Was about to type that lol

When we get 5 seconds of penalties for hitting the wall after being hit by a dirty driver

Yeah but you don't have to spend hundreds to thousands to play gt7.

​@@LesVoituresOntLaParole we get our sr rating taken down by loads by people going into the side of you for no reason.

@@StormTheDoggo and when the sr goes down, its pull your dr altogether

Or just give the penalty to the people triggering the 4x? I mean there’s so much time with the awful net code a car you made no contact with gives you a 4x. It needs some work cause right now it is way too harsh.

I think anyone with common sense would understand that just because it's a no fault system now, doesn't mean it had to be like that forever.

​​​ it's not, 1000's of us do it without a problem Their system works great, Just stop sucking ass and hitting things maybe Aka get good or go back and play forza

@@dondelchulia3189what do you mean just give the 4x to the person triggering it. The game doesn’t know who’s at fault. It’s just not realistic to expect

@@xeuxis8892 the 2 cars that actually created the 4x. Not someone else that gets caught up in it, or in the case of net-code, drives 5 feet away and gets a 4x

Maybe the front half of the car is the driver’s responsibility. So hit detection, similar to how shooter detect headshots etc. Then maybe something to do with relative velocity. The input telemetry might be needed in situations the need deeper investigation. At the very least you shouldn’t get 4x for someone hitting you from behind. Also slight touches should not create a penalty. There should be a threshold for a light tap or accidental touch vs being hit from behind on purpose by a person who didn’t even touch the brakes. I’m not programmer but it seems like it wouldn’t be that hard. Give everything else they can simulate accurately.

@@goobytron2888 but then with your system if you turn in on someone it’s not your responsibility

@@ukdirtluke486 I see what you mean. A lot of times when people think they are being “turned in on” they are trying to fires a pass on the inside under braking off the racing line. It’s up to the car overtaking to do it safely. I’ve watched a lot of replays where a person claims they cut cut-off or turn in on, when the truth is they were way inside and then cut across the apex to hit the side of the car they were trying to overtake. There’s always exceptions and that’s what the protest/review system is for. When it’s a judgement call. Even if you get a blue flag your supposed to stay on the racing line and stay at speed. You’re just not supposed to defend. You’re not supposed to slow/ stop or go off line to let them pass. As a courtesy yes of course. But the idea that you have to pull over for them is also silly and often makes things worse. If I’m overtaking back markers, I prefer they do nothing but keep going and ignore me. I’ll get by. Just don’t defend. 🚗 🚙.

@@goobytron2888but what if I break check someone out of a corner. That would put them at fault

Here I think quite easily. If Car 1 leaves the track in the outside while out of control and then rejoins and an incident occurs within 5 metres or 10 secs of the rejoin, and an incident occurs, it's their fault. If Car 1 hits car 2 and car 2 hits car 3 within 2 secs of fist contact, it gets tallied and all incident points get attached to car 1.

OK, Lewis smh.

I seriously don't know who let this dude in a real car

That's extremely boring. Pedal to the metal dude if I see a cloud of smoke I'm driving through it flatout

@@IDyn4m1CI this is a channel for REAL racing techniques not Forza or gran tursismo you're in the wrong place

@@Danefrak Booooring. Real racing techniques? What, do you think this is real life or something? lmao

How come it's beneficial i don't see the point... It's literally rage that boils when you get smacked full speed from behind into turn 1 or 2 cause some1 not learnt the map properly its so easy fix.. If you get hit hard from behind no reason to give you 4x if you on pace and raceline

​@@JG-vo8eyMost of the time it can be avoided by being more aware of what is going on around you.

@@JG-vo8ey a single 4x has no real impact on your SR over time. If you drive cleanly otherwise, you'll maintain a high SR despite these infrequent undeserved 4x's

@@JG-vo8ey Use your mirrors mate.

@@22Epic and radar, I back out immediately when I see an idiot on the radar making a stupid lunge.

Are they brake checking you or are you braking too deep and making moves that you shouldn't be making? Not implying you are, but it's a good chance for some introspection into why these incidents are occurring. If they truly are intentional brake-checks, file a protest. If it's a bit more wishy washy, ask yourself what you could have done to avoid running into the back of the car that is braking. Chances are there's something you could be doing better too, even if the incident isn't your fault.

@@u-wot-n8 so the most recent one happened a week ago on Oren park I think through the dogleg turns. They are corners that require maybe half off the gas. Never breaking. But on the exit this guy breaks about 300 meters before the breaking point for the next corner. So unless his foot slipped, I would assume he’s break checking me. There are times we’re I can tell that I’m breaking too deep and I just get back on the track and try and make that my only incident. I’m a C 2.88 after only about 3 weeks out of rookie so I would say I’m doing well

People drive differently and have different brake zones. Personally I would put your description on you as you could have given more room or been more prepared to brake following into a corner. If your going to be that much faster through a turn, give space take the turn faster and pass in the next section.

@@matt7830 also remember early on, a lot of people in your races may be inexperienced and not able to take corners as fast as you. Once your irating settles out generally around your skill level (and you get up into higher license series), the fields will feel closer and you can trust and race people more. C2.8 is a great start

Took me 4 months to get out of rookies and 3 to get to B class after that lol.

Yup

He isn't a rookie, he's one of the best new drivers I've seen in irl motorsport and one of the best long term video game drivers.

Roger that

@@blakejohnson6923 that means you agree w me?

@@blakejohnson6923 did you change your mind or somin?

And it's completely fine imo. It prevents rammers and creates hate towards rammers. Also, there's no possible way of knowing if you caused or not the incident...

@@shorty______ The no fault penalties are fine, great even, but the amount of incident points you receive from contact has to be revised. I’ve gotten a 4x for contact that didn’t affect either driver in any way, no damage, not even moving off their line. It’s way too harsh for small contacts

F1 series be like

How do you dictate that via code, it’s crazy how good racers don’t complain about this system. Someone with good race craft wouldn’t have been involved in any way

​@@codyjarvis You could check for the force of the impact by comparing the cars' relative positions to each other over the time span of a few seconds before the crash, and then check whether the driver that had been bumped by the one who made contact has lost control, went off-track or got total damage witin a couple seconds after the crash. If the latter occured, 2x for car contact. If the former occured, then might as well give 2x to BOTH drivers for contact, because there is no possible way of knowing through code what the drivers think, such as if they are brake checking intentionally, or if the one behind is accelerating intentionally so they bump each other.

NFS most wanted. If you cause incident police will defo find you. And it is a shame of you if you won’t consider it as a sim 😂

​@tolgayilmaz86 facts and iRacing is still a video game too 😂

Good news is we all pay a monthly subscription fee and we have months and years to train an AI. Without live stewards nothing is perfect but the system can certainly be better.

Maybe the IA can compare consistency to see which car caused the problem. But It would be harder to do that the IA could guess if the guy that has to evade the accident did everything in his hands. Or for example if he does an evasion move, if he gets hit later the IA could detect him as the infractor. Another case is that generally dangerous drivers usually gets a lots of penalties. If u get a high number of hits but with a player flagged as dangerous, you would get less resposability. But a dangerous driver could also farm that elo. It is very hard to make. And when training the IA, a human has to tell him who is the infractor

One thing that is very easy to do, is dynamic slow downs. Iracing put it even you go slow out track evading an accident, and the x1 penalty. In rfactor when you go outside they calculate delta to see if you went faster in that microsector. This only penalty out tracks to get advantage, but not the out tracks because you brake late and go off track to the gravel

or just have no penalties at all (unless its ridiculous dive bombs) because rubbin's racin'. In real life the mx-5 cup are banging doors through the whole race every single week.

@@justinheld5393 it would cost too much to implement a different penalty system for each class of car in iracing.

he went up bc the car infront of him was spinning then he corrected and the black car break check bc the other car was spinning into him

@@venompogg4231 he was still off the race line, car inside on the race line, made it inside his rear bumper giving him position then this guy corrected to avoid running into the other car which made him hit the car and get 4x points, it’s his own fault any way you look at it.. if he had not gone off the race like he would have never been in this position, get better.

@@adrianadams3846 his "race line" option was running right behind the car losing control on the bottom of the corner and his other option from correcting and barley tapping the black is stoping entirely and probably getting hit from behind

And people like you are the problem. Accept that not everything is your own fault and that sometimes, you just get screwed

That's just a racing deal though. Nothing intentional and shouldn't be penalized.

That's a shit argument since incident points can get you kicked...you aren't put in jail because someone crashed into you.

@@DxBlack if you’re getting enough incident points that you’re getting kicked then that’s completely on you. Don’t tell me you had 5 4x in a 15 minute race which weren’t avoidable at all

That's fair, but all of those things minus injuries apply to the game. In real life, you wouldn't be booted out of your racing league and dropped from say, Nationals to local club races, because of not at fault incidents. In iRacing, if you can't not get taken out by idiots you will be booted from your license and dropped with even worse drivers. It took me a full week of staying at the back of the pack in C class to get to B class because no matter how hard I tried to stay away from the turds they always found a way to rack me up incident points.

Very well said. Too many wild drivers are blaming the system.

​@@xeuxis8892someone hasn't raced in rookie classes in a while. Where nobody knows their braking points due to being new, 5 4x's that aren't someone's fault are completely plausible to happen to someone starting out. Sure you can see it coming and dive off the track in a panic and that's a 1x for off track and a 2x for loss of control unless you're lucky enough for there to have been a big runoff on the corner.

This^^ It has become clear reading these comments that people dont read the sporting code.

You should never get 4x for such a small contact though

@@Xerxes1337 You misunderstand. The contact between Cameron and the black car is a 0x. When the black car made contact with the car in front that was a 4x as that was definitely enough of a contact to cause the other car to go off (the half spin is not counted). As the 0x has a timer to track incident inheritance, that’s where the 4x came from.

you should when you losing control of the car and coming back onto the track cause the contact, and caused the other car to straighten in the turn, meaning you actually caused both collisions. @@Xerxes1337

@@DanFraserUKbut even with a no fault system it’s not the best. If someone rejoins after a spin and just doesn’t look where they are going, you shouldn’t get hit with a penalty if you hit them when you acted properly. They absolutely could figure out an algorithm to determine a better fault system, it’s just easier to leave it as a no fault because it makes things simpler. If I have a clean overpass and another driver decides to retaliate and divebomb into me on a slower corner, why should I receive a penalty for a collision if I’m racing clean? It’s a system that needs to be addressed since it benefits risky driving more than clean driving

For the first couple laps, then it's fine. Just like skippy has always been.

One reason to play RF2 instead of iRacing

How's did you get the other 14+ incident points?

I couldn’t imagine this track in real life in a car!! Forget motorcycles!!!

so was the guy in this video. he almost seemed like he thought drifting makes you faster, because his set up and turn looked like he was drifting on purpose

Why is the iRacing community full of grizzled old racers who are mad at the world?

@@aaronf8710 nice generalization. Maybe because the main audience watching this dude is already on iRacing and the penalty mechanism is something you have to deal with. There's no easy way to determine who's right and not during the race.

​@@aaronf8710 why is the iracing KZfaq commenter community filled with people who have never opened the sporting code or probably don't even know what it is?

@@laysdong amen.

​@@aaronf8710better to be mad at the world, than mad at the mad at the world...

Incorrect, the spinning car did not hit him at all. The 4x was from the black car hitting the spinning car. Hence the mechanic that he is saying needs to be fixed.

@@MrJohansen It looks a lot like he got netcoded by the spinning car, but I'm not entirely sure anymore. Still a weird netcode issue either way.

This is probably a mass crash detection kicking in and thus not that easy to fix

He wasn't actually sliding; the video cropping to fit into the "Shorts" format makes it seem that way. Everything else you said is correct though - everyone involved in any incident gets incident points, regardless of who is at fault.

@@jrlepage2a03 Sorry totally disagree. Watched it again and he's clearly sliding. You can hear the tyres screeching and the attitude of the car is totally wrong if he's not sliding. The nose is not pointing in the same direction as travel. Clear slide.

@@jrlepage2a03 So he just turned his wheel 90º to the left on a right turn because why not right

Excatly what i saw ...

​@@jrlepage2a03100%sliding. Watch the steering wheel as he tried to correct for the slide. Bro u cant see that u jeed glasses.

If you get 17x, there is no fucking way you didnt have anything to do with any of the incidents.

The issue is giving the points regardless of fault. I’ve been involved in collisions where I was hit and thrown into a spin that caused me to collide with another car that also had the same issue. It was all caused by one single driver and yet all 5 of us received a penalty. The only one that should have gotten those points was the initial car and yet every single person got them. It’s a flawed system but fixing it is just too difficult to do without somehow implementing thousands of live stewards to watch over every race. The only realistic option would be to have a delayed penalty system so you could have a program review each incident to determine fault in some way. It punishes clean racers just as much as dirty racers currently and it isn’t how any other racing league would consider penalties