Measuring the weight of each tyre should be interesting for future comparison videos.

Proper interesting, another video with piles of info that's well condensed and easy to take in. Other channels would have taken 45mins to explain all of this.

I own an F10 M5 and have gone from Pzero to MPS4S having read the overwhelming support for the new tyre. It is excellent.

I start watching this channel a few years ago, vids are always very informative and nicely packed. But it also became kind of a routine to me. It's hard to explain. As seasons passes, vids switches from summer tyres to winter tyres on tracks with snow every where. And these shifts are following me along the way when i enter the differents seasons. I watch the winter test with a hot tea, a warm hoodie and it's kind of soothing. Then springs and summer comes and my habit changes, fresh drinks, fan running to cool me down. It's like a clock who give you from time to time a reminder of the season you're in.

Fantastically informative review as always 👌🏼I’m looking forward to the upcoming reviews 👍🏼

I fined it incredible how much detail you go through in these videos!! You truly do love tyres and understand every aspect of how they work. Exceptional 👍

Just wanted to thank you for your excellent work with these videos! I recently bought a new-to me car and when the time for a new set of tires came, your videos were a game changer. I went with 4 Goodyear eagle F1 asymmetric 5's based on one of your recent ones and the difference from the P7's is night and day! Thanks for the effort mate, keep it up! 🤙🏼🤙🏼

Best tire reviews on youtube, by far.

Anyone else doing Tyre Reviews should simply stop, The King has Spoken !

Great video as always and very informative. I have put a set of Michelin PS4Ss on my 981 GT4, I've kept the Cup 2's that were previously on the car for track work. I can confirm the PS4Ss are great on the GT4 and I can now drive it in all our glorious UK weather conditions without worrying about anything that wet conditions can throw at you when using Cup 2s.

This is the video I’ve been waiting years for!!

Thanks for a great review! I'm impressed how you're able to pick these tiny details between them

Excellent video, as usual. Seeing a new upload from this channel is always a treat.

Clear explanation, interesting subject, image quality: video after video, the quality of this channel increases. impressive. Well done.

Excellent and interesting video mate :-)

Great content, looking forward to the track tyre comparison test

Thanks for another brilliant review video! I'm really looking forward to the track tire comparison. I'd really appreciate a tire shoot out under these current european winter conditions (wet 5-10°C, no snow and ice). That would be absolute awesome!

Another really great tyre review , lots of details that us petrol heads really want

It is like you make these videos for me as a M2 owner, thank you so much for the video!

Whoop, it’s coming up to winter. That’s where my interest is. Keep up the good work.

One thing to add is longevity. I got 20k miles out of the PSS and 30k miles on the PS4S over similar driving conditions with a F80 M3. I replaced the PS4S with the same tire not because the tread was gone but the compound had gotten hard after 3 years and grip levels had diminished. (I estimate I was within 6 months of the tread wearing out). Highly recommend the PS4S.

I’ve had PSS on my car, now I tell paved them with PS4. Looked up values on different tests in different countries. The noise level is better, somewhat lower fuel consumption, bit better comfort, noticeable better grip in turns. The PSS, although the older and inferior tyre was available at a slightly higher price than the PS4 so it was an easy decision to make and am very happy with the decision. The tyres have been driven only on public roads so far, no track yet. Thanks for the great review, glad it confirmed my opinion too 😋

The King 👑 back at it nice work. I’m still looking after those Michelin pilot super sports on a white M2 Competition Due to lockdown it’s home and clean a lot more 😉 😁

You legend! I say that if one has manually adjustable suspension, don’t be afraid to deviate from OE tyres for newer off-the-shelf tyres. You can compensate handling differences by adjusting dampers and geo.

Mate, these are brilliant videos. Well done to you. I stumbled across this channel yesterday, looking for new tyres for my Golf (decided on Goodyear F1 Asymmetric 5 thanks to your reviews), but am 15+ vids in now and loving your frank and objective analyses. I now know way more about tyres now that I ever thought I would.

This one very informative upload answers the biggest single question I had about tyres. Respect.

Another awesome video, very interesting to see and it's a good thing that you have pointed out the problem with OE then going aftermarket tires. Great content, can't wait for track day tires, I hope you went super deep into it :) Cheers!

And PLEASE, when you finally do do the trackday tyre test, don't forget to include the budget trackday tyres like Zestino Gredge, Federal 595 RS-R, Nankang NS-2R or Ar1, Yokohama AD08 RS etc... That would be massively interesting. Anyway thanks for this awesome video, keep up the good work!

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Thank your informative test! I replaced my Pirelli P-Zero tires to Michelin PS4S Wow what a difference! They are fantastic!

The amount of effort and time you put in these videos...just wow Awesome content, keep up man! :D

Thank you for this interesting review. On my BMW M3 E92 I just changed from Michelin PSS aftermarket to PSS OE and noticed a big improvement. It's still a great tyre, for the next change I will go for the PS4S.

Exactly my question, and almost exactly my car! (2017 OG M2) Appreciated!

Thank you sir! This is a question I've been wondering myself!

This is stuff we need to know, good job!

Great review as always, just changed Oe Audi hankook tyres on my tts for Goodyear super sports. Let’s just say it’s a different car now with virtually no understeer. Your reviews really helped me make a decision on what to buy. Keep it up mate

Really interested to see the track day review between cup and 888r. Also, on my hill climb car I use the extreme VR2, would be interested to see a review on them against a 888r. Another great video with loads of info thanks.

Great in depth info. Top job

Brilliant video and review Jon 👍🏻

Difficult to answer that question. OE tyres are always that compromise between price and best performance for that particular car model. It's easy to find better tyres than the OE, but even easier to buy other tyres which doesn't add to the overall performance.

Very interesting, thanks a lot. Makes me feel better too as I have just replaced three sets of tyres with PS4 👍

Thank you so much for this review!

As ever a really interesting video. Well done 👍🏻

I look forward to the track day tyre vid! I'm only in a Civic EP3 but I look to be doing some track days at Anglesey and Oulton and even some nurburgring work very soon.

Another fantastic video! Well done 👏 ✔

Another great review.

I am glad you put the caveat that "your car may be different". My last Porsche, a 2007 Boxster S, after many replacement sets of the N spec PSS, I finally tried the P4S non N-spec. It was cheaper, and on paper, better in every way. However, I found the ride to actually be harsher, understeer went up, and steering sharpness decreased. I was shocked, especially as I expected the ride to be better, yet it was not. To be clear, it was the way the car transferred small bumps into the car, like going over a gap in the pavement that I really felt with the P4S, not over-all ride quality. It's replacement the 2015 Boxster S is still on its N-spec Pirelli rubber, and for it's job as a daily it works great, but when it is time, I will have to make the same leap of faith again and there is something to knowing how the N-spec will feel that gives comfort. The GT4 will likely always have its N-spec Cup2s...those tires are just incredible and fit the mission.

Great video contents!

0:51 into the video and I am excited already!!!

PSS: Road dry,wet / Track dry,wet....... all rounder avg. (in this context/comparison) PS4S: Road dry/wet-comfort/performance, respectively/Track wet performance GTR3: Track dry performance Always brilliant reviews!!

Video for suv still waiting!! Good job like always anyway!

Well done, as always. What you should really do is compare the much-hated Conti SportContact 3 that Michelin fitted to some M2's against the MPSS. I wonder how it would do.

If there is someway you can test on the OE tyres.. Something like the Hyundai i30N was developed & came out with the Pirelli P-Zero's But yet many owners have complained about those & have fitted the Michelin PS4S. Saying it makes a huge difference.. I'm sure there are other cars that also have OE spec tyres, but yet a different brand of tyre might be better... Great video as always. Appreciate the effort that goes into making these..

Hi, that's a great video as usual, but I've got to bring up the tyre pressure issue again. Of course the standard recommended pressures will be right for the OE tyre, but there's absolutely no guarantee that they are going to be best for the PS4S. It's a completely different tyre. I really do think it would be well worth trying a few pressure variations to see if you can bring the very best out of tyres you test. It would be really interesting too.

Can't wait the for track test between the Cup 2, Trofeo R, r888r and the GTR3. I run a track day tyre all year round so will be interested if I keep the Cup 2 I currently have and love or go something difference especially if there is a significant price difference as they are not cheap to replace. I've learnt more from watching your videos than any other source of information keep it up.

This explains a lot. I think I read The fiesta ST came with PSS then has been updated to PS4 for the Performance Edition, which rides better........ Good work Sherlock!

Great work as usual Jon. I run a 15yr old Boxster and the two OE approved tyres from Pirelli and Bridgestone are now 20yr old technology and seemingly haven’t been updated, which seems ridiculous.

Would love to see a comparison video between Cup2 MO and Cup2* on a BMW M2. I am a car guy also a vehicle dynamic guy work in car manufacture. I really like all your videos, there are still many tyre myths that need to be answered, you are doing a great job explaining the black magic to the general public in detail and in style :)

Great video! In my opinion, the oem marked tire is not automatically (even when the car gets freshly released with it) the "best" tire for the car. It is the tire, that makes the car behave like the manufacturer prefers, or intends it to do within the capabilities of that specific tire manufacturer. "Best" is too subjective for that i think, everybody has a different opinion on what is best. Maybe you prefer more comfort, or maybe you prefer pointier steering as the manufacturer... I have never had any issues with non oem marked ones, as long as i used quality tires. I mean i put AO winter tires on a small Mercedes SUV, and they are great. (4 winters now, absolute no complaints) I put non oem marked Michelin summer tires on the same car to replace the Pirelli MO ones, and i prefer how the car ddrives with these Michelins by far. (of course in this case it could just be that the Pirelli's felt bad as they were 4 years old, but the difference was extreme.)

Great. You answered My question to you some 1,5 year ago 👍. Now you made yourself another video opportunity by comparing a oem ps4s with an aftermarket dito.

thanks a lot that is exactly what I would like to know! I own an M2 competition and I am thinking about switching to PS4S, and I think I probably will after watching this video.

Now on 4s on my seat leon cupra. Great tire for all year long.

That was great info, thanks. Happen to have an M2Comp so was wondering whether the P4S would help.

I am actually surprised that the PSS* was a little bit faster than the 4S on the dry. Good video as always, it is a shame that no one does this kind of tests for motorcycle tyres, as OEM tyres are even more common on motorcycles I would say.

Thanks for this, as I prefer older cars, with fewer electronic aids, but still want the part connecting the vehicle to the road to be the best it can be.

More clarity from the tire manufacturers would be wonderful. But what did I learn most from this video?! Get Cup 2's 😄

My Peugeot 208 came with Michelin Energy Savers (I think the non-Plus variant). I upgraded to Michelin CrossClimate+ all round two years back, partly because I wanted something better suited to a wide range of conditions, but also because I believed that tyre technology had come on in six years. They certainly didn't feel any worse in any particular aspect, and having that extra confidence in winter meant money well spent. The fact they're also rated much better in terms of rolling resistance (peculiar given the 208's focus on efficiency) is a bonus.

My 2016 Audi A3 came with Pirrelli run flats and shopping for tires is hard as i feel there must be better tires but reading reviews and watching videos the data seems all over the place. I like your recommendation for transparency with the changes in the OEM tires as that would make the choice alot easier

Love these videos, would love to see a PS4S star marked VS off the shelf for a car that comes with it standard

Honestly, the Pirelli P Zero summer tires should have been in this comparison test. The Pirelli tires are OEM on so many high end sports cars and sedans. I would have loved to see the differences of Michelin vs Pirelli on this test.

I love my Michelin A/S 3+ tyres!

I love the AD08R's on my R53 and get away with them year round. I've heard the new AD08RS isn't as good but would like to see you throw that into the track/all year round review you mentioned at the end Great review as always

As a Gt86 owner I can certainly say that aftermarket is better than the oe tyre :))

One big thing is lots of manufacturers for ages used terrible tires from the factory. In the past 5? Ish years the manufacturers have finally started caring about tires

Thank you for all the time and effort you put into making this video and all the others in the channel. In the upcoming all seasons test, IF it is available in the size for the car you will be using, can you include the new Nokian Seasonproof which was announced 5 days ago? (Nokian say only some sizes are being launched in autumn 2020 and the rest in 2021).

Great Review thank you 👍 🇺🇲 The Vermonter

Yeah, I remember when I had the PSSs I had to drop the tire pressure to 2.0BAR instead of the recommended 2.3BAR (front axle). With the PS4 I can keep it at 2.1. I know it's just 0.1bar which is not even 1.5PSI, but the difference is noticeable. Also on public streets where dust and small debris are not uncommon the PS4 (there is no S option in Europe for my Mazda 3MPS BK and I will not go 19" just for that) seems to be more consistent and less upset by any of these impurities.

Amazing review as always. I fitted the ps4s on my 340i which came with run flat potenza stock which were awful. The difference was night and day far more comfort launch control now works even after a remap and cheaper to buy!

Cheers, with my PSS about to hit 2mm or less in areas I've been undecided to replace with PSS just on the rears as the fronts are good still. But PS4S seems to have the wet advantage, comfort and sound. Hope it doesn't make my M2 boring though, breaking traction is fun!

Been following this channel for a while now and love all the testing. Not sure if you've done this before but could you do a road legal dedicated track tyre comparison such as with the Toyo R888, Yokohoma Advan, and Dunlop DZ03

You make a good point that a tyre may be * marked, but 1. Which BMW was it star marked for and 2. Several years down the line whether the *ryness been updated (Like N1, N2...) PS Ha! PS, how appropriate! I went with the Michelin PS4 S for my e61 M5 and I am very happy with them, but due to lockdown only a few hundred miles so far. Thank you for the reviews. Keep em comin. Eg Michelin CrossClimate 2 vs Eurowinters in citycar size (to persuade non-believers that a one tyre solution will help save them from embarrassment when it snows this winter)

Interestingly the M2 standard stock tyres is now coming with Michelin Pilot sport 4s in Australia. Great video btw

I have the PSS on my M140i, fingers crossed Michelin will make the PS4S in my size and available in the UK. Or I might go Goodyear Supersport!

Excellent video as always. Now lets hear about all season tyres. No meat and no fish we say in German:-)

Hey awesome video further cements the idea of running 4s over oem pss on my RS. One suggestion for the video is to add to the corner what tire you're talking about as it's harder to watch if you miss when you switch tires.

Thanks for another great video! I have been asking for this for a few times already, but I would like like to see/hear your view on tire aging. Maybe some tire manufacturer or reseller has a set of 5 old winter or sommer tires which can be comparet to a brand new tire on track and road. I know there are some rules that you should not buy an older tyre (5 years +) and use a tire older than 10 years - but I never saw someone test the effects on grip and daily driving or even track driving.

really nice!

Great video Jon, very good review. Could you tell the Giti was a sticky 220 treadwear? Probably 100 treadwear less than the other 2?

exactly the video I want!

Thank you. I have just gone through this with my Porsche. In the end, the OE tyres are not available so I went with Yokohama Advan Sport. Very grippy but not as comfortable. All things considered, a good compromise.

I went for the aftermarket 4S after the PSS on my '18 F82 wore out. Could not be happier with its all-around performance. I understand from my BMW dealer that the star marked 4S that is now OEM on the G8x wouldn't work on my F82 due to it being a bespoke tire for the new gen car and that I was better off getting the generic aftermarkets.

Amazing video Jon, as always. Have you ever considered to do a video comparing a NORMAL car w/ oe tyres vs same car w/ uhp tyres? I mean... 150-200hp normal cars... I installed mps4 on my bmw 120d, wich comes standard with bridgestone potenza S001 runflatd. It has REALLY changed the way the car drives and it FEELS a lot faster. But.. is it only a feeling? Or is it really a lot faster on a track? I think that it will be VERY INTERESTING to know. Thanks and keep up with the amazing work!!

The original delivered summer tires (forgot brand and model) had heavy saw tooth problems on my Golf VI with 118 kW. So I switched to Conti Sport Contacts and later to Premium Contacts.

Good well balanced commentary

Interesting video with the results unsurprising. A newer version of a tyre would be expected to have measurable improvements over the predecessor. To my knowledge there are only minor differences between an oem marked tyre and a non marked version - these are usually in relation to dimensional tolerances and other minor parameters and not fundamental differences. I would be interested if you compared oem vs non oem versions of the same tyre. I expect that they would not show much difference under road driving conditions with the non oem tyre being 10% cheaper!

One must be aware that sometimes manufacturers put the cheapest, i.e. least expensive tyres on the factory car. So, the OEM is not always the best. However, on some cars, the OE tyre is the best. So, it depends.

brilliant!

Great content as always 👍🏻 I’ve N0 idea where you’d even start with unraveling the idiosyncrasies of the Porsche specific tyre world 🤓

Please include the nankang ar-1 and Dunlop direzza in your track tyre test

In 2 years, unless something happens, I need to change my SportContact 6 on my Type R. I hope, that by that time, the Michelin Cup2 Connect are available in 245/30 ZR20. Or I really do get a new set of wheels entirely. 245/35 ZR19 from the Type R Sport Line. But Michelin is looking tempting these days for summer tyres. For winter, I currently will stay with my Vredestein tyres. Michelin knows what they are doing in terms of sporty tyres. Not just car tyres, but motorcycle tyres as well. Tyre technology is always developing. It's only natural, that after a certain time, the OE tyres are not top of the top anymore for that particular vehicle. In the sport segment, that is even more noticable than in the touring segment. When I changed from the BT015 to the BTS20 on my Fireblade back in the days, it was like night and day, especially in the wet and on the track in hogh temperatures. The BT015 overcooked and became mushy in just a few laps, the S20 kept the grip for longer. With car tyres, it is similar, though I feel like, the current developement is slowing down a little. Especially with a couple of manufacturers like Bridgestone and Dunlop. That probably has also to do with motor sports involvement, since a lot of them have become, at least tyre wise, one make races. That might be more competetive, but it also slows down developement.