is Scyther still mid or am I just skill issued on it?

Cris we shouldn't forgot that time when Scyther was banned from tournament because it one shotted entire teams . Do you want that back!

Spragels and cris' opinions being opposite sides of a coin

Somehow our opinions are exact opposite 0:05, sword dance feels a little clunky to me, while double hit is just smooth. I like Scyther though. It has carried me to 1600 for the last 4 seasons, and I'm just happy for the buffs (I play weight, weakness, razor; if anyone wants the build)

Scyther definitely feels a lot more playable We might just witness Overlord playing Scyther this weekend

I think you're just up against a particularly nasty team comp. I mean playing into buzzwole ninetails, dark urshifu moonblast gardevoir and blastoise... Without full heal into this is probably every speedsters nightmare

I don’t think it’s bad you were againts an entire cc team and umbreon and blissey were the only actual players on your team

I've been a swords dance believer from day one. The burst is kinda ridiculous on scyther lol

Swords Dance would be better on Scyther if the stacks didn’t go away so quickly. It’s difficult to get the extra damage off from Swords Dance since Scyther does not have a move that does a lot of hits like Scizor. You usually run out of time and lose the stacks.

Double hit on Scyther for resets, and mobility is just too good.

The build I run is Attack Weight, Charging Charm, Razor Claw with X Attack A lot of mons just explode on the spot if you play it very ambush like, even bulkier guys with X Attack

personally I play double hit on scyther as u get more mobility and easier resets when ulting in team fights but it really depends which you find easier to play :)

This reminds of chris and spragels argument about solar beam vs petal dance

i've tried to play scyther (before the buffs) and it felt like you got stunned too easily to get your combo off like, if you double hit into someone, tried to bounce off and you got an awkward bounce or you got stunned, you were just kinda done🥲 the execute on dual wingbeat's follow-up attack is great but yea...

Did you know you can cast Dual Wingbeat during the Double Hit jump and proc the homing attack just like Scizor with Bullet Punch? It gets a little wonky in chaotic fights, but that might help with how awkward it feels for you.

Lost my first draft game as hoopa but still had fun because my team mates were actualy good. Kinda wish we had a better ranking/ match making system to get more fights like this

I run doublehit with Attack Weight/Amp/OtherDamageItem and fullheal. With swords dance yeah its easier to kill a single target, but without the resets i feel like i can't leave if the fight looks bad, or chase harder for more kills if it looks good. You get so much extra mobility that you can drop the eject for fullheal which makes it harder to peel you off of the carries. Drawback is that you kind of are forced to stack up because of the damage you miss from swords dance. With a level lead you can get away with less, but if you don't make it to ray fight with at least 4 it can feel bad. Fun though, slightly less face roll nightslash meow basically.

We need a Doble hit Scyther gameplay. Give us the entire experience

I highly think it's a skill issue but I encounter a scyther that seems to struggle killing an owl. I was the owl and it's easy to escape it too even when it unite me. I'm not a Scyther or Scizor main but is it make sense that people prefer double hit on Scyther because it is easier to proc sword dance with Bullet Punch?

Scitther with sword dance..yeah

Cris feels the same way about Scyther that I do with Solar Blade Leafeon.

i mean atleast it does not one shot the entire teams in tournaments like earlier times with the buffs

I honestly think there have been many factors. You don't seem as loose playing it as you did in a while, especially when using Unite. Also that double hit is a little better on him and that you should probably try with Charm item

I think unite cd wouldve been good to add in as well

I think the only reason I think it's mid is because swords dance helps scyther kill things obviously but it doesn't let you catch anything but if your double hit now you can't kill anything lmao

Double Hit it's the best option for Scyther because it feels the same as Kha'Zix. I've been playing a lot of Scyther with both builds and DH it's much better cuz of the movement.

I spectated Overlord yesterday in a ranked match using full heal Scyther, he was diving the backline with its unite combo and wiping all the squishies in ko streaks, he made that thing look broken Edit: he was jungling so he had the lv advantage too

I finally got two drafts today😭won both!

i feel like this game showcased why double hit is better… many situations you were in could have really benefited from the extra range you get from that dash. not to mention the chasedown potential and resets. yeah sure maybe not enough damage to kill but also maybe try different items? idk i think this vid is not enough to say that scyther is still not good.

I actually prefer double hit to escape and to catch enemies + i use energy amplifier to do enough damage and farm unite for the next fight

Double it to next person that hit 😅

Am I missing something but how on earth is a Blissey with that little healing 8:57 any good?

I prefer double hit because wiping a team while getting the resets on dual wingbeat is exhilarating

I think you need reconect with the pokemon

Man there were three bad player on your team they were criminally bad and you were still able to carry somewhat i approve of scyther

Bad teammates can make even an op Pokemon lose somehow just my POV .

Who needs scyther when volt ball pika one shots all the attackers on the enemy team

I had played both schyter and scizor and scizor is still the best side,actually scizor got to much potential in both builds

Not garbage at all. Definitely carried and almost won a 3v5 at Ray. Just needed one or both of your guys there.

I've found more success by rushing into enemy team with reckless abandon with both scyther and scizor. One ko is all it takes to chain the enemy ko. I kept screaming at cris to just go in when he held back this game but then I see uncooperative teammates like that umbreon and buzzswole....

Does razor claw work on dragonite in slowing opponents movement speed as it is ranged pokemon but the 'outrage' move is melle move ????

Use double hit bro trust

I prefer full heal

good pokemon bad teammates

Is scyther a Speedster

How your dual wingbeat reset?

you feel scyher was garbage due to team comp . i would feel the exact same if i am against moonblast ninetails surf blastoise buzzwole and dark bear

To put it simple, if the enemy team is tanky sword dance, if is squishi double hit it really ain't that hard, but 1 thing for sure use attack weigth jesus christ you will be usseles with 0 stacks

Without Full Heal, there's just nothing Scyther can do into a comp like that.

I agree with twitch chat, Scyther with sword dance is really weird to play. Scyther with double hit is just good for mobility I think sword dance buff just right for Scizor

I think sword dance was buffed on scizor not syther

Double hit is way better than sword dance for scyther

I think scyther looks good and you played well. Your team was just bad

If you’re going to play scyther as an assassin (which I think is his purpose) double hit is the better move for cornering your target. I do think it’s awkward looking though. Swords dance looks better aesthetically.

Cris u dont know which move synchronises with which move Like, sword dance is litteraly better on scizor bcoz of how many basic atks it can do to unleash the final atk of sword dance And scyther is obviously a speedster and speedster needs high mobility and a skill which resets which double hit gives U could have catched ninetales and gardi with double hit all time instead of being ccd by ninetales everytime after choosing sword dance

Double hit is the easy build. Swords dance is for the advanced players

It's you

I still prefer double hit IMO it’s so much more versatile than swords dance

No it is now balanced in a perfect position.

Imagine defending a 1 HP Goal from Regieleki when Ray is up LOL xDDDD

Still hate to play it because that setting bs

Not just you, scizor feels really good now but scyther is still lacking, might be the meta tho.

Honestly I don’t think it’s bad, you just were given a horrible team and a horrible team comp to go against. You still near did 100k with it! I’ve still yet to try SD in ranked, but scyther seems really good to play

Did scizor got any buff or just the scyther.....?

Scyther is good right now, that was a just a bad matchup.

People who think double hit is better than swords dance truly make no sense, they think the move was made for scizor then refuse to ever use it on scyther and just blindly call swords dance bad on scyther Benefits of Double hit are extra range, but SD + DWB and unite too is already so much range, double hits extra range is straight up unnecesary and never needed, it makes no difference, and youre trading damage for it. The resets are also not worth it, your cooldowns are already so low, after a full swords dance combo youre CDs are nearly up already too, and the unite move literally gives both moves a full reset too even with swords dance. benefits of swords dance: 20% damage on EVERYTHING, which is massive on a literal speedster with super high attack already.Plus has the bonus extra slash of swords dance for even more. And SD boosts the unite move too making it instakill so many pokemon. Even defenders dont survive a full technician swords dance dual wingbeat combo. A speedster wants to kill as quick a possible and swords dance allows that, it also allows for insanely fast solo ripping objectives, one combo almost kills a regi. Swords dance is the better move.

Scizor as well is still garbage, i play mostly range characters so i always kite them like crazy.

Double hit is the way

Double hit is better and Scyther is actually good now

The problem is that Dwingbeat is still poorly made😂

It wasn't a skill issue, it's just that Scyther unlike other speedsters doesn't have enough damage. You did the most of both the teams, but you still couldn't win because you didn't have enough damage to KO them. Scyther's late game is the worst. Moreover, if you do 1 combo on any other speedster you end up doing more damage than 1 scyther combo. Take Zearaora for example 1 dash move and 1 burst move. Scyther's dual wing beat is skill shot and less reward, and to get the most of it you have to go in with the extra dash, that most of the time puts you in bad positions, and because it's squishy, you easily die.

Make it bulky or give shielding atleast after using dual wingbeat like buzzwole superpower

Is no one gonna talk about the atk weight that was just waiting to be used?bro like 0 stack scizor is also shit so ye. try to get 6 stacks with scyther. 5:31 blastoise got away ez

Scyther is just bad it doesn’t have enough damage/health to carry

Hot Take: Scyther's never been garbage, people just couldn't fill the skill gap requirement. Also, Scizor>Scyther.

scyther subpar 🙄😒

I dont even think you yourself know why youre calling Scyther bad. Nothing about him this game was bad, you had multiple team wipes, instakilling all rounders, multikills from unite move etc. Nothing this game went wrong because of scyther, ofc you dont know how to carry in a literal 3 vs 5 ray fight, and still almost did. You let one game of bad teammates decide how you feel about the whole pokemon so quickly No one has given me any genuine reason why they think scyther is bad, they just say it. It has everything all speedsters have, speed, dashes, range, healing, one shots, resets even with swords dance, a good unite move, and gets some of the most quadras and pentas of any pokemon People clearly just have scizor bias and decide to claim scyther is bad for god knows what reason, he was never bad, and is even stronger now

Day 4 of asking for a zera vid

Unrelated to this video, I've unsubscribed to Spragels.

Scizor is better...

Swords dance is a shit

I disagree with you cris on this one. Scyther clearly is far better now and you just proved it with this game you know. Before the buffs it was almost impossible to give even an average performance with it consistently(you can have good games but in like 3/10 games it felt like a troll) but now it seems far more playable and no longer a troll and that’s what we needed. And as for what build to choose both swords dance and DH are completely viable but for this game i would say DH was the play with mons like urshi and buzz dancing around with DH would be the play and you can use resets from killing their squishies.

dumb teammates

Definitely still mid, there are so much better options.

Double hit against range . Sword dance for melee

Honestly double hit is kinda the way on scyther Also he needs to not be buffed again after this patch hes in a good spot

Double hit just feels natural on an assassin. Ability Resets (especially movement types) are Important to squishy assassins. Ahem Katarina. It's just weird that other pokemons are expected and given buffs to carry but Scyther was like "No... We can't buff it because it'll carry too much." Yeah sure, with 2 of the bans going to the auto-locking anti-movement circles. Okay Timi definitely bad news.

Scyther with sword dance is dogwater. Double hit is a whole different story.

Your performance was stellar. The mewtwo & buzzwole were fed stupid juice when they were younger & probably dropped on their heads a few times. Outrageously bad players.

Cris cris do you really forgot about Attack weight