How Far Will a 9mm Kill?

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How Far Will a 9mm Kill?

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In this video we wanted to test how far a 9mm is in fact capable of producing a potentially lethal wound. We do the standard pine board test that Barry demonstrated in the "How Far Will a .22 Kill" video, as well as a bit of ballistics testing at long range. Do you think the 9mm will penetrate a clear ballistics torso at 440 yards?
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@Iraqveteran8888 5 жыл бұрын

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@hardtarget2359 5 жыл бұрын

Do this with 40S&W!

@didicantcascio3391 5 жыл бұрын

Try 22 WMR. I rarely see any videos on 22 WMR and it's king of annoying considering its used a lot for hunting, and it's just a good round overall.

@t.j.poductions6462 5 жыл бұрын

Crazy to think I’ve been watchin y’all for this long. I watched this video when you first dropped it. In fact I watched way before this video.

@keptinkaos6384 5 жыл бұрын

was going to suggest forget the marksmanship to use a really big board paint it whit board your just testing lethality

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@gammondog 8 жыл бұрын

A quarter mile is a long distance. It makes you appreciate what a stray 9mm shot can do if you're not careful.

@gammondog 8 жыл бұрын

Not in a city. It happens quite frequently in certain neighborhoods. With his property and in that type of rural community it would be just as you said, "One in a million". Plus he takes many precautions. I would feel safe living next to him.

@joesmith5078 8 жыл бұрын

+Joost Schenk happens all the time in Chicago

@kojo570 8 жыл бұрын

I live in Nova Scotia Canada and even out here in the sticks people still get hit with stray bullets. It does happen quite often and statistically speaking, if every 60 seconds there is a "one in a million" chance of getting shot and killed by accident, there are over 7000 deaths world wide each minute.

@antvapes7620 8 жыл бұрын

+Gerald Dolliver what a bunch of bs! Not saying your numbers aren't true, but compare that to knife deaths. Or automobile deaths? Which is the bigger threat? Maybe you should go post your fear-mongering comments on automobile videos?

@antvapes7620 8 жыл бұрын

+Tropical Mist Pressure Cleaning And same with you. Google kids deaths by automobile. See what's the bigger killer of children.

@brianj489 8 жыл бұрын

Seeing all these comments from people living in europe and other places being bummed out theyre not allowed firearms really makes me appreciate living here in the US thats for sure.

@hoplite669 8 жыл бұрын

+Brian J : Lol, and i am very glad I live in Germany, where not every idiot can get a gun and shoot other People - or himself (which is the most likely outcome, according to the statistics of gun accidents in the U.S.)

@crazygone5107 8 жыл бұрын

+hoplite669 As you're watching a shooting video. Lol

@garydflatt290 8 жыл бұрын

+hoplite669 --the young German ladies WISH that someone had a gun/knife/sword or some balls, anything to protect them.

@traniel123456789 8 жыл бұрын

+Gary D Flatt if those young german ladies actually had a gun, the attacker woul probably have one too. And whoever that was would probably also be a better shot.

@garydflatt290 8 жыл бұрын

+Daniel Vestøl --Did I say balls, gonads, cajones?

@nicsye12 3 жыл бұрын

This guys accuracy with iron sights is blowing my mind I wouldn't even see the friggin target that far away

@ChiefSmackahoLLC 3 жыл бұрын

Having a dedicated spotter and after the fact editing helps 1000% edit: not to discount the accuracy shown, just saying

@notbraindead7298 3 жыл бұрын

@nicsye: shooting a handgun with iron sights freestyle (no rest) at a target 200 yards and hitting it sort of blows my mind too.

@cyotedude 6 ай бұрын

Iraq Veteran 8888 probably shot irons in basic training at 400 yds. I did.

@JAFO. 4 жыл бұрын

Geez, I just realized you were shooting a 9mm at a 1/4 mile, IRON SIGHTS! Remind me to stay on your good side.

@mr.sevensixtwo 4 жыл бұрын

dam right brother!!! plus great review!!!

@krissyramsey3934 3 жыл бұрын

Wow!

@sharonsims3185 3 жыл бұрын

There a really good shot both of them, well there both full time shooters

@LIONTAMER3D 3 жыл бұрын

Optics are for suckers

@bobsantos2160 3 жыл бұрын

Dont be a pussy, he cant hit you if youre movin at a quarter mile out.

@cheekyd-z 4 жыл бұрын

I like you guys, you get straight to the point, there’s no 12 minute irrelevant stuff before you start doing stuff, great job guys, what I like to see.

@stolish101 4 жыл бұрын

@stevemcgee99 4 жыл бұрын

Good point, actually. I hadn't even noticed but this was all content!

@stevemcgee99 4 жыл бұрын

The Miller Lite of gun channels.

@abusethesun 4 жыл бұрын

Counterpoint: They never answered the actual question posed and wasted 12 minutes showing guns kill under 440 yards

@ouiroc 3 жыл бұрын

What about hollow point shooting out that distance with penetration

@Arush-eu2xz 5 жыл бұрын

For the metric folk here: 50 Yards= 45.72 meters 100 Yards= 91.44 meters 200 Yards= 182.88 meters 440 Yards= 402.336 meters

@Lomitatawa 5 жыл бұрын

thx

@Lomitatawa 5 жыл бұрын

Of course, only nobody says this out loud here^^

@robertditchfield441 5 жыл бұрын

^^hahahaha^^

@grenadeout562 5 жыл бұрын

Thank you

@user-vp9lc9up6v 5 жыл бұрын

I dont understand both of them can you use Waffle houses as measurement

@walterflorczak701 2 жыл бұрын

I always knew that a 9mm in a carbine was definitely lethal at 150+ yds, even up to 200 yds, but, I had no idea it could be lethal at 440yards...that is even one more reason why I like the PCCs!

@michaelterlecky4549 Жыл бұрын

I have the Hi Point 9mm pcc and I truly love it. Don't let the name scare you. It's a great rifle and shoots every time I pull the trigger

@markdougherty8933 Жыл бұрын

@@michaelterlecky4549 regardless of people feelings on hipoint their carbine is 110% reliable accurate and easy too shoot...I just beg them to make it double stack one day...but even as is. WELL worth it's price tag

@truthseekingsigma4741 Жыл бұрын

Would you say that a 9 carbine is a perfect civilian weapon? I’ve been thinking about a 9 rifle for a while, I think it suitable for most situations, except maybe a fire fight with military personnel with ak’s, or ar’s etc

@oahts5906 Жыл бұрын

@@truthseekingsigma4741its very practical

@AdvancedTennisFoundation-ph9zo 5 ай бұрын

What about dope for bullet drop with 9mm?

@lashlarue7924 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you. This reaffirms my belief that there is almost NO reason not to choose 9mm. More magazine capacity, cheaper, less recoil, more widely available, and (now) more deadly at a distance than I can reliably be accurate anyhow. I’d remind viewers that being accurate when under combat stress is different than shooting on a range. That said, that was some DAMN fine shooting. Don’t mess with these guys!

@donaldoehl7690 2 жыл бұрын

I know someone who won't even consider a 9mm. She carries a full size 1911 .45 plus 4 spare mags. Her purse does weigh a ton, though.

@randalthor6872 2 жыл бұрын

@@donaldoehl7690 Damn she sounds kind of bad ass! haha : )

@okinawanah3463 2 жыл бұрын

@@donaldoehl7690 honestly would go for a Glock 30 no spare mag and a P365 on the ankle 2 15 round mags and all else fails a neck/boot knife that has a hole for the finger

@izifaddag8221 2 жыл бұрын

@@okinawanah3463 Wow. That is impressive. Is it that dangerous where you live? I have a couple of pistols at home and am seriously thinking of buying a 9mm carbine. I can share ammunition plus all the benefits people know about. I don't carry the stuff though. I must admit I am thinking of getting a concealed carry permit and buying a Ruger LCP. They are tiny and it wouldn't be a bother. What you are suggesting is a bit extreme. Very heavy.

@bobbie4862 Жыл бұрын

@@okinawanah3463 Just curious...why would you not carry spare mags for your primary but carry 2 spares for your ankle gun?

@SubZeDiZeD 8 жыл бұрын

I am extremely impressed by the fact that you hit the 200 yard target with a pistol free hand. That's amazing in my book. I'd like to think that I'm a fairly good shot, but I highly doubt I'd be able to pull it off. Excellent shooting!!

@Shadow0fd3ath24 6 жыл бұрын

You can't shoot a 36 inch at 200 with a pistol? We used to shoot 44 spl revolvers out to 400 on 48 inch plywood regularly when I was a kid in arkansas

@tacticalbuttsex4669 6 жыл бұрын

@@Shadow0fd3ath24 i hit people in the dick regularly as a kid at 796 with a s&w 500

@edwardwu2749 5 жыл бұрын

@ShadowofDeath24 @Iraqveteran8888 hit a sub 1 MOA group with a 9mm Pistol, standing freehanded...maybe luck had a little to do with it, but that is amazing in anyone's book. Even Olympic Athletes with much more expensive equipment can't do that with ease, espcially at 200 yards...

@deathcogunit106 5 жыл бұрын

@@edwardwu2749 Similar thoughts here. I didn't realize how good these dudes were but luck or not, that's an amazing shot he made.

@howiebouthat3435 5 жыл бұрын

I served in the army with a guy who won Bisley around 1996/97. He hit a figure 12 target at 200 meters standing, using a Walther P5 compact. It wasn't even part of the comp. Impressive but he was a bit insane and threatened to kill the Coy OC. Ahhhhhh good times

@miamitreasurehunter 8 жыл бұрын

This really makes you think before you shoot. Be aware of what is around your target that would be collateral damage. Nicely presented.

@Aaron-qr3tg 8 жыл бұрын

if your shooting a attacker you are not thinking about behind it

@sunshineninety9 8 жыл бұрын

You should try to. I think we can agree on that...

@ln6964 8 жыл бұрын

Exactly. And here's some food for thought for those who don't think or want to think it's possible. Lawsuits, jail time, or worse the death of an innocent. Granted with adrenaline pumping it would be very difficult, but it's something you need to train and constantly be aware of as you are responsible for every round that leaves your weapon.

@mcolln 7 жыл бұрын

Four weapon safety rules: Treat every weapon as if it were loaded Never point your weapon at anything you do not intend to shoot. Keep your fingers trained off the trigger until you are ready to fire. Keep you weapon on safe until you are ready to fire. Know your target and what lies beyond an in-between.

@gregb6469 7 жыл бұрын

That's five rules. :)

@raisagorbachov 4 жыл бұрын

I'm really glad to see people taking 9mm seriously. I went for a 9mm carbine on the basis that if it was good enough for the British Sten and the German MP40 at standard 300 yard combat ranges, it was perfectly adequate for a home defense carbine.

@donut6837 2 жыл бұрын

This is my thought too! I’ve had my eye on the Kel-Tec Sub 2000 Gen 2 for a while now and this video just confirms that’s my choice. I live in a city as well so I don’t want to be over-penetrating my walls and giving my neighbors a bad day either. Gun safety says know your target and what is beyond. I don’t understand how people think 5.56 or even 00 Buck is a good idea for home defense. Paul Harrell did a presentation showing those calibers/shot will go through 3 internal and external walls and still have enough energy to kill an innocent bystander. The 5.56 rounds still continued through the target and overpenned with some ammunition. Way too much risk to hit something else other than the bad guy imo. 9mm Luger is perfect for stopping power and penetration. Especially for what I need it for. It’ll go through my internal walls but it for sure is not going through the drywall over lathe and plaster over brick exterior walls. Not to mention that I can actually shoot it at the indoor ranges around me since there aren’t any outdoor ranges in the city so I can actually train and be proficient with my rifle.

@izifaddag8221 2 жыл бұрын

I like your thinking sir. I am almost certain it will be a 9mm carbine for me. I am just trying to learn and make a decision right now. Frankly I am leaning towards the Hi Point. The reason is that I watched a serious review of the Ruger PCC and it jammed a LOT. The Hi Point although being a very inexpensive gun gets the job done. I saw a review on it and it passed with flying colors. In the comments people seemed to love it. My only complaint is I would like a takedown. So buy a non take down that is perfectly good and cheap OR get a takedown that jams and is a lot more expensive. Onwards to the Kel Tec.

@alexfresel6198 Жыл бұрын

@@izifaddag8221link to Ruger PCC video?

@izifaddag8221 Жыл бұрын

@@alexfresel6198 I am super sorry but I watch a lot of videos and that was 10 months ago. I am sure you can find it if you try.

@spencerpearson1321 9 ай бұрын

The smith and Wesson fpc is the one for me. Honest outlaws did a review where he said he’s put 2000 rounds through his and had no serious problems.

@kenm8376 3 жыл бұрын

I'm a RSO with over 40 years experience. I teach my students to use their pistol out to about 300 meters without a rest. This goes for whether it's a glock 26 or something designed for precision shooting. I drive the point that the bad guy may have a rifle. I also trained on the Uzi in 9mm. With a 266mm (10,5") bbl. We used to put rounds on target at 1000m and even effectively engaged targets at 2000m in semi automatic mode. With practice these things become easier. Thank you for another great video. Shalom Aleichem, brother.

@Outschmegede 3 жыл бұрын

Schalom Aleihem

@kenm8376 3 жыл бұрын

@@Outschmegede Aleichem Shalom

@timarcella 6 ай бұрын

"When I was I was in the Mohsad I mean when I was not in the Mohsad."

@jamesstever9820 29 күн бұрын

99.9999999% of people aren’t going to hit shit from that distance in a real situation. Lmao Most self defense scenarios are at close distance lmao you’re not a great RSO buddy

@1notgilty 4 жыл бұрын

WOW - That is amazing! At 440 yards the 9mm with 124 grain ball ammo went through both the 3/4 inch plywood AND the 2 by 4's. The same kind of ammo also went through 9 inches of ballistic gel. I had no idea a 9mm had that kind of power at distance. Obviously 9mm ammo has gotten a LOT better over the years. Thanks for all of your research guys.

@CorePathway 2 жыл бұрын

This is ball ammo. Unchanged essentially for decades. But now you can see how the .30 carbine is also so deadly

@grahambrown1980 7 ай бұрын

The 9mm did all that?!?! I think I just had a wet daydream! 😁😆

@chuckhaggard1584 6 ай бұрын

Much of the WW2 military issued 9mm, such as the 116gr Canadian Army load, was hotter than what is built now.

@grahambrown1980 6 ай бұрын

@@chuckhaggard1584 Which probably was eeny weenie teeny weenie little beer cans, with some added weight. 🍁🇨🇦☺️

@the308capital 10 жыл бұрын

I used to shoot nothing but 45acp until about 5 years ago when I switched to 9mm. Realizing all the benefits of the 9mm, I never looked back. It's the most affordable centerfire pistol round, gives you better magazine capacity and is lethal beyond 400m....can't beat those stats.

@Wedelj 10 жыл бұрын

But.. But.. But.. Its 45 ACP! It was handed down from Heaven to JMB! How can you spout such heresy???

@shananagans5 10 жыл бұрын

I have always used 9mm but viewed it as the less desirable choice until I started working as a forensic psych. I do mental status exams on everyone involved in a shooting in our county & I review the police reports etc. Anyways, to make a long story short, I can't say I have noticed the extra energy of a .45 to be a big factor. I have however; noticed that lots of people run out of rounds. The average number of shots fired in a fight is relatively low but situations where someone fires 10, 12 or even 15 rounds isn't uncommon. It seems to me that you are more likely to need more rounds than a little more energy in each round. There are a million variables & countless ways a situation can play out but I gotta go with the numbers & it seems to me that more rounds is a bigger advantage than a little more energy per round. I still want a .45 though. Maybe a nice 1911, just for fun.

@matthewellis6516 10 жыл бұрын

shananagans5 If you're so psychic then you would already know this right, "ya fraud

@shananagans5 10 жыл бұрын

matthew ellis Psych, as in Psychologist, not psychic. Any "psychic" is a fraud.

@matthewellis6516 10 жыл бұрын

apologize

@mikem.s.1183 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent test. And it totally contradicts what some "experts" say, that the parabellum shot from an MPX isn't deadly past 100 m. It is, with proper bullet placement.

@CarlosRE-29-07 5 ай бұрын

Lo dicen porque en pistola es diferente el cañón de 4'' no es lo mismo que 16'' amigo

@ecrusch 3 жыл бұрын

That's pretty amazing. I never would have thought that a 9mm would penetrate the 2 x 4 as well as the backer board from those distances. Thank you for your work providing this content.

@mikewaugh2746 Жыл бұрын

AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHY IF YOU CARRY FULL METAL JACKET AMMO IN YOUR GUN YOU BETTER BE READY FOR IT TO "OVER PENETRATE"!

@rudyramirez4623 Жыл бұрын

@@mikewaugh2746 I thought I was good with fmj. I immediately said outloud, "I need carry ammo". This was eye opening.

@rtep5 9 жыл бұрын

I'm European. I live in America. I spent 4 years in the US Army = metric, not-metric, metric... who cares. These guys run an American, civilian, gun shop. They're used to talking inches, feet, and yards. I like guns. I'm happy they posted these videos. I learned some practical gun stuff.

@cmj20002 8 жыл бұрын

Most calibers are dangerous out to a mile. There was an incident when someone was killed over two miles away from a .44 magnum. The bullet had lost a lot of its velocity but with it's weight it still had the power for a kill. Just always make sure you shoot in a safe direction with a good backstop. Safety is paramount with any caliber gun.

@MattD86 6 жыл бұрын

C MJ thanks Dad

@TheCowboyblaster 6 жыл бұрын

44mag is extremely lethal round and can't even be put in the same class as the 9mm . 44mag out performs 45 and 50 cal at range with speed accuracy and hitting power

@johntaranto29 5 жыл бұрын

Yeah if the 9mm hits exactly center mass it will typically kill, but 45acp drops people faster. This is why officers empty their glock magazines to make sure it stops the target as quick as possible.

@littleshepherdfarm2128 5 жыл бұрын

C M J: You are right. When I was a kid we'd go to my grand dad's in the mountains in PA and I'd shoot my dad's old .22 rifle. I could hit this one tree that way way far away with that thing and it HAD to be at least 1/2 mile away...and you could even hear it when the shell hit it because of the echo. Granted, a .22 is a very FLAT flying round and that's one big reason it's so popular but just imagine the same scenario with a much larger caliber. A human wouldn't stand a chance.

@godisgod7089 5 жыл бұрын

Swampy what about that video of the guy breaking into a gas station and getting shot in the chest multiple times and even once in the head then he proceeds to knock out the girl shooting him before dying.

@BobbyMeeks 3 жыл бұрын

OMG I can barely see words on the TV across the room! Couldn't imagine hitting anything at 50 yards unassisted!!!! Great video.

@philly9957 4 жыл бұрын

Never mind the 9mm rounds, that is some great shooting with a pistol...👍

@donaldist7321 3 жыл бұрын

if it wouldn't be these two guys, I would call BS on that. Very, very cool!

@brookss2141 5 жыл бұрын

I can't believe he hit that at 200 yards with a pistol.

@jackd2083 4 жыл бұрын

Did you see Jerry Miculek hitting 1000 yards with a pistol? Insane skills!

@marcusrobinson1778 4 жыл бұрын

@@jackd2083 jerry should be outlawed. His .50 BMG mag dumps are insane!

@joesinnott6695 4 жыл бұрын

Some people can make a king cobra 357 6 inch barrel do some wicked long bites

@trader2137 3 жыл бұрын

its not that hard

@Topsiekku 3 жыл бұрын

Yes, Yes, long enough to shoot, someone always hits.

@graycloud057 8 жыл бұрын

For years I was a devoted 45 fan. I have since grown older and wiser. I've done my own tests like these and the 9 has come out on top.

@tullo5564 3 жыл бұрын

Both good rounds at short ranges

@edwinmcnew4389 4 жыл бұрын

I had no idea it would penetrate anything at that distance! Great information! Thanks guys!

@chrismanspeaker9372 2 жыл бұрын

When they developed the 9mm 100 years ago, most armies equipped it with sites out to 500+ yards. So, it should have the effectiveness to do that at that range.

@nazmussakib1084 2 жыл бұрын

Hmm with a 10" barrel with a shoulder support it is not impossible

@leonm7362 7 жыл бұрын

my favorite 9mm review.. Put some respect on the 9mm!!!!

@ELMOYER30 4 жыл бұрын

FR THO

@xsidx232 4 жыл бұрын

.45>9mm

@dallaswood4117 3 жыл бұрын

Anyone who says 9mm isn’t enough gun probably also drives a huge lifted truck if you get what I’m saying

@keithrickson8522 5 жыл бұрын

Just one of the reasons I moved BACK to the US. Used to live in Australia where you have to be licensed and trained by the government to own kitchen knife.

@AR-fh2uh 4 жыл бұрын

And thats only after 6 months of using a plastic picnic knife.

@toxicwhitestraightmalebigo6091 4 жыл бұрын

Yep. Look at the bushfires. All the green govt movement and eco nuts thinking that not doing control burns is somehow better for the environment. Morons. And it was arson.

@michaelcorvin9214 4 жыл бұрын

Goodness Gracious !

@missouribob7850 4 жыл бұрын

Depending on who wins the 2020 Presidential election the U.S. might go the way of Australia.

@Finch-lh6lk 4 жыл бұрын

@@missouribob7850 Nope. No one is letting that happen.

@mygoogleemail2063 4 жыл бұрын

So you're telling me I can get shot through the floor hiding in my bedroom closet? Noted.

@brooooo7335 4 жыл бұрын

Rb6 floorbang

@johnmclain250 4 жыл бұрын

Yes, but it also means you can shoot the other guy downstairs from inside your closet.

@williamdowden4494 3 жыл бұрын

And doors and walls, through mattresses and furniture.....

@JustinFE1 3 жыл бұрын

Xrp to the moon

@scott1lori282 3 жыл бұрын

Have you not seen "The Hateful Eight"?

@pzgarand3006 4 жыл бұрын

I am a firearms instructor and you guys are AWESOME!! I learn from my students and they learn from me. I love your video. You are to the point and you guys cut thru the BS. BTW, great selection on weapons. I am a CZ man. I have one of the first CZ 75 D PCR model ever to put out for sale to the civilian world. I will subscribe to your channel. Thanks for being awesome and very safe. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

@deuceandguns 10 жыл бұрын

FYI - When you take 9mm ammo that you were shooting in a pistol and start shooting it in a carbine you can add about 200 fps to the speed.

@TheWoundChannel 10 жыл бұрын

That depends on the powder and bullet weight. Sometimes a longer barrel adds almost nothing.

@kkaser04 10 жыл бұрын

yes but you try hitting anything at 440 yards with a pistol lol.

@TheWoundChannel 10 жыл бұрын

Glockin .Grizzly I could, I just don't have the space. Check out my video shooting a P226 @ 200 yards

@kkaser04 10 жыл бұрын

***** never said anyone could that would be the wound channel that said that.

@TheWoundChannel 10 жыл бұрын

Glockin .Grizzly fuckin right

@TheLateBoyScout 10 жыл бұрын

Great work, guys. That was very informative, and cool to see.

@christofur1218 10 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing this vid Scout. Those guys are very thorough. Watched it with my grandaughter this morning. Her thoughts, "Whoowa"

@mikespence8956 2 жыл бұрын

SOID! (LUGER)! SOID! *MIKE! SPENCE! THE! (G,O,A,T,B)!

@preacherF-15 3 жыл бұрын

These videos have gotten me interested in extreme distance pistol shooting. I own a ranch, and have my own 1500 yard range (I compete at 1000 yard shooting, using a Barrett 50 bmg and a 338 lapua magnum on a 700 chassis) I'm a 40 year gun collector, so I have quite a number to choose from. I was astonished at how well I could group 9mm ball at 100 yards, after some time figuring out a proper hold. What really amazed me, however, was the result of firing a CZ Rami at 200 yards. I never would have expected that little beast to perform...well, at all, at 200 yards. But I was consistently able to keep about a 10" group on a standard police silhouette, which easily qualifies as "center mass". 200 yards out of a Rami...just amazing. Thanks for the great videos guys! Keep em coming!

@artymillz 7 ай бұрын

Bring this series back even if you just have to change the name to “how far is it effective” or “how far will it drop” to appease KZfaq. I loved this series, and there’s so many more rounds I’m curious about

@richdouche6227 5 жыл бұрын

9mm is a good round, and one I enjoy due to higher mag capacity, lighter recoil, and less expense to shoot regularly.

@alexandersheppard1997 4 жыл бұрын

@Bobby Brady If I need to use it inside my house, hearing damage is the absolute last of my concerns.

@mx2ce782 4 жыл бұрын

@Bobby Brady get your nerf guns out kids

@gagewilliams5405 4 жыл бұрын

Used to be less expensive. Rip

@rebas04 3 жыл бұрын

Hickok45 could hit any distance with a pistol🤣

@dacye138 3 жыл бұрын

This didn’t age well

@tnoutdoors9 10 жыл бұрын

Looks like the Army just found their new handgun caliber! Wait a minute........

@Iraqveteran8888 10 жыл бұрын

Lol...

@JeromyIodice 10 жыл бұрын

I was really amazed when the TM for the M9 said that its max effective range is 50 meters and max range is 500 meters. This clears up any doubt for me.

@jjd99d 10 жыл бұрын

That's funny. I've always had a theory that 45 caliber fan-boys are trying to compensate for something.

@Disabledprepper87 10 жыл бұрын

Great test guys, I am looking forward to seeing what the hollows do at this distance. My guess is that they behave just like they do at close range. Maybe they wont though and they will just act like ball ammo does. Cant wait to see it.

@ArtisanTony 10 жыл бұрын

Haha, those goobers :)

@boostedreefer1041 Жыл бұрын

Idk how many times I’ve watched this over the years but still impressed with your shooting every time. Good job! I love 9mm for everyday stuff and this confirms I’m right. Have a 10mm for woods but for shtf, .223 and 9mm are my go to

@oldowl4290 Жыл бұрын

proper shot placement + proper bullet selection + Sub 2000 = Hell yeah.

@philber57 6 ай бұрын

I’ve got a sub 2000 and it is seriously accurate. Can dancing is really a blast!

@doggonemess1 9 жыл бұрын

200 yards... pistol... OFFHAND?! I have trouble hitting 200 yards with my Mosin and iron sights. You are officially King of Awesome.

@piperspalace2461 7 жыл бұрын

amazing, I had no idea 9mm was that awesome of a round. I just started carrying 9mm,switched from 45..amazing video guys keep it up please

@jeronimomurruni 7 жыл бұрын

Not to mention that there are the "Russian loads" or 9x19mm 7N31. Those bullets go at almost 2000fps and have almost 560 ft·lbs of energy.

@codycurry91 5 жыл бұрын

9mm major

@doddgarger6806 4 жыл бұрын

P09 and P07 my favorite variants, 19+1+p will end the fight

@juhomannela2160 4 жыл бұрын

@@sinkosav watch the video about the cop that went through three mags In a firefight against 1 person.

@kamron_thurmond 4 жыл бұрын

@@juhomannela2160 Got to hit the target, and in a critical spot to take down someone who is full of drugs and/or adrenaline.

@drewgamezzz8482 2 жыл бұрын

The reason I like this already and I’m only just at them finishing up at 100 yards, is that they don’t just show us them hitting it, but the reality of how is isn’t easy like some try to say or think to shoot someone just from that distance. So I like they don’t just show us the hits, but the misses too and how it would really go in a situation like this. And this is them at their calmest, imagine a shootout or someone moving and you moving and obstacles in the way. That’s why it’s good to have these types of practice to get comfortable with a weapon and how to control, aim it, sight it in, etc.

@lectrix8 4 жыл бұрын

Seeing this makes me happy I invested in my 9mm kriss vector. And now to upgrade those pop up sites with a holographic.

@rocco3686 4 жыл бұрын

Steven Alvarez one of my dream guns a vector with an eo tech...

@Bacnow 3 жыл бұрын

Nice! But, i chose the CZ Scorpion Evo and Ruger PCC as my 9mm fun guns!

@khakipeach2128 3 жыл бұрын

why do people put optics on their guns? i honestly prefer iron sights over red dots and holo sights

@familyfun9474 7 жыл бұрын

I am glad to see someone using ballistic gel at distances. Would like to see the Speer ammo at distances in ballistic gel. Thanks.

@paulstewart1182 10 жыл бұрын

I am amazed that these guys actually hit the target with hand gun at 200. I would need a target as big as a barn door.

@ericchristian6710 6 жыл бұрын

paul Stewart how big they make doors where you come from

@wagnerpd5921 5 жыл бұрын

I'm Not certain I could hit barndoor @ 50feet w/ Colt '70-series Gov't model... in .45ACP. Put it in a bench vise didn't help matters @ the range, either. But... run out of ammo one could Cold Cock a miscreant in the head w/ it: turned around it makes One Fine Club!

@petersimpson633 3 жыл бұрын

I would need to be inside the barn

@mathiask7959 10 ай бұрын

In conclusion having a pew pew is always better than having no pew pew

@lexdelaney2805 4 жыл бұрын

Barrel length is also an important factor. Increased powder burn efficiency can turn even .22s into contenders at 400m range.

@mikeyengland6363 5 жыл бұрын

Bloody good shooting mate, especially with the pistol!!!

@mr.tortelduck 4 жыл бұрын

You must sukk if u thought that was good

@aarons7836 4 жыл бұрын

@@mr.tortelduck you sound like the kind of person nobody wants to be friends with

@mr.tortelduck 4 жыл бұрын

@@aarons7836 haha says a-aron the virgin

@junesegovia264 4 жыл бұрын

Bloody right mate..!!!

@RuthlessRaDiCaL 4 жыл бұрын

@@mr.tortelduck Yeah I wouldn't want to be friends with you man.

@jamesallen5591 5 жыл бұрын

I know it's an old video, but it's new to me. Great work, guys; reenforces my belief in the 9mm.

@bigred675 2 жыл бұрын

I've seen this exact test done with a 22 lr up to 500 yards and was still lethal so it was no surprise. Great job guys always enjoy ur videos!!

@JHunt6352 9 ай бұрын

Two older guys on KZfaq shot 22lr from 677 yards and still penetrate 1/2 inch woody board.

@zulufoxx3829 3 жыл бұрын

This was organized & presented very well! Very informative.... Listing the ammo specific bullet info was nicely edited... I doubt I'd be able to hit the farthest targets you guys did-even w/a bench rest!!! Thanks for your efforts@

@ZorlacSkater 8 жыл бұрын

I'm going to buy a gun... oh wait, i live in germany -.-

@tysej4 8 жыл бұрын

+ZorlacSkater You can still buy a gun you know... First you'd need to be members of a shooting club, get the license and permissions to buy a gun.. And then that gun you bought may only be stored and used on said club's firing range and must never leave there.

@pigeons1017 8 жыл бұрын

I love freedom, now if only the trash politics would stop trying to take them away.

@ZorlacSkater 8 жыл бұрын

tysej4 but it's not the same as in the US. Afaik in the US everyone can buy a gun, without the need of a license. And there are no shooting clubs in my area, and i want to have the gun in my home for home defense.

@tysej4 8 жыл бұрын

+ZorlacSkater ...No matter what state you're in you'll still need a license, the ease of getting these licenses is debatable. That and if you have some kind of criminal record it gets significantly harder to get one. Granted a gun license is much like a driving license in Denmark or Germany... You read some stuff, you get asked a few questions and you pay a certain amount and BOOM license. And then depending on the grade of that license the gun-store is allowed to sell you certain weapons. Higher grade licenses have more security behind them as well as a higher cost.

@tysej4 8 жыл бұрын

+ZorlacSkater While to get a gun-license in Germany you'll probably go through a months long process where the local police-department ensures that you're gun-club is aware of your intentions... A bunch of paperwork, etc.

@O8080808O 5 жыл бұрын

For direct comparison you should have used the long barrel on all ranges. The velocity is significantly different.

@davidcolwell5586 4 жыл бұрын

The pistol penetrated the wood anyway. If it hadn't, I'm sure they would have tried the rifle.

@TacticalMainframe 4 жыл бұрын

Great video. I remember seeing the 22Cal video and still amazed at how lethal the 22LR is.

@pj6208 2 жыл бұрын

What vid are you talking about?

@praetorianpatriot3267 3 жыл бұрын

Good job guys, I needed to see this. Makes me much more confident in what my CZ 75 P01 is going to do against zombies.

@stevezissou6655 8 жыл бұрын

I'm convinced by this I'm buying a kel tec sub 2000 in 9mm it's one of the only decent black rifles allowed by the non restricted licence

@johnvaughan383 8 жыл бұрын

Hopefully the are easier to come by. I got lucky and found 1 new for 550. Have added the tube buffer, rubber tube cover/cheek rest and rubber buttstock all for less than 50 bux. Very nice subby!

@andrewgibson4132 5 жыл бұрын

Man would love to see picture of your KelTec man

@andrewgibson4132 4 жыл бұрын

matt Harvey I got mine has a 50 round drum 40 cal

@kylefoxall4723 4 жыл бұрын

@matt Harvey wait. 1000 round drum? From where? Next question.... WHY?

@SstalkerS 8 жыл бұрын

And they keep on shaming 9mm...

@Darkpara1 7 жыл бұрын

Bit ridiculous really. Anything more than a .380 is perfectly fine for civilian purposes, with the modern ammo they have these days, anyway.

@wagnerpd5921 5 жыл бұрын

Yea... think I'm going back to a 9MM-LASER from a .45ACP that I can't find a holster. Thanks to Uploader.

@boomerisadog3899 5 жыл бұрын

I love my 9's, even the xde is very accurate and it only has like a 3" barrel.

@NaruSanavai 5 жыл бұрын

Who is shaming 9mm? It's the most-used pistol caliber in the world, for a reason

@hell_march6652 5 жыл бұрын

@@NaruSanavai And that is?

@smolboyi 4 жыл бұрын

"blew right through it like it wasn't even there" love the verbiage haha, great vid

@1stone379 2 жыл бұрын

He said that as I stumblem onto this comment 😂

@jimo680 Жыл бұрын

Excellent educational video, guys! Very educational. Thanks so much for doing this! All kinds of video reviews out there, but not enough showing max or max effective ranges.

@welshfluteplayer 9 жыл бұрын

Germans used them in machine pistols in WW2 i could have said they were deadly even without this video but its nice to see you try it out to show it.

@5prohunter 5 жыл бұрын

Wow. Never thought 9para would be effective over a distance like that

@notbraindead7298 3 жыл бұрын

Me neither!

@jacobdurand6589 3 жыл бұрын

9mm is the perfect balance between weight and speed. I can guarantee you 45 ACP isnt even gonna make it out to 440 yards unless your aiming high. Bigger isnt always better this was a great video

@RandomGuy9 2 жыл бұрын

A self defense situation shouldn't happen at 440 yards. And in less than 10 feet bigger is better because more mass increasing the stopping power. However the difference is meaningless because both 9mm and 45acp will kill you anyway.

@scottcharney1091 10 күн бұрын

*you're

@Endlessvoidsutidos 4 жыл бұрын

also a very good reason to never mess around with even pistol rounds without a backstop one goes high it could very easily take out a super unlucky person 500 yards away great vid thanks for making this

@helenayala4802 6 жыл бұрын

How far will kill? As far as you can hit what you're aiming at... /end video series

@NaruSanavai 5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, but having that attitude is no fun.

@eds6889 5 жыл бұрын

Illusion466 ... agreed

@tjjordan8994 4 жыл бұрын

I've been hit with buckshot that felt like hail stones. Didn't even leave a mark.

@sergalcube1003 4 жыл бұрын

@@tjjordan8994 spheres have a different drag coefficient than a spinning bullet.

@Christian-rs2ht 4 жыл бұрын

TJ Jordan from how far

@bendean9716 9 жыл бұрын

Video would have been twice as good if you had a camera set up down range and over lapped the videos.

@The25thBusShow 9 жыл бұрын

pablo picasso You seem to have an extreme case of hurticus butticus.

@pablopicasso6699 9 жыл бұрын

Well....lets say, tiny disposition

@BerryTheBnnuy 9 жыл бұрын

***** He's so concerned with butts, penises, and gay people that I think he's just upset that he doesn't have a boyfriend.

@The25thBusShow 9 жыл бұрын

Jenny Tokumei Atleast he always has his dad to go back to.

@GamePhysics 9 жыл бұрын

+Ben Dean I wouldn't risk shooting my own camera. The bullets flew a bit everywhere at some of those ranges.

@raffitchakmakjian 4 жыл бұрын

@5:36 "It blew right through it like it watnt even there." WATNT. Great vid!

@bradleykecskes3846 3 жыл бұрын

AT the end of the day, no matter how hard you think you are as a human being, WE ARE SQUISHY AF!!!

@OneinthaChamber 5 күн бұрын

Haha you’re so funny TOP COMMENT! I’ve never read something so funny! Got anymore dumb shit to say?

@jimmyfeatherston3741 5 жыл бұрын

Very Interesting to know. I'm very surprised that a 9mm round would go so far with so much energy. Thank you so much!!!!!

@SirSnowman 9 жыл бұрын

440 yards with ironsight? What from the target can you see behind the sight? Amazing. 440 yards oO

@paulmiltiades6612 9 жыл бұрын

During the Marine Corps Weapons Qualification Course you are "required" to shoot 500 yard ironsight shots onto a male 6ft 3/4 silhouette . If your gun is sighted properly you do not hold the front sight OVER the target ( a MAJOR misconception in shooting) but let the target rest on top of your front sight. Imagine writing the letter"i" but sitting the dot directly on top of the line for the bottom of the "i". If your gun is sighting where you cover the target with your front sight you have it sighted incorrectly for long range shooting. There are some caveats as there are some sigh systems which are designed to cover the target like the "post and dot" sight option on Ruger Hunter Mark III's

@CZ350tuner 9 жыл бұрын

Paul Miltiades I was taught to shoot in the British Army a long time ago. One mistake trained out of recruits is to take aim with one eye shut. It causes the open eye to squint and looses the shooter depth perception. Instead we were taught to take aim with both eyes open and to superimpose the iron sight over the target. (We also used to Tippex the end vane rather than wet it with the old spit on the finger). I've no idea if the US soldiers learn to steady the left arm by always balancing full cups and drinks cans on top of the thumb of a clenched left fist whilst walking and running. It is a very old Britiah Army trick that dates back to the musket days centuries ago. The left arm aims the rifle, the right just pulls the trigger.

@rafael502 9 жыл бұрын

My you please clarify what exactly your trying to explain? I didn't understand your statement with the "i"

@michaeldenomie7561 9 жыл бұрын

440yards with iron sight? Child's play. USMC annual requalification is 200,300 & 500 yard course of fire. USMC M14 & M16 battle sight setting is 200 yards. No red dot,no laser,no holographic,no anything. Just iron sights.

@michaeldenomie7561 9 жыл бұрын

***** Sitting down at a shooting table using a gun rest firing 124gr 9mm fmj at a man sized target at 440yd is good shooting, but,not particularly impressive.

@arteondo 3 жыл бұрын

2014 still awesome. Honestly, never seen a lefty shoot right-handed as their stance choice - I need to get out more.

@kenluikart6162 2 жыл бұрын

I found the primers very hard and had misfires p365xl and Spectra. It worked well in CZ75TS orange and my p320X5. When it did shoot, it shot well! I am putting an Mcarbo Ti firing pin in my Spectra and I will let all know how it works after I shoot it! Ken Luikart, Waco, TX

@LanceCampeau 8 жыл бұрын

Well presented.... very interesting and informative to a causal observer like me.

@maybetomorrowmaybe 6 жыл бұрын

LanceCampeau yeah I loved how professional but casual it was at the same time, was informative but very entertaining and I wasn’t even interested in the video in the first place

@RJudd42 6 жыл бұрын

Wow, so casual

@ricecakeFTW 8 жыл бұрын

"proofs in the pudding...." dang, you guys cut out some work for those 9's! Thanks for the video!

@waltonwarrior7428 3 жыл бұрын

This video just gave me greater respect for the 9mm then I had before. Very impressive. BTW...all around great shooting.

@elwhastrummer 3 жыл бұрын

9mm is awesome! I have a SW mod 59, and it is amazing how far out I can shoot with it. Granted, its kinda like shooting a cannon at those distances, but certainly doable. What's really impressive about this video, is the effect on the gel torso, by the "little" 9. I don't think people realize just how lethal pistol rounds are. We're all tuned into the rifle stuff, especially the 5.56x45 and 7.62x39, not even trying the pistol until we're up close or out of rifle ammo.

@donaldoehl7690 2 жыл бұрын

When people ask for a recommendation for a pistol I (gunsmith) don't hesitate to tell them about the S&W 39/59 series. While the .45/10mm versions are scarce and pricey, the 9 & 40s are plentiful and cheap. Mags and parts are plentiful but I rarely experience problematic units beyond needing serious cleaning or refinishing. Ask any gunsmith how many they've ever had to work on.

@cultofmalgus1310 8 жыл бұрын

So imagine regular combat distances with a 9mm carbine with a 30 round mag. Not too shabby after all is it?

@wolffredd2664 4 жыл бұрын

Philip Freeman do you need the tax stamp and special license to own a 10.5 inch pistol? I want one so badly I just don’t know the laws and can’t find anything online that’s clear about it

@marcusreese4309 7 жыл бұрын

Nicely done! You answered every question I had. Thank you.

@BosleyBeats 4 жыл бұрын

Chad has and always will be an amazing shooter. His accuracy is scary af

@Internaught-The-Wise 2 жыл бұрын

Chad is a imbecile try hard. And always has been

@niko714 3 жыл бұрын

I remember telling many friends that I would shoot full size silhouettes at 100 yards while in the USAF and most didn’t believe me. Great video

@ArtisanTony 10 жыл бұрын

Nice video guys!

@ccl3361 5 жыл бұрын

Thank you! I was thinking about the 22 LR guns. You have just changed my decision.

@dylanhulen4855 3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely awesome video! Very informative and you guys are amazing shooters. You earned my subscription immediately after watching. Great comments too!

@craigm3011 Жыл бұрын

Considering I’m in Southern California, Idk where enough open shooting land even exists to where I could try shooting that far. Best I can do is watch these videos and if I get lucky, dream about it when I sleep.

@MattsplatsGunReviews 10 жыл бұрын

Excellent video. Very informative. Nicely done.

@octanegreen926 10 жыл бұрын

Woah, hey Mattsplat! I love your videos!

@64impala64impala 9 жыл бұрын

oh i love that kel tec sub 2000

@batmandeltaforce 4 жыл бұрын

I helped design a bullet proof brief case. In testing the material we used we tested EVERYTHING. The ONLY non-high velocity round we tested that penetrated the material was 9mm :) A 44 mag would not, but a 9mm would... amazing:)

@MissionaryInMexico 3 жыл бұрын

One of our officers responded to a mass shooter call, the guy went through a hospital killing employees. The officer caught him walking outside between buildings, got down on one knee, supported his left elbow on his upper knee, and shot and missed. 67 yards. Second shot, hit the shooters arm. Third shot, he dropped the projectile into the top of the shooters head, killing him instantly. The officer had trouble with it, and quit. Went homeless and eventually returned to work but in Homeland Security Investigations. I personally have hit targets as far out as 100 yards with a 9mm pistol. Pie plate size target. But, I have the Double Expert Marksman device, so I'm going to hit what I aim at. I agree with this video, don't knock the 9mm. It's plenty for what you need.

@1crimm 10 жыл бұрын

Good Stuff as always

@Carl007Jr 7 жыл бұрын

Eric and Chad - A suggestion for another video: Could you do this test for the 7.62x39? It's a fairly contested round in terms of effective range, and varies greatly with trajectory/being able to estimate trajectory. Hope I'm making sense. Great video! Very useful! Liked! 👍🇺🇸

@billycrash9651 4 жыл бұрын

Where have you guys been, thanx for the informatively fun, Semper Fi!

@fred-id3vj 3 жыл бұрын

Y’all’s test fires are super informative, heard it said before 9mm’s & 357magnums are not that far apart, this proves it

@ShareTheLightTV 10 жыл бұрын

*If you haven't seen it already, here's some great info regarding the 9mm*

@SergioBocanegra 10 жыл бұрын

i miss good old berry he wished that someone would still be poping lead after hes gone well he got what he wanted

@5upgunplay551 3 жыл бұрын

My SHTF load out is ALL 9mm. I have several 556 300 6.8mm battle rifles. But my grab and go is a self built spikes tactical 10.5 AR9 with glock19 /9mm and a backup custom Grey ghost 9mm. 540 rounds of 9mm all interchangeable glock 34 round mags. Tigres molle chest rig. 3 day assault pack w/ camelBak wtr. 7days worth of 25 shelve life dry food. I picked 9mm over the rest because of the interchangeable Mags and how versatile it is. Better than carrying 5.56 and 9mm and 45. That way all Mags and AMMO run on all the different platforms I'm carrying.

@ufarkingicehole 3 жыл бұрын

1 inch group at 200 yds with a 5in pistol...... holy crap!!!! Definently one of the top shots on youtube...

@darenjones8766 7 жыл бұрын

I bet it will kill at almost any range if you could get it to hit in the right place

@FungusMossGnosis 7 жыл бұрын

Good. I need to hit at 238,900 miles. That man in the moon is pissing me off.

@Redridge07 5 жыл бұрын

@Samuel Rosenberg its not the speed on the moon you have to worry about .. its the relative speed of the earth to the moon. The moon takes 27 days to make one trip around the Earth. However, the earth rotates every 24hrs back to the moon.

@Redridge07 5 жыл бұрын

@Samuel Rosenberg .. not sure the orbit speed is the on to worry about in the fake shooting the moon example. The earth and the moon are in the same orbital sphere from a relative orbital perspective. The difference is the rotational speeds of the moon to the earth. The earth is rotating much faster than the moon (1,038 mph vs. 282 mph). The moon takes 27 days to orbit around the earth.

@Hotshotter3000 10 жыл бұрын

The whole 9mm vs .45 ACP is honestly a waste of time. Gunshot wounds are too unpredictable to make any definitive claim as to which has the best effect. For the 110 years of both calibers existence (as well as many others) there hasn't been anything to prove the superiority over others. There have been people who dropped as a result of a single .45 ACP round, true, but the same is true for 9mm, .40 S&W, .38 special/.357 magnum, .32 and .380 ACP, and countless other rounds. There have also been many cases of people being shot 4 or 5 times with .45 ACP or .455 Webley (an older revolver round) and kept going like nothing happened. Bullet placement and the psychology of the person being shot are far bigger factors. A hardened criminal or drug crazed individual will likely shrug off shots that might incapacitate a faint hearted individual. Another interesting fact is this: In some impoverished third world nations where people have never seen movies of people falling after one shot, those people were actually more likely to keep going after being shot. The reason is that their brains weren't conditioned by all the movies and TV that showed people going 'oh no, I've been shot, I must go down now'.

@TheWoundChannel 10 жыл бұрын

10mm beeyotch!

@Germfish 10 жыл бұрын

It's shot placement above all else, not caliber. But I want high capacity and something that penetrates, 45acp isn't that. I like hot rounds, I want as much velocity as possible. .40 .357SIG, but I carry 9mm because it's comfortable and convenient. When the lead is flying both ways and your heart rate is jacked and adrenaline pumping, high round counts will matter. What if you're up against multiple shooters? And you have a 7 round single stack 45acp, good luck.

@harryharry3193 10 жыл бұрын

and in the US PHILIPPINE WAR.....they would keep coming with the .38 caliber. then the .45 acp was designed. ask Police officers, how many times crazed criminals did NOT go down with the 9MM. 5.56 dont drop Afghanistanis all the time either Penetration isnt the answer. Hitting the target is important, and placement. Ill leave the rest to the Plethora of experts.

@Hotshotter3000 10 жыл бұрын

Harry Crete The .45 ACP came too late. It was the .45 LC with older Peacemaker revolvers that actually had a bigger impact. I should also mention during the Philippine war, the natives were also quite adept at shrugging off rifle fire. If your rifle ain't doing much good, your pistol isn't going to have much effect, either.

@robf3902 10 жыл бұрын

Harry Crete Yes this is true.. but WAYYYYY back then the 9mm bullet was crap.. back then having more bullet was important.. Most police depts are in fact switching back to the 9mm ( and many have in the last 3 years ) the 40 has more recoil and in split moment decisions shot placement is more important -- there are too many stories of guys getting shot by a .45 a .40 or a 9mm where many shots are needed. There are just as many where someone places a single shot from a .9mm ( or even a small 22 ) accurately for a one shot one kill. There is no magic bullet in pistols ( or even rifles - but a .308 can come close ) -...Shot placement is MOST important in any caliber. If you want stopping power in the 95th percentile folks you need a 12 guage double ought buck - several large steel balls hitting a single person at the same time - hitting with MORE power then several .45 magnum rounds hitting at the same time - inflicting more damage and bigger wounds - hitting with much more knock down force and pain. Guys have died getting shot with bird shot from a 12g - even birdshot will likely kill you you at close range - say 5 meters ( 15 feet ) .it'll disintigrate flesh at this range making a large wound that is both painful and bleeds out very very quickly..