Is Calvinism Biblical? DID CHRIST DIE FOR ALL? - Douglas Wilson and Steve Gregg Debate, Part 4 of 6

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Steve Gregg and Douglas Wilson debate the biblical accuracy of Calvinism. The conversation focuses on the assurance of salvation, specifically whether Christ died for every individual or only for a select few. TRANSCRIPT: opentheo.org/i/25490373890918...
Part 4 of a 6 part debate between radio host and author Steve Gregg (thenarrowpath.com/biography.php) and renowned author and pastor Douglas Wilson (dougwils.com/about).
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@SteveGreggVideos 22 күн бұрын

Steve Gregg and Douglas Wilson debate the biblical accuracy of Calvinism. The conversation focuses on the assurance of salvation, specifically whether Christ died for every individual or only for a select few. TRANSCRIPT: opentheo.org/i/2549037389091852589/is-calvinism-biblical-part-4 DEBATE PLAYLIST: kzfaq.info/sun/PLtzt3JhaK2U7gWyGypPKqbkqsBCMp0t_s

@timothybierl2746 26 күн бұрын

A failure here, primarily on the Calvinists side is that thinking the atonement safes, it does not. The atonement pays the cost of sin, but if we do not accept the atonement of Christ by trusting in the payment of Christ, we are rejecting the payment for our sins and are left paying the price on our own. Which we all know that we cannot pay and that is why we would be destined to suffer hell. Let's put it this way, if a group of people go to dinner and one person offers to pay for dinner and you reject the offer, you are then left to pay the bill on your own and you left your wallet at home. Now you are stuck. You will pay your bill on your own, the original offer is gone. Where would you end up?

@neverpc4404 26 күн бұрын

Your assumption that ❤you understand the Calvinist view is 100% in error

@coreyaguirre8118 26 күн бұрын

so is it possible that EVERYONE could not accept Jesus' payment, and he quite literally died for nothing? Technically yes, with this view you hold

@chaddonal4331 26 күн бұрын

@@coreyaguirre8118 But God’s foreknowledge is part of the equation. Redemption didn’t happen apart from God’s foreknowledge, but in concert with it. You can see God’s intention of the extent of the saved in Revelation where a group of the redeemed is so large as to be declared uncountable or innumerable!

@markemma5 24 күн бұрын

Steve Greg did an admirable job and has an excellent grasp of Scripture. Wilson is a gentleman and respectful, much more so than many divine determinists, but I find his points so frustrating and insufferable. We can hope Greg was able to budge some Calvinist to consider his points. Lord willing.

@jamesba-xd7xf 26 күн бұрын

the first point made by steve gregg in the first 2 minutes is the most important statement ever made about calvinism and it totally destroys calvinism, may I add this.....Jesus commanded ALL CHRISTIANS to "go into all the world and preach the GOSPEL to EVERY CREATURE".....IF calvinism is true then Jesus commanded us to LIE to most people by telling them Jesus died for them when he didnt, this makes Jesus a liar. calvinism is heresy. GREAT JOB STEVE!!!.

@StupidHunterz 26 күн бұрын

Great point!

@neverpc4404 26 күн бұрын

So you rely on your salesmanship thus seeker friendly churches

@jamesba-xd7xf 26 күн бұрын

@@neverpc4404 WHAT?? a seeker friendly church is a church that entertains people and preaches the prosperity gospel....WHAT does that have to do with anything in my post?

@chaddonal4331 26 күн бұрын

Your point presumes that “the gospel message” is that “Jesus died for everyone”. To Calvinists, the gospel message is that Jesus died for the elect. So, they can continue to preach their understanding of the gospel without lying to people (I.e. “Jesus died for you.”) They only lie if they say that - which contradicts their gospel.

@jamesba-xd7xf 25 күн бұрын

@@chaddonal4331 then there is no proof or assurance that jesus died for you or me or anyone else.

@lakevacm 22 күн бұрын

I guess a God who is innocent, pure and good is not as attractive to some folks as a cynical God who is the originator of evil.

@mitchallheady 26 күн бұрын

Wonderful debate. Seems the end gets cuts off mid sentence

@galaxyn3214 24 күн бұрын

I don't believe in Calvinism. If I'm correct, it's because God does not operate according to Calvinist theology. If I'm incorrect, it's because God predestined me to disbelieve in Calvinism. I live in accordance with God's will either way.

@canadiankewldude 26 күн бұрын

*_Deu 31:8 And the LORD, he it is that doth go before thee; he will be with thee, he will not fail thee, neither forsake thee: fear not, neither be dismayed._* *_- KJB_*

@adventures8977 26 күн бұрын

"Whover has, more will be given..." (Matthew 13:12; Matthew 25:29) There's different subjects to "believe." Such as believe the Holy Spirit testifying about sin and then there's belief in Jesus as Savior and Lord. One belief leads to the next level of belief. If a person rejects the belief of the reality of sin then they are not going to advance to the next level of belief (belief that Jesus is Savior)

@andrewtsousis3130 25 күн бұрын

If anyone questions if their family and friends are “elect”, their hope for salvation is not in Christ alone, it’s in “election”. Any doctrine that takes the focus off Christ alone for salvation is false. Re atonement, why can’t Calvinists simply see that Christ died for all men, and the atonement applies when we believe? Anyone who has never read the scriptures, and do for the first time, will see this is the message. It takes some mental and doctrinal gymnastics to see otherwise. Calvinisim literally takes what God told us to do which is “believe”, and calls it a selfish work. There is nothing more boastful, then eventually standing in front of God saying “thanks for choosing me”. This is the Calvinist position. Calvinisim is literally the wrong Gospel.

@antoniowyckoff2 25 күн бұрын

🎉 100%

@jorgeperez9353 26 күн бұрын

Calvinist can't preach honestly about the love of God to every human being. They have to tell people God loves you, but if you aren't one of the elected, you'll be lost forever. That will be an honest way to preach by the Calvinist.

@neverpc4404 26 күн бұрын

And you have to rely on technique and persuasion and being a good salesman. Then hope that that person is wise Anton their own to believe what you say

@coreyaguirre8118 26 күн бұрын

God loves every sinner, he has a special love for his elect. Simply allowing us to live is him showing love and mercy on us, elect or not. The non-elect dont care that theyll be "lost" forever, they are dead to their sins and have no desire to truly know Christ.

@jorgeperez9353 25 күн бұрын

@coreyaguirre8118 let me ask you. The non- elect has the opportunity to be saved ?

@neverpc4404 25 күн бұрын

@@jorgeperez9353 we don’t know who is elect or who isn’t. Our command is to present the gospel and allow the Holy Spirit to bring the harvest. What do you pray for when praying for someone who is lost?

@coreyaguirre8118 25 күн бұрын

@@jorgeperez9353 it comes down to understanding the fallen state of man. Romans is clear, NONE are righteous, and no human is capable to coming to Christ on their own. We are enslaved to sin and have no desire to come to Christ. The holy spirit must open the heart of an individual and fill them with his irresistible grace in order for someone to be saved. So in that sense, no, if God has not chosen to open the heart of a sinful individual and fill it with the grace of the holy spirit, they have not been saved.

@user-zs2ly5qu3f 26 күн бұрын

Where is part 5,6?

@daddybuffnstuff 26 күн бұрын

They are getting released it parts. I'm not sure when the next one will be uploaded though

@mikelyons2831 26 күн бұрын

It amazes me that so many follow this unbiblical tripe (Calvinism)...yet I'm not surprised. 👿 first & favorite go-to is "Hath God indeed said?".

@neverpc4404 26 күн бұрын

As opposed to your make a decision as if you being dead in your sins can choose what is good

@mikelyons2831 26 күн бұрын

@@neverpc4404 It appears you have been taught Calvinism & sadly believe it. So did Paul lie in Romans 1:16? Is there not enough power in the gospel to convict & convert the sinner/unrighteous?

@chaddonal4331 26 күн бұрын

@@neverpc4404Being “dead” in one’s sins emphasizes our dire need; we are completely unable to save ourselves. This is a statement about the limitations of our own efforts and righteousness (in context of Romans, whether we have the advantage of Jewish law or not). It is not a statement about our ability to recognize our lostness and appeal in faith to Christ. Romans 10 makes this clear! Everyone who “calls on the name of Jesus will be saved.”. We don’t save ourselves. We recognize our need and respond to the gospel offer that does save us, based on Jesus’s sacrificial death for the lost.

@neverpc4404 26 күн бұрын

@@chaddonal4331 I disagree with your interpretation as does Romans 3:10-12

@chaddonal4331 25 күн бұрын

@@neverpc4404 Well you can disagree, but Rom. 3:10-12 doesn’t disagree with my interpretation of Rom. 3:9-12! That’s what I was interpreting! The argument Paul is making there (by quoting Psalm 14) comes to its conclusion and summary in v. 20. Take a look. True? Now, notice that this (deadness) is the problem Paul is clarifying. Then in verses 21 to 25 Paul offers the solution to the problem! And this solution perfectly agrees with Romans 10. (So, somehow deadness means something a bit different than what Calvinists have led you to understand). What you can’t do is have Romans 3:20-25 and Romans 10 disagree with Romans 3:9 to 12. I have given you a gift. I encourage you to meditate here, see where Paul’s argument is going, and recognize what point Paul is making. Hint: versus 10 to 12 are setting up his argument. They are not the conclusion, nor do those verses stand alone. They are the backdrop to the gospel presented in verses 21 to 25, and Romans 10.