Realistically probably not, but everyone will act like it is

Bing bong

Frien :)

No, because people will still love artists and their work.

What sucks is that AI is directly threatening jobs people dream of doing instead of crap nobody wants to do, like folding laundry.

Simple solution: steal that content and openly tag them, mocking them and claiming it's yours instead. Then watch the meltdown. Copyright doesn't apply. Trust me, it's fun.

You can use AI for the funnies though (I used it to make AI Garfield comics as a joke)

@@Generic-Cat-DrawingIm gonna make an ai pipebomb and stuff it into OpenAI’s mailbox

Is that a dig at a certain video about Godzilla being in the public domain?

true.

Gets even better when such judges openly stated that people making use of AI should be considered "Commissioners" of the AI rather than artists, due to the core nature of "describing someone/something else what you want to be made" rather than performing the actual crafting action yourself.

My farts are better than Saberspark’s farts 💨

That's a pretty solid interpretation, it's kinda cool to use if you have no artistic talent. I imagine if I were to use it in a professional sense, maybe present an artist you intend to pay with the ai image as a reference and let them do their thing. Also ai art is funny af, have your seen the one of Mother Teresa fighting poverty?

Based judge ngl

"Ai art", I suppose ai picture would be a more realistic name, I do like that more

TBH with how certain member of VA groups been acting as of late, especially after a certain incident with a certain well made Scooby-doo fan animation due that a certain VA raging over because of the creator was using AI voices even though he said he didn't want to use them but have to because he couldn't find any VA at the time does not help VA's image right now.

@@Raspse7en Real hypocrisy right there. Especially since the Fan Animator made good on his word and reuploaded it after he got proper VAs (I saw it after that and only know about the controversy due to the comments praising the Animator)

That's what is blowing my mind. These are tools, people freaking out over the tools themselves instead of how people are using them is literally insane. It's like being upset at spoons for making people fat, or guns for murder, instead of how spoons are used or guns are regulated. In any case, all humans should be replaced work wise, the only job we should have is to live our lives and enjoy it with our family and friends.

well luckily there's nothing wrong with either

@@jamessderby What do you mean there is nothing wrong with either?

people have been losing jobs to tech for ages

@@UserName-zb8qlthat does not make it better. Its like saying “well people have been starving to death for ages”

@@UserName-zb8qlThe problem is in the past, new technology also meant new jobs and that those still in the same job could work more efficiently, with mass automation and AI though, it just straight up replaces jobs and provides nothing to society in return. People will argue that's where the idea of a universal basic income will come in, but when our people in charge have so far shown a complete lack of care regarding the well being of the people they represent, and with how interwoven the current system is to how our societies as a whole functions, it's likely we are perhaps facing a future of unforseen economic hardship and inequality.

@@legonerd0666 we are not talking about starving we are talking about tech taking jobs people once had

and then they will be shocked no one can buy their shit products anymore as no one has money anymore, lmao

My farts are better than Saberspark’s farts 💨

Imagine if people stop creating art, the AI will just feed itself its own stuff in a loop after a while and people will get bored of this shit and will beg for actual human-made art.

AI being about to do pictures is pretty much them setting up Skynet. AI art cannot and should not be art

Because is not... It's just tool... people act paranoid every time there is any technology advance... There's really old people today who believe people who draw digitally is cheating and it's gonna be a point where most people gonna forget this d*mb conversation and only few are gonna still believing AI=BAD... The AI is fair new and many uses and technics still are unknown today to begin with the only reason is controversial is copyright but what if there's AI art coming from actual people who actually want their art being use by the AI... That's gonna happen, for sure, and for sure there's gonna be someone who believes is cheating.

​@@shadowednight1600in some point it's gonna... It's just too new to people accept it yet. We at least not in the 1800 to people try to actually destroy that they afraid of... Thank god.

My farts are better than Saberspark’s farts 💨

Same, I've become pretty okay with using AI for shitposting, some people produce some genuinely funny stuff. But I'm still scared about the art industry as a whole.

​@@p-__💀

Preach to that. Those AI President videoes are a bit of a guilty pleasure for me.@@herpderp3916

I suppose AI Art is a bit more passable for memes because I’m there for the jokes overall. But if I’m there for the art and creativity…. Then that’s a completely different story. (By the way, I like AI Art that talks about robots farting 💨)

Thats the thing some people that like to make so little effort while others breaks their back to live well

Why is he reading your comic then. I'd use glaze then. It makes your comic poison anything trained on it.

@@Saliferousok that is one of the greatest things ive ever heard of and my GOD people need to be made aware of this

@@Saliferousas for ur qiustion he still enjoys it he just has no patience or respect for the effort put into it

​@@SaliferousGlaze only protects the piece itself, Nightshade is the one that poisons it. Made by the same people, i think

Most people don't care about the process they care about results, if its good enough and fast enough they dont care,

True But like pictures they can be great for visualizing things In the end ai isnt terrible Just the people can make it terrible

Liking so saber can pin this

Modern art isnt art, it's just paint.

​@@GiRR007 really? Art is all about Interpretation But i aint arguing

Who cares, at the end of the day it's not ok to steal people's shit. It's that simple.

Did he not see the article about the almost-entirely AI staffed McDonalds?

@@zanmaru139 this is a quote from somewhere else, not Saberspark. I just thought it was relevant

It's not like modern art is any good.

​@@kingofcards9516 Every time people say this, I just want to tell them to shut up and look at art outside of money laundered bs. Modern art is fine, y'all just don't actually look for anything decent and always focus on the bad.

@@Moumentai if you want to act that way every time then you are immature. I don't see why I have to go on a quest for whatever you consider "good" art when I can just see good classical art.

ai can't replace human creativity. imagine if human creativity was not about the skills one has but the limiting factor is what the mind can create.

This is _exactly_ how I think about it. If you couldn't bother making it, why should I bother experiencing it? I have no time for AI "creations" because there was no journey taken by an artist to get there.

It's pretty much like comparing a photography of a mountain, and hyperrealistic pencil drawing of the same mountain. The photography is more precise, it has colors, it's perfect recreation of the real thing. So why is normal human reaction to go "Wow" on the pencil drawing? Why would people rather have an artist drawing a wall of their house, rather than a photo?

And that's why DeviantArt is trash now.

@@beauvoirferril it's not cause it uses new tech if that was the case every company would be trash

So they scared him with horror bots? Well, that makes makes sense he responded that way...

@@markguyton2868 yeah, the guy presenting it said it could be used to animate zombies in a videogame, for instance

and even your comment is also out of context! because you are an imposter from another parallel universe!!! #thePanderverseisreal

​@albertoromero5075 shut up you weirdo

At the end of that video after the presenters voiced their intentions to build a machine that can draw like humans Miyazaki said that if people stopped believing their own artistic ability it would be the end of the world which is a more direct expression of his thoughts regarding AI artists replacing humans yet that quote does not get referenced as often

Companies are very short sighted. They only see what can make them a profit right now instead of in the future.

You just said the next step.

@@trevitone1111 hiring people just to write the prompts, seems a bit expensive to me

I feel like this technology is going to end up backfiring on them. Like with sora AI, if it gets to the point where people can just generate big budget blockbuster movies on the fly by just putting in a text prompt then what would be the point of Hollywood existing? Or pretty much any studio or streaming service that produces entertainment? What is their end goal with this crap?

@@earthsongeb There is no end goal, they only care about making money right at this very moment and yet somehow creating infinite growth. And then when it inevitably fails they just deploy the golden parachute and jump to the next company to do the exact same thing while all the workers suffer and lose their jobs.

Apparently the kitchen job in McDonald's are slowly being automated from some news i seen. That actually kinda good.

@@Fearoq Cool, more jobs to take away from humans. Finding a job in the middle of a recession was hard enough, now even fast food jobs are disappearing...

Money. Talented artists need to be paid, especially since they own their own style, so once you get them into a project, they are hard to replace. You cannot just get things done with child slave labor in China. Meanwhile, menial factory jobs absolutely can do that. And jobs that don't require specialist training can also be done ultra cheap, even in the West, since there will never be a shortage of desperate people on the edge of falling off the edge and becoming homeless and hopeless, who will accept any job, for almost any pay. So at that point, it would usually take automation too long to bring back the investment, because human labor is just dirt cheap.

It's even funier you believing AI is gonna replace those jobs. What is more real is it has always been really difficult to get that kind of job. What make it difficult is that people already working in it hardly let young people to take theirs jobs... Think about that the next time you watch a video of any stablish artist saying anything about against AI, there something darker behind those words... They actually gain something from people giving up on trying cause "AI is taking our jobs"

@@PEDROGARCIA-qj3gr AI is predicted to displace 60% of the global workforce my guy. You sound a little ignorant right now

ai is a tool

@@jamessderby You're a tool.

@@TerrenceNowicki (IMO) what a weird response.

maybe argument from 'famous quote' isnt a great argument

​@@jamessderby Crowbar is a tool, but its famous for robbing banks instead of jobs in cargo shipment.

I actually read that as a textbook for an entire class on comics! It's such a good read through and through

It's a great book. A follow-up, _Making Comics,_ is geared towards people who seriously want to pursue that line of work, and it's just as good. Excellent though both books are, you realize after reading them that they only serve as a basic mental framework, an organized way of approaching the subject. This says far more about how deep and complex is the comics medium, than about any deficiency in these books (there's basically none). Well, comics is a sub-category of art, and similar things can be said about textbooks dealing with art in general. As you said, _Understanding Comics_ is a really useful and accessible introduction to art.

Ah yes, Understanding Comics, Making Comics and Reinventing Comics. Scott McCloud is a living legend.

Love this story

The Good Ending

I hope this is true, but at the same time, I’m still kind of scared for my future, since I am an artist.. Cause like what if AI gets better? And it doesn’t stay as limited forever, and it just makes everything humanity does meaningless in the end….

​​@@Pastellera2videoSee there's a problem with this worry of yours. Yes, AI WILL get better, it WILL improve, it is possible that artists could be replaced, but that doesn't make everything humanity did meaningless. The opposite actually, what humans make is more meaningful in EVERY WAY than what the AI generates. Even if AI "takes over" it will not change the fact that it will never be as meaningful as real, man-made work. What we do is only meaningless if we don't try. If we want real art over ai then we need to keep trying. Nothing we do is meaningless.

good ending

My farts are better than Saberspark’s farts 💨

And the worst part is that AI steals from problem solvers, who are the people that should be credited and compensated for their work. It just creates a vicious circle of learned helplessness and more reliance on technology and the few people that manage it. Basically disarming and deskilling people...Almost sounds fascist.

Also why the hell are woment or any female characters sexualize sure people do this but man AI art do it so much especially women men aren’t sexualize to the same degree women aren’t generate as normally looking unusually maybe it a self reported how AI art user view women or the fact AI art can’t see what misogyny and sexism is because it doesn’t understand

Dude, welcome to technological evolution. This was bound to happen sooner or later.

@@Auurify No creativity. Just consume.

And yet, one can make a simple snapshot, or simply point a camera at something. Photography got all the same criticisms people using AI generation to express things have gotten. And just like it you can make quick snapshots, devoid of artist merit to most, or you can learn the ins and outs and find more complex ways to express yourself, and these things exists on a spectrum, just like virtually everything else. "You mean I studied my whole life to paint realistically and this guy just presses a shutter button and its even better!" And yet, Cameras did not kill art. they opened up a whole new, different thing. I am a photographer, I am also do little 3d animations and I play with AI stuff. Drawing these lines and trying to moralize over this or that, or pondering if THIS new thing will finally be the thing to 'kill art' is really silly.

Dreamed to be an artist since childhood. I've only managed to start a year ago and then AI comes in. The industry I aspired to be a part of is dying before I even start.

Dude, that sucks to hear. I'm a professional artist, but at least I was self thought. All that time and money invested into uni would get me depressed if I was in your shoes. Hope you can land a good job!

Trust me, I get it too. I’ve took in classes to learn 3-D modeling. I self taught myself for quite a years. I did really good in my classes and well. I’m worried that I might not even get a job in the future special with AI because they have some AI making models already, it’s not really good for apology right now but yeah it’s still scary

Companies always go for the cheapest, more profitable option If ppl don't pay for full ai art, they'll hire just a few artists to retouch mistakes but the industry might never be full of people again :( That's just capitalism :(

@@theoboangiu7950 Believe me, I think I'm already feeling that weight. I find much more joy in handling my own shop and projects but I hardly think it'll be enough to live off of. But cheers, I hope so as well, wherever I end up. T T

Don't forget the selling of AI art to complement any greed to Deviant Art. I remember jumping on Deviant Art to look up an artist I followed and seeing in the upper right hand corner AI generated images that were literally being sold as adoptables.

Tbf DeviantArt went downhill years ago, they literally IP blocked an entire country during an... I'll just say extremist group attack on them so Susan doesn't delete this comment. That was like... Nearly ten years ago? Idk, I gave up on that site a long time ago, last I really checked it out there was so much NSFW furry art that was unmarked, and while that's not a huge issue for me (my account was made when I was 17 and this was around three years later) the amount of adult content that has seeped through the cracks over the years is definitely not good for the 12yo audience that it at least used to have when I was still in highschool. This, sadly, just sounds like par for the course, DA was sold to a different group years ago and that's when these issues immediately started piling up

@@Chinothebad I’m pro-AI but monetizing AI art is both stupid and shouldn’t be allowed. AI art should be public domain.

​@@ChinothebadI wonder how do you even use AI generated adoptables lol Do the AI bros even know what adoptable is?

@@anubis7457 AI art is in the public domain. It's already been ruled that images created without human input can't be copyrighted which automatically makes them fall into the public domain.

iconic

A thief should be arrested, why quotes nowadays don't make sense to me

I mean -

Dense statement. Commodities are commodities for reasons that often go unexplained. Diamonds, for instance, are rare commodities because of the difficult process of acquisition and the sheer skill required by humans to polish them and make them overall presentable in a jewelery shop. Wheat is a commodity because not only due to its demand, but the costs that are undertaken to cultivate it, such as pest control, watering, processing, et cetera. Art may be valued as a commodity, but the reasoning behind it is that for the most part, credit is given to a human artist for ideation and hours and hours of work, if not days or weeks, on the project in question. Do I disagree with modern art? Yes. Do I disagree with the prices they go at? Sure. But no matter what, art is valuable based on the fundamental assumption of human effort and creativity, not JUST because of the beauty of the end product. How simple of you to degrade artists to mere tools when AI is clearly so much more of one. And of course I don't need to comment much on your ignorance of the art field.

Is it not a commodity? is it not mass produced for home decoration? Did Sabre not partner previously with Displate to do that very thing?

​@@Ultrox007See, the thing is, the art on Displate is created by actual human beings. That art is then scaled to one of their canvases and THEN produced, whether en masse or by commission (that is to say, produced at want) Whether its on a metal plate, a poster, or even something like a sticker or pin, the art is human-made and produced by machines in each respective format.

They should be replaced if they don’t produce what the market wants. Why should they get anymore protection than any other form labor. It is just another illustration of their arrogance.

Unfortunately Pandora's box is already open and companies like Google already have their hands in the cookie jar. They'll siphon every last drop we have and drink it like hot cocoa.

Yeah but humans aren’t reusables pngs that can be recycled constantly

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Please pin i beg you

It can be both.

It is. He wouldn't have made that comment had its not an AI generated movement. That and presenting it as human replacement. On top of the programmers lack of awareness of presenting subpar imitation to a perfectionist artist who sacrificed and lost a lot. That's three strikes in one go, an insult to life itself.

For now. We are still no where near our technological end point. So right now it is mostly just random art based upon human artists work but there is no tell for the future.

Not true at all. AI isn't generating "art" out of nothing. Humans are prompting AI to create what they want. Art made with AI assistance will possess a human's creative streak because it was a human that was using the AI programs to make stuff. I suppose it's only a matter of time until someone uses an algorithm to prompt AI art programs if it hasn't been done already but I hope it will be contained to clickbait bullshit on "news" sites similar to how AI articles are shat out now. I highly doubt anyone will call such abominations "art" however.

saying this is incorrect and unrealistic. its a nice thought but one day ai will not just be able to replace us, but even do it better than us. We have to make some laws instead of staying ignorant and using horrible examples for AI. Otherwise real art and news will get replaced by ai generation and fake news very soon. Were humans aren't that all mighty

@@antonakesson AI can't "evolve" though. Only "progress." It's literally "artificial," and there may come a time where it can assemble a perfect hamburger. It looks like a burger, feels like a burger, yet tastes empty and flavorless.

its recycling

There actually are some ai tools that do that. Seen one that does coloring and another that does inbetweening.

@@Saliferous that can be more helpful for sure

@@Saliferous do you have the names of the tools?

ai allows me who is disabled to make art that i wouldn't be able to

@@UserName-zb8ql I feel like there must be better honest ways to be able to do that

I honestly feel somewhat sad for all the bitterness of anti artists. They are witnessing the greatest revolution in art since... hell, pretty much sense the camera invention, and they are still stuck on the "oh, it's theft!" bs. I hope they can move on and learn to appreciate cool art

@@UserName-zb8ql And you're telling me this because...?

​​​@@UserName-zb8qlSorry to break it to you buddy but we slap prompts into a generator then POOF there's an image that may have one mangled limb or an hand for a head. We aren't artists.

Corporations: You mean... the money givers? The things that give me money??

ai can't replace human creativity. imagine if human creativity was not about the skills one has but the limiting factor is what the mind can create.

who are these quotes from?

Yup. Someone at my work turned in a portion of her project with AI generated. Now we are months behind because she took shortcut

The fact that big contactors are getting away with this is crazy. It should be illegal to use AI when your client explicitly tells you not to. If I used AI for any of my clients' projects, especially without telling them, I'd be getting my butt kicked out real quick.

I went in a literal antique shop yesterday and they had framed ai art and were selling it for like £26. Literally stupid

ai for mockups is fine in a personal setting, but professional? disgusting.

what did you expect would be their response when you tried telling them it was AI generated? the core purpose of marketing is to maximise profits from the sale of a product. this profit margin includes the cost of marketing, itself. they created something that required less effort and (if a job) less money than what you produced. they won the assignment.

If artists could create they'd make things truly original instead of aping those who came before or pilfering the public domain while crying for copyright to be shorter so they have more of other peoples ideas to steal.

​@@Ultrox007 tf are you talking about

And no matter how many AI bros can regurgitate the Genie in a Bottle rhetoric, all it takes is a wish for said genie to be free since AI was made on the backs of 6k+ artists. We're just the genies of said corporate bottle that only cares about profits. Oda going on break for the sake of his own health should be the start of a positive change in the manga industry after realizing we're losing too many good artists due to a toxic work environment and a high demand by the unpleasable fans.

@@Ultrox007 what are you talking about??

@@Lazzuuu I thought I'd put it simply enough for artists to understand, guess not. Let me try again. "If art student CAN make new thing, why instead take OLD thing and ADD ZOMBIE?"

Cope Luddite

Same. I just use AI to see what it can make and just show it to a friend if it looks off and deranged enough to get a laugh from them. Otherwise, it's scummy for one to use AI just to try and make money such as with DeviantArt. They have people making things like "AI adoptables" where one spends five bucks for some AI made image. Even if some effort was put in like photoshop, there's still an element to it that would make it all (for lack of a better word) scummy since the image itself was made from being trained off the work of other people.

As an artist, I can say it has helped me with ‘inspo’ like generating armor looks. Though, I would never flat out post the image and claim it ‘as my own’. I despise those people.

Strongly agreed, I only use AI for silly fun, to see what crazy pictures it can come up with and see how bad it can mess up. The idea of AI destroying art and media is horrifying.

Yeah, I've never understood how those types of people can be so pompous in the face of their foundation. Artists should be appreciated for their non-consensual contributions, at-least.

​@@Chinothebad yeah I abandoned DA cuz I only ever see ai adopts anymore Nobody tells you this but the ai adoptables on DA are free to take ((highly encouraged!!))

guess your not ready for the future where technology is at its best by flying cars and teleportion machines and robots

​@@Ben_10_inches lil bro robots are ai 😐

They already are -_- don’t do it

It won’t, don’t worry. “Animation will never be replaced by this drag and drop Schmidt that limits peoples capabilities to use their own imagination.” -Harry Patridge

You don't need AI to have "soulless" animation, humans are pretty good at doing it themselves (cough) The Emoji Movie (cough) Minions (cough) Rugrats reboot (cough). I'm just saying.

The answer is always that we should.

@@reniorjd And that's why Nuclear Weapons Exist

@@treyjordan3168 without nukes you would have major wars all the time. Also the tech lead to the development of nuclear power.

@@reniorjd this has got to be bait you cant be this stupid

ai can't replace human creativity. imagine if human creativity was not about the skills one has but the limiting factor is what the mind can create.

Yup, the irony when these directors and CEOs that wanna get so into A.I. art forget the same reason why Fast-food places using A.I. prompts for drive thrus without a physical input pad is stupid. There is no way in hell an A.I. based system can cover all the possible request in orders: Such as wanting X ingredients not present in the food, or no bread at all, or swap the ketchup or mayonaise with barbeque sauce or polynesian sauce or do it for separate sanviches, or have a small fry but a large drink or vice versa or swap regular french fries with baconator fires. Ultimately, the fk-wads forget they are sacrificing flexibility and `smart cookies` who could resolve issues they would run into with creative techniques that even go outside the so called norm of production of anything in general. Which just leads to them out-putting something so generic and lousy, that not only would you get far less people interested in it, your likely to get significantly LESS earnings, if not any and get an even larger debt put in place for all the other expenses to put the movie up, that you supposedly `saved` by shoving it on Netflix instead of screening it as a movie and the so called extra costs cut out from having actual professionals do it. Which i`ll throw in one more fun example: There`s a reason why you hire professionals todo a job instead of having some kind of amateur do it instead, which A.I. art, A.I. storyboards and A.I. fast-food servicing systems are quite literally, just amateur hour systems that cant even gain REAL developmental skills that result in flexibility, creavity and out-right innovation.

AI evolves exponentially. Remember Dall-E? Wasn't that long ago, but the difference between that first iteration of AI image generation and what's available now is like night and day. Just give it a few years and it'll be possible, even if just passable. I'm sure lots of companies are willing to pump money into this stuff as well.

​@@kingkongsz it doesnt work that well. Trash in, trash out and those models arent made to "evolve"

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@@p-__no one asked bud, nor cares

I’m guessing you’re referring to murder drones? What about it? I know she’s a VA but what does it have to do with episode 7

@@streetsweater the timing, also it’s a story that involves AI and maybe even the singularity.

Dumb comment

Making good AI pictures is not as easy as you think. There is more to process than just making a prompt and telling it to generate. There are many more things that can be done to make a picture look great. Using a program like automatic 1111 has so many knobs and dials and needs to be adjusted hundreds of times to make a good picture. At times even taking the picture out of the program to edit it and throw back it back in to refine even more. Many days can be spent trying to refine a picture one that looks great. Not everybody does and with that there are AI pictures that are extremely poor quality.

​@@au79gaming84pick up a pencil

​@au79gaming84 oh no i have to adjust settings whatever will i do

​@@nebulabunny8633 I use Photoshop almost every time when making my pictures. I almost always have to move things around or attempt to fill in the desire colors in the areas that I need it in the hopes that it will generate when I want. You tell me to pick up a pencil and I can ask you to work with automatic 1111 and see what I can do for you.

@@au79gaming84just admit you’re lazy

What are your thoughts on AGI art?

It's more like ordering a sandwich from Subway. Just because it's not your hands that built it, that doesn't make it not your creation. You just don't have the resources to make it yourself so you go someplace that does.

@@anonymousapproximation8549 nope. because there is zero skill involved making a sandwich. A meal on the other hands requieres knowledge and skill. Erverybody can make a sandwich.

@@nukenugget Anyone can slap some raw ingredients onto some shitty ass bread, sure, but so can they throw shit onto a plate and call it a meal. Not just anyone can make a _good_ sandwich, just like not anyone can make make a _good_ meal, and while some people might have the idea for a phenomenal meal, they may not have the necessary skills to make it a reality. There is some level of skill in communication that is required to get the specific result you're looking for, from a thing that doesn't even know what half the things you're describing to it even are. There's a learning process of figuring out what keywords trigger what effects, and oftentimes permutations and synonyms of those words can have vastly different results. Oftentimes I would even have to start by generating only a portion of my actual prompt in order to...train(?) it's expectations of what I want, otherwise I get a completely different result if I start with the *whole* prompt. Anyone can just ask for a meal and get whatever, anyone can just snap a photo of wherever, anyone can prompt an AI to make whatever, but not anyone can ask for a detailed meal completely planned out, not anyone can create a striking scene using photography, and not anyone can get an AI to generate overly specific images from excessively detailed prompts. You want something specific, you'll need to pour over several dozen keywords and decide which ones to add, remove, change, or modify ("white shirt" instead of _just_ "shirt") to get exactly what you want, in the exact way you want it, from something that has no idea what it's doing.

@@anonymousapproximation8549 are you an artist? becasue if so I can not understand your argumentation at all. Making art with a painting tool, or on paper is MUCH different thatn just having a computer do it from prompts. to keep it short. You THINK you are specific but in the end you are taking what the algorythm gives you. you THINK it'S your idea coming to form but it's just the closest thing that mashine can produce. The relationship is more like the relationship between a patron and an artist than being a co-artist. You give an idea and propmpts and even tweeks but in the end you work with wht the mashine gives you. Trust me I had huge results with AI music and was very happy but it was NOT what I invisioned at all. Also I can draw on paper as I can draw on digital pads. An AI "artist" stops functioning without a pc.

​@@anonymousapproximation8549you still haven't made a sandwich when you've ordered from Subway either.

The amount of hobbyist or indie games I've seen who've had their artist bail mid-project... many die on the spot from this, others hire a new artist who can't match the old style... and have to redo all the art, just for them to bail on the project too. Unfortunately, it's just normal for artists to be flaky and treat their living more as a hobby. When you're an individual putting thousands of dollars into a project, I can see why they'd get fed up. Now, you won't find me crying over AAA companies with their current quality, but I have to imagine they've got some horror stories to tell when it comes to this field as well.

Wdym?

you can do the same with art or photoshop point is?

@@LordTrashcanRulezUsing deepfakes to make porn of someone or ai generating cp

⁠​⁠@@UserName-zb8ql The difference between photoshop/ art and ai, is that with photoshop/ art you can tell that it is not real. But with ai you would not be able to tell the difference. Photoshop pictures cannot move. Animation will not look as realistic as ai. Look up deepfakes and tell me if ai ever becomes way better than it already is you’ll be able to tell if it’s real or not?

@@lilcomment1946 ok the blender you can make fake stuff with them as well so like what's your point. ai doesn't make it any easier people would just learn blender

Nobody wants to make content on heavily controversial stuff that might destroy their channel. It's not that they hate AI, the internet has just reached a point where mentioning AI gets everyone into a frenzy regardless of context. Go to an AI meme and I can guarantee you more comments are going to be complaining about AI than talking about the meme in question.

It’s really about the fact that greedy scumbags are taking advantage of the art artists make and the efforts put in to actually make said art to get a few more pennies in their pocket at the expense of hundreds if not thousands of peoples livelihoods being stolen from them

I’m not saying that Ai in itself is bad but the current execution shows how unchecked power can do more harm than good

It used to be fun!!! And then... capitalism ruined everything Again

I approve of this use as well.

I like it for writing stupid short stories with the most wacky or dumb premice I can think of. Like the time I had it write a story about parakeets in the style of shakesphere. It's like eating popcorn. It will never replace a real meal.

@@NotSoNormal1987lol, I like doing that too sometimes. It can be be absolutely hilarious by pure accident. I actually have my favorite ai generated text saved in a file on my computer. I was using one of those "continue the text from this prompt" ones, and I prompted with "it was incredible" and what followed was the best. It went "it was incredible. 'til i sat down and said "omg!" and cum like that hard. wat i liked most about you was when u were watching me and looked up at me with those blue eyes and said 'mjmpphphhh.' " XD that's seriously what it generated

Like a Shakespearian polar bear with chainsaws for arms and a duck's bill.

This is the Luddites movement all over again

Mass-produced planks and cut stones are functional, whereas "AI" "art" is not.

Indeed Honestly this ai cover of die young with rainbow dash is great But i say It should be regulated

Fair point I agree. I don’t see ai as a problem if done ok.

I don’t know even then it is a slippery slope, if i were one of those voice actors I wouldn’t like ppl taking my voice and using it however they want not even from the point of stealing jobs just from the point that as a human I don’t like feeling like a puppet for someone else’s without any saying on it

Im glad voice acting isn’t a real job and stealing their voices for memes is fine and dandy TvT

If you let it do one it's inevitably going to end up doing the other as well. And it'll be used for more than just job replacement, because with it you can make someone say anything you want them to, including making incriminating statements.

The difference is as stated in the video the arts are a form of expression. People act, draw, edit, write, etc. because it gives a sense of fulfillment to them. Most artists do art because it is fun, then they decide to make a career out of it only to find that the demand is greater than their passion and that passion dies out. The use of AI to mass produce to meet that demand is why major companies are so willing to push for AI use in the industry. They can reduce the staff to a hand full of creators, run everything else through AI software and can then take that creation and sell it for profit. In the film/animation industry where actors are concerned the rights to their voice and likeness is protected by law just like intellectual property. But with the industry thinking ahead, they are doing full body scans of many actors and vocal recordings and are getting everything in place so that should anything happen to those actors they can have (in the actors' contracts) to finish any project with AI should the need arise. And after the passing of said actors they could possibly use their likeness for a character in future films that the actor has played already but may not be allowed to let the likeness be used in roles the actor has not played while alive. As stated in the video, the laws protecting these properties are not yet made and may not catch up until years later. There is so much legality that will be going on that only large corporations will be able to set the precedence because they have the money and power to set it. Eventually there will be a saturation of the market then things will settle and a new status quo will emerge. But until then we will have to deal with the turbulence that AI art has made.

@@BektostheBlackBlade If you're sick, and there's a cure, why settle for just treating the symptoms? Do what the Hollywood unions did, and actually go after the companies. Break up the system of freelance and gig hires that enable this system, because even if "AI" or whatever gets slapped with that label gets banned? There's going to be some new tool or technology that 'threatens' creatives. It'll probably be just AI with a different brand, but maybe it'll be a different type of learning or some other revolutionary innovation. Go to the source of the problems. This is a conflict that's been going on since people were throwing shoes into looms. There's a history of what has and hasn't worked, and why. Learn from the past and apply those lessons instead of doomposting and handwringing.

THIS. People need to stop with the stupid 'is AI art real art' or 'is AI art stealing' debate. We need to pressure the corporations instead. And not strengthen IP or copyright laws, that's what Disney and the megacorps want.

@@user-fm6no9el3f Well, the whole “training data attained by scraping websites and archives for people’s work without permission or consent” portion *kinda* falls under theft. Especially if it’s books or other items meant to be purchased before they can be accessed, but generally re-use for commercial purposes isn’t allowed legally speaking. I say kinda because NAL, and AFAIK there are ongoing lawsuits over this, but that’s the one sticking point where the AI tech companies are most likely in the wrong. Which would sink their companies and make database training monopolized to big companies, but that would probably be solved by, again, companies treating the artists as something vital and important instead of disposable.

most sane take on this topic i've ever seen.

I would highly advise you to not use AI as references because it is absolutely horrific at anatomy and you won't learn anything about how anatomy/muscles really work at all. It's much better to use real life references (there are SO many website with thousands of references) or accurate, anatomically-correct models.

I respect artists but I'll still use AI occasionally, your point?

You do have a point. "AI art" did attract all the shitty commissioners. That's good at least

@@LordTrashcanRulez for memes and shitposts, I'd say that's fair use, but for mimicking artist's style, absolutely not

@@RollerBaller You can't really mimick an artist's style with AI, even the ones that you could are usually popular and not specific to a person

How do you know if you’ve seen good ai art if you can tell it’s AI?

Making good AI pictures is not as easy as you think. There is more to process than just making a prompt and telling it to generate. There are many more things that can be done to make a picture look great. Using a program like automatic 1111 has so many knobs and dials and needs to be adjusted hundreds of times to make a good picture. At times even taking the picture out of the program to edit it and throw back it back in to refine even more. Many days can be spent trying to refine a picture one that looks great. Not everybody does and with that there are AI pictures that are extremely poor quality.

​@@au79gaming84 Oh, how awful! You need to change settings! Like anyone who uses pre-made technology. You have an equation, not skill. You are more replaceable than us and you will know the frailty of peace very soon.

If anything those who are capable of using AI in an effective way may replace some those who you say have skill. At the moment I don't think AI is capable of replacing somebody who can do drywall or painting at even a amateur level. I wasn't saying that change the settings was a big deal or just that it's part of the process of refining a good picture. Just like adjusting the settings on a camera so that picture or recording comes out in a good way. Just like with drywall you have to put the joint compound on the wall seems and refine how the joint compound is on the wall. You normally have to do one thick coat in the beginning, then you put on two lighter coats standing in between. When you are putting the joint compound on the wall you are refining the edge of the joint compound so that the wall will be flat.

​@@dib327 That's the same as defending people who post AI art and then claiming that they made it themselves and not using an AI bot to create it at all.

Ah yes. That would be from Never-Ending Man: Hayao Miyazaki as he stated that this is an insult to life itself.

I'm pretty sure Miyazaki said something somewhere to this about digital art. Time has proven that the people who are against digital art were wrong. Its ironic that the people who are mostly against AI art only appear to use a digital medium.

@@woodchuck003 Except they were NOT lazy, smug nor self-entitled about it.

@@woodchuck003 Oh yeah, cause digitally drawing something yourself and still needing to be able to, y'know, DRAW is TOOTALY the same as theft and laziness. Got it.

@@woodchuck003he said it’s an abomination and an insult to humanity itself and that he never wants to see it used on a large scale, which is correct on all fronts

Yes, and it's funny this video never showed the "animated images" they showed to miyazaki. Cause it's only a zombie 3d model with AI you see anywhere in games. Yet showing that part wouldn't support the message this video is going for lol

@@kabosune9097He does later lament in the video that "Humans are losing faith in themselves" so he still is very much against ai.

Where did you get this? Because I saw that interview and he seemed to be focusing and speaking about the work presented to him specifically.

I still don’t know how anyone in their right mind would think Miyazaki, who animates with pen and paper well into his 80s would be interested in ai in any way

@@amethystimagination3332 I think it may be related to the mindset you have. The video touched on it, saying there are "I want to be done with work and go home" people and the "I'm enjoying this/this is important and I want to keep doing it" side of things. Maybe they were thinking, "hey, animation is hard right? What if you could skip the annoying parts of it" and Miyazaki is there like "annoying? So you invited me here to insult me"

His turning focus to longer form content, IMO, is gonna be really neat to watch.

ai can't replace human creativity. imagine if human creativity was not about the skills one has but the limiting factor is what the mind can create.

The slaves are starting to realize they're slaves. This is where capitalism takes us. You give up everything to make someone else rich, and they throw you to the gutter when they are done with you.

Anyone who believes that a machine cam replace a human in language translation doesn’t truly understand language. It is a living thing with slang, dialects that adapt frequently within a few years as people move in large groups to different countries quickly, and the way we use words themselves change as well. Only someone who actively uses the language and lives within the culture (to some capacity as culture has a large impact on the language) will understand how it's evolving. A.I. cannot do that.

But why do you think the machine is soulless? Like, can you give me any hard scientific proof that you have a soul?

Work to make a better translation ai

@@yourlittleinsomniac5369 exactly! Language is a dynamic concept in which changes occur quickly. Words gain or lose meanings, there are new words/phrases being made. To know a language is to know the culture, literature, memes, jokes or even just sensing things like sarcasm and irony. I feel like when ai gets programmed to "understand" those concepts, we will truly start living in a dystopia....

Try finding an indie company to work at They’re the only ones not focused on profit AI is only in use because it is cheaper and more convenient for companies to use

what's worse, is that there are Braindead people saying that AI is good and we "Pesky Artists" Deserve to lose our jobs, Especially in the Comments in this Videos Comments section The World is Really Heartless, they care about consuming Crap and getting money because its More of the new Norm of the 2020s. i still want to have hope for a Better safer Future for Artist in the Industry, but these Braindead Corps and AI Bros don't care sadly

The thing about people making content is that people also make bad content. What open ai model made The Room or Troll 2?

@@Mrnotpib at least they're enjoyable from a satire point of view AI created garbage is just... nothing. absolutely nothing to it

​@@amyroselizNot true at all, AI slop, most of the time, is just as amusing as man-made slop, in my experiences, at least

So is photography not art then?

@@dib327 Does a person not take the picture behind the photography? Does the person not find their best interpretation of motif, style or form when choosing said location or subject? The best an AI can do is work within certain parameters that it's programmer can provide. Sure you can have an AI print a photo of Mount St. Helens or Old Faithful, but there is no human element involved in the creation. No human memory or experience attached to the creation of said piece.

@@Ank502 Does a person not type out the prompt to create AI artwork? Does the person not find the best interpretation of style or form when choosing said location or subject?

A prompt unless gibberish is a human element. The algorithm itself is a human construct with some intent and tuning. Unless you're claiming it's full randomization this argument is just idiotic.

@@dib327 another part of art is the effort. Photography isn’t art unless you paint on it but it takes more effort finding the perfect positions, lighting and perspective than writing a prompt.

What announcement?

Came here to ask the same question​@@dls1960

Exactly!!

I don't agree that it belongs to the public but humans when making things make references to the relevant things to make other things. If somebody told you to make a picture of a house you would most likely look back at all the houses you have seen and form a picture of what a house looks like based on that. AI does exactly the same thing. Saying that it's theft means that it is illegal for you to make a picture of a house that could reference another house.

@@au79gaming84 Indeed, I had an artist making art for me and I could straight up tell that one of the inspirations for a sword was Nightmare from Soulcaliber. And a dwarf was inspired by Gortek. People seems to like to pretend humans don't do what AI does, just because they like humans and don't liike AI.

@@timothypeterson4781 I think it's because they are afraid of the automation and being replaced. If an artist makes low-quality art or even things that are just common request then that artist will not will not get those kinds of request anymore and could be replaced. It is funny that painters had the same kind of reaction with the development of photography claiming that the pictures will be replace painters. They both coexist now.

This is a ridiculous argument made by people who have no idea how any of this works. Its like CNN talking about ANY profession, because they only have a surface level understanding and yet think they're experts. Humans learn like humans. Computers do not. Computers CANNOT learn like humans because they are NOT human, therefore, the argument is invalid. Stop thinking these programs are human. Stop being a sucker, you're in danger of these grifters when you buy into their bull.@@au79gaming84

Oh yeah, AI generated music is pretty amazing sometimes

Shit like this would’ve taken 100 years to get done, and somehow we as a species manage to get this off the ground in a span of 2 - 3 years, its frightening AF

@@primus0348 Ikr!!

Cope. Every company in the world uses AI.

I think that people are mad when companies use AI because they could also just pay an artist for a commision but are too greedy to do so.

@ZoldyckZeno it's not just greed. Artists have made a living through commissions for years, some for decades. For some, their entire worldview is collapsing now.

Tbh, I would just enjoy your art. I am also angry personally at the people who just steal art to put it in datasets or something (Looking at you, big companies!)

Remember, if they want to be alive, they can be poisoned! We can make art that is hated by its inhuman operators.

If you want to post, ill let you in on a little "secret". There are two programs called glaze and nightshade. Use them on your work before posting, DO NOT TELL others that you're glazing/poisoning. What these programs do is essentially make your image look completely different to an AI. It still looks normal to you and others seeing it, but if it gets put into an AI generator it'll mess up the generated image. Hope this helps

@@Starrykatz yeah, I've read about them but don't know if my laptop is powerful enough to run them because they're apparently quite high requirements.

@@Starrykatz It has been proven that both of them do not work on any of the modern models.

Song unmixing is one of my absolute FAVORITE uses of AI currently - and one I follow closely in hopes of (Even gradual) refinement, improvement, tools adding more instrument unmixing options, etc.

tl;dw: Yes

Straight to the point

Maybe But Honestly if it was only a tool for visualizing it could work

​@@seantaggart7382nah

@@seantaggart7382yeah i just use it as a tool to grasp an idea of what i want something to look like, mainly fantasy type buildings. I feel like that’s a good way to use it rather than like pretending it’s ur own creation and then selling it like i’ve seen.

Well stated. Wholeheartedly agree. AI has the potential to be a great tool - but you also could not necessarily be classified as an artist if you only know how to write with a pencil. That doesn't invalidate the user of the pencil though.

Take away their machines and they got nothing. At least most digital artists can still draw good on paper, AI 'artists' can't.

@@chicken_nugs That's true. I may know most things from like Clip Studio Paint, but I'm still able to take paper, pencil, cheap markers and still make my art.

@chicken_nugs absolutely. There is definitely something very reductive about saying, "artist" but I think it's still such a grey area. I'm more inclined to call them, "Machine Learning Engineers" because, when it comes to folks who actually understand the code associated with something like Stable Diffusion, there is something still impressive there. I mean, every application I rely on for work was built by someone with more impressive coding skillset than I have - so there's definitely something unjust about calling everyone who tinkers with it, "lazy" or "not actually skilled" (even if that's what a large majority of its users are only because it's so accessible). Where I think the grey area is surrounds something like this: if someone learns a program like Blender and only knows how to create things with Geometry Nodes - but is extremely good at creating those things by understanding the influence of each node and can tweak things down to the smallest detail - is that an artist? I'd be inclined to say yes. BUT then I need to acknowledge that there are folks in the AI space that can use something like ComfyUI and do something extremely similar by creating extremely complex node trees that have total control over what they're generating in the exact same (if not more precise) way that someone in Blender would with geometry nodes. Logically, I'd still need to commend them as artists as well. The only area that still strongly differs is the "using art without consent" to train the models. Which I do agree that there is a moral issue there - but it's also not because an AI snuck into your house in the night, stole a painting off your wall, and violated your privacy. Instead, when the data mining software was collecting these things - it just associated X picture with X word and repeated that across the internet. But it's also not new - advertisers have been data mining us for years and governments have been doing it for longer. This time around, I think it definitely hits a little more personally but maybe that's the wakeup call to the fact that you're always being data mined all the way down to your scrolling pattern and predictive look areas. It still doesn't justify things like data mining and scraping for AI image models - but they also weren't a new brand of pirate. This is becoming word vomit at this point but I hope something at least came across as coherent 😂 also, apologies for any typos. I don't have my glasses on but I think I'm doing okay 🤣 Also, love your username chicken_nugs 😆

ai can easily do hands now. 99% of the time midjourney is spot-on with hands now.

Check out DA, AI slop generators selling thousands of dollars of 'OCs'

Agreed. I have had a couple artists draw my oc's. And you can work with the artist to get exactly what you want. It's better than any ai program.

You don't have to go away, but you do have to go get a real job!

​@@marthademovimaus5140 Oh, you're one of those.

@@lunacadere5233yep theyr all over the commentsection

That's the part that people need to understand. The human factor in art will ALWAYS exist, regardless. And AI it self can't create art on it's own due to needing a human to tell it what to create.

@@lunacadere5233 I'm a firm believer of *ALWAYS* have a backup plan. If you're an artist you should absolutely have something to fall back on, look what happened to game/media journalists

Wow you solved that equation? And all on your own That's really impressive. "thanks I used a calculator for the whole thing"... ...

my mother was a terrible cook. fast food is preferable over what she made.

@@oxenford539 what about something you made yourself? Would that be better than fast food? Or going to a nice resteraunt?

@@skibopmdada1152ofc the best human-made stuff is more desirable than AI-made stuff. but in many cases AI does, truly, give a better result. also depends on my budget, right? i can't always afford to go to a nice restaurant.

@@oxenford539 then make the food yourself.

AI can't make art, so why bother comparing it to it? If people want a cool-looking image, they'll either commision an artist to make one or use AI. It has less to do with "liking" something and more with availability and convenience, with the difference between AI and fast food being that McDonald's is bad for your health if consumed excessively.

I have never imagined that could be a possibility...

Artist could draw those too (loli)

@@Remake5182 yeah but that’s usually condemned

@@Remake5182 Artists can't draw extremely photoreal pictures that could easily be mistaken as the real deal, let alone draw thousands of them every day

Saying that AI art is theft is the same as saying that elves were stolen from Tolkien. Humans make reference to everything that they know to produce something and AI does exactly the same. If you was told to draw a dog you would look at references from many sources even those in your head and draw the dog from those.

Cute humble brag but it wasn’t asked for, nor is this about you in any way shape or form

@@inthewoods5494 dude what. i wasn't trying to brag and im fully aware it's not about me specifically? but i am an artist, so i wanted to try say something

@@IMPofTHEGASsTATION just felt like a “everyone look at me I’m special good thing I’m special” moment

@@inthewoods5494 ah, im very sorry it came across as that. it wasn't my intention at all, im very poor with my words

Don't mind the other guy, he came across more of an ass than you

bro hasn't tried local ai and uses trash that is censored and made to be worse

Must be infuriating when AI bros say "photography requires no skill" when in reality it clearly does require a lot of skill. AI bros treat artists, photographers etc. like dirt and are shameless about the fact they have no problem stealing from them.

@@223Drone ohh had many a "heated debate" about that. Once had a guy tell me it's just a button press so hit him with lighting composition the rule of thirds etc. his response that's just made up bs.

@@DeanIrvine I'll bet not to mention artists, photographers etc can adapt when given different tools (artist can draw with pencils or pads and photographers have knowledge of different types of cameras) AI bros on the other hand can't adapt at all. It's why they can't accept the fact what they do requires no skill or effort.

@@DeanIrvinebros literally don’t know that there’s a thing called lighting, place, time, rules of thirds, and everything else that makes photography so unique

im sorry you had to deal with this, honestly AI isn't bad but its being used in the worst ways possible by these Corpos and AI Bros, i do hope this can be resolved one day for the better for both Sides.