People thought SWI would be the skill limit years ago and now it's out of the top 20. Hell, if the game lasts another decade, we might not see a skill limit until 2033.

"Imagine Slaughterhouse but 3 minutes long..." You just described GRIEF perfectly

It's such a shame that Return 0 was cancelled, because npesta said that he wanted to verify it because he wanted to push a meta of longer levels, and right now it seems like that's going to be the only real way of pushing difficulty forward at the top of the list because how on earth do you make gameplay harder than Acheron and Avernus that's possible?

I think the trend for harder levels going forward is definitely an increase in length, an abuse of the ship and wave gamemodes, since they have more skill expression, and potentially the use of randomized gameplay, so that muscle memory alone won't carry you to victory, you'll also need sight reading abilities

remember, no matter how hard the level is, you can create a harder version of it by maing the level longer

Yooo 100th video time!

2-player levels should get their own list

2:07 I like when levels are long and hard!

I believe Geometry Dash is not reaching the skill limit just yet. We’ve already seen what talented players have done over the past years breaking the skill limit time and time again. I believe that players will continue to break even more limits to what the game has to offer. Years ago, Bloodbath was #1. Years later, we have Acheron, Arcturus, Firework, Slaughterhouse, Kyouki, and much more. And I believe in another 5 years or so, there will be even more tops 1 much harder than the one we have now. It’s only a matter of time. We just have to wait for players to improve even more, which I’m confident they will. Also, 2.2 might motivate some players to play Geometry Dash more due to the new features. And those new features will definitely be used in upcoming extreme demons to make them even harder. So in my opinion, no. I do not think Geometry Dash will be ending anytime soon.

We’re entering in the 3min+ meta. Otherwise it will become very unfun to beat new top levels. This concern motivated me to build TW

Another thing to mention about the amount of new top 10's slowing down, back during the Tartarus era, the top 5 (Tartarus, The Golden, Zodiac, Kenos, Crimson Planet) stayed completely the same for an entire *year* before SWI was verified, but as soon as Slaughterhouse was verifed the enitre top ten got a bunch new levels (slh, fw, arcturus, oblivion, hard machine, sakupen circles) I feel like the demonlist seems to be going through a cycle of: New top one pushes the skill limit players improve new, harder levels get added the list gets harder to keep up with repeat

Honestly I think geometry dash isn’t going to get boring soon. 2.2 is going to add much more ways to grind the game and I think that will last a while. Also the hardest levels only make the level fun to watch for most players, maybe people would start grinding stars again. We don’t know what could happen with a community like this. But no matter what happens the GD community isn’t dying any time soon

Another time when I predict Geometry Dash future. I can't be wrong about this one.

helix is the Vsauce if gd

Thanks for this video OneAlphaHelix. love these retrospective videos :D.

I think that one way to potentially increase the skill ceiling even further would be to abuse triggers. For instance, adding triggers to already difficult parts that make it so you can only click in very specific frames which would make it extremely hard. Or, downright abusing click count triggers and making people have to get absurd amount of clicks in a very short time.

I believe we are reaching the skill level for what we have now... but like the wave in 1.9, all the new feature in 2.2 will take years of experience to adjust and improve in, making the skill cap higher

I can almost guarantee that every single recent tab level is just gonna be the sound effect trigger spammed all over the place with the fart sound effect and a 4x speed at the very beginning.

this man beats such hard levels while still putting out content! insane ❤

I love how long 2 player levels are going to be meta, I've been trying to push these for a while with a lot of WIPs I've presented to decently known creators.

Also there might be new glitches and exploits in 2.2, which will inspire levels with things such as dual separation glitch or data saved on each death (i forgor actual name, but it basically uses some weird ass trigger hell and iirc dual mode to save data from one attempt to the other) or how the game's physics break on larger coordinates and etc

I dont know, with the addition of so many new mechanics in 2.2, this can only lead to the games hardest demons getting harder. Let me explain. With the addition of free camera mode, itll be easier to pull off gameplay like the ball maze from Viprins part in Hypersonic, but also more. The addition of the random triggers can make for some truly random levels, with the new swingcopter and platformer mode, its very easy to suspect that those mechanics will be utilized very efficiently in 2.2 extreme demons. However, itll also change the way the demonslist and how difficulty in itself works in the game all together. Considering that we will also have the ability to do completely platformer based levels, the idea of having a list for hardest platformer levels also might come into play. Therefore, it wont just increase difficulty in my mind, itll also expand it entirely. Your video is great btw!

I was gonna make a video like this a couple weeks ago and went against it cause I had little ideas. Good to see another perspective on the topic

5:17 the change only affects the physics

5:26 this isn’t true because 60hz players will still have the significant input delay disadvantage

Just remember demon park, 10 years ago, an easy demon was an almost imposible level, imagine now

I feel like the skill limit seems to just be moving more slowly now, considering that we haven't seen a whole lot of players beating the top 3-5 levels (could be because of the levels just having bad gameplay or just difficulty) or any top 1s other than Tidal Wave being verified or completed. While there are a lot of really skilled players out there, we haven't seen a whole lot of them actively attempting levels like Avernus or Silent Clubstep. Eventually, players will beat them, but probably not for now. Not to mention that we have a lot of upcoming top 1s in the future, like Ascension to Heaven , that are in progress of being made and will eventually push the skill cap further. Until we see players that reach the skill of Zoink maybe, it might just continue like this. (I'll edit this comment if I get anything wrong or change opinions).

I haven't played GD passionately for over half a decade but seeing Flamewall is just so hype (beat saber player camellia moment), and seeing a level actually be named the same as its song is refreshing. Would have a fit if some generic name was used instead, camellia songs don't deserve to have their names glossed over in maps in games

Good vid this channel is actually so underrated

I feel like spaceuk hacking slaughterhouse no joke increase the skillcap because people before didnt think it was possible but when he "beat it" it "proved" it was a possible achievement and other started going for it which led to a bit more progression in the skill cap

Imagine if you combine all the top 10 challenges in one level...

Wait till 2.2 came, i cannot even imagine what monstruosity will be the top 1 in that update

The skill cap will end when a level of VSC difficulty is an extreme demon (literal perfect timings)

Just wait until 2.2 is out in October. A lot will be added and the skill limit will be nowhere in sight

2.2 will launch Oktober so there will be a whole new mode.

Well, with 2.2 nearing I think we'll see an even bigger spike in skill because of the new game modes and the new levels that could be made. So many new possibilites, and the skill limit is definetly not going to stop rising soon.

When silent clubstep was beaten that's when i finally decided that i cant predict when the skill ceiling will stop increasing and honestly. I think it will continue to slow down but it will never top out before the game reaches the end of its life cycle imo.

i've never really thought about the fact that the frequency of longer top 10s has recently dropped. being a flamewall supporter myself, i think it has more potential because of this

The difficulty can be scaled so much higher, tbh. It's just probably going to resemble impossible levels. Minus waves, more jump rings in ship parts, and frame perfect double and even triple clicks. A single frame perfect on 60fps is hard. Imagine having to make one twice on the same frame, with your non dominant hand.

im honestly excited to see a new meta with top 1s and 10s.

Also on the point about 2 player levels on the impossible levels list, it's not actually that they took over just because, it's actually an artifact of that list's rules which allows 2 player levels to have double the maximum CPS of one player levels.

every time someone asks this question i remember ppl also debating this when the rgb was the top 3

I like how the level you show when talking about platformer mode is just not a platformer level lmao

do you reckon the fact that we now have a release date for 2.2 has caused the levels beaten on the demonlist to slow down?

Im so excited for 2.2!

Skill limit is defined by imagination in this game. As long as a player is able to create a harder(or longer) level than those which currently exists, skill limit will be far out of reach. In short, as long as someone is determined to make a harder level than those we have now, skill limit is nonexistent.

If we ever get higher than 360 refresh rate then maybe that'll also help boost future difficulty

I don’t think it will ever, as long as we got this dedicated community to just keep pushing and pushing, we’ll always reach higher limits with time

It's crazy to imagine how different gd documentaries would be if slaughterhose never changed the song you had to replace

The xenoblade music when talking about frame perfects

can’t wait for floating outskirts to come out

I don’t think this game will reach its skill limit until there is a full level that includes the VSC wave

good think I'm already hoping onto the meta before it starts with an 8 minute level. Its not list difficulty but rather insane demon but could make list somehow.

i know for a fact that im gonna miss this premiere edit: frickin called it

I think at least part of the reason for the decreased amount of condensed difficulty is that people are getting tired of it. We've had so many levels like that and people want something new.

The thing, most "Top 1s" nowadays are just the same difficulty as the last just longer, look at levels like Every End and Flamewall

Um 2.2 we get the random trigger. Idk much about it or what its limits are, but if i wanted to make a top 1, id build a a ton of top 1 level layouts, give them each a group and randomize it, so every attempt you are pretty much playing a new level. That would force you to practice every possible variant and that seems impossible

1:22 "Also relies on length for difficulty" I do understand what you mean by that, but I think it could've been worth mentioning the whole memory aspect as well.

yata's gonna fall into legacy NOOOO

yo man for the platformer mode gameplay that wasnt platformer mode that was just using the 2.2 reverse trigger to change your players direction.

I think "GD Skill" has changed its standards over the years. I think GD Skills were focused on "speedrunning" years ago. Grinding stars/demons faster meant better at game. Nowadays, it has become an area of click patterns, so it's theoretically possible to beat any top demon by using millions of attempts. As mentioned in the video, it is likely to turn into the area of "endurance" in the future.

now just imagine a level as long as return0, with two players like codependence, that has individual gameplay parts harder than that of tidal wave. this game is gonna be insane

one more demon list level and yatagarasu will be thrown of the list even though it was 108th in january 1st 2023. we will miss yata

i also feel like memory demons are kind of sparse and are much needed to keep the demon list fresh

we are probably gonna look back at this video in 7 years with nostalgia after slaughterhouse is in the legacy list

Back on 2017 i tough yatagarasu a nd sonic wave where the human limit, now they are about to fall to legacy

Sid125 beat The Golden Is Dead, this is probably the hardest achievement in gd, SW Is Dead was around top 10 when it was verified

There's already an easier solo two player extreme called Saikyo Stronger by hydraflare, and it's crazy cool and shows how cool these levels can be.

"But with 2.2 releasing just in a matter of weeks" - OneAlphaHelix, 2 month ago

I doubt there will be a limit because right now the top players are beating levels like a ball game so it’s probably gonna keep going. Especially a top 1 demon that will be coming out Grief is on the near impossibility and also Top 1 difficulty, and also Tidal Wave almost being verified soon like the skill gap will keep going for awhile

Bloodlust was once the ultimate level. Now it's just another list demon. I truly don't know what to think as far as a skill ceiling goes in this game

4:30 He used driftveil city just before toothless 😅

We dont need difficulty, as long as it looks good, at some point top demons will be rated by deco because the skill ceiling would have been reached.

I was suspecting the top levels difficulty would stay mostly same but the duration would get longer. Then Every End Showcase Was Posted

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I remember like 5 years ago people were saying the same thing there is no true skill limit if top players want to put in the hours

I think in some future the 360 hz monitors will incremet the skill cap or even the 500 hz monitors.

Earliest ive been to a OneAlphaFelix video

To quote Rek3dge in his description of the infamous level, DeCode: “If I make it longer, I make it harder. And we don’t want that”

I personally I think there should be another demon list for 2 player levels the dose not mean they wouldn’t be able to get on the normal list but the 2 player demon list would be for 2 player levels that were verified with 2 players but it would have it very own ranking on the normal demon list but ONLY if someone managed to do it alone

I would say that even the skill ceiling of normal sized level is not even near. I mean you could still just take something like VSC (with more diverse gameplay maybe haha) and make it a minute long and it would be a new top one

I have a question: can you not submit a record on the demonlist for codependence when playing with 2 players?

7:15 thats because most people believe 1p cant be harder than 2p but they were wrong

I think the Technical skill ceiling is about to be hit, but the visionary skill (vision, ability to see at speed or at low light levels) is just growing

5:09 while the skillcap may be drawing near we nowhere close to the mindcap 💯💯💯

If 60hz and 144 hz will feel the same in 2.2, wouldnt it break some levels? Some might be unplayable after the update if yes

What if someone makes a full level as hard as vsc and verifies it over a few years 😳

the level has to be fun as well

There’s going to be 2.2 soon. In 2.2 there’s going to be more game modes and other features so I bet there will be way harder levels

1 minute levels already feel like a lifetime bro

imagine if 2 of the best players came together and beat acheron twice at once in two player

5:17 If lower refresh rates are getting boosted to 240hz, are higher refresh rates getting lowered to 240hz? If they are, that could mean that we hit a "speed bump" in the skill cap, as 360hz effectively doesn’t exist at that point. I do think that people will eventually raise the skill cap if this happens though, it would just take a long time.

You used the spaceuk footage when talking about slaughterhouse being verified 🥲

My prediction for the future of difficulty is that people will stop caring about beating a level without dying once. Its technically possible for a human to beat cyclolcyc, but its so incredibly hard that it would take too much effort, likely millions of attempts. People are just going to no clip accuracy a level, and that's how the demonlist might work. The victors of a demon might be ranked on their accuracy, with 1st place having 99.4%, 2nd place having 98.8%, etc. This way, people can still mostly beat demons, but it will take far less attempts to get an impressive' run, as you dont have to be perfect. I'm no expert, but other rhythm games dont require you to be 100% perfect. If gd was more like Osu, and small errors didn't matter, I think that would open up completing top demons to so many more people. Just a thought.

We definitely haven't reached the skill limit yet, I just think we are in another tartarus phase where 1 level is at the top for a while and sometime in the future we will get more frequent hard levels aided by all the new 2.2 features.

Could you do a video on orochi?

cant wait for someone to make 8 hour bloodbath

i never really believed in a skill ceiling in GD since every player, regardless of skill chooses which demons to play and regardless of difficulty, they WILL eventually beat it. the only skill involved in a geometry dash level is just practice and memorizing the click patterns, anything after that is just muscle memory. muscle memory is built upon practice, not skill

I haven't played in a couple years so is tartarus still considered top 10?

As long as a level is humanly possible and refresh rates and less input delay gear comes out, if someone has the patience I can see someone beating a super hard top 1 with 2Mil attempts.