$400 if you're really unlucky. it's not reasonable in the slightest. you can get the same amount of primogems you get with $100 as you can by just playing for a month.

@@colorbar.s I mean any 5 star in general, but that is just scary

@@colorbar.s and also 400 might not be enough if you hit past 80 pity for both

And in others like fgo even tho you may not get the one you want you will be guaranted a 5 star with 5€ 3 times a year

I suggest you don't spent money coz i get 5 star every 2 patch for free. Just plan your saving.

i have realized this recently with so many content creators starting new accounts for their "x weapon only" series. they grind quests and chests on hours on end and cant even do a 10 pull. genshin is really stingy with giving free stuff to the point where literally playing the game for hours wont get you the slightest chance of getting what you want. not to mention you *will* run out of things to squeeze primos out eventually. i salute f2p players.

meanwhile there's people like me who win 4 or more 50/50s in a row while spending 0 money on the game, but then again I have no life so I really can't complain even if I lost those 50/50s

@@einhasad7 Exactly! Same here. 👌

1. If they girned for months theyd have enough to c2 c3 a character 2. I enjoy siting on sundays to explore and chill Jus becouse you make the games miserable for yourself doesnt mean everyone does it

@@einhasad7 as someone who used to misery grind to keep up, giving it up to actually enjoy myself, then eventually finding myself actually enjoying grinding I can say that mobile games go pretty far to make their grinds both constant and unenjoyable. They want you to keep playing but they want you to not feel satisfied until you pay for a dopamine hit. You CAN avoid that and play to enjoy but it's working against the system. Myself I very much enjoy genshin and even get a lot of the tasks done. But I have to keep myself in check on any compulsive tendencies. If I have dailies and would rather quest I go quest. If resin is maxed but I was about to quit I quit. It's kept the game fun and interesting. But you still feel like the person at the bar waving away that next drink saying 'nah, I had enough'. We can work around this but it really isn't a good thing when you have to fight the game every time you want to play it.

I can't wait for genshin to fade out so it becomes more playable, seems like the problem is that there's too much people, specially in China and Japan, willing to pay a lot of money for it so it makes sense to Mihoyo to implement this "punish the poor" system but when whales migrate to another game Mihoyo will have to make the game f2p friendly or close their servers. Also I have 2 qiqis, 2 Keqings and 1 Dilluc that I don't use, It would be nice if they´d let you choose something like you said or at least choose the character from the permanent banner, I wouldn't mind to loose 50/50 and get a Mona or a Jean on my own accord, like I could loose 6 banners and be happy cause I have a c6 Mona but now, I just have qiqis and keqings sitting there unused

Honestly, I'd be happy if they dropped characters from the pool once you hit C6, rather than giving some currency. That way, the most you'd ever see Qiqi was 6 times, and it'd be much more feasible to collect all the characters. It might even be good bait for the giga whales if running out of regular characters meant you get a chance at a character from a banner you missed.

As someone who lost to Jean and Keqing twice for a character I really wanted like Yelan or Raiden it make me upset especially when I still don't have a Diluc, a ability to get any standard 5 star character or weapon for losing the 50/50 to much will make this game so much more enticing to pull more and somewhat never get mad or upset. And yes I have played this game for over 2ish years if you're questioning it.

Bro deadass if the event character banner is like the weapon, or explain like what you said, so instead of losing 1 time and get 100% on the next, i would have to save up 3?

@@jajathenewking6131 wait how did you play this game over 2 years when it is only 1 year and a half

They know this and they don't care.

@@ElusivEnigma people know this and still spent.

@@EllaNonimato Imagine playing for months saving for a character then not getting it ofc there gonna spend money their outa choices bc the game sucks and is tryna stress players out so they pay.... this didn't happen to me but prob all the ppl that pay for characters

to be fair .. if you're below ar 50 then the chest rewards are good (minus the primos) especially since you can unlock the chasm at ar 10 and the rewards are Way better than the 2 fowl in chests around starfell lake. after 50 the game gets significantly easier so you don't really need the mats they give,, but i assume when they raise the ar cap it'll balance out

what chests??

@@thatweebloser9265 true

@@thatweebloser9265 the,, chests you open?😭

@@xxri i was joking lol sorry if it was confusing qwq

With the money i spend in genshin i can play elder ring , or buy the xenoblade chronicles(i dont remember that one) games .

@@foxshoot3138 or learn English 👀 Sorry, im feeling toxic today🥱🤣

Yeah, hoyoverse should really use like a leaderboard content, maybe a dps ranking or something to catergorise the endgame players. An endless domain where there is a time limit for how much your dps is. Then at the end of like a month, give rewards based on ranking of dps Edit: why else should we spend money more than $100(just for a specific 5*) and use resin on artifacts anyway xD

@@basilisk.. you have Darth Vader as a pfp

@@basilisk.. i reality i have problems with the tiping , like bruh but i will fix the thing , its a bitch to write 2 times each time i need to tipe someting but ok

ehh i mean you can get pretty much everything on the standard in the event wish except 5* weapons .. youre not missing out on much unless you really wanted skyward harp

i just want my starter cons, and they're only available at the standard banner as well as 2x a year on the monthly shop. if there were more sources of blue fates that would be nice since monthly we get 5 and per patch another 5 from BP. its 25 fates (per two patches in 3 mos) so like... not even a 10pull per month, just 8.33 something.

@@xxri ...or Amber

@@Nokyyyyy amber gets harder to obtain with every patch so idk if people still try for her or the starters😭

@@xxri I’m like 90% sure I got my skyward harp from the event weapon banner.

That is called "GREED" how he said. They want that 1000$ Bud not the 10 100$ Idiots. They should reduce the Pulls from 160/1600 down to atleast 80/800 ... or better 60/600. they earn more than enough to afford that. But no, instead of Hoyoverse listening to the community, they prefer to release 2-4 new characters and 4 new weapons every 1-2 months while others don't even have 10 or 14 characters after 1 year.

@@tomokokirihara3436 and most of those characters are trash while youtubers hipe them all up for some reason

*cough* Qiqi *cough*

i think it should be 100/1000 i don't think they should lower it so much because that takes away the joy of getting to pull i can get 80 by doing daily's or just 1 hr of exploration i do understand your point, but in my point of view the pricing of pulls should be around the same and change the genesis crystals prices (im f2p) @@tomokokirihara3436

​@@EllaNonimatono your just shit or can't build them

im from turkey and we have to work for like 60 hours to get the 100 dollar bundle and there's still a chance that you don't get the character you want

é só ridículo como os packs são caros aqui e pior mesmo vc comprando o mais caro não tem garantia NENHUMA q vc vai ganhar o personagem q vc qr

Não tem que ter baleia em lugar nenhum, gacha tem é que morrer mesmo, simples assim.

they probably can't adjust price too drastically, otherwise people will just buy from those countries, like steam now

@@rinuskoe99 exactly

Plus, we've seen that the money generated does not primary flow back into Genshin but rather into Hoyo's other projects

@@gilroyscopa that's what you think...

@@gilroyscopa true that they even invest to a literall space shuttle company which doesn't even have something to do with a game development

@@gilroyscopa You can say that about every single game out there.

Yeah the prices suck ass, even with the first purchase bonus. I can't even get a guaranteed 5* if I spend 100 bucks on genesis (I'm not p2w btw) but yeah the game is a gacha, you can't expect gachas to always have content.

Yupp compare that to buying two $50 full fledged video games. The lack of value in that money spent is atrocious.

Why would people who are not gonna spend a lot of time on the game spend money on the game? Maybe that 100$ they spent is gonna entertain them longer than that 2 50$ games they could have bought also idk if its easier to get primo gems at the start but i started playing 10 days ago and i have 50 pity 34 rolls im gonna try to get hu tao so it doesnt seem like getting primo gems is that hard

@@MKG_ My brother in christ... Are you really trying to argue that a fucking 5 star gacha character that costs basically $100 to get (assuming you don't lose the 50/50), is worth the same entertainment value as 2 triple A titles such as Call of duty or Elden ring? You're early game so of course you get primo's easily - once you exhaust the exploration chests come back and let me know if your still of the same opinion.

@@masterlukestynes im saying that depends on how much you like the game if you dont like the game and dont spend much time on it you wont spend money in the first place if you like it and play the game a lot and spend money on it yes it can give the same amount of entertainment as 2 triple A games just because you dont think that it will doesnt mean everyonr agrees also genshin is a single player game why do you even care about the price if your not gonna spend money?

@@masterlukestynes also genshin is a really long game after the game fully releases it will probably be like 80-100+ hours and i still dont get your point of it not being worth it you dont have to get a 5 star in the first place you cen beat the game withouth wishing a single time the free character the game gives you is enough to beat it getting a 5 star is optional

rightt

@@maplezigzag what's that supposed to mean?

we all know they don't care to much abt f2p players, because in the end they are not what generates revenue, they are just there for hoyo to brag about their numbers and how popular they are. And yh as scummy as it is many other free games follow the same mentality.

I lost every 50/50 so far. But thankfully (so far) I got 3 early 5 stars out of 5

@@Justsayhiplz for the law of the big number you should be getting your luck back sooner or later

Yeah? Old player? Since when, state it.

@@ceyx1201 Jesus, calm down. Lmfao.

Seriously.. Every AR after 55 should give at least 10 free pulls at standard 😏 It takes ages to reach new AR anyways so I don't see the issue with giving the dedicated players a small incentive

@@ceyx1201 i started at zhonglis first banner 1.1

@@ceyx1201 Since when have you played? State it, coward.

even welkin isn't a good deal

Fr one fun day with friends is at least 3 times more expensive than a one-month welkin. 2 welkins got me c2 kazuha so I'd say it's worth it

That is why the game is trash.

you don't seem to get it, while you buy welkins you are also selling your soul to the game that it's forcing you to log on everyday if not you will lose welkin's value

what really happen at 1st year anniversary? Sorry I am a new player

@@ShyDeath Very small rewards. Maybe like 10 pulls and some in game resources. People expected way more, since it was the first anniversary of such a big game.

@@ShyDeath The reviews for the app on Google Play and the Apple App Store too I think dropped down to something like a 2 stars rating and so many players were fuming about the lack of rewards. Understandably, a lot of players expected the one year anniversary rewards to be very good because the game was bringing in millions of dollars and surely they could afford to give players lots of rewards for playing the game in it's first year. But, the rewards that were given were fairly basic and so many players were annoyed with this so they trashed the reviews for the mobile version and it just made the game look like complete trash in every aspect when they were really just annoyed about the rewards. I remember scrolling through the reviews and every single review up to a certain point was about the anniversary rewards and none of the reviews that I saw were positive. The game is expensive if you put money into it. I have bought the Blessing of the Welkin moon a handful of times - as a new player, you may see this in the store along with the Genesis Crystals etc. I got a decent amount of primogems and I have two accounts to compare between the effects of paying and not paying in the game - my niece has an account that she has never spent money on, it's currently at adventure rank 32 and my account that I have spent money on is at adventure rank 44. My account has several 5 star characters whereas my niece just has Venti. She uses the wishing system all the time and so far, she hasn't gotten any other 5 star characters at all. The wishing system works by guaranteeing a 5 star characters every 90 wishes that you make and my niece has made at least 80 wishes now. I have about 6 characters that are 5 star and I got all of them very quickly. You can get 50/50 chances which means that you have a 50% chance of getting another 5 star on a limited banner and this happened to me recently as I had already gotten Kamisato Ayaka and I then got Kaedehara Kazuha a few days ago. That was a 50/50 that I actually won. It seems like every other 50/50 is a loss though, I have lost so many 50/50s it feels like and though I haven't spent thousands on this game, I have a maximum constellation 5 star, I think it's Qiqi and I did spend some money to try and get Raiden Shogun and Xiao but lost each time to Qiqi believe it or not lol

Same here. I will remain an F2P for this game until the day I die.

One whole chicken? Oh my we are SPOILED

Man, looking back at it the 1st anniversary fiasco was an emotional rollercoaster. Community was split one side ready to start a revolution built on hopium with solidarity from other gacha communities coming out and saying that 1st anniversaries are an institutional staple for the entire mobile game genre and Hoyo's inaction ain't right. On the other side full of 1st time gacha players and gatekeeper vets turned in to Hoyo defenders. Acted like foreigner CCP talking heads telling citizens that the gov't does no wrong. All Hoyo did was drip market Itto's abs for everyone to forget. In the end we got the concert wings and primos just short of a multi that Hoyo initially planned to sell as a bundle and worded their mail very petty, that we made them do this, acting like my guilt-trippin Asian parents. Shit was wild.

@@shookone what make it ironic that the defender excuse player opiniom censorship as "moderation" unfortunately for them 4 months later Genshin amd the dev got hard karma because CCP decide to censored 4 of their character. It was funny to see their reaction fill with copium and denial because they made excuse "it's neccesary and it's free" ignoring that it was pure censorship and lie to us said the costume won't affect the story for global then pretend the og skin not exist, in the end the playerbase is kind of win. This is not really the first time Mihoyo taste their own poison. After the incident of HI3 global 3rd anniversary, did their global player dirty ,take away their deserve bunny event and had the audacity throw them with a small pouch of crystal as "compesation", jump to now their CN server get alot of censorship that is what happen when you bend the knee to the CN water army and fanatic CN player, not only the CN server got heavy karma their own player got Hard karma aswell.

@@shookone I’ve been playing gacha games for years most at launch before genshin and I was on the side of people were hella over reacting. If anything i think it’s backwards, new gacha players were the ones acting like anniversaries have to have giant rewards a lot of people even clamoring for a free 5 star, when gacha veterans realized that was completely out of the question. Comparing fgo’s first anniversary to now where they bascially only gave 20 pull in the form of 30 Sq and 10 tickets and a lucky bag which is a guaranteed 5 star but you have to use paid premium currency to pull so it’s not even free. Even before the controversy genshin was giving us 10 pulls as well as other basic materials, given it’s much lower pity rate, that was well within that standard of first anniversaries for gacha. Now the current anniversary FGO is about to get gives 30 pulls immediately, adds missions that provide up to 40+ more pulls and if you’ve done all the story quests in the game by the time the anniversary drops you automatically get a resource thay can be exchanged for 50 more pulls. Gacha games as well as their events and anniversaries start small and build. I’m not trying to just blindly defend mihoyo and say they can do no wrong, but it’s Defintely the not gacha players that started the outrage over not being given as much free shit as they wanted.

@@GT-xw7rg Aw don't get me twisted bro, I get your stance. I'm also an FGO player since launch and have seen the game and devs make some serious strides over time from being stingy af to being Oprah on anniversaries. What I forgot to mention was that Hoyo was in an extremely special situation where they were the golden goose of the genre. King on its throne, fastest game to net over a $billy in less than a year. JP, KR, and certain CN gachas gave out SSRs, high demand mats, and free multis for much lesser milestones. The expectation from vets and 1st time gacha players alike would be what if, a game like Genshin with it's high quality and massive worldwide playerbase, what the rewards would be? Unfortunately shit panned out the way it did. Genshin eventually treated their CNY Lantern Rite event like it was THE anniversary instead of celebrating the actual date/week the game launched which is kinda on brand with the CCP being a sleep demon on their chests. I wasn't trying to set up a debate or anything I was just being introspective lol. Btw how many SQ have you saved for Castoria? She's so close!

As a F2P i don't see alot of value in Genshin outside the Plot/Fun Setting...i saved some primos and the first character that i pulled was Ganyu and to this day she still kills whatever the game throws at me(and i also have Ayaka, Hu-tao and Eula), there's nothing else to do daily/weekly that i need to maximize the damage of all my characters or even build them, i think 10 characters are enough and leveling characters doesn't help you leveling other characters faster, you are stopped by the artifact RNG and Resin cap and very shitty drops and Quest rewards. To answer your question, i value games in how fun i think the game is, my oldest example will be Castlevania SOTN, that game was literally the first platformer i finished and the replayability of that game was insane, and most recently was RE2 remake/Prey 2016 games that i enjoyed to learn all the mechanics until the point i could finish a run in just over 1 hour and 10 mins in RE2, in both cases the gameplay was the main point, but in the end felt really complete experiences and replaying them was also fun, i think that a game has value if you can play it alot and always have fun

you bring up a great point, because nowadays literally everything is a monthly subscription, not just games. your wifi, your news, your Disney+, even your goddamn digital art programs.

I think the era of microtransactions and dlcs truly started when games moved into the online system - which encourages multiplayer and comparisons. Old games were pay upfront and play during the single player focused era but now companies have to invest in maintaining servers which means few games are complete at start but would rather add DLC or content as time goes on to incentivize continued spending. This has enabled a lot of the predatory and gambling practices in gacha as well as other games

At the end of the day it's like vars said, how expensive a game is is mostly situational to the player. I've seen f2ps who have at least one c6 (mostly ganyu or shogun for some reason) limited character with the other few five stars they have being only c0. Makes sense to focus on the character you like the most and save for their max power if it's not possible to afford all others reliably. FOMO is lethal because if you waste the little resources given for free going after every five star then the game will definitely feel expensive - even for a whale.

That and plus doing a lot of pulls after a period of saving tends to do things to the rng... i.e where you get a five star in one 10pull after a previous five star, sometimes two five stars in one ten pull, or reaching pity early so technically not impossible to c6 if this + winning 50/50 happens consistently.

Would you mind to fill me in? What happened back then?

@Yosep Ryan Agusta In most gacha games the developers are very generous when it comes to their anniversaries. So they give something obviously something special for the occasion or they have massive sales/outfit/characters. But in Genshin's case, the rewards were, to put it nicely, mediocre. There were no real differences between the new player login and the anniversary gifts. On top of that, to get more rewards it is locked behind a send-a-wish event where winners are chosen randomly and an art contest. Another gacha albeit there were many small rewards unrelated to the anniversary. But the fact that chosen art submissions will be featured and excites the artist with primogems, it's sorta like free marketing. It's both disgusting but also genius because Hoyo is actually a really small company. You can see how people have divided opinions. Maybe this will fill you in how excited the community was: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qNeknbmLyJjIpWw.html

@@YosepRA 2 wishes prize 💀

@@mypfpislilterallyyou1623 no way. That cant be true!

Game is a status symbol for some rich Chinese. Status is king there and speding bucks is where it's at. A cheapie game won't cut it.

You should blame the people showering them money buddy. They don't change anything because of that, no money = desperation and immediate changes.

@@pauloguitar4366 that's like blaming women for wearing revealing clothes on raep. Flawed logic at best, shifting the blame like that. It's gross indecency on mihoyo's part, not people who wanted to support a game they love's fault.

@@kueapel911 huh, you're totally clueless man, they won't change bad practices if people reward them for said bad practices lmao, is it that hard to understand? What does this have anything to do with women wearing revealing clothes or whatever lol, your comparison is completely off, you want change? Stop giving them money, it's simple as that. You probably got butthurt because you must be one of them, sorry if I burst your bubble, but this is reality, companies couldn't care less about you, they only care about your money, just stop giving them profit and the game would get BETTER for everyone, why would they change anything that clearly works in their favor, stop being stupid, complaining while spending won't do jack shit, you know very well what I mean, flawed logic my ass, you just can't accept the truth. Cheers.

Didn't they give us a ton of primos last anniversary? After the uproar anyway lol. I don't play any other f2p games like this so I'm not sure if mihoyo was stingy.

@@shineeis5657 they gave 10 pulls worth of primo after a massive uproar. For comparison, other gacha games give UR/5 star/Their highest rarity character picker ticket. 10 pulls equals to 1/15, or 6.7% of usual gacha game's anniversary reward, and that ignores the fact that other gacha games often includes many other rewards too. Mhy is not stingy, they are scummy. It's on a whole another level of evil psychological manipulation tactic. Deliberately starving you off resources, so you are conditioned to be grateful with a tiny drop of resource. Like a maltreated kid whose parents never give any love at all so they rejoice at a slightest hint of care. INB4 corporate whiteknights bark at me.

Wait, that wasnt a system? so I won 50/50 that day during hu tao rerun?(it was the first banner i pulled on at ar 20 and got her in 25 pulls)

@@sleeper5905 yup.

@@sleeper5905 yup, I lost my Venti to Jean when I started (and this time I lost him to Qiqi)

@@sleeper5905 LMAO, i have C2 Mona & Qiqi and received all 5* Standar Banner character as F2P, lose almost all 50:50, the sistem is shit but it's ok the content is free

@@baked_pxtato That's called luck. My alt account won 50/50 and got Ayaka at around 60, then Qiqi at 15, and then Yelan at 3(!!!). This does not mean that there's a system where 5 star rates escalate with each 5 star, just that I got EXTREMELY lucky 3 times. The only real systems are 5 star at 90 without one, 4 star after every 10 without one, and 50/50 of feature or not, and guaranteed featured for the next one 4/5 if you lose the coinflip.

It’s honestly sickening when opening a chest and getting 2 primos🤢 Like “Wow so generous i have to open 79 more just to get 1 Pull”

And it gets even worse when you factor in that it takes about 8 pulls to get a four star, on average. So just 639 more to get a four star. And if you're a long term player and/or have spent some money, if that four star is a character, you're likely to already have max constellations, meaning you just won a wish. Yay? But at least it is better than a four star weapon you don't even want to refine. That's just some weapon xp and 2/5th of a wish.

Mishityo knows they are greedy, they don't care. It was either make a generic, soon to be forgotten RPG or attach gambling and bring in the gacha addicts.

@@lostconciousness4255 Genshin isn't a generic RPG though. It has more personality than most triple A games. It's on par with Nintendo games with the level of personality and charm it has. They didn't have to make it Gacha, but they did because they're money hungry and because Gacha is apparently the only thing the company knows how to make.

@Mu La Flaga You clearly haven't played the game then, because Genshin is very very far from a generic anime RPG.

+ commissions should give more primos and in-game resources

The free daily pull on standard banner would be amazing!

The third option is amazing, good idea

The 1 and 4 are razonable, but 2 and 3 is too much, mostly 2

@@Leo-ok3uj unreasonable to who? They want you to pay over 400 to get the character you want in case you lost 50/50 but here you're not saying it's unreasonable and 2 and 4 are too much for you 😂 Discounting 1st ten pulls by 2 at least is not too much. Also a daily single pull is excitement for players to play which even low to be honest.

Take a break from grind if you feel burn out, you can just do events that you like, and new quests, your account will still exist you don't need to log in everyday.

I dont get it. It doesnt take too much time to play commissions or quests or events and like welkin is only a few seconds and battle pass not that much primos and is simply leveling easily with enough time 40 days u can do with simple daily resin spending on bosses or artifacts, also wont take max a few hours a day. All that can simply be done in an hour even on daily so its not like its that depressing or boring.

@@bluedragon8223 Because there are thousands of games that I can play for an hour every day and have more fun than endless boring grinding for no fucking reason.

@@gigan3838 This exactly. Doesn't matter how quick the dailies are done if its not fun. Sometime I don't even want to spend 5 seconds to login and claim my blessing moon 90 primo. That's how bad the endless grind get. Even after you farmed primos for months to get the character you want, you might lose the 50-50 OR you might not even be able to play them because you don't have the billion material needed to level them up to your current world level.

@@Zuvas Quick question : I've never bought Welkin before. If I were to buy it and for whatever reason I don't log in for a day, do I lose that day's 90 primos forever? Or can I still get it the next time I log in, like pulling up an email in my inbox?

The Anniversary I feel was them trying to set a baseline that pretty low. The issue is that it's INCREDIBLY low, especially compared to what we get from the average "big" event. Because it was considered the smaller event alongside the CNY (iirc) event.

yeah, after getting unforged when i tried to get mistsplitter, i've become more hesitant on spending. i just don't feel like pulling at all anymore, to be honest. i hate 50/50s because i'm so used to losing now, i'm just waiting to get my c3 qiqi and go.

@@ayatoculus same, I only won one 50/50 and I've been playing for over a year. Now whenever there is a character I want I start calculating will I be able to save 180 pulls until then lmao

Eh, aren’t weapon banners scams anyway? At least with character banners pity carries over.

@@princez.2648 Wishing system in general is a scam anyways. Other Gachas according to what their players say do not have that hard pity but give out a ton of summoning currency. I still cant take those 2 fuckin primogems for opening a chest or not even 1 pull from dailies seriously.

It's frustrating and when you pet it that way I feel like just wanting to beat someone up ( although it's not going to happen)

F2P I get cause they aren't spending money. So I would agree, why cater to them? However, when you snuff even the people who spend money on your game. Yeah...that's bad. You also have to remember this game is built for China first and the rest of the world second. That's where the problem lies. Other mobile games don't have this problem because they build for the global market and then just do what China wants for them. As long as they develop in China, it will always be this way. Get use to it or play something else till more content comes out. As far as the marketing goes, yeah it's lazy. However, people are dumb enough to help them knowing full well they won't get paid. You can't fix stupid. Reused assets are a common occurrence in just about everything. The fact that you're complaining about it makes me laugh. Lots of games do this to cut costs. Yes they're making a ton of money, but that still doesn't mean they won't cut where they can.

@@sjue316 Aye. Doesn't mean I shouldn't call out BS business tactics. Stuff can be re-used if it doesn't make the end result look cheap. For the most part that seemingly has not been the case for Genshin, though it has other glaring issues. Short-term profits only gets the game so far, hence why they are also introducing 'new projects' because of probably noticing the dip in Genshin's popularity. Makes me wonder whether it's actually cheaper for them to crank out new IP-s rather than make more meaningful changes to existing ones. I hear good things about Honkai despite never having played it. Genshin was a stroke of good luck, but they do not seem to have any idea on how to keep it going. That or capitalism really is that idiotic.

@@VeryLewdBeaR It’s not a product of capitalism. God you sounds like a fucktard. Things don’t go the way YOU think it should. Let’s blame something unrelated. You can call out the BS all you want. They’re still not going to listen to you, especially if you’re F2P. As I’ve said in other comments, they only care about the Chinese market as they weren’t expecting it to be as big of a hit with the rest of the world. Now they’re struggling to keep up. If the game dies, it dies. It mainly dies from where the development team is from and how restrictive their government is on everything. It has nothing to do with capitalism.

@@VeryLewdBeaR Honkai got a facelift during late-2021 (5.2 Mobius patch I think) when all the burnt-out Genshin players started playing and making it more recognised. I remember a two or three week-long stint where Genshin CC's tried out Honkai for the first time and actually liked it. Genshin is too rooted in their ways, but we are starting to see competition emerge, so we might see some change. The new archon quest was a breath of fresh air after the fucking hot mess that Inazuma was and showed a bit more care and effort, so baby steps? Honkai wasn't as stable as it is now, you can read about the bunny girl anniversary controversy that someone almost got stabbed over.

@@niajoby4973 Friend reminded me today that we're 3 months away from another Genshin anniversary and that he can't wait for a new shitstorm. Have not tried the latest archon quest as I believe you're probably referring to that. Yet to carry on with Itto's quest to then be able to play the event. I have a strange thing with that because deep down I think I avoid finishing all the incoming content as soon as possible because of the dawning of the fact that there's nothing else to do afterwards. I have been secretly hoping that MiHoYo will get a slap on the ass to finally start doing more. Nice to hear some extra info about Honkai. Cheers. Though I really love Aponia's design, both aesthetically and gameplay-wise, I doubt I can bring myself to get into another gacha.

this. Im wishing these new games success so Genshin would actually give a damn

I read generous as gorgeous and that was pretty confusing. But anyway, I agree

Yeah... that wouldn't happen. If you think they care what other companies do, you're mistaken.

As much as I would hope for that Genshin is one of the more generous gachas with their rewards.

@@sjue316 not if their sales starts plummeting lol

"Because of Genshin, I'm not interested in playing any other Hoyoverse title" "I don't recommend Genshin to my friends" saaame, every time I see something about their newer titles like ZZZ or Honkai star Rail, I hold myself back thinking "theres no way im subjecting myself to this bs TWICE" and I honestly never imagined a fanbase that actively tells others not to play, but i completely agree, I do it too.

@@snivysaur0000 I recommend you to try the other games as they do have endgame content

@@universalspaceexpeditioner8259 i play plenty of other games. genshin just happens to be the 1 gatcha i actually play. and with how things are? i doubt that list is expanding anytime soon.

''go after them even harder than loot boxes.'' I highly doubt that will happen, the whole backlash on lootboxes and them being banned all over the EU is their whole laws on gambling for children. The main issue here is since pity is a thing it isnt actually gambling. For instance in FIFA which has packs and that recieved huge bans the main problem was you could spend millions of dollars and not actually get anything because nothing is guaranteed. However, this game has bad rates but things are guaranteed if you spend 500$ you are guaranteed atleast 2 five stars for instance.

We can also do our contribution by making the choice of not playing P2W games as a rule. I know it is not always possible to apply it because of friends already playing. But it should be so to get rid of this micro transaction p2w cancer.

"that would require them to do more work" you do realize skins are some of the least amount of work to do right? Lmfao "2 of which are just color swaps" who?????? All 4skins are entirely different attire than what the characters normally wear with details that the original outfits do not have at all. How tf is that a color swap? Wanna see a color swap ? Go look up Raven in honkai and her skin that came from the battlepass a couple of patches ago. *That's* a color swap skin. How fucking disingenuous is this dogshit playerbase holy hell lmao

Bad idea. Look at pubg mobile and brawl stars, i don't want genshin to become a funky clothes store

@@Torpedo91 sure, your game becomes a dress up simulator when there isn't much else going on to define the game. But genshin wouldn't have that problem. But hoyo isn't interested in finding new ways to incentivize spending. They just wanna milk their whales for as much as they can and push everyone else away

@@ReaperCet it's good that they don't give a damn about community. Community has changed the meaning of F2P(Free 2 play) to Free to Pull. They want everything delivered to their feet and don't want to get it by earning it. I would rather accept a gaming company milking their whales than a company who fills their screen with $ button and puts ads

@@Torpedo91 ads? The entire story is nothing more than an ad for the gacha. That's why they don't let you skip any of it. That's genshin's problem. The entire game is secondary to its monetary objectives. So they won't do anything That's not gonna make them more money. That includes improving the game.

agreed. i hate whales becoz of that

But event are literally what make the game alive . That like cutting a gacha part of a gacha game .

@@vengeancewillbemine2104 Hey, let's not hate on whales. They are a big reason why the game is still running, where do you think hoyoverse gets the funds??

@@rororin_mochikoko1533 yeah n also the reason why they dont give af bout f2ps and low spenders... they just billion dollar company so should expect more out of them...

@@vengeancewillbemine2104 No, your take is wrong. It's the company's fault for not catering towards low spenders like me or f2ps. That's why it's so stupid to hate on whales, like wtf. If anything, we should be backing up each other so hoyoverse will be forced to do smth lmfao

I agree, PGR sets a good balance on spending. Never in the almost year the game has been released in GLB have I been pressured to spend, unlike nearly every other gacha I've played... A lot of their gacha lets you choose your uprates (minus S rank frames). I'm very happy with this system, I happily buy lots of limited skins and monthly when I can instead. They might not be raking in the most money because of it... but they do show lots of love to their game. The current CN patch Surviving Glimmer is insane... ~6 hour long story, so many more CGs than usual and live 2Ds, BG music, and an insane amount of character development in one patch for a single character.

Honesty agree. The whales will still whale for constellations and the F2P will still remain F2P without being a big source of income for them. Another good example is Arknights imo, I consider it very generous and they are still doing well with earnings.

*YES !!* Finally someone mention PGR !! I think the only hiccups for F2P is that u HAD TO dedicated every BC for new S Rank unit to hit 60 pity. But _ATLEAST_ its weapon Pity is *HALF* & its not going anywhere. Fack Genshin 😑

@@whyhellothere6855 Well I almost agree to Arknights being F2P but the problem came when they introduce Limited Operator & that 300 Spark point... I say 75% balance F2P experience

@@teukucutrakhman265 I agree with the spark system. But at the same time Arknights is so generous with everything else - not to mention the spark system limited operators are the only characters that are not permanent - id still say it’s really F2P. They still have to make money somehow, and as a F2P I understand I cannot ask for everything to be given to me easily, since I’m not really giving them a lot of revenue. And plus with limited ops only coming every 6 months, I’d say Arknights is still one of the most generous gachas I’ve played.

To add salt to the injury, except for the recent Ayaka banner situation, all the banners were and will be 3 weeks. So you might just be out of luck if you want a particular 5 star but out of primos.

Per patch, you are getting a baseline of about 43 fates. As a f2p, I have gotten more than a 10 pull from this month alone, June 1 - 3rd. The number of primos I got last month was over 7k, which is just over 43 and you have to remember here that I didn't do exploration or quests, and this was during the delay which means no events and would match up with the baseline. You can easily get around 55-60 fates each patch considering that one patch is 6 weeks. This means that you have just less than a 50% chance to get a 5* character every patch. Unless you want every single new 5* character that comes out (very unlikely), you are easily able to save a large number of fates which you can spend to your liking.

@@entityahnilator1883 You are right. Unless you want every single character that comes out, you can get whatever you want.

@@entityahnilator1883 I don't belive this claim, I am a f2p too. You are actually trying to convince me that you got more than 1600 primogems in 3 days without quests, chests or doing the events, free battle pass, etc. I don't buy this. Are you sure you even know what 10 pulls are

@@cybergamer__ Over a 30 day period of actual refreshing content: 30 days x 60 primos on commissions = 1800 gems per month. 2 Spiral Abyss cycles per month x 600 Primos for 36 Stars total on all rooms = 1200 gems per month. Totaling nearly 19-20 pulls. 10 wishes in the shop each month, 5 for each type. 5 Standard wishes for maxing battle pass out at Lv50, plus 4 Limited and 680 additional gems if you dropped $10 down. Totaling 15 pulls + 4 & 680 Gems giving 4 more for spenders = 23 pulls for spenders. The variable on gem income comes from what events are run and how many gems/fates MiHoYo is willing to part with. Character test runs (20 or 40), Stellar Reunion if you were on break for a large period of time (500 over a week for missing out on days of dailies/events), etc, are also variable as they are not true constant sources. Claimant said 43 baseline, so he's not far off the mark of where we typically end up. Do lemme know if my math's off somewhere, I've been a bit more tired than usual lately.

i agree and for people using battle pass gets a good critrate weapon that will help you balance your crit stats

welkin is def worth it, bp.. is eh, 10$ is quite a lot. i got bp once because i got to level 45$ and that was the highest ive ever been and i wanted deathmatch for hutao.

@@kriiler I'd argue that unless you can get to lvl 50, you're not getting your entire money's worth. It's by no means a criticism towards you, as not everyone can finish BP because life, interests, hobbies, and time exist. But excluding all the mats, mora, and weapon... the primos and fates alone are already a $20+ value at lvl 50. Ten dollars is a pretty good asking price imo. Gnostic Chorus is the one I'd say is questionable.

I’ve bought welkin+bp since the beginning and scraped down every event/quest primo and I’d argue Genshin is still too expensive. You’d think I could own a copy of every characters yet I still have to sacrifice some banners just to get another and I’m still thinking abt their value. I can’t even roll casually for their weapons to optimise and in Genshin’s existence I have less than 5 5* weapons. I’d argue getting BP+Welkin should provide you already the bare minimum which is at least pulling the featured character at c0 for the primos you get so you don’t miss out and the constellations be the one that are premium. But rn even if the equivalent of BP+Welkin price is an expansion pack, you still can miss out on getting that “expansion” pack which are the new characters and weapons and that proves how stingy the current system really is

@@zodiacsagittarius344 I say that what you want is impossible now. If Mhy was to give you a guaranteed c0 featured character through Welkin and BP, the stuff we have to do would get 10x harder than they are now, and pricier. After all, the gacha would lose some value from no longer relying on the "missing out" tactic. People who spend up to $180 on a guarantee c0 could turn into $15. That's a $165~ loss for just one person. So it'd be natural on Mhy's end to maximize profits off BP, while also making it harder for us. Had they done it back during release, or even further back during investor talks, it likely would've been more reasonable. But now, it's impossible they'd ever do it without some sort of higher (or same) return. **Also, they would still play into the missing out tactic, now that I realize. But instead of not having enough primos, it's "can you do 50-100 levels within __ days?" It becomes less of how much money you want to spend, and more of how much time can you dedicate every patch to Genshin.

I like Dilluc too

Diluc is actually fun to play, I don't get why people hate him so much, his burst also looks epic 👍

"granted 90 wish pity rarely occurs" Wait what?

Umm a 5-star is worth 2-5 Euros in cost? Lmao. How about character design, from visual to moveset to background story etc.?

Mate you gotta differentiate better between cents and thousands. And 5 stars at sub-75? That's luck. The rate goes up after 75, so most will be at 76+.

@@SeanCrosser I could be misremebering but I believe Soft pity is 75-78, in wich u have a huge % chance, and after that is standart rates or a little higher until 90

@@SeanCrosser on a big scale you get one 5* every 62 pulls. Usially you get 5* in between 74 and 82 pulls. Sometimes you get them on pre-74 wish.

I disagree. Having a game cost €70 from the start is extremely risky because there is a chance you will end up disliking the game. And also, it is not as if being f2p on Genshin makes you incapacitated whatsoever. I’m f2p and have got a Ganyu, Ayaka, Mona, Qiqi and Kokomi.

@@faye7199 ah cyberjunk in a nutshell.

@@faye7199 gacha games end up having way more expenses overall.

@@yummykebab6711 They do, but you are not forced to spend money. Whereas if a game costs money you’re automatically locked out and don’t have a choice.

@@faye7199 you usually dont buy a game if you dont know anything about it. in generall you have an idea what to expect from a game and can make a educated decision if its worth spending full price on it or not. And even if the fullprice game does not meet expactations you still have the full game to unlock. as a f2p player in any live service game you will never be able to unlock everything. The 5 star characters in your case are most likley without constellations. meaning you dont have the complete Characters, you only unlocked 1/6 of them. And thats what irks me the most. its just a way to coerce players into spending more than on a regular game.

I've sprung for maybe one or two 5 star weapons and have always regretted it. Don't touch that banner with a 10ft pole.

That's why I play a No-wish account. No money needed and while I don't even have a Noele, I got Ningguang and Xingqiu at the last events. I'm at AR 50 with a Wind Traveler Main. I can literally do everything short of clear abyss full stars. My biggest obstacle was actually mining until I got Xinyan on the even because I had no Claymore

Why is it that people are so fixated on pulling every new character that gets released? The ability to get a newly released character isn't a very good metric for how p2w a game is. Many people don't want new characters and over half of all people skip the new banner. Not to mention the time it takes to build every character would take over a month, meaning that it's impossible to even build everyone you get and be able to play them. There are also many reruns that not only give you another chance to pull people but also an opportunity to skip and save primos if you already have them. Also, the weapon banner is pretty much a big scam, they make specialized weapons for the new 5* which sucks. The big point of pulling on the weapon banner is being able to use the weapon on other people but it just feels bad if they specialize it for one person. Try to really avoid the weapon banner.

@a------------ Who are you doing the farming for if you don't have characters?

@a------------ It's funny because you had no point in the first place. I was giving you a chance to elaborate in even the slightest how the fuck that makes any sense whatsoever, alright? You farm for the characters until you have them built and you can use them forever, that's simple. You're telling me there's no point farming if you just have to do it again which just tells me you don't like gachas, which usually have you farm a lot and don't always magically give you content or have an end.

How is it disgusting to defend the game? I am f2p and yes it is annoying not being able to afford to wish on my favourite characters, I lost my Xiao 50/50 and got Mona, but Hoyoverse gain nothing from me playing the game. Therefore why should they give away stuff. They make the content easily accessible and simple to play, you do not need 5*s to play the game. If you are willing to grind you will get 1 eventually and you should be happy with that considering the game's content is free.

It's hilarious to me when people make the argument that hoyo will "go broke" if they start getting just a tiiiny bit more generous with their rewards. Like. That company makes billions of revenue in a year. They will be fine giving one intertwined fate a day.

@@aashwineldo5236 Well, apparently they gained some form of loyalty and interest toward the game from you You are not paying money but you are keeping the game relevant and consuming Genshin content. You are in a way, a free ad for Mihoyo

@@Mcquenze Except not really there are plenty of people who play and don't engage with the community. Even before release the concept of an open world Gacha and BOTW clone was enough marketing If anything the online discourse and f2p don't do much there's no barrier to play. They don't incentive whales to gamble. Like other Gacha since its PVE There's more negativity spread by the vocal minority of f2p and the silent majority who play casually. As a resources f2p do nothing not even market Its like Pokémon veterans will always buy kids like monster's and casuals don't care about Story that franchise carries its own weight. There's never not going to be f2p so what do they add even Genshin being a Gacha on PlayStation markets itself no other Gacha tries to hit that market

@@demonking-zm3rs Ah, nice. Fair points and I agree that not everyone engages with the community and sometimes they do more harm than good. But I still think that "Hoyo does not gain anything from F2P" is false. it doesn't have to be just for marketing, they can use data for the game, there are always surveys but we don't know what else they track on our accounts and how they use that data to make design decisions. And even as a F2P you are always a potential customer which is why they want to keep you playing for as long as possible. And most importantly, you are giving them your time. Hope I could explain myself.

My gacha dream is to get every guy in genshin along with their family, signature weapons and some of them C6. Though I'm super patient. After all I've been playing seriously after getting albedo on his rerun. And I try to look for positives. Though I do have some luck. Though I may not have a five star weapon. I'm still going to try. I know I must have patience. And so far I'm super close to getting all of the guys. Going to equip my rust on Childe if I get him. Maybe scarifical sword or a similar sword to kazuha if I get him. Though I haven't spent a dime and I have plenty of team comps I can try and mix and match if I want to. I also want heizou once he comes out he'll get my r2 widths if I get him. I find wish simulators help as well. Because you just instantly wish on them with no worries about spending money on them. I'm very patient and can do my best for my guys. I'm also one who tries to help others in co-op just cause I want to play the game more. Sometimes even completely ignoring my multiple side quests to do.

Deceitful domain at max difficulty needs either god tier artifacts or some good constellations

agreed! I regretfully skipped her originally, but that's why I'm going for shenhe even if I have zero cryo DPS's. her design and personality are too good for me to miss out on.

Only in countries with a good ratio to Dollar, in my country the only good deal is the BP but ONLY if you're planning to play untill you get all the rewards with takes a lot of time.

Based.

Abyss isn't getting harder recently

@@pontoancora it's had a pretty hard shift from how it was upon release, the rewards were fine before it was the only form of content

@@rocki7426 the abyss want harder, but now is easier. The rewards are the same, and even the content structure are the same. Events, quests, occasionally new areas and abyss.

Well said I agree especially with the extra copies after c6ing a characters it's so useless FOMO is really a predatory tactic honestly and we get blind sided by this too (●__●)

For me, the 50/50 isn't the problem, it's the rate of gain for primos that's very painful

oh god 6 times.. that must have hurt

Ikr! I'm always getting Qiqi instead of what I was actually pulling for.

EXACTLY. If I have C6ed a character, take them out of the running. It would encourage people to pull More because it would slowly increase the odds of getting characters you don’t have already

Your comments reminds me on Crowbcat video about csgo gambling and the player mentality on gambling game aka gacha games aswell. It is just absurb when I heard argument say gacha is not gambling.

If i dont get the character ... i just get a koikatsu mod version :D Yeah its realy stupid to spend 1000$ on a single character (wich will be gone after server shut down or something in china happens), when you can just get a free hentei version and even date them (but not use them in combat). Heck you can even get the models for something like VR chat. Or if you want them for combat, i am sure there are some gta mods or skyrim ones.

But there are games that won't fuck you up like Azur Lane of Girl's Frontline. Most of their income comes from cosmetics and they are quite generous in terms of daily pulling. For example Azur Lane, with only dailies and weeklies you get 33 cubes per 7 days that can be used to do 16.5 pulls and each pull can give you new (or dupe) character and there are also commisions and monthly login that can increase that amout. I'd say that only downside for Azur Lane's gacha is having no pity outside of UR characters that can be translated as 6* for genshin

@@kami761 because Azur Lane and GFL monetization are not mainly from the gacha and mostly on skins, their premium currency can be farmable aswell. Both GFL and AL are example of Pay to Look Good (uhm not that type of pay to look good scam) while GI is Pay to Win. I'm not the best explaining it but there is an youtuber made a better monetization comparison with GI and AL. I'm here not saying just to make AL looks good and GI looks bad, both of these game monetization practise by default is like heaven and hell.

@@chenchen6150 there's nothing p2w about GI my guy. P2W implies that you HAVE to spend money to succeed and do well which is absolutely not the case for GI as much as you might find that difficult to believe. Wanna see what p2w looks like ? Go look at epic seven PvP.

Delusional

too good to be true

More like far future and the change is just a crumb.

No one top up anymore if this come true. This is mean dev has lowering price of their product. Billion dollar company into pitiful company. I guarantee that

Changing the banner like that will likely cause backlash, so I doubt they'll change the pity UNLESS enough time passed, like maybe another year or two down the line. Not only that, they'll likely change the free primogem flow to compensate.

If you play every day, you get enough for a pity every update. That can give you 6 from the 9 limited 5star they make every year on average. But if you aren't the type to play everyday, I recommend play once per update at least to enjoy the major event.

Ah yes , because it will definitely boost their sale and not totally remove the gacha aspect . You know what , how about we make 5 star weapon grindable too ! It would definetly boost their sale.

If that was the case nobody would spend any money on genshin again ( except a few people) Meaning that the sales would go 📉

@@yukipotato4767 that why genshin is less generous than Honkai.

I've spent less than $100 since day one, and have 11 5 star banner characters. Do some resource mamagement and pray for a bit of luck.

It doesn't even need to be that, primos need to either be cheaper and more accessible or pity needs to be lower. The fact that f2p's just cannot hope to get many 5 star constellations is ridiculous. Like there's basically no in between with 5 star cons. Aside from notable exceptions mainly caused by dolphins and super good early cons for some characters everyone basically has c0 or c6 5 stars.

To be perfectly honest, as a F2P we have the same content as whales and that's amazing. You're able to play the same charachter as them if you want to. Also most 5 stars are designed to be main dps so you don't really need a team full of 5 stars. One 5 stars is enough. I would even say some teams with only 4 stars are better than 5 stars only teams. So just pick your favorite 5 stars and you're good to go. Don't forget we didn't even have to play the game and still have access to all the content. If you want to do more wishes, you can also go to the lottery and it probably cost you even more for no return.

@@neodymus no we dont. we have same content as whales doesnt mean shit that's what every f2p games do

@@shutup1037 except most F2P games aren't really F2P games. Just take league or Hearthstone for example, you can't even test different decks or champions and they are competitive games. Genshin doesn't have this problem and you're actually allowed to test charachter before playing it (even though i must agree the test thing is completely biaised but at least you can feel the animation and all) I must agree though that you must play a lot before unlocking some charachters. But since it's not competitive, you can leisurely enjoy the one you have.

@@neodymus yea and gacha games are the same. Arent really f2p. Dude who cares of clearing content if anyone can do, what we care about is the characters we clear content with. And Mihonkhonk is just stingy af

​ @Crankz dude the game is really easy. And even if it isn't, the game is already one year old there is plenty of guides out there. And don't get me started on abyss, it's just there to flex or to be challenging, it's not a reason to pull a charachter. Also you can decrease your world level if you struggle. And if all those requirement aren't met, well that means you probably touch grass and go outside because you're not gaming enough to be good at it, hence you might have some pennies to spare (ok maybe a little stupid argument but still a valid point) Last thing i didn't mention but is also obvious is that world level won't increase if you don't do the elevation quest, so if you're not ready to take the next step, just don't do the elevation quest. I know it take a lot of restraint. I know some people are naïve. So i know your point is valid. So yeah maybe the compagny is evil because they make profit out of people weak point. But they wouldn't be able too if people were smart enough in the first place. So it's both fault probably.

You hit me.. right in the spot...

plus the game takes an incredible amount of work and talent. it's an amazing game, and it being *free* makes it almost unbelievable

@@HopeIsADrug11037 the most critically acclaimed games in the world don't bank on player fomo, microtransactions, and endgame content geared to make you spend money for the newest character. yes players should have some responsibility and self-control (keep in mind that a massive chunk of the playerbase are kids), but more importantly, so too should mihoyo. here's one example: they specifically implemented the welkin moon to be the most "money-efficient" option while also the option that will have you willingly logging into genshin every day just so you wont waste it. that value that the welkin offers comes at a cost: genshin takes up real estate in your brain, no extra advertisement required. you'll be thinking about it every day because you dont want to miss a day of welkin. there are soooooo many other tricks that the game employs to A. make you spend a little in the beginning and B. make you comfortable with spending even more. thinking about genshin as a free game kinda prevents you from seeing it, and more importantly it prevents conversation about how exactly mihoyo tries its best to get money out of you.

@@hiraya5296 i mean obviously they want money. i never denied that. but think about it: if people didn't spend money on the game, it'd probably be pretty expensive. you always have a choice to spend on the game. they definitely try their best to get money out of you. but they *do* need money to keep the game running lol. plus, while the endgame content isn't the best, it's certainly not horrible. at least you can still like... do stuff. plus i doubt people do literally everything in the game before finishing it. there's always something to do, even if you don't personally enjoy it. it's certainly lacking, but ive seen very very *very* few people actually contribute to that conversation. people just say "endgame is lacking" or "Genshin's endgame is horrible!" and don't give anything that can improve it. you can criticize the game, but at least give constructive criticism. because at that point, it's not even criticism. it's just complaining.

@@hiraya5296 also, what fomo? from missing events? a lot of games have events. and a lot of games have micro transactions. and a lot of games have content geared to making you spend money. but that's just the way games are. they need money to keep going, especially if it's something as well made as Genshin *while* being free. Genshin isn't done yet, they still need money to keep going. and of course they're going to want money afterwards. but.... yk i'm actually just tired of typing LMAO i might continue this later but i don't feel like it rn

This, we get it the game is free and the company needs money, but jesus 10 pulls 30 dollars?

@@nadaaqui7407 they uses their money to other games and not in the game itself :( lmfao they literally dont even care about honkai impact 3rd

@@nadaaqui7407 30$ for a 10 pull just to get shafted and get the Bell.

Their only defense is "there are people who have and will continue to pay."

You dont even need to spend... Zero dollars is very cheap.

The players are equally disrespectful and equally greedy anyway so lmao

Lack of end game content is doubly painful when you realize after getting all the one time primos for exploring every corner of the world with characters you don't enjoy and you save up for months for that one character you want there will be no game left to play.

I agree. I believe revenue model of this game should be skins. Obviously good, and not overpriced skins. Good skins will also get people to go for chars, they otherwise would have skipped. Currently Genshin's revenue is completely based on Limited chars and their weapons. But once Skins play a bigger role,I hope the chars and weapon get cheaper.

No. Welkin and bp are worthless. A waste of money.

The skins are exorbitantly expensive especially Diluc skin which is rumored to be 40$ with no discount. That price can get you 2 legend and/or 3 - 4 Epic skin in League an the League skins have a ton of new voicelines, animations and even changing between several effects

@@asianjackass237 I agree it's expensive. But I don't think League is a good comparison, because of difference in the base graphics involved. League also took lot of time to actually develop good skins. I believe Genshin will get there eventually.

@@Zerodymegx The problem IS the overprice, they could release better quality skins with EVEN HIGHER PRICE in the future and their defenders will be like oh its fine cause the skin is upgraded completely ignoring the fact that the original low quality skins were overpriced TO BEGIN WITH. Unless these current low effort skins PERMANENTLY go down in price then its clear that they just condition people to accept overprice subtly by the argument of "quality"

Hm. I don't have venti or kazuha but I don't remember that electroculus being too tricky. It's been a bit since I collected them though.

@@gee_woah The one on top of the palace / where you fight the Raiden Shogun for the first time. There is one on top of there and it could just be me and not knowing how the other characters would go about getting up there but you had to use Geo traveller if you're ftp, and you have to make sure you position everything perfectly before having a chance to glitch yourself up.

I played Brave Souls for a bit, the gacha is much better because simply going through the story gives you orbs to pull, daily log ins and events give a decent amount, and they give a decent amount of units for free like choosing between 10 units and getting one of them, that way at least its a character you wanted and not Qiqi

BBS argument is weird when you need multiple copies of a unit to be viable in the endgame. It is still by far more f2p friendly than Genshin in regard to monthly orbs from senk, resets, events,rez’s, and new units from given bbs tickets. No pity in the game also blows once your at where I’m at in the game(pulling for 5/5 units or gq specific units for sub 10s HGQ). If you maximize everything it’s roughly 10 multis a month(only vets can even do this). So while you can guarantee a 5* every month it’s far less useful than pulling one in Genshin.

for bbs, i agreed. Its way toooverpriced for the amount of you get. But i can say its f2p friendly because you can get a shit ton of orbs by playing story quest, event quest and just by upgrading your character to certain level. It also has a lot event which can give you orbs and mostly ticket to pull a character. Not to mention event quest which you can farm infinitely and get unlimited tickets. Im f2p and play since 2017 and got alot of characters. The only things bother me is that they dont have pity system in their gacha so you might not get your desired character after several pulls but they have higher rate on getting 5 star than genshin on first 10 pull.

@@nickkorosec5674 Agreed. If you go to Ragnarok new mobile you need 2 copies of the char to get to level 60, 3 OTHER copies to get THAT CHAR to lv 70 and 4 more to get to 80. You call genshin expensive, but the game don't actually have ANY paywall. You only get flashier and shinier characters on gacha. My no-wish account don't even have Noele and I'm AR50. And as the "not too generous with freebies" I have Xinyan, Aloy, Ningguang and Xingqui from events ALONE. And that's because I lost the event to get Fichsl from before

I just started Girls Frontline before the Vallhalla collab they ran like a month ago, after having played Azur Lane, Fire Emblem Heroes and the like for years. Speaking bluntly, GFL's main source of income will be from consistently making players pay premium currency to expand their character slots, on top of skins being a gacha with light ties to gameplay. Azur Lane does this as well, however Manjuu offers way, waaaaay more chances for f2p to do that; in exchange, the skin costs are fairly exorbitant - you buy them if you like Manjuu and want to support their work.

you get 66 primos perdollar on the 30$ deal, so yea, around 219 dollars for a 90-pull. Bullshit, if you ask me. You need to spend 440 bucks to makes sure you get ONE COPY of the character you want

Everything is getting harder though. There are normal mobs that have more HP and are technically stronger than some Mondstadt Bosses. Quest are also getting more ridiculous, mundane and boring. So the game is even far less fun than it used to be.

Thats a you problem, as a f2p I got a lot more than 45k primos in that time frame. At least double that ammount.

@@danielcarrilho5217 Well that I don't disagree with, but the content created to get those gems is becoming mundane. Often tedious. For example. If you didn't finish the Chasm which is a very boring linear none open world, dialogue heavy, ass dragging quest line, you can not even smash space bar to skip through dialogue for some reason. Everything in it seems designed to take forever to do. Well you can not advance, and the Chasm I didn't finish up until recently because it was the worst quest line I've seen since Fog Island and I just didn't enjoy it. Examples why below. 1. Firing a Cannon is a multi stage process, with many different quest based steps/exploratory moments, fetching/gathering/unlocking items just to blow a hole... they could of just let us activate the cannon, or perhaps craft some gunpowder and a cannon ball something which we should be more than able to do, everyone. Heck, I have a Klee I should be able to blow up mountains, but character aside. It's dumb and tedious, not really fun. 2. Purifying Crystals. Not only do you have to climb up/down a cave not designed for climbing, unlike the fun regions of Mondstadt and Liyue, you also have to fight enemies at most of the crystals, use the new gadget to unlock the crystals, gather light to repeat the process, but you also have to boringly stand next to the crystals for a set period of time to well charge them. A totally unnecessary step in particular. It's similar to the "Fog" Island as a nicknamed it, good story/characters but the questing itself was among the worst in the entire game, and just not enjoyable. I mean how many times I had to gather leaves for the same tree, or make the fog go away only for it to come back again, just so they could stack more parts of the quest to clear the island... it was frustratingly annoying to do. Basically it's all designed to be as time consuming as they can get away with without driving players away and I absolutely hate it when games INTENTIONALLY waste my time. It's what drives me away from a lot of MMORPGs, and I hate that my SINGLE PLAYER Gacha game is doing it now. What is worse, when they add a new region, normally the Event or Banner post release REQUIRES finishing specific quest or unlocking new regions just so you can participate. Which actually locks a lot of people out of rewards, or forces them to CRAM as much a work load as they can per day to catch up. Over all, the game is becoming a chore instead of actually being fun. They try to push out events often twice a month and do not give people time to breath or even take breaks.

@@danielcarrilho5217 touch grass

I agree about the skins. I'm f2p, but I'd be willing to buy a skin if they weren't so overpriced. The 4* ones don't even change animations or gameplay at all and they're over 20$. Like, really??? I'm scared to see what outrageous price the 5* skins will be.

@@bloodtasteslikecookies6640 5* skins will apparently be more expensive, there was a leak about it, I don't want to go into details because it feels spoiler-y, but yeah, more expensive than the current 4* counterparts, unfortunately

Well tbh we get half of the skins for free. Btw You can get 5 welkins to get a skin (at release for discount or 6 later), then it isn;t that bad 13500 primos, and skin for 25$. This is why I am getting welkin and saving my genesis crystals.

@@KraszuPolis We get half for free IN AN EVENT, they are still 1680 crystals after that, still overpriced, doesn't excuse it in my opinion Who are skins even made for anyway, besides people that REALLY love certain characters? Shouldn't skins be the way genshin earns money through f2p, at least 4*? Many would be willing to spend 10$ on a skin of their favourite character, even if they are f2p, but not 25$ for each one

Even skins in Wild Rift cost less yet they offer more than what you get for the overpriced skins in Genshin Impact. $20 just for just an outfit change is outrageous, considering that it is mostly just a re-skin of their base skin with little tinkering and no new skill effects nor animations. Talk about being stingy. ರ╭╮ರ

from what I have read, granblue only became generous after massive backlash for something that looked similar to how genshin treated their anniversary, buuut genshin didn't learn or did jackshit after getting downvoted and the orchestra they did makes a lot of people think it wasn't that bad of a anniversary.

@@xLuis89x see the difference is granblue took a hit to it's revenue when the backlash happened. Genshin did not

Um...I don't think you'll have to worry about saving up for Scaramouche for a veeeeerrrryyyyy long time.......like.....several years into the future........

@@RoxasLov3r4Ev3r there are reliable leaks that say he´ll be playable in 3.2 meaning that his banner will release in 3.2. So it isnt really a very long time.

Won't happen. They're a Chinese developer. They've clearly shown they don't care about people outside of China. If you don't think Hoyo is predatory...I want what you're smoking.

@@sjue316 wait til you find out western devs and companies like tencent are far more predatory to the point they make Hoyo look like saints lmao

@@justsomeguy727 bro......... tencent is chinese too..........

Wish they didn't have the 50-50 bullshit

@@deadshade442 true and what makes it worst for me is the fact that you'll get a standard banner 5 star still regardless of having them make constellation. That's just greed.

Finally someone else who thinks this! I play idv since bit more than 2 years and yes the pulls are more expensive there....if you really unlucky with a gacha skin and you really need 250 pulls that's around 400 € in my country. And that's just for a skin XD

honestly, they should just remove the 50/50 system. it really hurts because you grind your ass out for that one character you want but you get an off-banner instead. i wouldn't mind the 90 wishes to guarantee a five star if there wasn't a 50/50 to be honest. or best they could do is fix the artifacts system.. (i'm really unlucky and i only have 2 characters built) :')

Uh, actually i like the grinding period. I like having a long term goal in mind that motivates me to come back everyday, and the uncertain stress over "will i get them, will i not". I have 180 saved for Kazuha, and a Yelan, and a Xiao, and a Itto, and now suddently the game feels very empty as all i can do is wait for the current banner to end or wish for 4 stars that have no pity (so no sense of progression and getting closer to a goal. Either you pull them or you don't). I was extactic when i pulled Yelan, but now the game just lost all sense of urgency. I still do my commission, but I'm apathic to my primogems count, every number above 180 (and really, every number above 160) feels meaningless. Whereas before i would be constantly counting how much i have, calculating how much i could spend on each banner without fucking up my goal. Some of my most fun "gaming" moment are ranting to a friend about how many wishes would be wise to spend on each banner. And at least, most of my 4 star are still not C6. Can't imagine how boring the game gets when everyone is C6. There's still gear grinding, and i don't mind that it takes long. But it's like with 4 stars: no sense of progression. Either you get what you want, or you don't, and there is no "at least im getting closer to my goal".

@@Coeurlarme Exactly, it's the journey to getting the 5 star is what I enjoy. not the actual 5 star part.

Bruh daily commissions only take 15 minutes 💀 but yeah they definitely are sheisty with there rewards.

It's both. The Genesis Crystals make Welkin seem like a very good deal. On the other hand, gacha games earn most of their money not from the 99% f2p or small spenders, but from the 1% whales.