Irish Historians on The Anglo-Irish Treaty of 1921-22

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The Anglo-Irish Treaty of 1921-22 provoked one of the most consequential debates on the shape of our country ever to take place, and was the harbinger of civil war. In this discussion, we are joined by have three eminent historians to discuss the Treaty debates, the people who spoke, and the implications of this extraordinary and passionate conversation which preceded the birth of the modern Irish state. They are Diarmaid Ferriter, Professor of Modern Irish History at UCD, and Anne Dolan, Associate Professor in Modern Irish History at TCD, who will be in conversation with Gearóid O’Tuathaigh, Professor Emeritus in History at NUI Galway.
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@mornamckittrick2339 2 жыл бұрын

This is a very useful and manageable discussion for students of the period from articulate historians. Thank you. I tutor CCEA students online.

@tomredaintdead9575 2 жыл бұрын

UNITED WE STAND

@markrichmond4243 2 жыл бұрын

The TDs in the Dail had to recognise that they held far more radical views than the general population

@MackerelCat Жыл бұрын

Very interesting, thanks.

@nicholasperry2380 Жыл бұрын

Less than an hour and I realise that what we're taught in UK schools isn't that balanced or accurate. Very interesting and civil discussion. Any recommendations for further reading please?

@johnnotrealname8168 9 ай бұрын

This is not mentioned at all in British schools unless you mean G.C.S.E. and A-Level.

@tomredaintdead9575 2 жыл бұрын

I would wiggle. Im the progeny of an irish man! As are many millions over here. Support your brothers

@chrismccartney8668 Жыл бұрын

Very interesting bearing in Anglo Irish Agreement plus Brexit to see how the Original Agreement came about as an English man with an Irish Name....

@Johnnyfive55 Жыл бұрын

The number of counties should have been the negotiation. They should have pushed back on 6 counties

@johnnotrealname8168 9 ай бұрын

They were convinced the Boundary Commission could deal with it.

@jamesdolan4042 6 ай бұрын

Keep in mind also that the Ulster Unionist had been agitating towards separation from the remainder of Ireland since at least the 1880s. Lord Randolph Churchill famously said in 1886 'Ulster will fight and Ulster will be right in relation to the Repeal of the Home Rule Act Then there was the Ulster Covenant where 500,000 signatories signed with their blood to remain part of the UK. That occured in September 1912. Then Ulster Protestants showed unusual fealty to the British Crown by sending all their young men to France to fight and die in WW1 circa 1914. So prior to commencement of the Anglo-Irish Treaty negotiations in 1921 a Parliament of Ulster had already operational. So it would nigh impossible for the Irish delegation to have any power of negotiation on Ulster.

@patrickyoung3503 Жыл бұрын

Please could you point the way forward to leave on our island

@noelryan6341 3 ай бұрын

All of Ireland's modern 'TROUBLES' stem from the dismissal of the December 1918 General Election Results overwhelmingly won by, but ignored by Britain, Pro-Independence parties. So much unnecessary trouble and strife that dominated thereafter!

@illyboulder2557 Жыл бұрын

Do the Anglo Irish still own ireland?

@Boatman607 10 ай бұрын

Definitely not 😊

@davidgreen6490 Жыл бұрын

Does Irish history have anything that does not involve England?

@johnnotrealname8168 9 ай бұрын

Considering the affinity of the two, no. After 1949 though there is no association.

@davidgreen6490 9 ай бұрын

@@johnnotrealname8168 Absolute bollocks! You only have to look at the anti Brexit channels on KZfaq to see the Irish obsession.

@johnnotrealname8168 9 ай бұрын

@@davidgreen6490 Well inasmuch as they share a border, I thought you meant whether Britain has any interest or legal right to interfere in Irish politics. They do not. In any case, the obsession is not with the Edit2: "Brexit" side, they have been wanting Brexit done for a while now. If you mean Northern-Ireland then Good Friday Agreement Edit: (1998). Edit2: Oh! You mean the anti-brexit side?! Oh yeah I agree they keep banging on about Ireland but not because they want to control it but the opposite.

@TheAnthraxBiology 5 ай бұрын

Prior to 1169 most stuff has no relation to England, but after most stuff is related. Gaelic Ireland still continued to exist as a separate entity but of course it regularly interacted with Anglo-Norman Ireland. That doesn't negate the fact that Gaelic Ireland made its own developments regardless of English presence however.

@davidgreen6490 5 ай бұрын

@@TheAnthraxBiology Thats the point, prior to 1169 there was no such place as "Ireland". It was a collection of over 200 kingdoms know as "Tuaith" The English Normans actually created ireland as an entity. There is an argument that the Tuaith did have alligence to an overall monarch, but it was more like the British commonwealth today all have Charles as their king but being completely different countries, In fact, if the English Normans had not arrived in Ireland in 1169, there would be at least three, possibly four different countries there today, just as there are in Britain, all with different versions of the Old Irish language..

@tomredaintdead9575 2 жыл бұрын

I have to say, being the son of a Galway man, that the irish have a wonderful use of the beautiful language and are the world champions at talking about absolutely nothing………………………😂

@jimbobjimjim6500 2 жыл бұрын

The English can talk and talk, without saying anything......Still cant figure out how they do it......The Irish are great talkers in that they are very interesting to listen too.......The people in this video are historians, and if your not into Irish history, you will find it boring.

@jamesdolan4042 6 ай бұрын

You must be disappointed.

@markalexwhite 2 жыл бұрын

Now I know why Ferriter has been shaving his head for years. He has a really long head which looks even longer with hair! 🙂

@theknowledge.6869 2 жыл бұрын

Turned out to be a Bad Treaty for Everyone = = Irish and British.

@RobertK1993 2 жыл бұрын

British mainly lol 🤣 sonkuch for the Glorious Revolution.

@glen7318 2 жыл бұрын

How?

@franciskeogh5027 Жыл бұрын

Very clever getting the Irish to kill one another they knew allong

@AJ_real 2 жыл бұрын

They should never signed the Treaty. Look at all the trouble it caused, the Brexit problems, The Troubles. They should have kept going until we got the whole island.

@RobertK1993 2 жыл бұрын

Only option other was civil war between Irish Roman Catholics and Ulster Protestants very terrible one Brits would have just watched on

@sands7779 2 жыл бұрын

Michael Colins made decision based on his knowledge including lack of amunition pipeline and public appetite for fighting. They were threatened with war. We are great armchair generals when we don't have to put our own lives on the line

@markalexwhite 2 жыл бұрын

They had about a week of fight left in them - they had no choice!

@glen7318 2 жыл бұрын

The Irish side was almost out of ammuntion, the problems between N Ireland and the rest of it, could not be solved easily and the British were not going to coerce the unionists, and it would not have done any good if they had

@TroyaE117 Жыл бұрын

Who are this "we" you talk about?

@tomredaintdead9575 2 жыл бұрын

Come on . Its history. What about today?

@Jcolbert123 Жыл бұрын

Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it ~Winston Churchill (wrong see below)

@johnnotrealname8168 9 ай бұрын

@@Jcolbert123He definitely did not say that.

@Jcolbert123 9 ай бұрын

@@johnnotrealname8168 You're right, I googled it. It was philosopher George Santayana (you could have also provided the corrected information). Thank you for pointing this out, I had always heard it attributed to Churchill

@johnnotrealname8168 9 ай бұрын

@Jcolbert123 I could have if I knew who sayed it but it was definitely not Sir Winston Leonard Spencer Churchill.

@jamesdolan4042 6 ай бұрын

I think you probably don't like history. When I went to school I was not taught history like where circumstances, personalities, geography etc. mattered. I was just given facts and dates. The way history is portrayed in this presentation is fascinating in my opinion.

@tomredaintdead9575 2 жыл бұрын

Its 100 years ago . Surely you can move on?

@glen7318 2 жыл бұрын

If you dont want to know about history, dont watch a history video

@Albert-Arthur-Wison225 7 ай бұрын

Ruined, for me, by the two blokes, especially the old chap, perennially cutting in,talking over each other, mumbling and nutter in in a constant background track of pointless, annoying ‘ confirmatory ‘ waffle ,…” Mm,..mm,..yes,..mm,..right,..yes…”.

@tomredaintdead9575 2 жыл бұрын

UNITED WE STAND

@beaglaoich4418 2 жыл бұрын

Yes you’re right we should have a United ireland

@TroyaE117 Жыл бұрын

@@beaglaoich4418 so how are you going to manage that? By coercion?

@beaglaoich4418 Жыл бұрын

@@TroyaE117 in the same way the union is currently maintained-through consent. I think it should be a union of Ireland but that doesn’t mean I not anyone else should dictate to anyone what political arrangements between these islands there should be only through the result of the ballot box

@johnnotrealname8168 9 ай бұрын

@@beaglaoich4418When you realise unionists have a point, this position is the only right one.