Si 😊

In deepest true a son idiom of Occitan, the guardian of Occitan today ❤❤❤❤

And a sister language of Spanish and French for that matter.

@@Hrng270It's more accurate to say that both Occitan and Catalan are Occitano-Romance sister languages, but Catalan is not descended from modern Occitan per se.

@@Louisianish It comes easily to me, you almost come to me, you even mentioned that Catalan and Occitan are from the same family, this is already more than obvious to the world, calm down, the current Catalan does not come from the current Occitan and vice versa, that is obvious, it's just that you lack understanding and training to see that both current Occitan and current Catalan come from medieval senile Occitan, that's what I'm referring to, it's the lack of this precious detail that makes your speech incongruous and even outside Catalan-Occitan linguistics. Hugs to ya mate 🆒🍷🫂

And Andorra is actually the only sovereign nation where Catalan is the official language.

In Andorra and Catalonia, now, Catalan and Aranese are the true officials idioms, the same bless Valencia and Aragon and Alicant can catch too.❤❤❤❤❤

@@Hrng270 Balearic Islands / Illes Balears tambien

@@L-mo It's implicit Balearic islands of course.

Le catalan n'est pas seulement parlé sur le territoire de la Généralité de Catalogne, en Andorre, et dans les Baléares : il est aussi parlé en Aragon, en Sardaigne (l'Alguer) et dans le département des Pyrénées-Orientales (c'est d'ailleurs là qu'est née la Catalogne, au pied du Canigó !)...

Yes I mentioned that in the video

l'Occitanie fessait partie de la Catalogne ESPAGNOLE Voilà pourquoi la langue catalane es semblables a la langue de l'Occitanie. Vous comprenez 😉

Or is it Aranese? The 2 flags for Catalonia shown may be confusing for some who don't know the distinction.

​@@jojolafrite9265 l'Occitanie ne faisait partie de la Catalogne. Évidemment, quelques parties de l'Occitanie étaient en dispute pendant beaucoup d'années. Cherchez "Batalla de Muret" sur l'Internet. Le roi français gagna ces territoires là. Et, si vous voulez dire le Roussillon, ça c'est vrai, le Roussillon faisait partie de la Catalogne et de la Corona d'Aragó (L'on ne peut pas parler d' "Espagne" encore, c'est une erreur historiographique). Et au 17ème siècle (si je ne vais trompé) il a été pris par les Français. Bref, le catalan se semble à l'occitan parce qu'ils sont des territoires voisins, parce que durant la Moyen Âge on avait encore la conviction que l'on parlait "la même langue" ou bien une chose de trés semblable, et il y a eu une connexion historique et parfois politique.

@@jojolafrite9265Mais l'occitan et le catalan sont tous les deux des langues occitano-romanes.

Hola, germàn! En present, ocurreixen moltes vegades quan oic lo catalàn central i observeixo que.. La pronunción va cauent al costat de l'espanyol. Millor sigui que caiga al costat del francès perquè on es més apropat al catalàn en sonar.. Mas n'aquest cas se quedi res quasi del catalàn com ocurrí amb lo septentrinal que't parli ara. Marqui moltíssimes de paraules non catalanes, non es ben. Non s'importa si Catalunya sigui independenta o non, lo més principal es que non presionin a la nòstra cultura i llengua. Mas lo sigueixen fent mentre fent l'aspect que defenden a Catalunya deslliurant als encarcelats polítics. Mas, lo fan sóls per una cosa: agregar (o millor dire achetar) els seus vots per à si. En realitat van fent mal a si mateixes tamben. Ami a Espanya i a Catalunya, i a Portugal i non vull veure com els germàns més apropats se morden entre sí. Se deu proteger-lo de veritat i al cas contrari haurà de cortar la cordas qui tenen el barc catalàn. Mas, en qualsevol cas, es necesari deixar de jugar als jocs ultra-lliberals per tota l'Europa perque van a degradar-nos com un poble. Viva España, visca Catalunya, visca Portugal, visca la Cristiandat i Europa entera! Des del Cap de la Roca cap a Vladivostok rus! ;)

That much is obvious, but this video's target audience is lay people who are curious about Catalan and barely know the language. Most people don't know about the existence of Aragonese or Provençal, so it's more practical to make that comparison to more widely known Romance languages. T'agradi o no history has benefited some languages more than others and Spanish we'll never be viewed as a dialect of Catalan; simply because while the crown of Castille went on to build a global empire, Catalunia was just a small part of that political entity; although a very rich and influential one.

Thanks for the input

Que dice Harry, que dice.

Great!

Això es imposible i cada vegada menys. Es una questió de globalització i demografia. I no només pel castellà, sense anglés no pots viure en el mon cientific-tècnic

But in catalan we also have the possesives mon, ton son, ma, ta , sa but we nearly only use it for familiars. Mon pare, ma tieta.

@@marcb1125 In Italian, too: "mio padre, mia madre" but "il mio papà, la mia mamma"

Thanks... I hope all is going well with your project

@@polyglotdreams Thanks! Working hard, learning new things everyday, I love it!

Yes... thanks for sharing

In Valencian the way to say “aqui” is “Ací” which is closer to French 😅

@@cheeveka3 true, I was talking with a Valencian once and when she said that I thought she was pulling my leg. I thought she was saying "así" like in Spanish which made no sense in the context. 😅

Yeah, Catalan is in between Spanish and French (and Catalan has more in common with the Occitan dialects that were historically spoken in southern France) but I also find that many words in Catalan are also similar to Italian, especially since Catalonia is on the Mediterranean coast and the former Kingdom of Aragon also included southern Italy.

Have you heard about Occitan, Arpitan or Aragonsese? Catalan and French had historically no geographical contact excep in the manipulated school of the oficial states.

Thanks so much for the input

That's what I said in the video 📹

Besides, Latin malūm didn't refer to apples specifically until later, which is why the Christian Bible made Eve to munch on an apple. That was a mistranslation, as malūm originally referred to any sort of fruit on a tree. Since the 18th century though, also owing to this narrower meaning, botanists call the apple tree Malus domestica, where Malus refers to genus and domestica refers to species. Hebrew scripture never specified the actual fruit in Genesis, which made sense because the tree was a metaphorical one: the tree of knowledge. Malūm (no specific tree fruit) was a good translation in Latin. Genesis, in its tale of Eve's appetite and the curse of humans, was a much deeper story than most people think. I am a Catalan, French and Spanish native trilingual, and noticed a number of mistakes in the video, but I am still happy and grateful it was made. The Catalan language is an incredibly rich and beautiful language, with a first class literature moreover, since the 13th century (starting with a bang with Ramon Llull, a European classic). A language that continues to be undermined by Spain and France in every possible way. It needs urgent and radical policy changes to ensure its protection, or else its degradation and loss will very soon become unstoppable. Catalan speakers don't even realize how bad the situation has gotten, and are partly to blame for the situation. They endured so much linguistic repression over the centuries that a culturally fearful and submissive attitude developed, especially during the 20th century (half of it under ethnocidal military dictatorships). Thus, Catalans will almost always switch to Spanish with non Catalan speakers, which contributes to millions of people not making an effort to learn and adopt Catalan, continuing to speak or learning Spanish instead. If Catalans want to save their language, they mustn't wait for uncertain independence. They should simply never switch to Spanish, or keep it to an exceptional minimum. One can remain friendly, polite, and helpful, without switching, but reactions are often aggressive and most Catalans prefer to prevent them by bowing down. A fatal mistake, only explainable to the extent they are rarely aware how critical the situation has become over the last 30 years or so.

The same here in Northern Italy !

@@luca77289 Interesting. Not surprising though, our languages are far closer than they are apart. I'm a Spanish speaker myself. I got a question, do you use articles on names in standard Italian, or your regional language? Grazie per l'informazione!

@@VictorC234 putting articles before names is used in northern Italy, surely in Liguria (where I was born) and Lombardy (where I haved lived for several years). I can' t say for sure , but it is likely, that is also used in Piemonte / Veneto and Emilia Romagna. It is not used in the rest of Italy, certainly not here in Rome, where I live.

Yes, for sure

Effectivement

I got everything you said, and I don’t speak Catalan! In Portuguese, this phrase would be: “Creio que para um catalão é mais fácil entender italiano que francês.” So similar! 😂

@@diegoflorencio jo també t'hauria entès a tu. 🤗

​@@diegoflorencio és la màgia de les llengües romàniques 🥰

Spanish and Portuguese are closer to Latin, Catalan closer to French

No tiene ni puñetera idea.

Catalan and French had historically no geographical contact excep in the manipulated school of states (there is the Occitan in between)..

it definitely is especially in the french catalan region.

Yes, as in the above comment, the dialect makes a big difference

That's wishful thinking. Catalan may sound "the least Iberic", but it still sounds more Iberian than anything French. It doesn't sound french.

⁠@@polyglotdreamsCatalan is not a dialect puzz1!!!

Totally bullsh1t these comments here

If you guys hadn't gone crazy with erasing SO MANY vowels and consonants, we'd be able to understand each other way better 🤣

Is it easy to distinguish Catalan from Italian languages?

@@jinengi We did not erase them, we just don't pronounce them all... ;)

Have you heard about Occitan, Arpitan or Aragonsese? Catalan and French had historically no geographical contact excep in the manipulated school of the oficial states.

@@jaumejoseoranies7948 Yes. As an Italian, I can tell you that I understand more Catalan than Castellano , provided both languages are spoken SLOWLY (for the God's sake, guys !). Maybe it's only me, in fact I'm from Genoa, in northwest Italy and our dialect belongs to the Gallo-Italic language family, part of the Western Romance Dialect Continuum , which Catalan is also part of .

I was just writing that when I saw your reply.... I agree, an argument could be made that Italian is at least as close

"Ester en justice"! In French, a circumflex accent, like "ê", is always translated to Catalan as the same vowel and a "s": ê for "es" (être for estar), "ô" for "os" (hôpital for hospital), and so on.

"tawila" is the arabic word for table, it's not french

True, and includes Balearics islands and Alguero too, catalan occitan areas too.

Did you watch the whole video?

@@polyglotdreams Yes? I don't know the answer I'm taking a shot in the dark really. I only have beginner knowledge of both languages.

Have you heard about Occitan, Arpitan or Aragonsese? Catalan and French had historically no geographical contact excep in the manipulated school of the oficial states.

@@eugenicasanovasolanes8338 So the answer to the question of which is closer to Catalan is neither of them? That’s boring.

Galician and Portuguese have influence from the part of the Spanish peninsula with occupation of the Suebi. The Castilian (Spanish), Leonese (or Asturian) and Aragonese languages are from the Celtic part with Visigoth occupation. And the Catalan (valencian) and Occitan languages are from the Iberian peoples part (also under Visigoth occupation) which had more contact with the Italic peninsula.

Thanks for your input

Exactly!! It omits Italian at the bottom row !! Why ??

Excusa, acho que e o português o dialeto do Catalao.

@@eugenicasanovasolanes8338 Não, não é. Vocês é que falam um dialecto do castelhano, do francês e do italiano...

​@@user-tp9hm2iq6p tots som dialectes del llatí ningú és dialecte de cap altre llengüa romànica... a la gent li encanta demostrar que la seva llengüa és més antiga i superior dient que l'altre llengüa és dialecte de la seva quant només és una evolució natural del llatí vulgar assimilat i barrejat amb les llengües locals 🙄

@@user-tp9hm2iq6p portuguese is galician gone wrong

Have you heard about Occitan, Arpitan or Aragonsese? Catalan and French had historically no geographical contact excep in the manipulated school of the oficial states.

@@eugenicasanovasolanes8338 I was just answering the question. Also not only have heard /of/ Occitan, I actually *heard* some.

jo hi soc prou escèptic, però potser la independència siga l'única manera de salvar la llengua i protegir la catalanitat en general.

True, the Catoc country should be flourish, birth.

Pero lo que digo es differente...

@@polyglotdreams Yo lo sé, estoy bromeando. Es un buen video (Pero es cierto que los catalanes son delicados con eso de llamar "dialecto" al catalán. Yo sé que el concepto lingüístico es diferente, pero en general decir "dialecto" en español carga todavía cierta connotación de "idioma de menor rango.")

​​@@victoraguirre5545 es un tema delicado porqué durante la época de Franco nos prohibieron hablar nuestro idioma y siempre nos decían que no teníamos idioma propio y que simplemente éramos un dialecto. Es una forma de despreciar y desacreditar una identidad cultural y lingüística porqué básicamente les estas diciendo que no existen... por eso decir que el catalán es un dialecto del castellano es algo que nos molesta a los catalanes por todo lo que pasó en esa época. A día de hoy hay gente que nos dicen que hablamos un dialecto y que hablemos bien que no se nos entiende... y pues claro es otro idioma románico más así que es normal que se parezcan pero no se entienda del todo

@@b2stparadise Eso lo sé y lo entiendo, pero es que en el sentido lingüístico, también es un dialecto, no respecto al español (o castellano, pues), pero sí paralelo a él (y a los demás idiomas románicos). No pretendo pelear por enésima vez esto, reitero lo que he dicho antes: uno no puede poner "dialecto" y "catalán" a la ligera por ahí, eso es todo lo que dije. También pasa con las lenguas indígenas acá en América, llamarlas dialectos sigue siendo una manera despreciativa, o cuando menos ignorante, de disminuir en el discurso su calidad de igualdad cultural respecto al español (o castellano, pues).

No hay ni una sola toponimia en ese idioma. Que lo supiesen hablar comerciantes y gente noble no significa que se hablara. Se podría decir lo mismo de Portugal ya que había escritores portugueses escribiendo en castellano en la edad media o de Rusia, donde la nobleza sabía francés.

@@neuzger5722 This is am imperialistic vision with no relation with reality (as usual in Spaniard Spain).

Interesting... thanks

Clearly you didn't watch the video, and are reacting to the title

Diria que exactament igual, però nosaltres no tenim un estat propi amb el qual puguem posar la nostra llengua com a llengua d'aprenentatge obligat a Catalunya, País Valencià i les Illes Balears.

During the Soviet era, with the imposition of the Russian language and culture, I think the circumstances were similar to the Catalan 18th century (first years of the Castilian occupation of Catalonia) but now, after 310 years of the Spanish invasion it is much worse!

​@@Ricard25J Catalonia has never been an independent country. Your language has been supressed in the same way other languages and dialects of the country have been. Comparing yourselves with Ukranians is a crime, as your rights and language are protected by the constitution. Let's not forget how the Catalan elites have also tried to erase other regional varieties of Spanish for their political interests. The Catalan state constantly makes fun of Andalusians and their language. This still happens. In the past, Andalusians working in Catalonia were used as cheap labor, discriminated and called "charnegos" (translated into English as "dogs"). Independençia d'Andaluçia del imperialîmo katalan y vâko. Noôtrô toavia çomô un paî ke çufre el kolonialìmo norteño

@@pitrris Catalunya ha segut un país independent. És un fet històric innegable i inapel·lable. Que ens digues que hem d'acceptar la mort de la nostra llengua perquè "és lo que n'hi ha" i que després parles "andalús" és força trist i contradictori. Jo sempre respectaré qualsevol manera de parlar una llengua (que m'ho diguen a mi, que soc valencià i els catalans de Girona se'n riuen de nosaltres, occidentals!). I d'altra banda, que generalitzes i condemnes uns fets que van succeir fa un grapat d'anys no és adequat. I puc assegurar-te que en la meua experiència, ací, els andalusos són molt orgullosos de la seua parla i de les seues costums i la seua musiqueta, però no els tremola la mà per a cagar-se en la nostra cultura sencera. I les víctimes sou vosaltres...

@@YonWong kataluña nunca a çio un paî. Balençia çí fue Reino. Katalina D'Aragon ê preba de k Cataluña fue parte d'Aragon. Andaluçia çí a çio un êtao: Reino de Tarteçô, Baetica romana y viçigoda e imperio: Al-andalû. No ai ná pareçio ni en Kataluña ni en Balençia. Kataluña êclabiçó a lô andaluçe. Dêde Içabé II toa l'indûtria çe yebó a Kataluña, kuando Malaga era la çegunda çiudá mâ indûtralizá d'Êpaña. Kataluña tiene çangre d'aber konoliçao Andaluçia y aber dêtruio çu indütria. Kataluña fue lebantá po êvlabô andaluçe. Balençia y Kataluña perteneçen a Al-andalû. Bôçotrô çoî kolonô françeçê. Al-Andalû vorberá!!!

Did you watch the video?

Yes...

I la Vall d'Aran també es una nació independent? 😂😂😂

@@valenzupc ask to you Zpanish Masters? Or ask to Putin?😛

@@suevialania where are you from? I think yoy don't have enough information about this topic.

Catalan and Spanish are dialects of Vulgar Latin

You say something stupid. There are no "primitive dialects nor primitive languages". As a matter of fact your comment shows that you dont know what a dialect is Catalan is a beautiful LANGUAGE with its own literature going backwards unil Ramon Llul. Catalan is so important as Asturian, but the Spanish centralism and linguistic imposition want to rub out all the languages that developed in the different areas, as the fucking orders of Charles III prohibited our languages in America. Visca Catalunya lliure fora de la meuca Espanya!!!!