Yeah; I think there's a "Lussekatt" with this shape. 🙂

YES! My grandma did the same! :D

Lussekatt is not the same symbol plus it's swedish.

@@poweredbymoonlight9869 "Lussekatt" can come in several different shapes and this is one of them. Yes the word "Lussekatt" is a very modern Swedish word but the concept of buns and bread shaped in symbols and figures, especially around christmas, are ancient and waaaay more widespread then just Sweden. Further I think that you should not make such a hard distinction between Swedish and Finnish cultural expressions, especially from a historical point of view, as they kind of go together and are more similar then not. Yes there are distinc cultural expressions to each region, but so is it inside each region as well. In the bigger historical picture one has to take into account that what is today Finland was historically a fully integrated part in the Swedish kingdom (there was not even a distiction between Finland and Sweden) for 600 years. During wich there were much migration and huge amount of cultural exchange back and fourth between different regions within the realm - hence people came to share many characteristics and cultural expressions. Just to put it into perspective: Finland was a fully integrated part of the Swedish kingdom _before_ "Norrland" (the northern half of Sweden). Representatives from regions in Finland participated in the election of Swedish kings before many other regions, like Gotland and even Västra Götaland. When Russia conqured Finland (or "the easter half of the realm" as it was called then) in 1809 it had been a fully integrated part of Sweden for a longer time then Scania, Blekinge, Halland, Bohuslän, Härjedalen, Jämtland, Gotland and several other parts now have been a part of Sweden. Not to mention that Finland had then been part of Sweden six times longer then it has now been independent. Let that sink in for a while... Whith that in mind it is not particulary weird if you find the same things in both countries. I know that there is another narrative out there that was first fueled by Russia during the occupation and then further fueld during the independence and building of the new nationstate. However it is largely built upon cherry picking history for a political agenda and not knowing (or be interested in) the relations between the regions within the historic realm and "the Swedish crown" (which often were brutal), thinking ones own local circumstances and relationship to the crown to be completly unique, when they in fact were not. I think it can be time to look beyond that... Cultures do not evomve in a vaccum and has no hard borders (in contradiction to nation states). They overlap, exchange ideas, hybridize and evolve over time. It is only natural to share characteritics with ones neighbours. In this particular case though, as in so many others, the carateristic "Lussekatt" was most likely imported from Germany and/or the Netherlands. The sweet weat bun probablu first came to Gothenburg in the 1600s and then spread from there. It was incoperated to become a part of the much much older (and much more widespread) concept of "cult bread", "show bread" and "sow bread", used to among other things to ensure a good harvest the next year. The name "lussekatt" however is in standard Swedish younger then 1912, but the concept it was applied to is as said ancient. So are the symbols they are most commonly made into, of which this is one. History and culture are messy and complicated because people are messy and complicared 😉😄

@@poweredbymoonlight9869 The "Lussekatt" (Julgalt) was just one of the old julebread. The name of the bread with this symbol was "Gullvagn"

Perfect place to put one!

Finns don't come from the east. That notion stems from imperial Russian propaganda. The myth that we originate from the east is part of the ethnic cleansing process you mention.

@@Einari1983 Actually we do come from East, maternal line is from Baltic area which originates from the people who came to France from Middle- East around 50 000 years ago and ventured to East from there, eventually populating Baltic region, including Finland. Later on, roughly 5000 years ago our paternal line changed as people from Ural came to the region. Either way, we come from East. We Finns also have quite unique DNA in Europe, as we are not Indo- Europeans but pretty close to those people who originally inhabited Europe, which also makes us favorite subjects of DNA studies, our DNA is not as complicated because it is somewhat "pure".

Nations representing languagegroups is actually a stalinist definition of a nation, nations are in reality regimes of power and occupying areas.

@@alfredkwaak A nation and a country are not the same thing. Just look up the meaning of the word nation. Nation (according to Oxford)= a large body of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular country or territory. All of those are true: descent, history, culture, language and territory. I’m not talking about a united Finno-Ugric nation (which would be a utopia) I’m talking in plural. Same with the native American nations or the Turkic nations, it’s not a single nation but a group of them. Nothing stalinistic about that.

@@anni8456 Actually very stalinistic since the very concept of didviding areas in solviet times was based on language, still they base their propganda on ukrainan issua on language.

Ohhhhh, Now this is something! 🧐 Thank you!

There´s a Hakkapeliitta statue in the center of Lahti, my home town...2 menacing-looking horse riders.

@@tomihaili8756 And in Lappeenranta. Old cavalry town. It's called Suomen ratsuväen muistomerkki (The Finnish cavalry monument). There's also a Dragoon statue.

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To this day, Bulgarians hail the Finns as their liberators....

Non unique snowflake 😅🤦🏼‍♂️ what sort of design did you go for?

@@IrishinFinland I drew a variation of the classic shape, surrounded by an Ouroboros-kind of serpent.

Ssssshhhhh don't be telling people my next video! Haha 🤣😎✊🏻

Yes please

I'm sticking with these videos, History, Folklore and mythology, what you think?

@@IrishinFinland brilliant, i'm all for it, couldn't be happier. There's enough of taste tests and other generic bs on KZfaq. You bring something else to the table. I'm also learning things out from your vids, it's great.

@@IrishinFinland Absolutely.. Like Joulupukki ;) Actually he is not so nice originally ;)

I have seen the symbol in coins and other stuff, and of course on road signs, but never thought about the meaning of it. It's funny how we don't really think what we see, even if it has some meaning to it.

@@Fincol oh yes! Have you seen Rare exports?

That's a lovely tradition to keep I think!

Yeah I wish youtube would let us do that! Put photos in comments! Would be great

@@IrishinFinland Oh, I can try that. By the way; Thanks for the Kokkolan kahina episode! I was born in Kokkola and my schoolmate, she was born in the very same day as me, is descendant of Matts Kankkonen who sank the british boat

Glad you enjoy it!

I am pretty sure that Hannu Hanhi got it's name from the hannunvaakuna . Hannu is very lucky and the translators must've wanted to find a name that is "lucky" so to speak and Hannu also fits fine with Hanhi so imo it is just some absolute brilliance from the person who made the first translation!

I'll have to check that out!

Kalevala ei oikeestaan oo kovin hyvä lähde jos mietitään suomen mytologiaa tai rautakauden kulttuuria.

Nice! What sort of design did you go for

@@IrishinFinland Its my own design, spiked vines & surrounded by 3 angels & 2 cats (angels are 3 important persons that I've lost & cats are the lost pets). :)

I have it as a tattoo and I’m Finnish and Irish lol

Shite, you have me worried now if I ever said "smash the like button" 😅 I'm 98 percent sure I've never said it....

I can see how that would be misinterpreted 🤣🤣🤣

Here is the Mari El flag. Mari El means Mari land, the nation is called Mari, I think the language too - compare Finnish Suomi (land)- - suomi (language) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/obSflayjyNuxhYk.html They live close to Volga, north of it. I think they live in 2 groups, the bigger one has a republic status within Russia. Some sources call them Cheremis(h), an old Russian name for them.

4 winds or as I think it´s probably the 4 seasons as it is a sun symbol? Just my logic, I don´t know.

@@tomihaili8756 By all means that''ey can also be associated with the sun, and likely are. For how dependent the crops are of the summer, and each season has its significance in it. Just I wouldn't say OR, more like ALSO. Because we also see the 4 winds, the compass directions from the sun. That's a common theme in the sun symbols all over the world. Where the sun rises, where it sets etc. And I've read it from the researches, that the eastern Finno-Ugric symbols at least were/are associated with teh 'turning of the sun'. Many people thought the sun was turning, like rolling. So the symbols have some parts representing that (alleged) movrmrnt. Like the swatika has the hooks in the end of its 'plus' shape, depicting 'sun turning' Big wheel turning. So it's one version of the sun symbols.

Hannu Arvo Juhani Mikkonen here. so is the Juhani redundant? sisters added that to my name

Old name is käpälikkö

Thank you for that! I'll look into it ✊🏻

@@IrishinFinland although the octorhorpe is likely not mythologically relevant to old Finnish culture, but of Germanic origin, it has a striking resemblance with hannunvaakuna. It may be coincidental but it is also possible that both have a far older and perhaps common origin as symbols of luck and prosperity. The tursaansydän figure forms a swastika in its center, and plain swastikas have also been around for a much longer time and in far older cultures but have been culturally relevant to Finns since ancient times. Tursaansydän might be a nordic development and can as well be coincidental. It is quute sorry that the Nazi regime's appropriation of the swastika has marred its reputation, and that Germans have forbidden its usage along with some other symbols. Rune writing is also forbidden in Germany because one of the Nazis was fascinated with it. Today artistical and informational usage is possible but just like nudity, the borderline between art and porn are drawn on water. The Japanese culture is fine with swastikas but I think photorealistic imagery of human private parts is still restricted to medical circles.

The # sing is actually so old, it exists in several cave paintings in Europe, from the time of the Ice age. 🤔 Clearly this was a popular sign, but probably symbolised different things to different peoples and cultures.

@@Sienisota very likely.

Would be nice to see that and how it made so that nobody "ei vedä herneitä nenään"

Can't turn down a cheese hunt 😎❤

Love this!

I love the name it's so nice! I can see why 😎✊🏻

Hän on irlantilainen.He's Irish. It's not the same. Just like Finns are not Swedes or Russians. Ireland had a big and rough neighbour. Finland has one, too. And two not so long ago.

We have this even more significant wisdom in this symbol I forgot to say and that is offcourse the four corners/four watchtowers of the earth. It is sort of a fort with watchtowers. Four elements and a circumference with an inner and an outer and the movement of energy.

Think I may have seen it actually!

@@IrishinFinland We had a similar catastrophic period of famine in Finland. Twice in fact. First one in 1696-1697 during which almost 30% of the population died of hunger. The hunger lead people to the most extreme desperate acts...cannibalism. The last one in 1866-1868 killed 270 000 people out of a population of less than 2 million. These were partly due to weather conditions (destroying the harvest) but also to the administration of Swedish and Russian authorities. This gruesome history reminds somehow what happened in Ireland as well.

Daaaaaaamn that's fantastic!

What?? The cyrillic script was only invented 1200 years ago.

@@Saturinus Yeah, that was pretty funny. I had to stop and read that number twice.

@@Saturinus My comment is constantly disappearing. Obviously I can't put a link. It is true that I am wrong about the name of the language (my memory) but this was discussed in a documentary. It had a fragment with ski-themed script. The word "Suksi" was among other non-finnish-like words and meant ski. Iltalehti has a mention about the age but not the origin of the mention.

​@@Redfizh Aha. I think Iltalehti is wrong. I'm now looking into how old writing is, and it seems like no writing had really been invented yet 6000 years ago.

That's a fantastic take on the logo!

@@IrishinFinland thank you

I'm already working on a video about the swastika used for the Finnish air force! ✊🏻

Not a "whale". Val as in Valhall. Also callled Odins knot.

@@torbygjordet2533 I was joking a little and also guessing, speculating, over what it might be called in English. Sometimes translations are like that, picking up the wrong meaning of a word. And my guesses were whale knot and wal knot, or something completely else.

Yes! Where did you get them?

What are you talking about, Beard lotion with what