In the military full auto is used for suppressing fire just to get the enemies heads to go down. Semi-auto and burst conserve ammo and is more accurate.

The accuracy test tells all. It'll send a bunch downrange. While also having a high chance of killing others aside from your attacker.

Aim for the belt buckle, and a short burst should walk right up the target. I learned that as a young M-60 machinegunner, many moons ago.

In the Marine Corps we were taught to let the 249 “walk” up a threat. Meaning you know the gun will tend to walk up, so shoot low. Maximize hits through superior firepower.

I think this is one of the best explanations of a full auto Glock that I have seen on KZfaq comparing its strengths and weaknesses.

Repeal the NFA!

Even with full auto capability in an M16, they taught us to try for 2-3 round bursts. A combat load was only 210 rounds, so you'd be SOL in a hurry spraying full auto mag dumps, and you'd miss most shots. Full auto works best in crew-served, belt-fed weapons on a bipod of tripod. It was intended for "grazing fire", and even on the M60, they instructed us to try for 6-9 round bursts.

I went to a class and the instructor shot a full auto Uzi. First mag timed and the all hits on 4 silhouette targets counted. He hit all 4 targets and out of 30 rounds only 13 hit areas that would cause damage! He then shot the same Uzi still on full auto, double tapping each target center mass. All rounds were center mass and the time was faster than the pray and spray! It was freaking amazing to see!!!

Lamborghini is not practical but I want one of those too.

Full auto for fun, semi for practical self-defense.

Completely impractical: A couple of old rules of gun fighting that you are forgetting here. 1. You can not Miss fast enough to win a gun fight. Auto fire makes it possible to miss REALLY FAST! 2. There is an Attorney attached to every round you fire. Those Missed rounds are going to hit something and you are responsible for every round fired. Colion, as an attorney, I'm really surprised that you didn't bring this up. Every missed round is a liability. Finally, the purpose of Automatic Fire is to SUPPRESS incoming fire by generating a Beaten Zone in the Area where your attack is. In a war, that is perfectly acceptable and a standard tactic. However, on the streets, or even in your home, you MUST insure that each and every shot has a specific target AND hits that target. We've seen this from bad cops like Acorn Boy and the 2 female deputies who sprayed a woman through a window just because they saw a gun in her hand. This blind firing out of fear is not justifiable under the laws of self defense.

I'm glad you made this video, especially discussing the drawbacks of automatic fire. As a combat veteran, it bugs me to no end how people call everything a "fully-automatic" weapon whether it is or isn't, and try to make the simple-minded claim that if a firearm is "fully-automatic" then it kills more people simply because it fires more rounds in a shorter period of time. It bothers me even more that no knowledgeable person ever seems to say "well, hold on a second there, you don't know what you're talking about because that's not how that works." Civilians broadly seem to assume that the M-16 and/or the M-4 is a "fully-automatic machine gun" and that soldiers in combat fire their M-16 or M-4 on full-auto, and then they conflate that with civilians having "the same gun" and that explains how these mass shooters kill so many people. The pushback always seems to invariably be "its not the same gun", but nobody ever mentions that the modern M-16 and M-4 aren't fully automatic either, they aren't "machine guns", that professional soldiers don't actually hip fire on full-auto like every action movie character ever, or that using a rifle like an M-16 or M-4 in that manner on full-auto (if it had it) wouldn't kill more enemy soldiers by virtue of shooting faster, it would just waste ammunition. In the military, actual machine guns that are full-auto, are large and heavy and they have to be in order to help absorb the recoil from automatic fire and remain relatively accurate. We don't typically use machine guns to directly engage enemy combatants for the purpose of killing them. The volume of fire from machine guns is meant to prevent the enemy from shooting back so that your riflemen can maneuver to engage and kill them with more accurate fire from semi-automatic rifles. The M-4 does have a 3-round-burst function, but you are explicitly told never to use it. Of course, I does get used occasionally and under special circumstances, but in almost every occasion, using 3-round-burst would only be a waste of ammunition because even that is too hard to control in a lightweight rifle to maintain accuracy.

Honestly, if it weren’t for the NFA, I’d love to carry a stocked, compact, full auto SMG as a backpack gun. Takes longer to get into action than my carry pistol, but gives me more firepower and range. Though I would want a stock on mine for added controllability, so a Glock with a switch that’s just a pistol might not be much use for me, but something like a P90, SMG-45 or MP5k would be fantastic.

That's one of the great things about being a American, no practicality, but I want one. Work hard, pay taxes, law abiding citizen- why not.

I think aside from a SAW, 2 round burst fire is the most useful, even for pistols. The Beretta 93Raffica is dope tho

I think you gave a pretty decent assessment of the G18 and full auto handguns in general. Beretta made the 93R which had a fold down forward grip to help control it. Seems like these guns were made to support special operations and protection details. I don’t know how much wide spread use they received. Even shoulder fired selective fire requires regular training and an ammo budget bigger than most citizens, and even many police departments have.

The rapid volume of rounds sent concerns me due to a greater likelihood of collateral damage.

Even though it's a movie, the Red Dawn remake hit the nail on the head with the scene where the star is shooting a Tec9. He had to be really close to make hits past the first couple of shots. A machine pistol is nothing more than a range toy, IMHO. I still want a G18 though.

Thank goodness this video came out. I was really on the fence about this but you really helped me decide!

When I was a police officer I had access to Glock 18’s. Atlantic City PD had them for their SWAT team and I fired them and a demo Glock 18. Useless. Turned into an anti aircraft gun after the first few rounds. When I took the Glock Instructors Workshop in the early 2,000’s the last day was all Glock 18C. What a difference between the C version and the standard. We were able to control the gun on short bursts and stay on target out to 15 yards. We also shot those guns and dunked them in a bucket of water and just kept running them. It was awesome!

Repeal the NFA disband the ATF, i need full auto guns

With a RONI Carbine kit, it may become practical.

For carry purposes I wouldn't see it being useful without, first, making it select fire (able to switch between semi and auto) and, second, chambering it in 5.7 (reduced recoil and higher capacity) or a similar cartridge. Fun thought experiment, though.

I had a Deputy Sheriff friend who had a selective fire Baretta. It had a compensator and a drop down foregrip. Those two items really helped with the recoil.

Hey Colion. Hope you read this. Love your stuff, big fan. I know you've heard of the channel Active Self Protection. He did a seminar condensing his knowledge and said something powerful that resonated and stayed with me forever about self defense shootings. He said that after reviewing over 2,000 self defense shooting videos, 95% of them ended when either 1 of 2 conditions were met. Someone ran out of ammo first, or someone was hit. He also said that only 3 times out of 2,000 did he see a self defense shooting victim (you or me, essentially) reload in a gunfight versus a criminal. That statistic should be big in this discussion, because a full auto pistol will have you out of ammo really fast and a lot less likely to stop your attacker. I think personally the only effectiveness I've seen of full auto glocks is drive-by shootings and when criminals crack open their front door on cops, and that isn't something us legal gun owners really do. Just food for thought, would love to hear your feedback on this statistic.

If i remember correctly it was designed and created specifically for special operations and elite police units mostly with undercover plain clothes operations in mind. I think theres definitely a purpose and utility for it but its probably a small range of specific use cases in mind.

Its up to you to control what switch setting (as in firing mode) you use for a sitch and setting (as in place, scenario, target distance).

Very well done Colion.

There was a story I read of a green beret in Vietnam that had a tool box and he had a full auto shotgun in there. He said if he knew he had to go in a room and shoot everyone in there that's what he's bringing. But outside of having to defend yourself from 5 guys that all are somehow bunched together, I don't see any practicality in it either.

This is why I think the binary triggers are the way to go. 3 round bursts are ideal but to have to consecutive clean shots behind each other is magnificent. I have put too many rounds to count through the same hole on the paper with the Mp5 clone being accompanied with the binary. The groups are ridiculous. I sight it in at 50 yds but it will hit a 100 with the eotech.

If I legally carried a switch as a ccw bout the only time I’d see myself using it is damn near point blank as a “truck gun”. I think it’s good for gang members because you can spray a house up and it’s easier to obtain than say the components to make an ar full auto. If you want to go rapid fire mixed with accurate go binary trigger and train with your specific gun. Don’t matter what gun you got if you can’t aim and hold her steady the guns damn near useless

Colion, there's a reason that the military changed the AR from full auto and single fire to a 3 position switch. Single shot, 2 shot burst, and then full auto. Grunts in Vietnam found out that full auto emptied your combat load out quicker in a contact. Full auto was used during the firest 10 seconds of an ambush whether you were caught in one or conducting one. I'm glad that I was in Armor.

The full auto bursts in the movie sequences have digital muzzle flashes which helps to reduce muzzle climb.

I shot a full auto Glock several years ago and I'd say its a fun way to waste a lot of ammo fast!! That being said, I'd never have one because I can't afford to waste ammo, and I sure don't want to do it fast!! I'll stick to my semo-auto where I can account for every round!

Also, you should expand on with the full auto Glock be good for an invasion scenario, similar to red dawn I think you can get a lot of videos out of his full auto Glock stuff, because no guns KZfaqrs have expanded on it at all. Good job brother 💪

While I was a licensed firearms manufacturer, I EDC a Glock model 22 chambered in .40cal on Glock switches I manufactured and anodized in house. Had stock sights and many 30 round extensions just in case SHTF. You can actually shoot it fairly accurate full auto with or with out a stock at about 10 yards or less. I liked it a lot.

A good rifle squad leader never allows his riflemen to use the auto select. That is why there is an assigned, squad automatic rifleman with a SAW assigned to each squad.

Is this even a question?

I’d love to see the full auto in an MCK or the bull-pup conversation for managing recoil.

0:44 most spot on news report impression (I was tabbed out and confused for a sec)

Here's a full auto "hack" for folks that have such desire: Consider the semi auto shotgun or even the pump. Imagine it with a 6+1 capacity and loaded with 00 buck. Contained with that shotty are 7 shells with a total of 56 .33" projectiles (8 pellets per shell.) That's the rough equivalent of a rifle magazine with 56 rounds of greater then .30 cal bullets (round shot, i know, but still.) So what's the rate of fire? Firing 2 shells per second is very moderate so that's 16 projectiles per second equalling 960 rounds per minute. That's the same as a typical full auto M16. Wanna shoot fast? Legally and cheap? Get a Mossberg 500 or Maverick and load her with 00 buck.

Mr. Noir's comments about full auto accuracy reminds me of what I was told by a WWII veteran about effectively using a Thompson M1 on full auto.

I want to see Colion do one of those self defence experiences, but using something like a Glock 18c full auto airsoft gun & see how he does under some stress & if any of his shots might hit bystanders 🤔

Agreed How about the collateral damage from missing the actual target

I have no interest in a fully auto gun. I do want either a binary trigger that shoots 2 rounds each time I pull the trigger or a gun that shoots 3 rounds each time I pull the trigger. Unfortunately both of those are illegal in Florida where I live so I can’t (won’t) have either one.

Every gun has its own purpose a fully auto glock is meant for close quarters combat or maybe if you so happen to be in a small space and multiple enemies are trying to attack you at once thats when a fully auto comes in handy basically like a shotgun youll hit multiple intruders at once. Its not meant for what you’re trying to use it for.

I noticed you're switching between the Bluetooth in earbuds and over Ear hearing protection what are your reasons for switching between the two types of hearing protection? ❤️ Love the video! ❤️

off topic but ur editing is top notch man🔥

You’re accountable for every round and all those missed in heat of moment…I’m good with semi only

Semi is for trading shots. Full auto is for armored opponents

Where'd you get that slide cut for your 17C? Looks clean as hell!

Every miss adds to the collateral damage possibility... That being said, it looks like a lot of fun for going to the range.

A binary trigger would be more practical, and if it could be rigged up to work like a switch(on-off) it’d be my first choice.

You forgot the most important test for practicality, hold it one handed, sideways mag dumping whilst screaming "Check yo self foo" We need to see those results.🤣🤣

Great information great points

Needs a selector, maybe a pressure-dependent trigger like the Steyr AUG (halfway for single shot, past the break for full auto), or maybe to be restricted to three-shot bursts (for controllability)?

Super practical I could think of several realistic scenarios that would be extremely useful in and preparedness is the 1st

Great video, thank you so much.

CQB corners, Squad gameplay post ICO, you know what I am talking about! Full auto duels hipfire style!!!

Would have been interesting if you did the full-auto conversion with the 17C barrel/slide to see how much the factory ports help control the gun in giggle mode.

Something like that is for : Executive Protection CQB involving high risk clients. Although I’ve heard of SWAT teams wanting their shield carriers to have one also. Since a rifle or any other shoulder fired weapon would be impractical

good stuff!

Hickock45 just broke a G17 slide using a switch. The ring that retains the guide rod on the front of the slide snapped clean off.

Last time I checked, there was a switch nice to have the option to go full auto when needing to lace press fire with a handgun, but it’s nice also to switch back for accuracy so is better than the other depending on the situation, but I would rather be prepared for both situations Then just one

I can see this gun being used in close/tight quarter scenarios requiring a low profile…need. Then when you get an encounter…pop pop pop. And since it’s close quarters, you are more likely to hit your shots on your target

Practically awesome. Looks like a ton of fun. I'm with you, I just want one. Sadly I live in Commie WA where I can't have more than a 10 round mag. Well atleast not new ones😅

As you said fun as hell but I’ll stick with my semi auto for carry. When I was in Italy in the mid 80’s we used to do range days with the Italian Carabinieri and everyone qualified quickly with our S&W 15 .38’s then the line was long for the Beretta M12 SMG and the Beretta 93R. I loved the 3 round burst on the 93R but being honest the M12 full auto was practical the 93R in 3 round burst was fun.

I’m so glad you did this video me personally I’d be terrified to conceal that thing

I think you would increase accuracy if you used only one hand and cocked it to the side. I even saw this ad once that put a red dot on the right side of the gun so you can increase accuracy even more when cocking gun to the side

Great video. One question - what watch is that you have please? Thank you. Al Bournemouth UK 🇬🇧

I love that you finished the string with a stovepipe... 😁

I think it'd be a good secondary weapon for concealed carry defense for suppressive fire or the intimidation of the full auto or burst rate of fire to a would be attacker but I'd still want a semi auto for my primary defensive weapon though for the accuracy controllability and conservation of ammo with more precise shots so I'd take both if offered with the option

Keep in mind a factory 18C is a select fire gun. You only need to use full auto when you need to use full auto. A factory 18C with the porting and lighter slide is actually quite useful and controllable if you practice and know what you are doing including keeping burst short. Shooting full auto is almost it's own separate skill. People who haven't actually really practiced with it just don't know.

That's why I dislike three-round Burst when I was in the Marine Corps (shot placement) I preferred semi-auto unless there's just a whole bunch of targets where you can just spray and pray (nor miss)!

Thanks you for this video I’m a big Glock fan I carry the Glock 45 and I hit my target a lot better with a semi auto this has been my argument for a couple years and your video summed it all up

ima comment before watching this video, this is a great topic as i have often wondered if we had full auto everything if it would really make a difference. i.e. school shootings, most people c ant cary 1000 rounds loaded in mags on them as it is heavy and awkward. and with the miss rate would the ammo just get spent hitting nothing??i have often thought i would chose semi over full auto in most situations especially home invasion. however my lizzard brain still wants to make many booms..

One thing you didn't consider is in a self defense situation where did those rounds you missed go. Was an innocent person hit? Did those rounds go through a wall and hit someone else? So for those questions I would prefer a semi auto I know I can control where the rounds go.

It’s probably down to personal preference too. But from what I see theirs a ton more practice to be done, from getting used to the recoil and then making sure you can use it successfully, not to mention all the ammo a person will go through. Sounds expensive too depending on what ammo is used.

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I appreciate what you do.

Hey so a question for ya. Do those ear buds help with inner ear issues that some folk get wearing full ear muffs? Like the full ear sensation that seems like your under water and cant clear the ears.

I always viewed the most practical use of a full auto Glock as being in used with a stock like in a PCC. If the reliability could be worked on then it’s a great base for a PCC

I have developed a habit of at the very least check for brass and I'll do that just sitting watching videos, playing my games or whenever I have an opportunity to do so when I'm out and about granted when I'm out there's always one in the pipe.

Might be good for competitions, having fun... Limited for CC or defence Would a 2 round burst trigger improve it? Maybe

What about when you put your Full Auto Glock into one of those conversion kits that turns it into a little SBR like a micro Roni plus don't forget it's a switch you can switch from semi to full auto if I have 6 magazines 180 rounds I can afford to miss a little

I think it might be practical if implemented in a select fire configuration. I want full auto if the fight is close range, where hit probability is higher, and the need to stop the threat fast is also most likely higher. If the threat is farther away, semi-auto is probably the go to mode of fire. Ultimately, if options are possible, the only question is, what will having more options cost me?

The jamming comes from not controlling the recoil ... the recoil energy is pushing the gun up and back instead of transferring all energy to slide

Saint JMB looked into full auto when developing the 1911 and decided it wasn't the way to go. That said I would LOVE to have a Skorpion just for the fun factor.

The full autos didn’t have a ported barrel like your other Glock appeared too. Need to retest with a ported/compensated barrel.

Would running a light, sights and suppressor add enough weight to manage recoil any better?

VERY USEFUL

Noted. Have one full auto and one semi!! Thanks bro🔥

Great video! I heard the Glock 18C was for use with a riot shield. Who knows if that's true, but that's what I have heard.

aimed individual marksmanship rather then surpressive fire is the key.

Looks like a nice EDC

Brace, foregrip you can add some accuracy

Would be curious to see that switch 17 vs a 19 with an afterburner barrel setup

It would be interesting to repeat the accuracy test but with a comp or ported barrel and slide

well informed sir

0:45 - Great Claptrap impression. (Claptrap is a CL4P-TP general purpose robot from the video game series Borderlands; a long time fan favorite supporting character) edit: I'm curious to compare Raycon vs AKTI's Blackouts. (I'm well aware Raycon doesn't offer hearing protection from firearms; maybe they just didn't test for that? I don't know)