Ani or Vader or Sand? or Binks

Vader was taller than Anakin, naturally giving him the high ground

Vader's suit prevented sand intrusion, giving him the advantage.

I like to think Anakin’s potential > Vader > anakin

tl;dr: Was Vader stronger than he was as Anakin Skywalker? Yes. Was Vader stronger than he could have *become* as Anakin Skywalker? Not even close.

Dude, seeing that "I hate You!"-scene again, I only now realize how perfect Hayden Christensen really was for that role...

Short answer: Vader was stronger than Anakin ever was, but not nearly as strong as he COULD HAVE been. Anakin had incredible potential but he never got there. As Vader he got much more skilled in the force, much more ruthless and his hatred fueled the dark side in him and made him immensely powerful.

Anakin just cleared the Jedi temple before his duel with obi wan. Maybe the fatigue factor lol.

Vader: a half human half robot, only weakness: lightning Anakin: chosen one, weakness: *highground*

Here's a request, What if Anakin lost the Podrace?

Anakin's short comings were not about his ability. It was his arrogance. A more mature Anakin could take down vader.

According to a quote by Lucas in a magazine interview about the then recently-released Episode 3, I recall him saying that "Darth Vader would be the most powerful Sith to ever live, were it not for his injuries. Thanks to them, he is about 80% of the strength of the Emperor, and the Emperor will replace him with a better apprentice if he is able." It's a paraphrase, but again I read it some 12 or so years ago.

Episode 3 Anakin is the coolest Star Wars character.

Star Wars became Even more Awesome when I found out Vader could throw a lightsaber

Vader: Well of course I'm stronger than him, he's me.

Who is stronger Full potential: Grandmaster Anakin never went to the darkside or Emperor Vader ?

Ani? Vader? Sand? Or Binks? How about the high ground?

*_Does it really matter? Both hate sand soo much it fuels almost all their anger..._*

Vader is stronger because hes older and more experienced. You don't need a full body to be connected to the force.

Here's something to note: Vader's prosthetic legs made him taller. As Anakin he was 1.88 meters and Vader 2.03 meters. With his injuries Anakin had difficulty lifting over his head but his prosthetics gave him extra height to give him reach.

Anakin was weak so i destroyed him

Anakin just remember him from the clone wars tv show he was a beast when it came to dueling. and said for the force he made the daughter and son bow down to him.

Anakin has more potential but in terms of Power than vader wins

Well, Return of the Jedi novels point to Vader being at his most powerful ever making even the emperor fear him. I think Vader eventually surpassed Anakin in terms of raw power alone.

Vader wins...but if Anikan as a Jedi master reached his potential then that Anikan would totally beat Vader.

Darth Vader was one of the greatest duelist ever, patient, powerful, skillful, using the power of the dark side effectively during the fight and creating his own unique lightsaber dueling style that allowed him to use his enhanced strenght in the suit and minimized the problems caused by it - mostly the lack of agility. Anakin on the other hand, was impulsive, fast duelist, using mostly his enhanced jumps to destroy his enemies. He had enormous potential, but he was too young to achieve it during the clone wars. In direct 1v1 he'd stand no chance. Vader was more powerful in the Force, more patient ad tactical and had 20 years of experience in killing the Jedi who survived Order 66. He would easily humiliate Anakin.

I've always been of the opinion that even after Mustafar, Vader could at the very least have given Sidious a serious run for his money. While severely hindered if he would play his cards right he could win, and Sidious knew this so he made Vader's suit and cybernetics extremely sensitive to force lightning.

on the vader most recent comic, he actually reconstructed his suit after he killed his first jedi and recover the kyro crystal

Anakin had more potential but Vader is more powerful.

I think Vader would win, mainly because he knows all of Anakins moves and attack patterns.

It’s the experience that Vader has,,he’s not going to lose to his younger self

The fact that Vader can bench press an ocean (thanks, Fallen Order!) is definitely a significant point in his favor.

Neither because they are both held back by George Lucas

What If Palpatine was muscular?

Regardless of Vader losing his limbs, Vader was not just as gifted and experienced, but he gained a physical advantage that would complement his overall aggressive nature. Imagine the blows of a man whose limbs are just robotic extensions powered by the the dark side of the force. Only duelists on par with Obi-Wan could hope to contend with that force and even the great defensive master met his match and surrendered to Vader's onslaught. Sure Luke got to dance here and there, but we know Vader toyed with him in Empire Strikes Back and was conflicted during Return of the Jedi.

Better duelist :- Anakin Better force user :- Vader

Lord Vader was a broken shadow of his former self.

Aniken because he doesn't have a breathing system to hold him back

“I have accepted the truth that you where once Anakin Skywalker my father.” “That name no longer has any meaning for me.”

Anakin with Qui-Gon's tutelage = endless possibilities That's the alternate story I want.

If you listen closely in Empire Strikes back when Vader is battling Luke on Cloud City it's evident Vader becomes quite short of breath when actually battling Jedi other than normal troopers. Something Anakin didn't have.

I feel sand because if Vader was stuck on Tatooine and he was in a sand storm the sand would impair his vision more and it could get stuck in his cybernetic arms. And anakin doesn’t like sand.

I like to think that Vader started out having just 80% of the Palpatine's Force potential at the end of Revenge of the Sith, but by Return of the Jedi he was virtually on par with Palpatine and it was only his vulnerability to Force lightning and Palpatine's knowledge of all his suit's weaknesses kept Vader from being able to overthrow him by himself

Speaking seriously even though I know this is a late post I think that while Darth Vader was stronger than Anakin of that time as Anakin Skywalker he had the potential to grow even more powerful than Vader what I'm saying is if he had not become lost to his arrogance undefeated Obi-Wan he would grown more powerful than Vader ever was in the comics and movies making him nearly Unstoppable unlike Darth Vader while appeared menacing and Unstoppable add multiple glaring weaknesses and in abilities even though he grew more talented and adapted to his weaknesses and made new Strength he has a limit that he inevitably reaches where as if he had remained whole for the most part as Anakin Skywalker his potential would have been limitless.

Darth Vader has more power. His suit keeps sand off his skin. This makes him happy, and much more confident in sandy areas.

The video you should've made was who was more powerful sand or the high ground

It took only one scene in Rogue One for me to see how Powerful Vadar really was. I had never seen something as jaw dropping, as the Vadar scene in Rogue One, from Anakin.

I love how you explore every possibility and put so much thought into this. It’s what truly makes you a great KZfaqr, among other things.

Darth Vader is a lot more powerful in the Force. His telekinetic abilities are the greatest in all of Star Wars. He didn't need to push himself at all when moving heavy objects, like the other characters. He also could force choke someone on another ship. It wasn't just strong but very precise-- like disarming people instead of ending up pulling the person shooting. His strikes were also a lot more overwhelming than Anakin's. My money goes to Vader being stronger but Anakin had the potential to become stronger.

I say Anakin wins. As Pre-suit Vader, he defeated a Jedi battlemaster(who is a master of ALL 7 FORMS of lightsaber combat.) Pre-suit Vader did this using all he knew as Anakin Skywalker, since he hadn't received any Sith training yet. I think this at least proves that Anakin can defend against all 7 lightsaber forms at an exceptional level. This in my opinion makes Anakin and Vader equals at lightsaber duelests. The fact that Anakin has contended with Dooku in the clone wars and even DEFEATED him, when the Jedi order thought only Windu or Yoda could do that, should speak highly of Anakin as a warrior. Lastly, besides youth and agility, Anakin has one more advantage. Anakin already is SO powerful with just the light side, then he can call upon even MORE power by using the Dark side. I think Anakin's power(using light side and dark) gives him an exceptional advantage over Vader who only uses the dark side. But this is just my opinion.

They're both very strong, however I think the high ground would win.

His loss of limbs did not lesser his connection with the force, it was only his belief that him and the machine ,that replaced the limbs, were seperate that held him back.

Loved this video Theory and I think Vader would win :)

Vader because he doesn't have much conflicting emotions limiting him, he only has hate which is the path to power!

Vader cuts off a Akins legs and arm and then proceeds to create a double of himself two Vaders.

Your a very optimistic and consious seeming person I really appreciate your content it’s very insightful and open minded

What if Barris killed Anakin?

why Vader wasnt that hateful when he met Obi-wan again in "a new hope" ???

It’s not about how much power you have. It’s about how well you control it

"He was Beethoven gone deaf"-jensaraai1

No ones going to talk about how OP he was when u play as him in the force unleashed in the prologue 🤦🏻‍♂️

Id say that Jar Jar is stronger

If Anakin had been taught my Mace Windu(the cocreator of Vapaad) to utilize then master his feelings, anger, aggression and love then perhaps he wouldn’t have been as susceptible to succumbing to the dark side. He would have controlled it instead, naturally enjoying the battles he partook in and the victories achieved. Thus giving him many of the advantages of Vader’s use of Form 7.

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*T H I S I S O U T R A G E O U S !*

Definitely anakin. If he started losing he would just dip into the dark side like he did with duku

George Lucas himself said Vader was weaker than he was and Anakin before his limbs were cut. He said that in the OT both Obi-Wan and Vader were past their prime. Vader's strengthened connection to the force and greater experience helped him make up for his reduce power in skill, but he still wasn't as powerful. I think Obi-Wan Kenobi series supports this as well. Anakin basically was at a stalemate with Obi-Wan and only lost due to his arrogance. In the Obi-Wan Kenobi series, in their final duel, Obi-Wan completely overpowered Vader with the force. And Obi-Wan in that series was not likely superior to how powerful he was in ROTS given he had severed his connection to the force for a decade and only recently had his "strength return" as Darth Vader mentioned. At best he was probably equal to how powerful he was in ROTS.

The venue would determine the outcome. If Anakin was allowed to use his superior mobility, he could gain the upper hand just by out-maneuvering Vader, but if the battle would take place in a confined space, Vader would have the edge with his well-rounded fighting style making him nearly invincible. When it comes to Force powers, both would be strong, and perhaps even equals, since Vader would be drawing upon all of his hatred, anger, pain, and loss to fuel his powers, which Anakin would have the hypothetical advantage of being able to utilize his full connection to the Force. I think the difference in motivation would either nearly or completely equal out here. Even if you were to bring Sand into the equation, it's difficult to think of which person would be more inconvenienced by it--Anakin would have to feel it on his skin, all over the place, coarse and irritating it would serve to break his concentration; Vader, meanwhile, would have to worry about the horrid substance interfering with his delicate machinery and slowing him down even more. I'd like to propose an alternate scenario where both would be fighting at the peak of their power. For Vader, that would be maybe a few years after he turned to the Dark Side--after he had enough time to fully adapt to his new conditions, both physical and Force related. For Anakin, that would be in an alternate time line where he never lost Padme, never got corrupted by Palpatine, never became Vader, and never lost his limbs to Obi-Wan, with probably the same span of time passing from that point where he would have turned to the Dark Side, but instead stayed a Jedi. This version of Anakin would probably have received additional tutelage from Mace Windu (since Windu would be alive in this time line) after Anakin helped him uncover Palpatine's true nature and assisted in taking him down, proving his loyalty and trustworthiness. It's feasible that after that, the Council would vote to promote this Jedi Hero to the rank of Master as, through his actions and through training under some of the greatest Jedi known, he would have proven his worth. So in this hypothetical time line clash where Lord Vader at his strongest would fight a Jedi Master Anakin Skywalker--who would likely be the most powerful Jedi to ever exist in every aspect--I would say even the OP and Plot-Armored Vader would get thrashed like the Younglings he murdered.

I'd say no because you could tell in certain parts of the Star Wars era, you could see how strong Anakin was when both his Light and Dark connected, he waa someone he couldn't be beaten easily. The same can be said for Vader who solely fueled on the Dark but was still beaten by more experienced Jedi. There's not that many experienced Sith in the first place that could outmaster Anakin like the Jedi did Vader. Vader's rage made him unstoppable but easy to defeat if set off track, Anakin's rage combined with the Light could set him off track but it was harder seeing how he went more all out as a Jedi than as a Sith. Not to mention the fact, Vader had a metallic suit and was slowed down, Anakin was a full human with very few limitations. I'd give this round to Anakin.

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Vader all the way, anakin was cocky he believed himself to be the chosen one so he trained but not to the extent Vader did... Vader was humbled or whatever dark siders call it, he put his so called potential to the test and trained it to fine point making him and unstoppable killing machine he was beat only by age and his previous injuries and his son redeeming him

Well Vader was stronger than anakin because of his experience of 20 years but if anakin had experience of 20 years he would have defeated both Yoda and palpatine at once or he would have been 20% more powerful than Yoda and palpatine

Anakin would be better only if he would had have permission to go into the restricted sections where he could learn both the light and dark while maintaining his three limbs

Imagine if he didn’t loose his limbs but still got the suit he be so powerful he one hit palpatine

vaders suit deflects sand. gameover for anikin

Anakin for raw power, but lack of control. Vader for pure skill, ruthlessness, and lack of empathy but without the level of force attunement that Anakin had. Overall Vader, he had more of everything that Anakin had (bar the unpredictable uncontrolled emotionally unstable force abilities he had) amped up with his relentless personality and tears of experience.

Probably. Why wouldn't he? The suit was almost designed to irritate him and further his anger and make him stronger. Dick move on Palpatine though...

2:17 Went back to his days as a kid

Anakin: YOU ESTIMATE MY POWER?!

Who fights harder? He who has everything to lose or he has nothing to lose?

Hey theory love the videos bro when I was littler I used to think about these different Star Wars things but I've been wondering what if Luke and Leia actually died in childbirth like palpatine said they dead how would events play up to episode 8 how would this effect everything. Please make a video on this it's important.

Anakin relied on ability alone. Vader mastered the fundamentals.

9 year old anakin :24999 vader midcholrian count :14800

hope you respond to this..but i read somewhere on wookiepedia that vaders limitations werent merely physical but psychological it was said that vader couldnt accept what had happen to him he couldnt accept what he had become he was in a constant state of turmoil it was theorized that if vader embraced what he was he could have reached his true potential despite his condition in my oppinion if anakin/vader had so much potential with th force i believe he could have found a way to overcome his injuries

Is one side of a coin more valuable than the other?

Vader for his experience, but the ideal version would have been a fully trained Jedi Master Anakin which we never got.

Vader was more powerful. But ROTS anakin was skilled enough to give him a run for his money.

Daddy Binks is Sith Lord!

People say either sand or the high ground. *_little did they know the high ground is made of burned sand huehuehuehuehue_* (Ples dont take this seriously lel)

It was said in cannon so many times that Vader triples all light saber and force ability

Simple answer is that Vader never even came close to what he once was, as Palpatine himself stated in The Force Unleashed. 'Vader was but a shell of his former self.'

Awesome video thinks.

Huh, I've never thought about this before

I honestly believe that after an initial exchange where Anakin had to make adjustments, he would have had adapted and over powered Vader. Anakin was a quick study and very adaptable. This is how he was able to survive AS Vader. The biggest advantage Vader would have had would be experience and he was clever and manipulative. Hands down a dark side Anakin with even a few months to train uninterrupted would likely smoke both of them. The only one to beat darkside Ani would be a properly trained jedi Anakin as if qui gonn or mace were his master. That would have been something to see.

Give Anakin another 2 years, were he might of become a master after finding out about palpatine, he would have matured and I reckon would have taken out his future self if they were to battle.

If anikan had reached his full potential he could pull down the death star while dueling count dooku.

Dark side Anakin

I think Anakin had the potential to be stronger, but because of all the suffering he had to endure, Vader was stronger...

When you think about it, you see Darth Vader after Anakin gets his limbs cut off. But yet, underneath that suit of armor, Anakin Skywalker is still inside of that suit. He is a more mature version of Anakin Skywalker with a lot of anger. Whether he became a sith Lord or stayed on the Jedi side, Anakin / Vader was simply a terrifying Force to go up against in the time frame that Vader fought luke.

Anakin was a stonger force user, but Darth Vader would be the better duelist.