KelTec Sub 2000 VS Smith & Wesson FPC

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@rickh9396 11 ай бұрын

Eric was too modest to mention that he used the KelTec Sub 2000 to hit two targets at 440 yards with iron sights (in "How Far Will a 9mm Kill?").

@SuperD00D 8 ай бұрын

Now it all makes sense why I remembered the name Keltec Sub 2000… lol Fun fact: If you shoot Underwood’s .40 S&W 135 GR JHP in the Sub-2000, it hits 935 foot pounds of energy 😱

@BoopSnoot 2 ай бұрын

They just released a Gen 3 Sub2K that has a rotating front stock to address the folding issue. For Gen2 there were folding and angled optics to get out of the way of folding mechanism.

@timd729 2 ай бұрын

@@BoopSnoot Or you can buy a cheap offset mount for under $10. Either way works

@thomasfox8027 11 ай бұрын

Hope you know how appreciated all your hard work is, Eric. Your dedication to 2A makes a huge difference. I even joined GOA because of you! Just wanted to say thanks.

@p99t0013 11 ай бұрын

The M*Carbo sight mount takes a red dot, and easily flips out of the way when you need for fold the rifle. Very well done piece. They make a bunch of S2K accessories that are almost essential.

@tylerlane6707 11 ай бұрын

I believe midwest industries also makes such a mount

@theGunPapi 11 ай бұрын

I got my father the mcarbo mount, and it is awesome.

@youngsmitty2325 11 ай бұрын

Is it worth the 200 dollars though ?

@p99t0013 11 ай бұрын

@@youngsmitty2325 Mine was only 99.95, got it when they first came out. They are $150 now. Steep, but that's the cost of quality.

@alejandrogonzales7022 11 ай бұрын

MCarbo should make a butstock replacement that holds a spare mag or two. Not sure if it would work with how the charging handle works, though

@bradleyboots687 11 ай бұрын

I love the ket-tec because it is skinny. It hides in a very full backpack without adding extra bulk.

@donalddicorcia2433 9 ай бұрын

This. The flat form factor when folded allows the sub 2k to slide easily into and out of the laptop sleeve of a daypack.

@delta_4209 11 ай бұрын

I got sad and nostalgic at the same time watching Barry Rock out with the gen 1 ❤ nice review Eric keep the great videos coming!

@tbrowniscool 9 ай бұрын

Same I miss his stories and wisdom

@jimcoleman3053 11 ай бұрын

Love my KelTec! Super fun gun.

@GotTheTeeShirt1 11 ай бұрын

Heck yeah! Love my gen1

@rudder727 11 ай бұрын

You can't beat the 4.5 pound empty weight.

@rodgershamblin3075 11 ай бұрын

Now a 10MM would be awesome

@HILLBILLY_HARD 11 ай бұрын

I want one in a 44 magnum! I love my sub2k in 9mm but imagine it in 44 magnum 😎

@timd729 2 ай бұрын

It would blow up, mostly plastic😊

@MrLucht 11 ай бұрын

Thanks for the content Eric. Been watching the channel since I first got into guns 10 years ago!

@Metalgearmadness 11 ай бұрын

If you own Glocks - get a Kel Tec. If you own a lot of MP series pistols get the S&W. I picked up my Kel Tech G2 with Glock mag compatibility for 300 beans and did a bunch of MCarbo upgrades on it and its a blast to shoot.

@dangerdylan5005 11 ай бұрын

What if you have both?

@Metalgearmadness 11 ай бұрын

Then you get the power of free choice :)

@Oldman650 11 ай бұрын

There's a multi-mag version that can be adapted to several different mag brands.

@sociopathmercenary 2 ай бұрын

I have the FPC, Ruger PCC, and the Sub-2000. I enjoy all of them but don't detail strip the sub. That interior is Nerf gun quality.

@glocksanchez7616 11 ай бұрын

I like how you said you’d do this and actually did it. Really enjoyed the video Erik you have a great day 👍🏼

@thedude7726 11 ай бұрын

That old barry footage got me right in the feels.

@nosyarg1997 11 ай бұрын

I actually got a notification for once.

@thomasfox8027 11 ай бұрын

Same! Actually 2 from this channel at once!

@Art790631 11 ай бұрын

Same. Doesn't usually happen.

@skydivingcomrade1648 11 ай бұрын

Didn't, but this is much better than expected

@Performancebuilder-zp8jr 11 ай бұрын

Never get one

@65Grndl 11 ай бұрын

I'm not getting any notifications from any gun channels. Weirdly I get notifications from Garand Thumb?..

@markyoung2981 11 ай бұрын

Thank you for your time and effort posting this very interesting and informative video.

@berniestraight126 11 ай бұрын

Thank you Eric honestly done as usual.

@alejandrogonzales7022 11 ай бұрын

Giving this a thumbs up before I even watch it. I already know it's going to be good info. I'm a big fan of the Sub2k. I have a gen2. Looking forward to checking out the S&W offering some time soon

@Titan_Moss37 11 ай бұрын

I own multiple keltec’s and they all work quite well.

@HoangDuong-mi4ow 4 ай бұрын

any experience with the RBD?

@bigboybobbousmc 9 ай бұрын

Dang I haven’t seen your videos in years, KZfaq just stopped putting them in my feed. I went thru and liked a few to get you back in my play list

@NA-jc1qr 10 ай бұрын

This is by far the best comparison video🙌👏

@bumpercoach 11 ай бұрын

really well done... appreciate the pros/cons of both

@earlyblackmz 11 ай бұрын

I have both and love them both! My sub 2000 is set up for M&P mags , so I can bring both to the range and interchange the mags.

@gearhead366 5 ай бұрын

Your summary of the utilitarian nature of Kel-Tecs is spot on. I had a P11. It served it's purpose, but I didn't enjoy shooting it.

@Agueybana55 11 ай бұрын

The Keltec 2000 with the Mcarbo package is amazing.

@chriskirsten8221 11 ай бұрын

I have a .40 sub2000, I absolutely LOVE mine - very compact and very accurate

@eyesnearstactical 11 ай бұрын

Solid review like usual! 👍🏾

@byteblok 11 ай бұрын

Just got my S&W FPC last friday. Haven't shot it yet, can't wait.

@AzazelCain 11 ай бұрын

Always good to see ya

@billshepherd4331 11 ай бұрын

Always great to see Barry!

@davidcraft4462 11 ай бұрын

I been running the FPC for a couple of months and love it! The only down is the bolt release. Almost impossible to use but easily overcome through using the charging handle!

@ronolson2024 11 ай бұрын

I bought a Gen 2 KelTec Sub 2000 and put a side mount with a top swivel optic adapter on it. I believe at the time it cost around $75. I put a Sig Romeo 5 red dot optic on it and it has kept zero every time I take it out & shoot it. Overall I am pleased with the way it shoots, and is very accurate. I also put on MCarbo's sleeve over the tubular frame as well as the spongy washer in the back of the bolt carrier to lessen recoil. Glad to see other manufacturers coming out with their own models. The more the merrier!

@Acts-hv8bh 11 ай бұрын

The MCARBO optic actually resolved the folding issue regarding the optics for the Keltec sub 2000. Honestly I can't believe that both you and Honest Outlaw, have never reviewed a MCARBO Keltec sub 2000.

@SkipsTinyBeard 11 ай бұрын

For sure. I picked up my sub2k and upgraded with all mcarbo parts. It's night and day. From the buffer upgrades, feed ramp, rear sight post, trigger, muzzle break, steel internals, mag release, etc... I and it's probably comparable in price to the SW now. I picked my gen2 up a couple years back for $350. Completely different, and very reliable pcc. There needs to be an mcarbo/keltec v SW side by side review. Iraq won't do it though.

@DavidBowiesCock 10 ай бұрын

I picked up an aftermarket swinging optic mount for $99. Feels rock solid, solves the problem but does hurt the poverty tier value proposition

@clark2245 8 ай бұрын

One point about the KelTec Sub 2000 gen2 is a Glock 17 round mag fits flush and you get a smaller folded profile than he showed using a larger mag. Carry folded with a 17 round mag in it for the minimum profile and larger mags can be brought along in case needed.

@Bobbyo60 11 ай бұрын

I have always been a S&W man. I have a M&P AR-15 Sport 2, which I absolutely love. Being an old man I have the M&P EZ in 9mm and .380 for cc. , and a 40 caliber for nightstand defense. I’m thinking the FPC is going to be a birthday present this year.

@user-rb9oo7tc2x 11 ай бұрын

I had to have one...

@thomashoffman5745 7 ай бұрын

I don't like the S&W FPC at all. While I will say that out of the box the FPC is a better gun, modifications can make the sub2K better than the FPC will even be. Also, the FPC is just clunkier IMHO.

@ThePolareyes53 5 ай бұрын

You wont regret buying the FPC.

@terryquinlan499 2 ай бұрын

I feel you brother...turn 60 in july...and I basically have the same setup...45 instead of 40...rock on.

@matthewgrice6902 10 ай бұрын

Thanks for the video Eric. Very informative. If it were only for me I might try the KelTech, but as I am older my guns will go to family members eventually. They are not as gun savvy, so not able to quickly fix a problem. So I think the Smith & Wesson would be my choice even though initial cost is higher.

@ernestoo8309 8 ай бұрын

I did put a red dot on an extended picatinny on my Keltec with a quick detach. Then I got me the FPC and just because of the ergonomics, I know I'll be putting more rounds through the FPC. It is my opinion that a shooter will have better results if he/she is more comfortable with using a firearm... Great comparison! Thanks

@homerbenitez6431 8 ай бұрын

Hi Eric , I didn’t recognize you at first lol, but anyway thanks for reviewing this gun

@Pappy7064 11 ай бұрын

Red Lion Forend for the Sub2K allows you to rotate the forend so the optic is on the side or bottom when you fold it. Best accessory for the Sub2K

@agiolito 11 ай бұрын

But $179? Way too expensive for an accessory.

@waynesmith699 11 ай бұрын

I own the 9mm Keltec Sub 2000 gen 2, then added a laser sight to the bottom rail... with a pressure switch. I use Glock 19's 15 round magazines so it doesn't extend below the pistol grip. Handy truck gun.... and very accurate.

@moehosko 9 ай бұрын

Probably good to point out the Midwest Industries rotatable optic mount for the gen 2 Sub 2000 that lets you fold the rifle with an optic that has the Aimpoint micro thread pattern. I've ran one for awhile and while I haven't done any hardcore testing on return to zero repeatability, it easily hits steel at 300. EDIT: Midwest also has a picatinny version. MCarbo also has a plate that mounts to the frame of the sub 2000 that lets you mount an optic that flips to the side similar to Eotech or other manufacturer magnifiers

@LarryParamedic1 3 ай бұрын

Solid information, Thank You very much.

@NoahMudge 11 ай бұрын

I mounted a 45 deg offset for a pistol dot near the front site post on my sub2k. Use a holosun 507c on it and it still folds and locks. I love the set up.

@cbroz7492 11 ай бұрын

..where did you get that offset sight...and is there one available for the rear sight???

@NoahMudge 11 ай бұрын

@@cbroz7492 it’s a 45 deg offset for a pistol red dot. So no rear sight

@cbroz7492 11 ай бұрын

@NoahMudge ...thanks. where'd you get that base???

@4StonesHandcraft 9 ай бұрын

@@cbroz7492 My local gun shop ordered a good quality one for me but sorry, can’t remember the brand. A cheap one from Amazon bent as I tightened it down on the rail- a waste of money. Edit- I think the good one was Tru-Glo.

@Art790631 11 ай бұрын

I'm a Smith guy anyway. Works well for me and my wife loves shooting it.

@ashleypowers2421 11 ай бұрын

I have the Sub 2000. MCarbo sells an optic mount that folds out of the way for $125. Kel-tec has $100 off until about 4/24. PSA has the Keltec for $375. Suppressors make the Sub 2000 cycle too fast. Flow-through work fine.

@tomnguyen1671 11 ай бұрын

I have FPC in last couple months ago . I love that

@codyjenn8785 11 ай бұрын

Thank you for the awesome gun video brother I have a keltec sub 2000 gen 2 the one that takes glock 17 magazines and I bought the mcarbo stainless steel feed ramp for my kel tec sub 2000 gen 2 I think these carbines are awesome and I am in sdi and I can't wait till I build an ar9 that will be awesome.

@billsmith8739 11 ай бұрын

Had Sub 2000 first gen in 40 S&W. Hated it and not because of being in 40S&W. When out and got a Ruger PC carbine in 40 S&W. Love it it!! Sure is was more $$$$ but worth it.

@christiandulaney1638 9 ай бұрын

Ive got a 2nd Gen Sub2K in 40. Its a perfect backpack/truck gun. You definitely need a super low cheek weld to use the factory sites, but it is very easy to point shoot at 25 yards and consistently hit A/B zone

@doubletap3524 Ай бұрын

The GEN 3 sub 2000 allows it to be turned and folded side ways allowing you to keep optics mounted.

@yorkiepit 25 күн бұрын

The new GEN 3 Kel Tec Sub 2000 finally got the folding with optics sorted out. The S&W is nice, but I have 15 Glock mags, no interest in being forced to use S&W' magazines.

@charlesjames5477 5 ай бұрын

you all should do a part 2 with the keltec sub2000 gen 3 vs sw fpc would be a 🔥 video

@justinkase1360 6 ай бұрын

There is a gen 3 Sub-2000 now, do you have a video on it? It was nice to see Barry again in this video, RIP.

@hornyducks4090 11 ай бұрын

The FPC is the clear winner, its just a better in every way

@Sirgromulus 11 ай бұрын

I concur. The FPC also doesn't have plastic trigger linkage components like the Kel-Tec.

@hornyducks4090 11 ай бұрын

@Sirgromulus not to mention the subpar plastics and no folding optic. I think the charging handle is the only thing the keltec has above it.

@steveh9714 3 ай бұрын

Gen 3 changes all that. And if you are already rocking Glock mags?

@maxwelledison03 2 ай бұрын

@@steveh9714This.

@danaboatman954 9 ай бұрын

Really good review.

@cbroz7492 11 ай бұрын

.. Great seeing that short clip of Barry at the beginning..R I P Barry

@matthewenis 11 ай бұрын

Me and my brother in law wad debating this just the other day glad you made this video!

@JerzeyJoe 11 ай бұрын

I have the bell rung and I haven't seen a post from you in weeks. I have a lot of videos to catch up on now.

@joshuamiller812 8 ай бұрын

I have and like both guns as they are both as accurate. However I did purchase the MCarbo model Sub2000 which was custom setup to me with all their upgrades and their folding scope mount which work great and holds zero.

@curtrobinson6883 8 ай бұрын

I’ve had my S2K for over a year. I carry it on my 4wheeler and it doesn’t take any room at all. A great and easy gun to shoot. This video was a nice comparison for both. Some people just like a single brand of gun. This video showed there is more than one chicken in the coop.😊

@rwsmith7638 11 ай бұрын

A company does make an optic mount for the Kel Tec which folds out of the way so that it closes, but it is expensive.

@outbackeddie 9 ай бұрын

I'm curious about the trigger pull on each carbine. Did you happen to measure the trigger pull? Which trigger was smoother? Which trigger did you prefer?

@TheFoxalot 3 ай бұрын

Love the homage to Barry! Good times!

@davidgoodnow269 9 ай бұрын

Something I am surprised I don't see more often: I favor riveting a couple of metal spring clips to the fore and aft on the Keltec forend to hold a spare 33-round magazine either side, and attach a short section of Picatinney 1913 rail to the side of the recoil tube to store a QD mounted Red Dot sight for storage. I favor keeping a sling with a magazine pouch on it, and taping a single round to the receiver by the ejection port, providing a cheap and handy travel and storage package with one hundred rounds of ready ammunition. Because a good QD mounted sight doesn't lose zero in storage and is only a few seconds to move, it gives a good alternative to the factory sights. Adding a flashlight under the barrel is a very practical finishing addition, and all pretty inexpensive. The butt storage for M&P magazines gives the S&W carbine a similar ability, and it doesn't require relocating the sight for storage. Bulk ends up being similar. I think the S&W recoil spring is even heavier, but I don't see much difference practically between the two. The real questions are accuracy, and price, and availability. Of course an integral suppressor is the dream!

@georgeaura 11 ай бұрын

Couldn't you put a folding sight mount on the keltec so it can still fold with a sight on it?

@Shannonmoore3000 2 ай бұрын

Nice non bias review. Very good explanations of both guns with pros and cons. I like both guns and like you, I think both have their place depending on what you're doing with them. Both make great truck guns. I am a smith and Wesson fan, however I do really like the keltec! I also believe that not every gun needs an optic to be an effective self defense or pinker. Everyone has different options and that's mine. Thanks again for the great comparison. Looking forward to more videos.

@RandomWrongDeletion 11 ай бұрын

The fact you can keep your optic on the S&W makes it head and shoulders a better design than the keltec, but if you already shoot glocks the sub2k is an easy choice.

@GaboonViper67 2 ай бұрын

That advantage disappears with the Kel-Tec Sub 2000 Gen3, which has a rotating barrel, and is still twice as skinny in a pack.

@maxwelledison03 2 ай бұрын

You can keep an optic on the Kel Tec...

@RandomWrongDeletion 2 ай бұрын

@@maxwelledison03 Wow you’re a genius, thanks for letting us all finally know Maxwell!

@Mark-kj3hy Ай бұрын

Question. My gen 2 charging handle is so hard to pull back that getting it into the locking position, I need to.put firearm down and use everything I got to move it. Is this normal?? Thank you

@aaronbatog8461 7 ай бұрын

I have the FPC and it’s a great gun couple hundred rounds threw it and no problems and shoots damn good. I like it better than the ruger carbine

@surfingredneck1060 9 ай бұрын

Eric.. How are those Taran Tactical mag extensions working out on the FPC?? Assuming you put it on the 17 round mag vs 23??

@crxtodd16 7 ай бұрын

Ive got a fold away mount for the red dot sight on my 2nd gen sub2000. It works great, BUT it certainly takes up more room. I dont like to take it hiking anymore after installing the sight. That said, I'd almost rather take the Smith and Wesson FPC... But do they make it in .40?

@Theophilus1968 11 ай бұрын

I love my KT gen. II ! One of my cheapest guns but my kids love it & I’ll never get rid of it.

@kynerclay8114 8 ай бұрын

That gen 1 that you painted looks amazing. It has the same look as toy guns from the 50s and 60s. I'm jealous, how many rounds do you think you have through that thing?

@brandonmickel9967 6 ай бұрын

If you really like the sub 2000, you can get a swing adapter for your red dot. Someone from my club added that to his. Swing it out of the way to close and lock it in place went open. However, I got a great deal on my S&W FPC.

@fargoalspach557 5 ай бұрын

Glad I found this my friend wanted me to look at the smith before I bought the sub2k . I still am opting for the simplistic design of the Kel-Tec and they do come out with pretty cool designs gotta give respect when it’s due. When I heard they were giving them away to Ukraine I was a little disappointed and sent a email asking if they would send me a free one in which today is an unanswered email lol.

@bmxdoe 7 ай бұрын

I like that the fpc has a non reciprocating charging handle since I shoot left handed. It's more convenient

@brando104 11 ай бұрын

Mention Eric you can run a optic on the sub-2000 and still folded up there's a company that makes them out for it and it's actually a really robust malament very nice that you can fold your optic over almost like what a magnifier mounting option

@steven3379 8 ай бұрын

Good video, does the FPC use the same mags as the CSX pistol.?

@denmar355 11 ай бұрын

Buds Gun Shop has been selling the gen2 Keltec for $299. Much cheaper than the S&W. I got the Ruger PCC at a great price, and like it more than the S&W, because the folding ability doesn’t impress me. Shoots fantastic with a Sig Romeo dot.

@stanleygerard4319 10 ай бұрын

Kel tecs i looked at were all in the 5 to 6 hundred dollar range. never have seen one as cheap as this guy says they are

@maxwelledison03 2 ай бұрын

@@stanleygerard4319Got my Gen 2 , a box of HPs and 3 magazines for $275 out the door. They dropped the Gen 3 a while ago, so Gen 2s are getting objectively cheaper.

@thomasfox8027 11 ай бұрын

I can happily say i own and love both! That being said, i absolutely give the edge to the Smith and Wesson on several levels. Not the least of which it points and shoots much more naturally. Okay, i will shut up and actually watch the video now. Lol

@williamreilly1165 9 ай бұрын

Eric, Look up McCarbo’s video on their Sub2000 modifications including their fabulous optic mount. Their mods make the gun more robust and a better platform all around.

@k98killer 8 ай бұрын

Small/flush fitting magazine for storage and 33-round fun stick as a reload. Pretty unlikely that you'll ever need to reload it in a defensive scenario, but it's a good option.

@TheFarmoury 3 ай бұрын

Walked into my local gunshop last week and they had the FPC and the gen 3 side by side. Gen 3 was $800 and the FPC was a grand (Canadian) I walked out with the FPC as I already had a keltec gen 2. I absolutely love the FPC. I definitely prefer it to the keltec

@nelsonstrickland8813 Ай бұрын

Gen 3 model fixed all the minor hiccups such as the front half can twist left or right before folding,so optics are no problem..

@Blankford777 11 ай бұрын

For us M&P guys the FPC is a no-brainer. I threw a Sig green dot on mine and added a 3-lug and it’s a tac driver. Very accurate.

@mbmann3892 11 ай бұрын

Yeah I only own two guns . Both S&W. So the FPC is a my only real option

@charlesjames5477 5 ай бұрын

that sig green dot with ar flip up sights makes it bad ass i love my fpc its great back pack gun

@BennyNuttz 9 ай бұрын

I just wanted to say Semper Fi. Thank you. Remember we are all family us Americans. So that would make you my brother and my family is yours too.

@deejayimm 11 ай бұрын

You can find 45 degree pic rail adapters that look like a ladder (they fit between the rail slots and sit flush) This makes it easy to slap a pistol dot on a sub2k and still fold it.

@leberwurststulle2208 11 ай бұрын

what about a low profile canted red dot mount and compact red dot for the gen 2? could be a promising combination :)

@matthewsalomone3800 11 ай бұрын

Great content.

@smoke33325 7 ай бұрын

How could you dismiss the folding mount on the S2K? Makes one wonder right?

@brianfolding40 22 күн бұрын

I bought a S2K Gen 2 in .40 S&W, that can run the same mags as my issued .40 S&W M&P pistol, which was gifted to me by my police agency when I retired. I immediately outfitted it with a bolt tube cover, better iron sights, M-lok covers and plan on a red/green dot optic (mounted on a Midwest Industries mount). In my opinion, this PCC almost demands an optic to help with felt recoil from the bolt tube resting on your cheek. Although it's not perfect, the ability to carry a pistol and rifle that uses the same mags is hard to beat. If I didn't already have the M&P pistol, I might've gone a different route.

@johnweaver7456 7 ай бұрын

I tried to use my equalizer and shield plus magazines in this in the f. C. P and they did not work

@anthonytruscello7669 11 ай бұрын

I’m starting to realize beardless Eric wasn’t a dream… He’s real and here to stay! Like a 2A approved Freddie Krueger, he haunts my dreams with mirages of SBR’s and Transferable Machine Guns.

@mountainshootingrangevlog 11 ай бұрын

Love You Eric Sir 😇😎✌

@timshapleyadventures 4 ай бұрын

Great video… wish you had addressed the trigger on the S&W…?

@mikelllively5665 2 ай бұрын

I actually saw a video of a guy running an optic on his Sub2k here somewhere on KZfaq in the short clips but to be able to do so & also fold it properly (as he did) you’d just need an offset picatinny rail mount from Amazon & the ability to adjust shooting in tact stance I guess lol

@mongoose9385 11 ай бұрын

Might of missed the question/comment, is the S&W almost all composite like the S2k? I've been thinking of upgrading to it because I'm not a real big fan of how much plastics KelTec uses in their tools...

@HILLBILLY_HARD 11 ай бұрын

It’s heavier than the sub2k. It still has polymer on it but it’s definitely built with a little more steel!