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Introduction to UL 508A Industrial Electrical Control Panels with PLC

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Tim Wilborne

Tim Wilborne

3 жыл бұрын

In this video we take an exciting look at UL 508A Industrial Control Panels including PLCs and HMIs.
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@LuisHernandez-pr9xv
@LuisHernandez-pr9xv 12 күн бұрын
Hi Tim! I would like to thank you for the excellent work you have done. About a month ago, I started studying for the UL MTR exam and came across your video. While I was studying for the test, I used your videos at the same time. I can tell you it was very helpful. I have been designing control panels for a while, and our company decided to build our panel. I don't know why this test and certification don't get more recognition. The test was difficult, even with my background in electrical engineering. So again, thank you. You have a new fan here. And yes, I passed the test. Lol
@TimWilborne
@TimWilborne 12 күн бұрын
That is great to hear! Congratulations!
@adampitt7052
@adampitt7052 3 жыл бұрын
This is what Ive been waiting for. Looking forward to this series.
@TimWilborne
@TimWilborne 3 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear it Adam
@brady0630
@brady0630 Жыл бұрын
you probably have the best presentation so far. good stuff. will be watching the entire series.
@TimWilborne
@TimWilborne Жыл бұрын
Glad to hear that, thanks!
@NeGRaDiCaLz
@NeGRaDiCaLz Жыл бұрын
I like that your disconnect handle will literally cover an inch of your HMI when you turn it on with the door closed.
@TimWilborne
@TimWilborne Жыл бұрын
That's all you got out of the video....😂
@JB-hq7vp
@JB-hq7vp 3 жыл бұрын
I work for Prime Controls in Dallas and really enjoy your videos!
@TimWilborne
@TimWilborne 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you like them Jeremy!
@CommercialGasEngineerVideos
@CommercialGasEngineerVideos 2 жыл бұрын
Many thanks from the UK.
@TimWilborne
@TimWilborne 2 жыл бұрын
You are welcome!
@taylor2160
@taylor2160 Жыл бұрын
I would like to question the spacing requirements for your components. UL got me with that on my first panel that got inspected. Typically a power supply, especially ones that convert 3 phase into 24vdc require at least about 1.5 inches above and below. It does not look like those requirements have been met. Love your videos man. Great content. Would love to ve able to bounce automation ideas back and forth.
@jomahank6314
@jomahank6314 2 жыл бұрын
great way of teatching thank you from Morocco.
@TimWilborne
@TimWilborne 2 жыл бұрын
You are welcome!
@hjp520
@hjp520 4 ай бұрын
Thanks from New Orleans!!
@TimWilborne
@TimWilborne 3 ай бұрын
You are welcome
@faschwank
@faschwank 7 ай бұрын
Nice job with the ferrules.
@TimWilborne
@TimWilborne 7 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@jasonryan2175
@jasonryan2175 3 жыл бұрын
love it! do more of these!!
@TimWilborne
@TimWilborne 3 жыл бұрын
We plan on it Jason!
@italyinmoto8494
@italyinmoto8494 Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much Tim! I just love watching yours video!
@TimWilborne
@TimWilborne Жыл бұрын
Glad to hear it!
@ThatNerdyCoolGuy
@ThatNerdyCoolGuy 2 жыл бұрын
Just wanted to let you know that I found your youtube channel from Linkedin and Jake Hall!
@TimWilborne
@TimWilborne 2 жыл бұрын
Love Jake Hall's videos!
@k50159
@k50159 3 ай бұрын
Much appreciated Tim
@TimWilborne
@TimWilborne 3 ай бұрын
You are welcome
@lokeshwar4093
@lokeshwar4093 3 жыл бұрын
wonderful, I liked your all playlist and save in library and subscribed before your promotional words :)
@TimWilborne
@TimWilborne 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome, thank you!
@aboshnb97
@aboshnb97 Жыл бұрын
Hi Tim, Thanks a lot for all the tutorial videos. I learned a lot by following your tutorials really appreciate that. Is there any video about calculating the total load of the whole control panel by going to each components? I'm trying to get that for my application in order to size a step down transformer and a safety disconnect switch. Thanks a lot!!!
@TimWilborne
@TimWilborne Жыл бұрын
This is one I have avoid because it's not as simple as adding up all the loads and multiplying that by safety factor, it depends on the types of loads, size, and locality.
@gurjantsingh6647
@gurjantsingh6647 3 жыл бұрын
Good video' I want to learn this tips.
@TimWilborne
@TimWilborne 3 жыл бұрын
Great, we'll be uploading more videos about this soon so subscribe.
@rixpanapasa8977
@rixpanapasa8977 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome vid Tim....Thanks
@TimWilborne
@TimWilborne 3 жыл бұрын
Put in your request for what you want to see in this series.
@rixpanapasa8977
@rixpanapasa8977 3 жыл бұрын
@@TimWilborne would really like to see how you size up and set up the electrical panel .
@dwaynes5983
@dwaynes5983 2 жыл бұрын
I always leave the space above disconnect open. Thought it was code back in 90s??
@joshkraai7657
@joshkraai7657 3 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy this video break down in easy terms to understand. I would like to see in one of your videos how and why you choose the panel lay out you did. Like which components can be next to one another and how you have to be careful about wiring crossing each other (high voltage/low voltage)
@TimWilborne
@TimWilborne 3 жыл бұрын
We're working on a panel layout video. It is a little tricky but hopefully we'll get the kinks worked out.
@christopherlyons7613
@christopherlyons7613 Жыл бұрын
​@@TimWilborneHI Tim. Have you made any progress on doing the Panel Layout video? That would be great information to show and it could help many of us. Thanks.
@bblee2150
@bblee2150 2 жыл бұрын
Nice video Tim! Can you talk about the wire color coding when building a panel? I can't find much information for the color coding for such as AC voltage, DC voltage and etc. Thank you!
@TimWilborne
@TimWilborne 2 жыл бұрын
I am going to soon but you won't like it. The only color that is required is green for grounded conductors :)
@isaacparry8686
@isaacparry8686 2 жыл бұрын
I watched the "hater" episode. I like how you were accused of selling yourself for AB when in reality most things you have in your videos is AD stuff. That's a testament to an untrained eye. Minus maybe the PLC! I'm pretty sure I even saw a DL05 in there somewhere. Personally I'd rather use the DoMore! in one of it's various form factors, or I hate to say it, a Micro800 of some sort for simple applications. (although you absolutely should hard code you're variables in those as they have a tendency to go brain dead for no reason!) The Click! isn't much more reliable, but it is cheaper. Both software's are free. (At least the non-developer edition for the AB) Anyway, I like you're series, you are a pioneer in the socialization of the field. WE NEED MORE CONTROLS GUYS, people don't understand how fun this stuff is! I almost want to keep it a secret, or everybody will want to do it!
@sanjaygurung7623
@sanjaygurung7623 Жыл бұрын
Hello, I don’t find wiring diagram on video description
@TimWilborne
@TimWilborne Жыл бұрын
You're right, we're revising our website and that link is missing. See if I can get it put back up.
@csdrip
@csdrip 3 жыл бұрын
Is there a list of labels that are required by UL for ICP's? For instance "to maintain overcurrent protection...."
@TimWilborne
@TimWilborne 3 жыл бұрын
Not in a broad sense. There are some labels every panel may require but many are specific for the situation.
@christopherlyons7613
@christopherlyons7613 Жыл бұрын
Hi Tim. Thanks for your videos. I have a question about UL508 wire colors. Can you please provide some basic info on recommended AC & DC wire color guidelines. Also, what format do you use for your wire numbers? Thanks.
@TimWilborne
@TimWilborne Жыл бұрын
I have a video on wire colors in my drafts. Many people don't like my answer but according to UL 508A for industrial control panels which is what 99% of labels are, you only need to mark grounds as green. The rest is regional and even varies across the USA. I'll have some examples in it. Here are some sample wiring diagrams, the wire numbers are based on the page and line number. controls.tw/sample-drawings
@christopherlyons7613
@christopherlyons7613 Жыл бұрын
@@TimWilborne Thanks. Doesn't UL508A make some statements about wire colors (i.e.66.5 (Power) & 66.9.1 (Control Circuits) (not sure if these are current section #s)? I believe they state that all ungrounded AC power connections should be BLACK (RED if < supply voltage) and all grounded AC connections should be GREY or WHITE. For DC control circuits they say to use BLUE for all ungrounded DC connections and WHITE WITH BLUE STRIPE for grounded DC connections. I realize there is some openness in the spec regarding these colors. But if you were to follow this basic color scheme would that be sufficient? Are there any other basic colors that you tend to use? Regarding your upcoming Wire Color video, any idea when it will be released? Looking for a beta tester? Appreciate any help you can provide. Thanks.
@TimWilborne
@TimWilborne Жыл бұрын
@@christopherlyons7613 ​ No, this is the most commonly misused sections. 65, 66, and 67 are for Industrial Machinery, not industrial control panels. Industrial Machinery labels are very rarely used, in fact I've never seen one.
@rameshnatarajan5746
@rameshnatarajan5746 2 жыл бұрын
I have main ac panel ,ac distribution junction box.in ac panel we have main mccb(earth protection) for on-off, Ac distribution Power cable taken from Ac panel main circuit breaker control. Is this needed any separate mccb for ac distributions box .(in ac distribution box we have 30 MCB,30ssr,two controller).
@TimWilborne
@TimWilborne 2 жыл бұрын
Yes there is more needed, you need to dig into the NEC book.
@rameshnatarajan5746
@rameshnatarajan5746 2 жыл бұрын
@@TimWilborne Thanks for your response.Could you please share authentic links for NEC ,UL508A. Suggest any course are there for ul508a .
@danielsowa8209
@danielsowa8209 3 жыл бұрын
I don't see the wiring diagram, I'm still a nube and I like following those for practice. I love this channel though!
@TimWilborne
@TimWilborne 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Daniel, they are at the link below. twcontrols.com/lessons/introduction-to-electrical-control-panels-including-plcs-and-hmis
@danielsowa8209
@danielsowa8209 3 жыл бұрын
@@TimWilborne Hey, you actually answered! Well I enjoy your videos so I signed up for the first tier of Patreon. Keep up the good work! Thanks for the link too.
@TimWilborne
@TimWilborne 3 жыл бұрын
@@danielsowa8209 Thank you for your support!
@steveestey
@steveestey 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Tim, great series! I noticed one thing in particular that surprised me, you don't label your panel components, why is that? Also I live in Canada and this may just be a difference in code requirements but I also noticed no fuse charts on the door, are you guys not required?
@TimWilborne
@TimWilborne 2 жыл бұрын
Our UL standards are the same. As far as labeling, it can be done by the component, on the door in a panel layout such as you mention, or on a drawing. This is one of our training panels so it get reconfigured often, hence not permanent labels.
@MyRefriedBeans18
@MyRefriedBeans18 2 ай бұрын
I don't see a grounding lug for the incoming power.
@TimWilborne
@TimWilborne 2 ай бұрын
It's the green thing 🙄 Did you have a question about it?
@rcandrew8780
@rcandrew8780 Жыл бұрын
Hi Tim,great videos..i really like that disconnect switch what brand and or PN is it?
@TimWilborne
@TimWilborne Жыл бұрын
It is a Noark.
@rcandrew8780
@rcandrew8780 Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@leandrodortaduque3392
@leandrodortaduque3392 3 жыл бұрын
What kind of license/permit/certification do I need to do this kind of job and being certified by UL?
@TimWilborne
@TimWilborne 3 жыл бұрын
For UL, it is UL508A
@trevorthobe8528
@trevorthobe8528 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Tim! Have you done any videos yet going over how to calculate SCCR?
@TimWilborne
@TimWilborne 2 жыл бұрын
It is up for the next group of control panel videos.
@vidzbelikewoah
@vidzbelikewoah 10 ай бұрын
Good afternoon, I’m about to start classes to be a ul 508a Mtr. Do have any advice and recommendations of books I should have? Thanknyou
@TimWilborne
@TimWilborne 10 ай бұрын
Do UL's practice exams. They cover everything you need to pass.
@vidzbelikewoah
@vidzbelikewoah 10 ай бұрын
@@TimWilborne thank you
@TimWilborne
@TimWilborne 10 ай бұрын
Good luck. Definitely don't go into the test blind. It was difficult
@vidzbelikewoah
@vidzbelikewoah 10 ай бұрын
Good afternoon, do you know how I can find the practice exam? I’ve looked on ul website and couldn’t find anything on an practice exam for ul508a
@Bosanac_99
@Bosanac_99 Жыл бұрын
Would products certified only to the UL508a standard be accepted in Canada?
@TimWilborne
@TimWilborne Жыл бұрын
There is a Canadian marking for UL 508A. It has a C on the left side of the UL and a US on the right side.
@Bosanac_99
@Bosanac_99 Жыл бұрын
@@TimWilborne OK, one more question, please. Would cUL508 certified products be accepted by CSA standards in Canada?
@EETechs
@EETechs 2 жыл бұрын
Can you use MTW 16 or 18 AWG wire inside control panels for the control wiring to save on money for wire as long as the proper fuse size is chosen? I read somewhere that UL508a says only 20 AWG or smaller wire has special requirements limited to PLC connections only.
@TimWilborne
@TimWilborne 2 жыл бұрын
UL says "power wiring" must be 14awg, with a few exceptions, they don't specify control wire size.
@uisignorant
@uisignorant 19 күн бұрын
Did you actually run AC and DC in the same duct?
@TimWilborne
@TimWilborne 19 күн бұрын
Yep....
@fiifinenyi2156
@fiifinenyi2156 2 жыл бұрын
please am from Ghana how can I buy a micrologic 1100 or 1000. I have been searching since in my area but can't find one
@TimWilborne
@TimWilborne 2 жыл бұрын
The first question is what PLC is popular in your area.
@fiifinenyi2156
@fiifinenyi2156 2 жыл бұрын
@@TimWilborne so far in all the company's I worked as an intern they don't use one brand, I have seen Mitsubishi, Siemens, Omron and in my school they use Allen Bradley
@indian.techsupport
@indian.techsupport Ай бұрын
Din is an acronym which translates to "german industrial norm" which is basically the german iso. There many more din norms than just those rails.
@TimWilborne
@TimWilborne Ай бұрын
Yep, here is a video on DIN rail. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bbelfLd60syooZc.html
@coasterbp
@coasterbp 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Tim, Do you through bolt your components to your back plane or drill and tap?
@TimWilborne
@TimWilborne 3 жыл бұрын
I'm 99% sure code doesn't allow through bolting components. And if code doesn't prohibit it then it should. I always drill and tap. If the diameter is too large for the thickness of the panel then they make volts that can be riveted into the panel.
@jhoon6227
@jhoon6227 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, I dont see schematics in description to download. Is it removed?
@TimWilborne
@TimWilborne 2 жыл бұрын
No, we're moving some links around right now trying to consolidate items, here you go. twcontrols.com/lessons/standard-electrical-control-panel-and-plc-trainer-drawings
@kevinburt3075
@kevinburt3075 3 жыл бұрын
How do you make the label for the outside of the panel is this special software ?
@TimWilborne
@TimWilborne 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Kevin. I use a Brady BMP71 for all my labeling. See links below. BMP71 amzn.to/3cqs3FN Nameplate labels amzn.to/3oAsDD9
@kevinburt3075
@kevinburt3075 3 жыл бұрын
@@TimWilborne thank you
@langlymcmanus1194
@langlymcmanus1194 3 жыл бұрын
Where's your overcurrent protection (fuses)????
@TimWilborne
@TimWilborne 3 жыл бұрын
Uh did you watch the video? There in it...
@langlymcmanus1194
@langlymcmanus1194 3 жыл бұрын
I'll answer myself = 15A main CB so motors are group protected. The LVPS must be a self protected type?
@langlymcmanus1194
@langlymcmanus1194 3 жыл бұрын
@@TimWilborne I don't see any fuses, nothing rated 5kA but I may be blind. Is there a link to the electrical schematic? Might be a good idea? UL508A requires that the main switch (CB) be able to be switched with door open, I don’t see a handle that allows that? Anyway I subscribed and will check out some other video's. Great response time ... lol
@Munira495
@Munira495 Жыл бұрын
Iwant take online course so how to take?
@TimWilborne
@TimWilborne Жыл бұрын
Here you go. twcontrols.com/plc-lessons
@pushpakarmishra1441
@pushpakarmishra1441 3 жыл бұрын
sir pls make videos over VFDs
@TimWilborne
@TimWilborne 3 жыл бұрын
See link below. twcontrols.com/ac-drives-and-3-phase-motors
@jessecastro9717
@jessecastro9717 Жыл бұрын
Do you still have classes? Where are you located?
@TimWilborne
@TimWilborne Жыл бұрын
Yes in Roanoke Virginia. You can learn more about our training at: twcontrols.com/allen-bradley-plc-training
@khoanguyen4780
@khoanguyen4780 Жыл бұрын
what is standard of wire color sir?
@TimWilborne
@TimWilborne Жыл бұрын
According to UK standards, ground has to be green. The rest is regional. I have a video coming on this.
@khoanguyen4780
@khoanguyen4780 Жыл бұрын
@@TimWilborne I hope to see it soon
@_stardust__
@_stardust__ 3 жыл бұрын
Where can I get that enclosure?
@TimWilborne
@TimWilborne 3 жыл бұрын
www.theautomationstore.com/control-panels/
@Fulzomatic
@Fulzomatic Жыл бұрын
Is grounding important? 🤣😂
@TimWilborne
@TimWilborne Жыл бұрын
Can you tell I used to work at a place where they didn't think grounding was important 😁
@steadywatching7564
@steadywatching7564 3 жыл бұрын
What!? I like the beard.
@lefi75
@lefi75 3 жыл бұрын
"Does it need a label?" Can you just say yes next time?
@TimWilborne
@TimWilborne 3 жыл бұрын
That would be the best answer 😀
@celsiusfahrenheit1176
@celsiusfahrenheit1176 Жыл бұрын
Hi Tim, I have a computer science degree and a minor in electronics, I became an electrical contractor while studying. I did an online PLC basics certification. I am thinking of doing the PLC II which covers Rockwell 5000 series, SCADA, DCS etc. My question you you is what else do I need to get enough knowledge and experience to start offering my services for the automation industry specifically, PLCs, scada, MES, and ERP integration?
@TimWilborne
@TimWilborne Жыл бұрын
The biggest thing would be opportunities for troubleshooting experience. That will go further than PLC II.
@mrashad219
@mrashad219 18 күн бұрын
UL standard is ass backwards why so much blue where is the -. What was wrong with Red + and Black -?
@TimWilborne
@TimWilborne 17 күн бұрын
Who said that was a UL requirement?
@mrashad219
@mrashad219 17 күн бұрын
@@TimWilborne I thought it was part of UL 508a standard for panels. Honestly I'm not sure who sets wire color standards I don't see it in NEC .
@mrashad219
@mrashad219 17 күн бұрын
@@TimWilborne apparently you got a Pay $700 to even read the damn UL 508a.
@TimWilborne
@TimWilborne 17 күн бұрын
Nope, here is what it cost to become UL508A kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ab93Z9aVyNLbk5c.html
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