've come full circle. Back to near $1,000 prices.

@christophervanzetta 7 ай бұрын

Emulators are free. Anyone buying this junk deserves to be robbed 😂

@NicEeEe843 7 ай бұрын

@@christophervanzettasome people love using original hardware?

@Alvarez1437 7 ай бұрын

Shouldnt mean we should be robbed

@MrLops914 7 ай бұрын

@@Alvarez1437ROBBING implies you were forcefully handing over your money. You don’t have to buy it.

@mpholicx2 7 ай бұрын

@@MrLops914and if you quit paying these outrageous prices they might release a product priced more reasonably.

@PUDINHED 10 ай бұрын

Thank you for this! I've always *wanted* to like CRT filters, and this may get me there.

@flink1231 10 ай бұрын

We are at an incredible time with so much choice and quality!

@djbawb 10 ай бұрын

Over the moon with the work put into the RT4K. Incredible work Mike, Bob, and those who contributed. What a monster of a machine

@AlenVids 10 ай бұрын

Great comprehensive video, as someone that isn’t into retro gaming I love watching your videos and keeping up to date with new hardware.

@danmons7446 10 ай бұрын

I'm excited for this on so many levels. Not just video game stuff, but I work with a tonne of digital preservation and AV preservation groups who will go nuts for this.

@djm9937 10 ай бұрын

Thanks Bob. I love the enthusiasm for what appears to be another great project from the great man. Whilst I could never afford to have such an amazing piece of kit, it's great to hear about the product and to see what it can do. Many thanks :)

@Hijackthepants 10 ай бұрын

Great video - thanks for chatting me up at rwx. I got a 2x and a 5x that I use for my retro gaming tournaments and home use. I can’t wait to add this to my collection.

@RetroRGB 10 ай бұрын

Was awesome meeting you. And thanks!

@Daniel-it1dp 10 ай бұрын

Great introduction and looking forward to supporting Mike again! I thought I’d be ok sticking with the RT5X but all these info dumps and actual examples have me sold on the RT4K.

@BBfanfun 10 ай бұрын

wow, vid looks so vibrant ! Congrats , Bob !

@MarshallFlores 10 ай бұрын

This is amazing work by Mike Chi! Can't wait to get it!

@jeff15 10 ай бұрын

Take my money !!!. Can't wait. Fantastic video. Thanks.

@Mauro0 10 ай бұрын

Holy moly. First time I see one of your videos and your content is so well put together, very professional, well explained. 10/10. Subscribed!

@RetroRGB 10 ай бұрын

Thank you! The weekly podcasts are all very laid back, podcast-style videos...but I try really hard to make the reviews as polished as this one.

@felipe_ossa 10 ай бұрын

Thanks Bob! Have fun at RWX!

@red_geist9741 10 ай бұрын

I cannot wait to get my hands on one!

@cvl2955 10 ай бұрын

MY BODY IS READY!

@ihsan_lol 10 ай бұрын

My wallet isn’t!

@suhericoba911 10 ай бұрын

I need more boolet sir

@danlah1303 10 ай бұрын

Incredible, I can’t wait!

@TheBbrian100 10 ай бұрын

this is really interesting and it looks like a fantastic product

@PersonaSama 10 ай бұрын

Incredible! Thanks for the video, Bob! And bless Mike for this incredible machine! We are truly living in the future 😎

@mpholicx2 7 ай бұрын

No, you're not living in the future you're living in the past and paying a premium to do so.

@backlogbusters 10 ай бұрын

So pumped for the amount of inputs that the 4K accepts! Even things like hdmi in that I didn’t even know I wanted until it was shown! Thanks for such a detailed breakdown!

@SnakebitSTI 10 ай бұрын

If nothing else, HDMI input could be nice for the PS3, later 360 models, and the PS TV.

@twistedspine7300 10 ай бұрын

@@SnakebitSTI i think the best console for the hdmi input just might be the wii u since a softmodded wii u can play wii u, wii, and gamecube games

@backlogbusters 10 ай бұрын

@@SnakebitSTI oh yeah I’ve been playing a lot of ps3 360 recently and hadn’t even considered how good those could look properly scaled to 4K!!

@jaxh4x 8 ай бұрын

I’d love to get ahold of this. My 5x has been great but having everything go directly to 4k just makes this the final solution.

@TORQUENDB 10 ай бұрын

RT4K is my Christmas gift to myself. 1 for my bedroom MiSTer and 1 for my retro gaming room setup. And maybe 1 more for the theater room if the film projector BFI simulation is as good as it sounds.

@NinjaRed5000 10 ай бұрын

YEAH, I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS! God I can't wait for this to come out. Definitely getting myself this as a Christmas gift.

@EposVox 10 ай бұрын

so stoked

@adamwbc863 10 ай бұрын

This is real exciting stuff. Mike Chi you are the man!

@HindsightWithHustle 10 ай бұрын

I really wish I could afford it. It’ll take my retro content to the next level

@c0rpse1 10 ай бұрын

they said save 1000 dollars but know that it will be less. my guess is like 600

@hhectorlector 10 ай бұрын

Idk what your budget is, but I’m sure eBay will be full of RT5Xs when this comes out. My guess is they’ll go for between $200-225 since it’s $325 for a new one

@HindsightWithHustle 10 ай бұрын

@@hhectorlector i actually have a Retrotink 5X already but I really want the 4K version

@riddleiddle 10 ай бұрын

The hard part for me is I'd have to buy a new TV or monitor to utilize it fully, and that would cost more than the unit itself :p

@ehsanghazavi470 10 ай бұрын

Why would you get this when you already have a 5x? The difference is negligible @@HindsightWithHustle

@YeaNaYea 10 ай бұрын

Oh boy its been a long wait for the Tink 4k but well worth it

@fink32 10 ай бұрын

I’m ready for it Bob! Can’t wait to give Mike my money. Please Mike take my money!

@AntneeUK 10 ай бұрын

Excellent video. John's tweets had already got my interest, but I think this video just guaranteed Mike an extra sale

@NoonDragoon 10 ай бұрын

I've had my eyes on the 5X for a while, but hearing about the 4K option changes the game for me. I still play on my WiiU and PS3 often enough to keep them plugged in, so having a scaler with HDMI input as well is awesome! Really looking forward to a full release.

@RandomGreenFishPhone 10 ай бұрын

I just got the 5x pro a few weeks ago to upgrade my 2x I had and was really impressed with the improvement in quality and functionality. Mike Chi makes some awesome devices! I was a little bummed out that my OLED doesn't support the 1440p output mode though, but the 1080p is still awesome. I love the scanlines and CRT filters in the 5x and can't wait to see what the 4k can do.

@andrewskaterrr 10 ай бұрын

Which OLED do you have?

@RandomGreenFishPhone 10 ай бұрын

@@andrewskaterrr I have an LG OLED I got around 2018, the 55 C7P

@thefifthdoctor6780 9 ай бұрын

@@RandomGreenFishPhoneSame 😎

@mafitron 7 ай бұрын

@@RandomGreenFishPhoneuse a 2K EDID

@AyeYoYoYooo 10 ай бұрын

Congrats to Mike for another spectacular offering that sets the bar yet again ! BFI is incredibly interesting. BlurBusters are doing God’s work ! Thanks to Mike & Mark. Question: When in FrameLock mode, on 480p HDMI input …. What is the lowest input lag possible, to the hundredth of a millisecond, when minimal anti-aliasing/jaggie-smoothing algorithms are enabled, during the trip upward from 480p/60 up to 4k/60 ?

@explosivehotdogs 2 ай бұрын

Wow, we've come a long way since playing ROMs using SNES9x on a 1st gen LCD monitor... back then the 'best' I recall being the interpolation filter.

@5T0Px 10 ай бұрын

Wow very informative video. I learn a lot

@Pask___ 10 ай бұрын

Now this is gunna be fun!

@skandashiva1805 7 ай бұрын

Great video!

@GrayHairedGamer 10 ай бұрын

The Game Sack clip you used killed me. Love Joe's sense of humor! Thanks for this great overview... you're right -- I don't need it, but I want it. 😅

@alistairblaire6001 10 ай бұрын

This is definitely the best way to play X360/PS3, or really anything with 720/1080p on a modern 4k TV. I hope Mike keeps these in production for awhile because I'll probably get one but not for another year

@SergioQuiroz9 10 ай бұрын

Loving this

@Patrick-tw7nr 10 ай бұрын

I will be getting this to play my Dreamcast and GameCube games on my 77C1

@BladeBlur 6 ай бұрын

Thanks for showing the Mister's direct video! I didn't even know that was a thing I until I rewatched the video! Shame that not all cores work with it. I didn't expect Amiga games to work due to PAL signals, but the Mega Drive family of consoles not working with Direct Video was an unpleasant surprise.

@RetroRGB 6 ай бұрын

The Mega Drive's all work with the RT4K and Direct Video - It's how I play them :) If you're using a RT4K, just make sure you're on the latest firmware.

@olimphus26 10 ай бұрын

Damn this is the be all end all device, can’t wait!

@Aberusugi 10 ай бұрын

Great vid Bob!

@kennylauderdale_en 10 ай бұрын

I work with Radio Frequency Coax a lot for the purpose of editing, Is there a way to plug the 8 pronged RF cable of death into this? I want my NES grey box to look EXTRA crispy. (not a joke, I like the look)

@RetroRGB 10 ай бұрын

There's a bunch of boxes that convert RF to Composite, ranging from a VCR to boxes from Extron and Sony. I actually planned on showing that in this video, just for fun, but ran out of time.

@autorock5431 10 ай бұрын

Hell yeah, love my 5x pro but I need this.

@mmpsp693 10 ай бұрын

The BFI and pull-down is great, I imagine high end home cinema to adopt the 4k

@OhluhKayTall 10 ай бұрын

13:11 this right here. Insane. It makes the CG mario kary renders look like theyre a generation ahead. Might have to get this after all

@user-ik8vy1rg8f 7 ай бұрын

That intro for your brand was great!

@RetroRGB 7 ай бұрын

Thank you!

@gambinogambino768 10 ай бұрын

I’m excited for this

@volkte37 10 ай бұрын

Great video, love the shared efforts here with the other channels too. Real community.

@mjc0961 10 ай бұрын

I can't wait to get my hands on that HDMI input.

@KondoAeros 9 ай бұрын

Started with the OSSC, now I have much more disposable income, I am definitely buying this!

@drsPascalsArchive 10 ай бұрын

I've set up all my old consoles years ago for RGB SCART and a CRT and right now it's my preferred way of playing older consoles. I use an OSSC as well and while it gets the job done It's not perfect. Being able to scale just about anything up to 4K lwith minimal lag and without artifacts or bad filters is really amazing, this will even be great for 720p PS3/360 era games. Never been a fan of "fake" scanlines but this looks really impressive. It only needs to be more affordable but I'm sure that will happen some day.

@surfacing3579 7 ай бұрын

Maybe one day, but the FPGA that powers this thing is several hundred dollars by itself so I wouldn't count on it getting much cheaper for a long time

@kenh6096 10 ай бұрын

Great video thank you :)

@mamaharumi 10 ай бұрын

Very cool, and I do in fact love the CRT filters.

@mamaharumi 10 ай бұрын

Though, retrotink always makes me wish a box like this existed for the opposite (digital-to-analogue) so I could use hdmi/dp on my CRT TV's easily.

@RetroRGB 10 ай бұрын

You can downscale for use with a CRT with this too :) Same with the RT5x and the GBS-Control

@Dimian7 10 ай бұрын

You got a new sub, thanks bro ❤️ Stay digital

@JTAI2 10 ай бұрын

verry cool video, would love to see an AA thing added to the tink4k.

@TheDailyMemesShow 10 ай бұрын

I had to shamelessly get subscribed to your channel - this presentation took out that geeky old me from wherever he was hiding in there😂 Whoever your name is, congratulations for your enthusiasm and commitment to those things that you love.

@TheDailyMemesShow 10 ай бұрын

I don't like CRT emulation, though. Nothing like the real thing...

@turbinegraphics16 10 ай бұрын

I'm glad people can now experience retro games closer to what they are designed to look like. For a long time people said it wasn't possible, its been almost 20 years since lcd's got popular so its surprising it took this long. I remember when people said 3 frames of lag wasn't a big deal.

@FishamanP 10 ай бұрын

LCDs still won't be able to recreate the CRT experience well even with the RT4K. You'll need an OLED for that.

@zeroa69 10 ай бұрын

Thats why i play 16bit and older predominantly on my phone vs my rig etc, snes and genesis are my favorite retro era that i grew up with. Cant stand the lag on games like mario, Fzero and star fox.

@awii.neocities 9 ай бұрын

I dislike the "designed to look like" thing. Because it's up for debate whether those games were meant to look crystal clear, as all the testing would have been done on a CRT.

@Mishkobt 9 ай бұрын

@@awii.neocitiesDevelopers 100% designed the games around what they look like on a consumer crt. I don’t really understand the argument that they weren’t

@awii.neocities 9 ай бұрын

@@Mishkobt I assume the argument is that the developers may have had access to LCD screens when creating their game, but I still don't understand either.

@dansatz9450 10 ай бұрын

man your intro is so awesome!

@RetroRGB 10 ай бұрын

Thanks so much! That's a song I wrote for a previous band - I had it turned into chiptunes, then my friend Kenji made that video for me.

@paulpatrick885 10 ай бұрын

This looks like it will be a great product for sure if you have deep enough pockets to afford it. I currently have an XRGB Framemeister Mini which my PS2 is hooked up through but the 4k upscaling on this looks like it will be a game changer.

@PyronsLair 10 ай бұрын

Fuck Bob, awesome vídeo as always. Like you said, this thing is so awesome thats you want to have one of these. Thank you for your time on this video 👍

@AleksLazar 10 ай бұрын

Good stuff

@Davitron_87 10 ай бұрын

And here I am still using my Framemeister. I might finally have a meaningful upgrade to look forward to.

@ZilogandMoto 10 ай бұрын

Cannot WAIT for this. I love my Tink 5X. Anyone want to buy my old Framemeister?

@astraquilastra 10 ай бұрын

Nice 🎉

@Konuvis 10 ай бұрын

Thanks for the great overview. I don't really use a 4k tv aside from streaming. My projector is 1080p and most of my retro gaming happens on my 720p plasma 😅

@KyleBTech 10 ай бұрын

The per core settings for Mister would be awesome. If the Tink 4k doesn't have network access, it could be possible if it has some kind of command line interface via USB. Someone could theoretically create a tiny web service that can control the tink (maybe pico w?), so the Mister could announce what it's launching (either a web request to the tink or a broker in the middle) and launch the correct profile.

@SnakebitSTI 10 ай бұрын

From an implementation standpoint, I imagine it would be easier to code MISTer cores to display a test pattern at startup for the scaler to lock on to.

@samza9622 7 ай бұрын

"Oh this is expensive"! These same people have no problem paying nearly 2000 dollars for an iphone.

@RetroRGB 7 ай бұрын

LMFAO...I didn't even think of that! Excellent point. And look, it IS expensive. And it's totally okay if people think it's out of their budget. I only get annoyed at the people who come here accusing Mike of "ripping people off" because he decided to make a high end product, as well as entry-level. ...and I'm totally stealing your "expensive cellphone" comparison :)

@whiteflamehariel 3 ай бұрын

Only difference is that typically you don't pay in full for phones. The cost is dispersed throughout 2 years on your cellphone bill and people don't usually realize that or find it easier to deal with. Yes, you could put the cost of the rt4k on a credit card and say what's the difference but the cost of the phone via billing on your cell bill isn't charged interest either and will 100% be paid off eventually make the same payments for 2 years. You also typically have the option to trade it in and upgrade after half (1 year) of it is paid for. Not disagreeing with the point, it's just not a complete end to end comparison and I have a rt4k now (thankfully) and is sooooo worth it. I've been dying for this solution as I have an ossc and just, didn't feel like it was enough for how I wanted to use my unmodded consoles and was fearing that I basically was going to need to mod a lot of my consoles to get anything worthwhile when trying to capture or just play on my c9.

@_BELMONT_ 10 ай бұрын

ITS TIME!

@MP-uk1yc 10 ай бұрын

I am so happy to see this device and really can't wait for the full release to see final price and what it can be pushed to do. Have to ask though, what is the chance a v2 will be released with HDMI 2.1 at some point in future? yes it will be more money, but if we are already putting our hand in our pocket to pay close to $1000, not many of us will complain about an extra $50/$100/$150 to have the latest HDMI standard and potentially have more 4k modes opened up as well.

@RetroRGB 10 ай бұрын

I asked Mike the same question. It would raise the price so high, that it's not even worth it. So my guess is it'll be *years* before we see one that can go as high as 8K60 / 4K120.

@JeskidoYT 10 ай бұрын

Finally a good bluray player for retro games!!

@shinichikudo282 10 ай бұрын

I hope the RetroTink 5x Pro will be on sale when the RetroTink 4K appears 🙏

@ArchLightning001 10 ай бұрын

I gotta say: RetroRgb looks like the kind of professor I'd love to take classes in

@SIPEROTH 10 ай бұрын

I hope he doesn't make me do a test though because i will fail hard. I hardly understood half of the things he was going on about here.

@linkzz00 10 ай бұрын

You've been waiting a while to hold that device up with pride!

@hhectorlector 10 ай бұрын

Very much looking forward to this scaler’s release. Based on the value of Mike’s other products-I believe him when he says he thinks we’ll be “pleasantly surprised” by the price

@rodjefdam 10 ай бұрын

Great video, one thing that i always though when i saw mike and others creating those upscalers, is that if would be possible to implement or create a box to implement FSR on the image to be used in 7th gen consoles, I think if it is possible would be incredible, but i understand that this is kind of not the scoped of these projects (that is why I made the sugestion of other device...).

@BlueEyedVibeChecker 10 ай бұрын

Finally VGA support. The stock 720 x 480P on Dreamcast looks sharper and better than composite/SVideo with the RetroTink 5X even on my 4K Samsung TV since SVideo and composite don't make use of the VGA resolution and it's a noticeable difference.

@BlueEyedVibeChecker 10 ай бұрын

(This is for PAL Dreamcast, NTSC uses 640 x 480P, not 720 x 480P)

@shrimp5093 10 ай бұрын

Might gift myself one at the end of the year :)

@philosophicalcubagem 10 ай бұрын

This is literally a dream come true gotta hope the price is good though

@cheekyphuzz_thegod8558 10 ай бұрын

I’ve been waiting for this video, and I remember Mike saying on his website to set aside around $1000 for this. I thought “I’ll just stick to my Tink 5X”, but dude, this is absolutely insane. Screw the rent, lol

@mpholicx2 7 ай бұрын

"Screw the rent" great philosophy to live by.

@gblargg 10 ай бұрын

13:09 Wow, that does justice to the original graphics.

@winsucker7755 10 ай бұрын

I am waiting with my upscaler purchase until this thing comes out. This is bonkers.

@wettuga2762 10 ай бұрын

It's everything I ever wanted! All In One with SCART, VGA, HMDi, 4K, actually good CRT filters, profiles, etc! Unfortunately the final price will most probably still be WAAAYYYY out of my league, unless I get lucky and buy one in 2nd hand down the road. Cheap used SONY CRTs will continue to do the heavy work for now.

@BNGamesYT 10 ай бұрын

Cant wait to record some direct capture Arcade games in 4k

@jamess.9743 10 ай бұрын

love it! gonna have to start saving up now tho. should i still keep my 5x ?

@chadwolf3840 10 ай бұрын

Mike Chi is a credit the retro community, what an amazing asset. I hope this thing kills it. I know I'm buying one. That CRT emulation blows me away.

@beebeedeluxe 10 ай бұрын

Waves at Mike and Bob 🍻

@nimrodlevy 10 ай бұрын

Who needs atmos when you have roland mt-32 😂 - just like always the awesomest review, as always!

@ericko777 10 ай бұрын

I already have 4k! OSSC + mClassic + 4k Gamer pro. With an hdmi switch, it supports hdmi as well. No lag and I love it. I bet this will be awesome too.

@jamescampbell8482 10 ай бұрын

It seems to me that when you get an LCD with 8k resolution, the emulated phosophor stripes will be the same size as the stripes on the macro of the D32 mask.