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@bikeman9899 Жыл бұрын

Every independent nation must be able to defend itself. Irish ppl agree on that, surely? Else, what was the point of Independence from Britain 100 years ago? Even Ireland, with its fortuitous geography, has to be able to defend its national territory. If not, why have an army, navy or air corps in the first place? If ppl.can agree, some defense is needed, which is national policy, then the question is how much defense? Enough that Ireland doesn't have to call the RAF when Russian bombers enter Irish airspace. Enough naval power to ensure the Russian war ships off Donegal, Cork and Galway don't sabotage the sub sea cables. Every other neutral country is armed to the teeth and able to defend themselves, e.g Sweden, Switzerland, Austria. Ireland is a complete oddity in the developed world in defense matters. I am saying, to be a fully sovereign, independent nation, the ability to defend yourself is part of the package. Sanctimonious self congratulations on UN peace keeping efforts is masking the reality that the country is effectively defenseless. As one of the speakers correctly said, freeloading. Shameful.

@sterlingarcher2366 Жыл бұрын

Off you pop. Send us pictures from the battlefield. Oh brave warrior of the Keys. What warzone have you been in? Sorry I assumed you had experience in war. You ran your mouth like you do. I think a new rule is you and people like you along with your sons brothers and nephews should be put to a front line. I mean, you wouldn't have any objections? Surely that would be hypocritical?

@bikeman9899 Жыл бұрын

@Sterling Archer By your logic then, IRL should have no army or navy and be defenseless. Are you an idealistic dreamer with no actual solutions then?

@benfloyd6567 Жыл бұрын

(RAF a member of NATO) patroling our aerospace and you state we are neutral . get a grip

@ofeyofey Жыл бұрын

Be neutral if you want but put your money where your mouth is and pay for it. You can't rely on the US, Britain or NATO to help us. If we're so mature then act it and stand on your own two feet. We have to pay for our neutrality 2 or 3 % of our 504 billion would be about 10 billion. if you're going to spend so much why not join NATO, your money goes a lot further. Neutrality isn't a free ride. I think neutrality made sense when the country was developing but not now as a mature state we need to take our place among the nations of the world.

@eleanorcoughlan5543 Жыл бұрын

Neutral countries who don't medal in other countries concerns don't usually have problems FACTS do some research.

@Billy8010 Жыл бұрын

There was a High court case (Horgan V. Ireland, I think) where the court decided that the use of Shannon by the U.S. military beached our neutrality but was legal with the permission of the Dáil. Anybody who feels we should help Ukraine is free to go there and fight themselves.

@mrcoconut1148 Жыл бұрын

How could we ever be neutral. Ireland depends on Anerica for its factories and the EU for all its money it gives us

@janeeire2439 Жыл бұрын

And britain for it’s language.

@cagliari5984 Жыл бұрын

@@janeeire2439 you can’t be dependant on a language? If you’re trying to say we speak your language you might want to refresh your history as to why… your surname is beautiful

@aodhanodonnell2148 Жыл бұрын

The americans owe us more in 2023 than we ever did to america, multi-billion dollar companies who set up here for tax breaks, and yes we should have outright refused to allow american military jets from using shannon airport,

@eleanorcoughlan5543 Жыл бұрын

Ireland is not dependent on American the other way around we fought for our independence not to fight Americans proxy wars that American citizens disagree with American is only 1 of 4 in the world

@seannamadra5675 Жыл бұрын

Lisa "unvoted" Chambers lost her seat then gets a Senator post??

@adelsonvelskylandis Жыл бұрын

"We have the luxury of geography. We are not positioned where the Estonians are positioned. We haven't had the same historical experience." - Right, Ireland has the luxury of geography to not be positioned right next to a larger country which would invade and take some of its territory. I think(???)

@genderl Жыл бұрын

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@seannamadra5675 Жыл бұрын

We had neighbours who hated us for Centuries so think on that?

@johnboy14 Жыл бұрын

There's nothing more pointless than war.

@user-ey8qk2zh7h 9 ай бұрын

I was born in England. No blame there, I also have dual UK/Eire nationality. Brits don't hate the Irish, (except a few brain dead morons, 10 a penny any where you go) if anything the exact opposite is true@@seannamadra5675

@mynameonly8991 Жыл бұрын

When did the Republic of Ireland become so trigger happy?

@jonoessex Жыл бұрын

It supported a thirty year war in the North of it's island. It's been trigger-happy for a long time!

@daithi9100 Жыл бұрын

We need out of the EU an throw all politicians out as well,this is the way.

@hippy1922 Жыл бұрын

Why do we need our of the EU?

@bikeman9899 Жыл бұрын

Crackpot suggestion.

@clover1475 Жыл бұрын

Ireland 🇮🇪 must stay neutral

@charleskristiansson1296 Жыл бұрын

Yes! Sweden will regret giving hers up?

@eleanorcoughlan5543 Жыл бұрын

NATO today will take you to war that the whole idea of NATO Americas international army.

@saveliyfilistovich 10 ай бұрын

Neutrality just means taking the evil's side

@clover1475 10 ай бұрын

@@saveliyfilistovich No it's not and here's why the definition of neutrality is not supporting or helping either side in a conflict, disagreement etc, from the Oxford university dictionary 😂

@saveliyfilistovich 10 ай бұрын

@@clover1475 by refusing to fight evil, you support it

@johnwilliams5838 Жыл бұрын

Neutrality is just so you don't have to fight.

@aodhanodonnell2148 Жыл бұрын

Not true, there are some circumstances it's indefensible not to fight, but peace is more desirable,

@patboland1650 Жыл бұрын

We can always depend on the Black and Tans to defend us.....come out ye black and tans come and fight FOR US if ye can!!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@davidmccarter9479 Жыл бұрын

Has Ireland no self respect? Switzerland , Sweden and Finland have all been neutral for decades but they have always had a real defence capability. Their guns have always pointed east. Ireland is positively gushing about the EU project. Totally aligned. But Ireland has never had any meaningful defence capability. No need? NATO will come to our aid. Austria is neutral as a result of agreement for the withdrawal of Soviet troops in the nineteen fifties. That is different. But even that has now run its course. That guy ,in the video supporting neutrality like it is a religious cult , basically is saying invasion of a non threatening state by an authoritarian predator is none of Ireland’s business……militarily. He is saying in effect, “We support you but we are not going to help.” This is truly pathetic.

@ciaranloughran9314 Жыл бұрын

But like me and the majority of the Irish people believe we have no reason to get involved in the affairs of mainland Europe. Ireland has been the historically punching bag for Britain with constant invasions and genocides and now that we have true freedom for the first time in hundreds of years we should focus on our country and no other. And why I do think we should invest more in our navel sector of the military it should be only to protect Irish waters

@newsreel493namics Жыл бұрын

From: Patrick McCarthy. It is of my understanding that perhaps the issue of neutrality in Ireland is so very complex, knowing that PEACE is not an easy word of definition: Yes? The bible tells us " Blessed are the peacemakers ... , and " To every thing there is a season ... a time for war ... a time for peace ..." and all the rest. I would like to express my thanks and appreciation to the participants for raising the level of consciousness: Kindest regards.

@tomaslane6018 Жыл бұрын

So what we build up a army just like the US/British built on the lives of those who don’t have any better options unlike this professeur. His kids won’t die, he won’t die but some poor family around the country will lose a son, a daughter because this man wants us to interfere in another state. Like the US in Iran, afghan etc because they were all righteous. No the only thing that will change will be the death of Irishmen for the image of our Taoiseach in the eyes of the EU or US.

@Zxolnos Жыл бұрын

If Afghanistan/taliban never attacked the US we would have had no reason to be there.

@henrypierce8900 Жыл бұрын

If usa hadnt actively funded mujahadeen to destroy afghan socialism and feminism, or used saudi bases to attack middle east. The two organisations you are refering to, would not exist.

@freespeechisneverwrong9351 Жыл бұрын

Yes I have a problem when we support one side over another. Ukrainians are not guilt free in this situation and definitely not Zelensky.

@stiofain88 Жыл бұрын

Less guilty than the orcs though.

@biulaimh3097 Жыл бұрын

I agree 100%. Besides, the Russians (like the Chinese) are our friends.

@mightyturnip5070 Жыл бұрын

And the Irish weren’t guilt free when the British occupied the country. Do you even hear yourself?

@freespeechisneverwrong9351 Жыл бұрын

@@mightyturnip5070 I never mentioned the Irish or the British. Let’s expand on the Zelensky comment. Zelensky was installed by the US following a US supported coup. He immediately banned all pro Russian parties and media. They then started to have said certain issues with non-Ukrainians. So 24,000 Bulgarians had the leave the country. There have been issues with the Hungarian population and obviously they have been anti-Russian from the start. Btw this was all in one of worlds most corrupt countries in the world. Take five minutes and actually check the history of Ukraine and you will realise it is not as the MSM say.

@genderl Жыл бұрын

What

@DuderinoDeux Жыл бұрын

Laughable. Troops in Shannon not to mention the Geo-Engineering going on here. The sheep bleating to the script they are given.

@idkwhattodo5448 Жыл бұрын

We should build up our military

@charleskristiansson1296 Жыл бұрын

Ireland's neutrality is vital. Keep it.

@patrickcullinane7461 Жыл бұрын

Neutrality Needs to be continued Stop being Neutral About the North of Ireland It's Time to Establish the Citizens Assembly on Irish Unity Anois

@Deadeye012011 Жыл бұрын

Those North Atlantic cables that run through the sea's off of the west coast of Ireland are strategically important to the British Americans and the French. There all going to move to secure them to ensure no potential Russian sabotage.

@derekkearns3377 Жыл бұрын

Russia didn't carry out a terriost attack on EU Nordstrem. USA UK and Norway did

@vinnysmith4748 Жыл бұрын

When is John o brennan joining the front.🤣

@joprocter4573 Жыл бұрын

No covert querrilla state

@bobbyrobertson4214 Жыл бұрын

Who do these people think they are this must go to a referendum tds,think they own the country they dont Let the people decide

@Tyr-not-mars Жыл бұрын

Nuetrality and cowardice are two different things...if we were not nuetral in WW2 the demobilisation of troops and armalites from Europe would have been impossible and took decade's..decades the allies didn't have...

@eleanorcoughlan5543 Жыл бұрын

Actually A lot of Irish men died fighting in WW2.

@benhur1959 Жыл бұрын

We're not and never were neutral.

@freespeechisneverwrong9351 Жыл бұрын

Yes we were. Throughout the Second World War we maintained neutrality. Churchill would make grand speeches in Westminster calling for Ireland to join the war. A week later De Valera would respond in the Dail saying we would not join a war between two empires. This was a time when Irish independence and sovereignty was maintained and coveted. Now the Irish political class can’t do enough to try to impress their overlords and enhance their own personal wealth.

@biulaimh3097 Жыл бұрын

Well I would have sided with Spain in the anglo Spanish wars. I would have sided with France in the Napoleonic wars. I would have sided with Germany in the first and second world wars and I side with Russia in this war.

@freespeechisneverwrong9351 Жыл бұрын

@@biulaimh3097 Interesting that you would have sided with one empire that wanted to use Ireland as a backwater farm for their own benefit. Basically you would have preferred to be part of the German empire than have independence(?)

@hippy1922 Жыл бұрын

@Free Speech Is Never Wrong Ireland was not neutral during World War 2. Allied airmen who crashed in the Republic were brought to Northern Ireland. While German airmen who crashed here were held in the Curragh Camp. Where possible allied aircraft were also repaired and returned. Ireland shared maritime and military intelligence with the allies throughout the war. Allied aircraft were allowed to fly over Donegal in an air corridor to the North. In the lead up to D-day it was Irish weather stations who provided the weather reports the allies needed. Not exactly neutral.

@biulaimh3097 Жыл бұрын

@@hippy1922 Ireland being neutral did what was best for Ireland. For example, we kept our lighthouses lit because that was what we wanted to do. Britain wanted us to turn off the lighthouses. The Germans were happy we did that but it wasn`t to help the Germans or annoy the Brits (although that part was very pleasing :) The reason we kept the lighthouses lit was for our seafarers and so the Germans would know when to turn back. Obvoiusly we didn`t want German bombers flying over Ireland unintentionally because accidents can happen.