Witch functions the same way as a ban by not allowing consumers choice to install them just because there not directly stoping you doesn’t mean there not actively modifying your actions

I wish we did here!

It’s really not that complicated, honestly

Quick, what's the span between 15/64 and 13/16" (no calculators please), then try 6mm to 20mm.

@@snaplashexactly 😂 it’s baffling, the refusal to adopt a much simpler system 🤷‍♂️ we switched in Ireland, I switched during my career. It just made so much more sense because of the likes of what you said, we have both on most tape measures here, it wasn’t until I started looking at it that it made sense, maybe we need to make double sided tapes more available in merika, ?? Then common sense should prevail

At least in the machining world we go by decimal inches, so there isn't really much practical difference between metric and imperial.

From what I understand, Taytools is the "distributor" for Katz-Moses; that is, they hold all the inventory and do all the packaging and shipping. Or at least that's what I've been told.

@@cyberreefguru that would be "fulfillment" not "distribution." Regardless, the KM store had this for sale last year many months before TayTools was selling it (I was actually a bit surprised by this). Glad to see it available more places, though. It's a great dado set.

It is nice.

People love to debate semantics on subjects like these. If the government makes it very difficult or near impossible for most people to use something, it is effectively a ban. It's like those those chainsaw grinder wheels. A while back the UK made it illegal to sell them for use on an angle grinder. People argued that wasn't a "ban"- but that's merely semantics. If something is illegal to sell for its intended use, it is effectively banned for that use. Or, as with dado stacks- If government policy regarding spin-down time forces manufacturers to shorten the arbors, thereby making it difficult or impossible to use dado sets, then dado sets are banned in all but the strictest definition of the word. Yes, you could technically buy one if you want to hang it on the wall. But most new saws will not accept them. Owning an older or imported saw with a long arbor is merely finding a way around the law, it is not proof that the law doesn't exist. Bottom line is the EU/UK believes dado sets are dangerous and they have legislated them out of most workshops. It's a back-door ban.

@@StumpyNubsThe restrictions were in effect in industry. In a home workshop there is no restriction. Dado stacks have been easily available. Longer arbours have been available. This isn't a semantics debate. Dismissing the comment as such is disregarding the importance of factual content.

​@@StumpyNubs No, a ban would, by definition, make it somehow illegal or punishable by a fine or in the likes thereabout to sell these products. That is not the case. We have 230 V, 50 Hz, electrical grid here in europe, most of our appliances are constructed for that voltage/frequence and appliances for 110 volts/60Hz are a bit of a hassle to get by and requires adaptors, that does not in any way shape or form mean that they are banned. The same goes for dado blades. It takes some effort to use them, but they are not banned.

@@StumpyNubs - my exact point. The ‘government’ don’t do anything at all to ‘make it difficult’. I can buy a dado stack right now, online. Safety isn’t semantics - otherwise Sawstop wouldn’t be making a fortune off of their patents. Dewalt (for example) choose not to offer their contractor saws with the long arbour, not ‘the Government’. Several UK and a few ‘US’ imports (Chinese) models are also available for the home/DIY/Hobby market. No bans. No semantics.

@@mikeshaw9873 - Exactly. Interesting to hear from the US that the chain-type grinder attachments are also ‘illegal’. Again, I can buy one and have it delivered - or ask my colleague Colin to borrow his. 🤷‍♂️ Amazing how the US bods conflate safety regulations with ‘bans’.

Not being a member of the EU anymore makes no difference - dado blades are legal in the EU! The difficulty is that EU (and UK) law requires blades to stop spinning almost immediately once power is cut. This can be done easily via the motor for normal blades, but dado stacks are so heavy that the motor can’t stop them in time. Thus, manufacturers install small arbours so that they don’t need to implement the additional heavier breaking that would be required to comply with the law if their machines officially supported heavier blades. You can however find a few machines that support them, and you can indeed buy dado stack blades. They aren’t illegal.

@@Aethidthat’s exactly my understanding from when the company I ran had a small woodworking shop. I’m not sure how this new set up is thinner than the standard blade set up - or thin enough to fit upon that shorter arbour. I’ve got a 300mm Axminster table saw - it’s fine but no Felder or whatever. I can fit blades upto 6mm wide with the nut still fully on the arbour.

There are ways and means I'm the UK. In my personal workshop I have a stack I use on a DeWalt job site saw.

Which model dewalt

​@@Kosh42EFGthe 7485? Where can I get the dado stack from?

We'll get some as soon as we can, but there is not many in the US right now.

Also it looks like those may be 5/8” arbor size rather than the 30mm we have over here?

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Where did you find it with a 30mm arbor?

@@josephmarc6263 Scott & Sargent in the UK the CMT part number is: CMT 230 DADO PRO SAW BLADE SET D-203 B-6-20 D-30 think the last number is the bore 🎯

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I was wondering if someone would point this out. The EU did limit the length on the arbor, so this stack isn’t going to fit no mater how much safer it is and it still has the mass to overpower the break and spin for an extended time

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What I don't understand is the regulations in the UK means the blade must stop within 7 seconds so given the extra weight of a stacked dado blade surely that would affect the braking?. Or have I missed something?.

@@AdrianSams Whats not to understand ?? The longer a blade "free-wheels" the more chance of an accidental injury to someone picking up the cut pieces... it really is that simple...🙄

@@AdrianSams more heavy things need more energy to reach speed. But if they reached that speed they have a bigger potential energy and need more energy to be stopped again. So while heavier things should stop faster, they don't because they carry more energy to, in this case, spin as fast as lighter things. And more energy needs more time to stop

I use a wobbler here in the USA, for years without a problem. The groove is square enough for me, never a problem.

@@Rudy32225 Indeed. Smaller disk x groove width = worse square.

I have a 7" Craftsman wobbler dado that I have used for over 30 years and just love how it works on dressers, desks, cabinets, and move.@@Rudy32225

I was never a big fan of the wobble dados. To eah his own.

Well now you've given them the idea. Expect the dado police any day now ;-)

No to my knowlegde.

Someone should make a dado bot then we can all have fun 😂

Adam Savage had an extremely interesting video about the one that they did... crazy scary stuff.

I bought their 6mm groove blade. Almost as quick :)

No conditions to meet, if it fits and you're a hobbyist you can use one, at least in the UK

​@@alland1241 if the saw manufacturer does not allow the use of a certain blade types, that might get you into trouble with your health insurance if something happens. As long as nothing happens, as a private person, you can do whatever you want.

@@wernerviehhauser94 Once you buy something the manufacturer has NO say what so ever in what you do with it

@@alland1241 you did not actually read what I wrote, nor did you understand it. The manufacturer can set operational limits, and if you work outside these limits, you do this at your own risk. The manufacturer doesn't care, neither does anybody else outside of a commercial setting, unless there is damage to deal with - then insurance companies can (and will) refuse payment on terms of "Gross negligence" additionally.... just go ahead and tell me that Apple doesn't tell you what you can and can't do with your device..... you may have paid for it, but own it you do not.

The chiper teeth are locked to the outside blades and nevr get enought momentum to get moving and break off. CMT did 4 activations with a Sawstop and never had the chippers loose teeth. Good question.

I'm pretty sure this is the same set CMT sells as metric, just with different instructions on the paperwork. That said, I have yet to find any plywood that's ever consistent enough to just trust what it claims (even baltic birch varies by up to .5mm across the sizes/producers). I always have to resort to test cuts to ensure good matches. As for your other question … I've had this set for a few months but have only used it on solid wood. It performs ok for crosscuts (about the same as a general purpose combination blade) but I'd probably still want to strike a knife line or use masking tape to do a crosscut on thin-veneer plywood.

@@ex-nerd Thanks for the follow up information. Perhaps after you get some more time with this set we can get an update on your experiences with plywood. I would love the low price of this CMT but at the end of the day it’s all about performance and quality of cut.

"Mass". I was wondering about that. The blades and chippers have cutouts which would appear to reduce the mass though there is "more" of these new chippers so malt that's a wash, i.e. no real reductions in mass. Also, without electronic braking the blades will spin for much longer than 10 seconds. Alas, my table saw. a 10" Sears Craftsman, is over 40 years old and has no braking of any kind. Way too complex to add as an after-market feature. Though it would be interesting to try.

Sorry yhey do not. They should include this. I mention to CMT.

@@TaylorToolworks I noticed they make a version of this sold in Europe with a 30mm bore which includes a metric thickness guide. CMT's obvious idea that everyone in the USA works in inches is preposterous.

5he, huh. I see you’ve got an Apple product too.

I did not know that.

Sauter does, too. They just aren't common. One big reason is that, at least m8st of the shops I know in Germany, are not small (couldn't make enough money that way) and use dedicated tool like "Verstellnuter" (should translate to "groove cutter") or table routers (NOT router tables). A Dado stacks, to me, seems like a solution for a small shop with one or maybe two saws, and we simply don't have many of them here. I'd personally use the router table or my grooving plane (once I vet to fix it), since I would not trust my Scheppach saw to handle that amount of metal.

Dado blades have never been illegal in the EU.

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Maybe not but the teeth don't shear in the event of an abrupt stop. That's the biggest advantage.

I would think that the SawStop braking cartridge would still engage the dado blade's carbide teeth -- most likely the outer blades, but possibly the chipper blades too -- and if any teeth are damaged, that would render the dado blade unsafe/unusable until repair or replacement.

We'll have more soo. Put you name on the email sign up to be notified the second they are back in stocck.

@@TaylorToolworks Signed up right away and keep checking just in case but no luck. Not sure how long I can hold out 😅

We had an intro price that was very low with minimal margin for use and we did have to raise the price a bit. Sorry about that. They are still 20.00 moe on Amazon.

@@TaylorToolworks Thank you for your candor and prompt reply. I wonder what thickness would be supported on a Skil, red, 10" jobsite saw on a USA arbor?

There are few in the US right now. It may be a few weeks to months.

I dont know why would you ship italian made, readily available in eu blade from us

I was thinking about other products like the sharpening system. You are right: not the best video to comment on this

But most things you can find in europe albeit much more expensive (but it would be even more expensive to import)

You are right and the mass carries it throught the cut.

I must add this is all following the HSE regs and the PUWER regs for industry what people do in their shops is up to them.

I don't have 6, but I do have 3!

buy the right saw. or are you seriously complaining that Porsche wheels do not fit on a Lamborghini?

@@wernerviehhauser94 you must be replying to a different comment. how does buying the right saw come into the picture of the dado blade not being available on the EU market?

@@HolzMichel because they are available. Have been since decades. Just nobody wants to by them in Europe since there are better tools for the job. And there are not that many saws that can fit them. IIRC Felder sells some saws that can fit Dado stacks, and Sauter has been offering blades at least since 2011. Thing is, in the US, there are MUCH more small shops with just a handful of employees or even just a single person. They have one saw to do it all, therefore they use Dados. The capentry shops I know here are usually larger. They often have larger tools, and more of them. So they often have a dedicated table router (NOT a router table) or groove cutter (works like a Dado but uses dedicated router blades instead of saw blades). I guess you speak German, so look up "Verstellnuter". Some larger Formatkreissägen and Tischfräsen exist that can accept these cutters, but they are large and expensive. A Dado stack is, in Europe, a solution to a problem than only DIYers have. But that does not mean I would mount a Dado stack on my Scheppach. I would use my router table or make two cuts and remove the rest with a router - or even use a router plane.

@@HolzMichel second try since YT won't display my first answer. Felder sells saws that can accomodate grooving blades. Sauter sells Dado stacks since 2011. Look up "Verstellnuter". So if you have the right machine, there are grooving blades for it. They just aren't cheap, but they are better than Dado stacks. Personally, I'd use my router table for this job, since I would not trust my Scheppach saw to handle that amount of metal. And it's not Brussels. Dado stacks have been prohibited by the Berufsgenossenschaft. But only DIYers cared since professional shops often had a dedicated grooving machine anyways. But if you market is only cheapskate DIYers, would you put effort into marketing complex tools?