Is God A Moral Monster? | Decoding the Bible

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In this video, Paul Copan gives an overview of the various difficult topics in the Old Testament that many people wrestle with & also unpacks some of the tools one can't bring to the text to help them navigate these challenging Bible passages.
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@keepthechange2811
@keepthechange2811 10 ай бұрын
God was showing us the weight of sacrificing a beloved son. And then He sacrificed his own beloved in Jesus without requiring it from us. His love is perfect and i cant wait to go home.
@sentientflower7891
@sentientflower7891 10 ай бұрын
God sacrificed his own son. Was God trapped into that outcome?
@keepthechange2811
@keepthechange2811 10 ай бұрын
@@sentientflower7891 God became a perfect man in order to clear us of our sins (broken commandments) and reconcile us to himself that we would have eternal life(original plan) And also to once and for all finish the sacrificial system. This was out of love. He didn't need to do it. We needed it done. You've got no basis for moral superiority over God or Jesus Christ. You've got no idea what's gonna happen when you die. But you like the idea of "sentient flowers"
@keepthechange2811
@keepthechange2811 10 ай бұрын
@@sentientflower7891 I ask. What would it take for you to believe???. All that's required for eternal bliss is that you believe God over everything else.
@sentientflower7891
@sentientflower7891 10 ай бұрын
@@keepthechange2811 if you are believing in the hope of receiving a gift in response you aren't believing you are selling.
@sentientflower7891
@sentientflower7891 10 ай бұрын
@@keepthechange2811 okay, I am just wondering how God found himself in the predicament in which he "had" to torture and crucify his son, knew in advance that it would happen and didn't do a single thing to avoid that outcome? Also, why did God kill the children of Bethlehem? Those deaths didn't save anyone and therefore weren't needed at all.
@jeanne89
@jeanne89 5 ай бұрын
“If you rightly understand yourself and your human nature, and you rightly understand the character and nature of God - and you need both of those pieces, because one requires humility and one requires acceptance-if you have both of those pieces in place, you will be so excited by who God is and what God has done for us.” “If you don’t want Christianity to be true, you don’t rightly understand it.” Very good!😊
@nia5169
@nia5169 10 ай бұрын
This was truly enlightening. Thank you, Paul copan and thank you Brandon
@unpopularopinions9076
@unpopularopinions9076 10 ай бұрын
Blessings and thanks to you Dr. Copan! I wrote a paper on your book, “Is God a Moral Monster”, back in college 10 years ago! Thank you for helping teach me how to think ♥️
@Bill_Garthright
@Bill_Garthright 10 ай бұрын
_Thank you for helping teach me how to think_ And how was that? Are you saying you hadn't been _raised_ Christian? Or did he just comfort you in your existing beliefs? Maybe he taught you to become evidence-based, not faith-based? After all, there is nothing - literally _nothing_ - so silly, so harmful, or so wrong that it _can't_ be defended by an appeal to faith. Meanwhile, evidence is how we distinguish reality from delusion and wishful-thinking. Yeah, probably not, huh? :) So I'm really curious how you meant that. How _are_ you supposed to think, according to Dr. Copan? He was raised Christian himself. He _started_ with his belief in his particular god. Does he have *one piece of good evidence* that his god is actually _real?_ Or are we just supposed to believe Christians - well, his particular brand of Christian, anyway - instead of Muslims, Hindus, Mormons, and all of those other faith-based people who are just as confident - and just as lacking in good evidence, as far as I can see - in their claims which _contradict_ Christianity? Did he teach you to become evidence-based, or just to continue believing whatever you _wanted_ to be true?
@lionsonthepath
@lionsonthepath 2 ай бұрын
@@Bill_Garthright who taught you to worship self and science? Faith in God is something we’re drawn to. Just as you can’t have proof that a spouse, child or parent loves you, we can never have proof that God loves us. In my case, I had turned away from Christianity for 20 years. In my lowest time, God transformed me. He told me to go out and study as many religions, spiritualities, and philosophies as I could. I was certain I was going to make my own, personal religion. But all roads led back to Christ. His unconditional love and sacrifice beckoned to me in a profound way that I couldn’t ignore.
@Bill_Garthright
@Bill_Garthright 2 ай бұрын
@@lionsonthepath _"who taught you to worship self and science?"_ Who taught _you_ to lie? You don't even _know_ me, but you decided you'd lie about me anyway, huh? Did someone have to teach you that, or did you learn to lie all on your own? _"Faith in God is something we’re drawn to."_ Not me. And even theists aren't drawn to _your_ god, necessarily. Typically, you guys are "drawn to" whichever god or gods you were taught to believe as children. _"Just as you can’t have proof that a spouse, child or parent loves you, we can never have proof that God loves us."_ I didn't ask for proof. I asked for *evidence.* And I feel very, very sorry for you if you have no evidence that someone else loves you - someone _real,_ I mean, not just an imaginary friend. _"In my case, I had turned away from Christianity for 20 years."_ OK, so you were _raised_ Christian. And so, like faith-based people worldwide, you grew up to believe in the religion you were raised to believe. That's _normal._ That's almost always how it works. Obviously, converts _do_ exist - in _every_ direction. They're just a relatively small minority. If you believe in a religion at all as an adult, it's very, very likely to be the religion you were taught to believe as a child, _whichever_ religion that was. _"His unconditional love and sacrifice beckoned to me in a profound way that I couldn’t ignore."_ OK, so you like the stories you were taught to believe as a child. I get that. I hear the exact same thing from Muslims. But I'll ask you the same thing I ask them: Are those stories _true?_ Do you have *one piece of good evidence,* specific enough and in enough detail that I can judge it for myself, that those stories are actually _true?_ I appreciate the reply, but do you have anything - *anything* - distinguishable from wishful-thinking backing up your religious beliefs? If so, how about *one* specific example?
@stevendouglas3781
@stevendouglas3781 10 ай бұрын
It’s bizarre that people forget that the whole point was that God didn’t want Isaac to be sacrificed, and that the Canaanites were irredeemably evil.
@jjphank
@jjphank 10 ай бұрын
God wants all men to be saved first Timothy 2:4, second peter 3:9! God, predestines groups or plurals only, never individuals. Ephesians 1 -2 points: “ us and we” are pre-destined never “you and I“! And 11 times in 11 verses from 3-14 you have to remain “in Christ“ (in him, in whom) to be predestined! Romans 9:1-3 Paul is talking about the nation of Israel, all the way to the end of chapter 11 ! So, “Jacob, I loved, Esau I hated“ is genesis 25:23 “there are two nations in your womb“! It’s talking about ‘Nations,’ not individuals in the whole context of those three chapters! Stop taking it out of context, along with Ephesians 1! Of course, we have the story of Jacob and Esau and how Esau despised his birthright ! So God truly does love all people, he truly did make hell for the devil and his angels just as Matthew 25:41 says ! Even the 42 youths, mauled by the 2 bears, was because they mocked Elijah‘s rapture, a.k.a. the resurrection , they were saying “go on up Baldy “ ; and ALL their prophets just recently Were killed by Elijah and they should’ve known to stop worshiping Baal! Bethel was the headquarters of Baal worship, where this took place! 490 priests got killed by Elijah, There was no Priests around,; should’ve been a gigantic clue. So God never arbitrarily and haphazardly deals with any human being ! His love cannot be measured says Romans 8! But if you’re a Calvinist, it’s “his love cannot be measured , (Wink, wink)“! Come out of the false belief system of Calvinism ! Now you have no excuse because you cannot out argue this, let’s hear you try! Read Matthew 25 the parable of the Calvinists, a.k.a. talents ! Where the guy buried his talent calling God,- somebody who doesn’t judge rightly & he was thrown into hell as a result! He had the wrong view of God, & So Will a Calvinist, they’ll have a callous view of God & The love of Christs sacrificial death on the cross!
@stevendouglas3781
@stevendouglas3781 10 ай бұрын
@@jjphank dude, I’m not responding to all that. Has nothing to do with what I commented. Best wishes.
@sentientflower7891
@sentientflower7891 10 ай бұрын
God lied to Abraham? The Canaanites were irredeemably evil? I can see why Christians could justify the Holocaust by your reasoning.
@jjphank
@jjphank 10 ай бұрын
@@stevendouglas3781 it’s all about free will that’s why the Canaanites were evil, so what’s your point? That God made them evil? Nothing could be further from the truth.
@jjphank
@jjphank 10 ай бұрын
@@sentientflower7891 you’re taking the Bible out of context, therefore, God will take your name out of the context of the biblical book of life! that means you’re going to hell unless you repent!
@user-id1vu9kb7t
@user-id1vu9kb7t 10 ай бұрын
"Why is there so much skepticism and resistance to the biblical God but so much openness and curiosity to the general spiritual?" Such a great question. This is something I think about a lot and something that irritates me more than it probably should.
@brunocarneiro9688
@brunocarneiro9688 10 ай бұрын
Because the God of the Bible has rules. People wanna feel good about themselfs but don't want to make hard sacrifices. The nee spirituality lets you Hook up with anyone you want. Take the drugs you want. And you Will still feel like you are a good person.
@SmartAss4123
@SmartAss4123 10 ай бұрын
@@brunocarneiro9688 If I wanted to do bad stuff I would be a christian because you can literally do murder and get way with it in the afterlife if you believe and repent. Without that I accept responsibility and duty we have to each other. Like a normal person should
@brunocarneiro9688
@brunocarneiro9688 10 ай бұрын
@@SmartAss4123 that makes no Sense. I don't understand how so many people think that this is the way christianity works. If you kill someone expecting that you Will go to heaven because God Will forgive you, you are mistaken. You have to truly regret what you have done. If you kill because you expect to BE saved, than it means you never had the intention of being a good person. Kinda like someone that ONLY regrets a crime when they get caught. That means nothing. Btw, i am not a Christian, but i have been researching religions this past year, and christianity seems to me to BE the One that i think could BE true.
@SmartAss4123
@SmartAss4123 10 ай бұрын
@@brunocarneiro9688 You just literally exemplified my comment. I said "if you believe and repent" In the very first paragraph. Wether or not they expect to be saved because it's in the bible. Unless you're god and you're able to read mens hearts like god apparently. Then have at it.
@brunocarneiro9688
@brunocarneiro9688 10 ай бұрын
@@SmartAss4123 then you understand. All of US have done bad things, but doesnt mean we deserve to BE in hell for all eternity. God Will forgive you if you truly see and own your mistakes. To me it seems the best God to have. Like a father that doesnt Turn his back on a Son because of his mistakes. As long as he sees that the Son is learning and becoming a better person.
@joshua2707
@joshua2707 10 ай бұрын
This is awesome Brandon, I'm very impressed you got Paul Copan to sit with you for an in-person interview! You're moving on up!
@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom
@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom 10 ай бұрын
Haha! Yes, Dr. Copan is the man!
@Psalm91ArmorUp
@Psalm91ArmorUp 10 ай бұрын
@@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdommy prayers for you to continue this necessary enlightening process for those who do not have Christ in their hearts.
@ricardochiesa9829
@ricardochiesa9829 10 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for what you do. I've already accepted Christ in my life, but I think it's spiritually healthy to have hunger of knowledge of the word, precisely in order to reach others who are skeptics due to this what about-isms as you mention. Can't wait for more! ✝️🙏🤍
@serolf.h
@serolf.h 10 ай бұрын
Awesome timing! I'm currently reading his book!!! So excited to listen to you guys
@tabs91
@tabs91 10 ай бұрын
I finished this book of his just yesterday! Loved it
@DomskiOKKK
@DomskiOKKK 7 ай бұрын
I’m currently reading this.
@divine_moments_shorts
@divine_moments_shorts 8 ай бұрын
Appreciate the deep insights you bring to the Word of God. It's truly enlightening.
@bullfitnessbahamas
@bullfitnessbahamas 8 ай бұрын
It AMAZES me how some humans stand on this moral highground of how can God do this, how can God fo that...who do we think we are??...God CREATED any good thing that is in us!...and we think we can judge him??...he's the one who judges us!...also scripture CLEARLY states that HIS ways are not OUR ways!...there's many things we don't understand...I thank him daily that I don't have this kind of heart to question things I don't understand in scripture and to judge the morality of the one who GAVE us morality! 31:50
@Roc-Righteous
@Roc-Righteous 8 ай бұрын
Well said, atheists talk BS about God being a criminal, murderer etc, but look at our world today- look who's doing the killing?
@wendypratt6837
@wendypratt6837 10 ай бұрын
So looking forward to each episode of this series!
@michaelbabbitt3837
@michaelbabbitt3837 10 ай бұрын
Yes, it is a much-needed conversation. It is important to always research in good faith and charitably. This is in contrast to researching in a hypercritical/skeptical mindset where you look for the worst interpretation.
@Paul_Copan
@Paul_Copan 10 ай бұрын
Oh so true, Michael. They often operate in sound and slogans but aren't serious about looking into contextual, historical, and philosophical matters that are important for understanding these passages rightly.
@Bill_Garthright
@Bill_Garthright 10 ай бұрын
Right. You can't be skeptical when you do "research." You have to always find what you really, really _want_ to be true (almost always because that's what you were taught to believe as a child), huh?
@sentientflower7891
@sentientflower7891 10 ай бұрын
@@Paul_Copan so is God allowed to command genocide or not?
@samuelguzman5348
@samuelguzman5348 10 ай бұрын
​@@sentientflower7891God could kill all of us and still be righteous, for he alone is HOLY. Good thing he does love man the creature and thus provided a way for him to escape his wrath against them that are evil, and are hell deserving sinners.
@Paul_Copan
@Paul_Copan 10 ай бұрын
@@sentientflower7891 As we argue in our book (Dud God Really Command Genocide? {spoiler alert: “No”}, God will not command what is intrinsically evil.
@FISHResurrection
@FISHResurrection 10 ай бұрын
This is your best video so far brother.... What a blessing Keep doing what you are doing.. The Law is still good. Matthew 5:17-19
@Balcamion79
@Balcamion79 10 ай бұрын
I appreciate these talks where they engage with the challenges rather than discounting their impact. The episode of @apologeticsroadshow, where he breaks down the story of Abraham and Isaac, is the most impacted rendering I've ever heard.
@reesehoover9963
@reesehoover9963 10 ай бұрын
This is wild I was just talking about this idea with some of my friends today. It’s so difficult to understand the ethics in the Bible in instances like Abraham being told to sacrifice his son Isaac, but I found that God will never ask you to follow through on something that is contradictory to Gods character. It may be hard to believe but God will never tell you to do something that violates Gods own character
@danielwallace8015
@danielwallace8015 10 ай бұрын
Never follow through... just put you through the psychological torture first. Sounds like a loving God, where do I sign up?
@sid5734
@sid5734 10 ай бұрын
@danielwallace8015 read bible and ask for guidance of holy spirit. 🙏
@Bill_Garthright
@Bill_Garthright 10 ай бұрын
I'm always astonished at how faith-based people can rationalize away whatever they _want_ to rationalize away, even obviously evil stuff like Abraham and Isaac, Job, Jephthah, a worldwide flood, the treatment of Adam and Eve, etc. Of course, if you'd been raised Muslim, you'd rationalize away _different_ stuff, huh? If you'd been raised Hindu, or Mormon, or anything else, you'd have different things to rationalize away. But hey, that's the whole _point_ of religious faith, isn't it? The whole point is to believe whatever you _want_ to be true? But would _you_ tie up your child, place them on an altar, and raise a knife to sacrifice them, if a voice in your head told you to do that? If no angel came to stop you, what then? Would you go ahead and kill your child? And what would that do to your child even if you _didn't_ go through with it? What would that have done to _you_ if your father had done that? Christians are rarely as evil as their magic book, but you can sure rationalize away evil stuff, can't you? You just have to _want_ to rationalize it away. Well, I suppose that's why faith-based thinking is destroying my country and my world.
@danielwallace8015
@danielwallace8015 10 ай бұрын
@sid5734 I've done that... next suggestion?
@Skylerrelyks93
@Skylerrelyks93 10 ай бұрын
@@danielwallace8015do so again but humbly and expectant
@rachelhayhurst-mason7846
@rachelhayhurst-mason7846 10 ай бұрын
Thank you both for a really uplifting interview! Looking forward to the next one! 😃 God bless you both 🤗
@moriahw3947
@moriahw3947 9 ай бұрын
I don’t know if you’re done filming the series or whatever, but if you’re open to discussing specific points with Copan, could you guys maybe talk about the times in the Bible when God made Israelites inflict horrific punishments on each other? I’m a Christian but that’s one of my biggest stumbling blocks in trusting the goodness of God…in any other context, we’d say telling a group of people gather round and smash someone to death with rocks because they were picking up sticks to start a fire is straight out of one of the Saw movies, but it was actually a command from God. There are a few other similar instances like this that really hold me back. I’d love some clarity here. Thank you for what you’re doing 🙏🏻
@victorwest8041
@victorwest8041 7 ай бұрын
It's all made-up bullshit.....wise up
@christophertaylor9100
@christophertaylor9100 12 күн бұрын
Almost always our reaction to that reflects a pretty low view of sin and excessively high view of the value of humans in God's moral economy.
@jdcamc
@jdcamc 9 ай бұрын
Looking forward to the other discussions with Paul! Thank you for sharing!!
@BrianWright-mi3lc
@BrianWright-mi3lc 10 ай бұрын
Appreciate this, Brandon and Paul. Thank you!
@ggpt9641
@ggpt9641 10 ай бұрын
Thanks to God for the start of this series. Looking forward to what will be spoke and already has been, like the slavery issue in this video.
@JJ_Hernandez
@JJ_Hernandez 10 ай бұрын
Hey man, happy to see you doing some podcast style videos. I appreciate the work you do!
@midimusicforever
@midimusicforever 10 ай бұрын
God is good!
@The_Other_Ghost
@The_Other_Ghost 6 ай бұрын
I bet you didn't have to stone your wife for not being a virgin.
@reinhardtguldenpfennig6744
@reinhardtguldenpfennig6744 10 ай бұрын
I do feel you touched on an important point, that people do not want Christianity to be true. I think that is a massive part of how they approach and read the Old Testament. They do not want to or do not care to approach the O.T. in a way where they want to understand it. They would rather see the "buzz words" like slave and utterly destroy and just run with that as a proof against Christianity. The challenge then comes to get those people who have this preconceived idea against Christianity and the Bible to understand or to be more charitable in their understanding of the text, which i have found to be close to impossible once they made up their minds. But Dr Copan's books might be an amazing resource to give/recommend to actual seeker/skeptics. Thanks for this video and series! Looking forward to the rest of it. God bless you and Dr Copan in this endeavour!
@jaflenbond7854
@jaflenbond7854 10 ай бұрын
Among thousands of Gods, who is the True and Sovereign God? ANSWER - The Creator is the One who should be honored and respected as the True and Sovereign God as written in Matthew 22: 37 and John 17: 3 Are Atheists and Religions worshippers of the Creator? ANSWER - No, All Atheists, Christians, and all Religions don't respect and obey the Creator's Sovereignty, will, and commandments, and are even mocking and degrading the Creator as worthless, useless, and undeserving to be honored and respected as the True and Sovereign God in their deliberate opposition and defiance of what were written in Matthew 22: 37 and John 17: 3 Who are the worshippers of the Creator on earth? ANSWER - All persons on earth who submit to the authority of Jesus Christ and believe his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" in obedience to what were written in Matthew 28: 18, Luke 4: 43, and John 11: 25, 26 are clearly the loving, kind, and respectful worshippers of the Creator on earth who can be trusted with anything and are worthy and deserving of the loving, kind, and merciful Creator's favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death on a safe and peaceful earth without traitors, perverts, murderers, the immoral, and liars both in words and deeds as written in Revelation 21: 3. 4, 8 How will worshippers of the Creator live and exist on earth forever if they just become worthless and useless dusts on earth after their deaths? ANSWER - All human beings have no immortal souls and just become worthless and useless dusts on earth after their deaths just like the animals as written in Ecclesiastes 3: 19, 20 and 9: 5, 6 but loving, kind, and respectful worshippers of the Creator who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, Jesus Christ's disciples and followers, and many others will not remain as worthless and useless dusts on earth forever, instead, in the Creator's own right time and as written in John 11: 25, 26 Jesus Christ will RESURRECT them back to life so they can all happily and abundantly live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD" and fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, goodness, compassions, generosities, favors, and blessings of the Creator and his Christ for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.
@BScott7220
@BScott7220 10 ай бұрын
11:27 OK, the titles are kinda funny just blurted out like that. On a more serious note, as an atheist-agnostic, this is one of the best Christian-themed YT channels I've seen.
@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom
@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom 10 ай бұрын
I appreciate that brother! And thanks for tuning in!
@BoluzB2
@BoluzB2 10 ай бұрын
Amazing! More please!
@followerofchrist6694
@followerofchrist6694 10 ай бұрын
I went from atheist to believer in a split second when Christ Jesus revealed himself to me. Looking back on my own behavior and seeing other atheists who argue with me, I am convinced that atheism is a fit of solipsism. People want to be their own god and make things their own way. If not solipsism, then dishonest paganism. My own mother says she is an atheist but believes in “Mother Nature” and “goodness”. That is idolatry and pagan, making your own god.
@joestfrancois
@joestfrancois 10 ай бұрын
wrote " making your own god." Everyone makes their own god. Do you permit women to speak in your church? Do you wear your hair long? Do you pray for elected men in power? Your Bible talks about these things and if you don't do them you have created your own god.
@Peter-wl3tm
@Peter-wl3tm 10 ай бұрын
@joestfrancois “Do you permit women to speak in your church? Do you wear your hair long? Do you pray for elected men in power? Your Bible talks about these things and if you don't do them you have created your own god.” How does not doing those things mean you have made your own god? Moreover, before pulling different verses from their context, make sure you know the context. Imagine telling the police that a particular bystander punched another guy on the bus, however, someone comes and says, yes this bystander punched the other guy, but he punched him because he was trying to rob the old lady on the bus. You see how much context make a difference, one person gave a report without context and it made the bystander, that threw the punch, look like aggressive thug. The other person said the same exact thing, the bystander threw a punch; however, that particular person gave the contexts that punch restaurant in order to stop a robbery. You see how contacts actually sheds light or in the particular thing being discussed and without context, you can really screw up what is being said
@joestfrancois
@joestfrancois 10 ай бұрын
@@Peter-wl3tm wrote "How does not doing those things mean you have made your own god? Moreover, before pulling different verses from their context," You hear christians say all the time, "Oh, it is in there, but I don't follow that." They pick and choose what they want to believe. Those verses are some of the first one's 21st century christians throw away, they are not random. When you do that, throw away stuff, you have edited christianity, and it reflects you, not what is written in your Bible. So think a little now. if Jesus, or Paul, who can be argued as having contributed more to christianity than Jesus, but if either showed up in your church, would they be happy? Would they think you were followers of Jesus Christ? Jesus seems like a good enough dude in your Bible, but Paul, geez, what would your church do if he went off on a woman that spoke in your church? And if you are not going to a church, not a member, your bible says not to forsake the gathering of the brethren, so you are editing christianity there too. Dude, every theist makes their own god.
@michaelbrickley2443
@michaelbrickley2443 7 ай бұрын
The atheist/skeptic needs to understand we will get rewarded for sharing the Truth but it is not a seeking for self desire but, rather, a desire to see people set free in Christ. True shalom comes thru Jesus within, amen
@dentonhahn2907
@dentonhahn2907 10 ай бұрын
Well now I have to go get Paul's book.😄
@daverogg8701
@daverogg8701 10 ай бұрын
Ohmygoodness, I’m reading Paul Copan’s book presently. This is terrific that you’re talking with him!!!!
@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom
@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom 10 ай бұрын
That’s so great!
@Paul_Copan
@Paul_Copan 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for joining us! Glad you're reading my book!
@joestfrancois
@joestfrancois 10 ай бұрын
@@Paul_Copan How do you account for the verses in your bible that describe explicitly how to beat a slave? How do you explain that your Bible doesn't say what it says? 20 “If a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod and he dies [a]at his hand, he shall [b]be punished. 21 If, however, he [c]survives a day or two, no vengeance shall be taken; for he is his [d]property.
@tabs91
@tabs91 10 ай бұрын
​@joestfrancois I just finished his book yesterday, and it does go into detail regarding those verses, especially in chapters 12 and 13 on pages 130, 131, 135, and 136.
@sentientflower7891
@sentientflower7891 10 ай бұрын
@@tabs91 four pages needed to explain away the inherent cruelty of God! I prefer Gods that don't require apologetics.
@Big-Red-Cat
@Big-Red-Cat 10 ай бұрын
Looking forward to this series. Great idea
@Practical.Wisdom
@Practical.Wisdom 10 ай бұрын
I really love the Prelude in E Minor (Op. 28 No. 4) by Chopin played on the harp in the intro!
@sirsleepy2472
@sirsleepy2472 10 ай бұрын
I love the content and I bought Paul’s book can’t wait to hear more. 👍🏽
@MuhWasFalsePrpht
@MuhWasFalsePrpht 10 ай бұрын
You did it again Brandon! Another great video! ✝️🙏
@oliverjamito9902
@oliverjamito9902 10 ай бұрын
Love God of life for the living as a Child with Thy sincere conversations longing to LEARN. Remember do not murder my innocents little Minds God's glory! Which ye all came from 1st. What is old minds? Love you beloved and my pop without shame but with boldness! Sincere conversations =sincere answers
@buddyforbes7157
@buddyforbes7157 3 ай бұрын
A loving relationship is voluntary that is why God cannot force himself on all of us. Thank God the Patriarchs responded and now we have knowledge of God and how He lives us. Regarding your doubts on how this knowledge has been preserved all this time, you'll be happy to know that most scholars agree that the words of the Bible have been preserved quite well.
@JesseDriftwood
@JesseDriftwood 10 ай бұрын
“Why is there so much skepticism for the biblical God, but so much openness to the spiritual?” So many ways we can tackle this question. For the non-believer, the Christian God is just one potential option under the supernatural/spiritual umbrella. So they could easily say “Allah in the Quaran doesn’t seem real, but I still feel like there’s something bigger than me going on”. This is how a lot of people think, even if they leave Christianity they don’t feel like they’re leaving god, and they go on to form other supernatural beliefs. You started by talking about atheists that just didn’t want this to be true (a weird position I’ve never really understood, or encountered), and then shifted to people who want ouija boards to function. I don’t think these two people are the same.
@lyes.blanco
@lyes.blanco 10 ай бұрын
Yea Jesse. It is because you know, we want to continue to « sin ». And of course, we WILL NOT look at the evidence in front of us that screams for the biblical God, for example a banana 🍌 according to Ray Comfort. Because we are evil creatures, unaware of a God that condemns people for eating shellfish which he created. Ah, Deuteronomy. My favorite
@warren286
@warren286 10 ай бұрын
Atheists don't want God to be true bc once they do, they convict themselves of their sins.
@CrypticHowl
@CrypticHowl 10 ай бұрын
And it would take a massive hit to their pride and public persona they've built up.
@Bill_Garthright
@Bill_Garthright 10 ай бұрын
@@CrypticHowl Right. It's not that _you_ are so terrified of death that you need a fantasy to comfort you. It's not that _you_ just desperately want to believe the stories you were taught to believe as a baby. It's not that _you_ really, really want to go to magic Disneyland after you die. It's that we atheists don't _want_ your god to be real? Heh, heh. Well, tell yourself whatever you need to be comforted, since that's all you seem to care about. Imagine whatever you like about _me,_ since imagination is all you have, huh? I don't care. (But please, keep your sexual fantasies about all of my "sins" to yourself. Fantasize all you like. I just don't want to hear it.) But if you want _me_ to believe your religious claims, how about one - *one* - piece of good evidence that your god is real, rather than just imaginary? Just *one,* please, but specific enough and in enough detail that I can judge it for myself. Because evidence is how we distinguish reality from delusion and wishful-thinking. Yes, I suppose that _you_ maybe not care about distinguishing reality from delusion and wishful-thinking, but I _do._
@LandonMetochoi
@LandonMetochoi 10 ай бұрын
@@CrypticHowl @warren286 Wow. I’m really saddened to see the bias and bigotry in how you view us as atheists. We’re really just like you, mostly. We don’t believe because we don’t find the evidence compelling or credible, not because we’re prideful jerks, dude. Maybe take time to have conversations with us?
@CrypticHowl
@CrypticHowl 10 ай бұрын
@@LandonMetochoi I don't view all atheists like that, for me it's on a case by case basis.
@LandonMetochoi
@LandonMetochoi 10 ай бұрын
@@CrypticHowl Ok, I’ll take your word for that. Do you agree with what the OP said? That we don’t want god to be real bc we will be convicted of our sins?
@Practical.Wisdom
@Practical.Wisdom 10 ай бұрын
Excellent interview, thanks for sharing, Brandon!
@bengtal
@bengtal Ай бұрын
SO WELL SAID BROTHER. I fully agree with you that if people rightly understand who God and Jesus Christ are and what is suggested/promised, they would want God to be true and real more than ANYTHING ELSE in existence, because it would mean that God is the well of meaning for each of us, the author and finisher of our lives as they say, and the source of anything and everyone we have ever loved, and the only one who knows how to orchestrate the symphony of our lives, and provide the landscape for us to grow through that life, rather than be lost in a void and perish. Also, God would then be the one who maintains eternal structures and one who can bring us all together again, and see to it that we are reunited with him and everyone/thing dear to us. We could take it so far as to suggest that the very ground we walk on is a blessing from God. It is. All of our health, and the fact that we have ground to tread forward on, is a blessing. Of course I struggle with various interpretations of God's potential character myself, and also find myself averse to some of the descriptions going around between people, as well as written in the Bible. Still, more than anything, we are infinitely lucky and blessed beyond grasping, if we really are in the bosom of a loving and infinitely wise creator who never sleeps, etc... I love this vide, because I have no problem whatsoever believing God is very possible or even likely in some form despite my own doubts and blindness, but what I DO have a problem with and struggle with moreso is wondering about the nature of God and if he is really good in the way I think we all need. Anyway, I could ramble and I'm probably not even conveying the resonance and overlap of mutual concerns that I'm so excited to see discussed by you and other people. Great video and channel brother. I look forward to meeting you, in this life, or God-willing, in eternity 😉🙌
@8bit_misfit
@8bit_misfit 10 ай бұрын
Love the approach to this topic. Appreciate you and your team.
@MrNikkiNoo
@MrNikkiNoo 10 ай бұрын
Excited for this.
@Jair2435
@Jair2435 10 ай бұрын
Great video. Lot of stuff to think on
@Crafty.Veteran.Survival
@Crafty.Veteran.Survival 10 ай бұрын
Love this. Hope to see you have Frank Turek on for an interview some day too!
@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom
@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom 10 ай бұрын
Working on it! Would be epic!!
@Crafty.Veteran.Survival
@Crafty.Veteran.Survival 10 ай бұрын
@@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom 🙏
@onestepaway3232
@onestepaway3232 10 ай бұрын
rape in OT was death. The passage about marrying is when non married people are caught in the act and not married, consensual sex.
@mybelovedgoodnews
@mybelovedgoodnews 10 ай бұрын
Great show, looking forward to the next one.
@bobbyadkins6983
@bobbyadkins6983 10 ай бұрын
Is God was, there would be no hope for any of us. All of our abilities, every single one of them, are made possible by God. The ability to do anything good, to be able to think correctly or rationally in any way, is from God. Anything good about us is from God. We can't make a single right move without Him. Anything we do that is morally good is made possible only by God.
@vanessaor2760
@vanessaor2760 10 ай бұрын
Free will
@bobbyadkins6983
@bobbyadkins6983 10 ай бұрын
@@vanessaor2760 Made possible by God.
@DamePiglet
@DamePiglet 10 ай бұрын
🎉🎉🎉Awsome book!!! 🎉🎉🎉
@kingwater6596
@kingwater6596 10 ай бұрын
This was Great I learned alot Looking forward to more
@originalvybepromotions7269
@originalvybepromotions7269 9 ай бұрын
excited for this series!
@filippians413
@filippians413 9 ай бұрын
I may not always agree with or understand God's moral decisions when reading the Bible but I would rather trust His morals over my own or some other person's subjective morals. Without God, we just make up our own moral code as we see fit, and just look where that has gotten us.
@apocatastasisnet2815
@apocatastasisnet2815 9 ай бұрын
“Don’t you realize that you become the slave of whoever you choose to obey?” - (Romans 6:16) "Why do you not judge.. also for yourselves.. what is righteous?" - asked Jesus (Luke 12:57) "The Buddha once rebuked his most devoted disciple for wanting to introduce rules to govern the order.. saying: “`Ah! Kassapa, you are ever fond of the making of rules. But the mind of man is ever facile to evade rules unless the heart be willing to keep them, and then no rules need to be imposed, for a man will make them for himself. As people cease to live the true teaching, rules and precepts are made. But no rules or precepts can shape the lives of men and women.... They are counterfeit teaching. " “When one cultivates to the utmost the principles of his nature, and exercises them on the principle of reciprocity, he is not far from the path. What you do not like when done to yourself, do not do to others.” - taught Confucius "As a rule the individual is so unconscious that he altogether fails to see his own potentials for decision. Instead he is constantly and anxiously looking around for external rules and regulations which can guide him in his perplexity. Aside from general human inadequacy, a good deal of the blame for this rests with education, which promulgates the old generalisations and says nothing about the secrets of private experience. Thus, every effort is made to teach idealistic beliefs or conduct which people know in their hearts they can never live up to, and such ideals are preached by officials who know that they themselves have never lived up to these high standards and never will. What is more, nobody ever questions the value of this kind of teaching." - Carl Jung "Those who cannot think or take responsibility for themselves need, and clamour for, a leader." - added Hermann Hesse
@joestfrancois
@joestfrancois 10 ай бұрын
Thomas Paine liked Jesus. He said of the Old Testament: “Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we called it the word of a demon, than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness, that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind; and, for my part, I sincerely detest it, as I detest everything that is cruel.”
@aenigmatica8
@aenigmatica8 7 ай бұрын
This is so enlightening!
@kojoantwi9723
@kojoantwi9723 3 ай бұрын
Hey I will love to see you have a conversation with Voodie Baucham, I believe that will be a great conversation.
@colmortimer1066
@colmortimer1066 10 ай бұрын
One of the biggest most shocking things I read in the bible was in Numbers 15, where a guy was stoned for gathering sticks on the Sabbath...which is made worse by the fact that is the only commandment Christ kind of said was not all that important. A guy was killed in a very brutal way for doing something Christ rejected/changed. He even did work himself, healing people and allowed people to harvest grain on the Sabbath. That one bugged me as a believer, so I can see why atheists have issues with such things. I am looking forward to other episodes of this.
@honorablevessel
@honorablevessel 10 ай бұрын
In what way did Jesus ever say the sabbath wasn't that important? It's literally one of the Ten Commandments (ie, the Law). Jesus definitely said "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil" (Matthew 5:17). And He also said "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled" (Matthew 5:18). Finally, in 1st Corinthians 5:7 we learn that Christ IS our Passover. Remember that the lamb's blood over the door, which saved the Israelites from the angel of death, was a representation of the blood that Jesus would spill as the perfect and final sacrifice. Passover is the highest Christian holiday and has never lost any importance at all. It is also important to know that the man collecting sticks on the Sabbath was knowingly and blatantly in disobedience to the Law of God, which was already well established. God had warned the people that if they did not punish sinners amongst themselves, then everyone would suffer the punishment. The mindset of the man is what is of importance. Disobedience to God is never tolerated. When Jesus did healing on the Sabbath whe was doing God's work and did not have a heart filled with disobedience toward the Father.
@campaigningmc7812
@campaigningmc7812 10 ай бұрын
This verse occurs right after the law of presumptuous sin is established where. “…the person who does anything presumptuously, whether he is native-born or a stranger, that one brings reproach on the Lord, and he shall surely be cut off from among his people. Because he has despised the word of the Lord, and has broken His commandment, that person shall be completely cut off; his guilt shall be upon him.” Notice the word presumptuous, which, in the hebrew context, implies that the action is done with open disdain for God’s word and will. It is not just committing a sin, but doing it with the express purpose of rebellion against God. For this reason, they would be cut off from their people, and he would have to actually pay the price for his sin, for he separated himself from God through both sin and through his volition. The man who collected sticks on Sabbath may very well have been doing it presumptuously, for the entire congregation of Israel knew of the holiness of the Sabbath. May God bless you.
@campaigningmc7812
@campaigningmc7812 10 ай бұрын
Oh I forgot this, but, at the same time, this event happens only a couple of verses after the procedures for atonement of “unintentional sin”, are revealed to the people, which further supports this point.
@colmortimer1066
@colmortimer1066 10 ай бұрын
@@honorablevessel He said something to the effect not working of the sabbath was for us to have a day off not to deny ourselves, nor to be punished for. That's what I meant there...which absolutely nothing you said here actually countered. Don't get so triggered especially when we agree.
@georg7120
@georg7120 10 ай бұрын
​@@honorablevesselYou are quoting one of the gospels. Do you four gospels tell the same?
@jeslordischus-wealthkwarte2833
@jeslordischus-wealthkwarte2833 9 ай бұрын
This has been so helpful! So much light for the broader context that Dr. Paul Copan gives that I had not really considered. I'm so much blessed by these shared insights🤍
@mrhyde7600
@mrhyde7600 10 ай бұрын
4:10 The "what about" argument is valid if it's pointing out a contradiction. Your god is all loving? What about hell? Your God is just? What about one guy opening the ark of the covenant and tens of thousands of people dying? That's valid.
@JFskeezix
@JFskeezix 10 ай бұрын
Great conversation and topics. One thing I'd like to see in the next video is a change in the camera angles. Normally if you can see someone's eyes it feels like the viewer is part of the conversation. But this time it really felt he was only talking to you, because we couldn't see his eyes. Hopefully this is a useful tip. God bless you!
@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom
@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom 10 ай бұрын
Good idea!! The next few will look similar to this, but I’ll fix that for the future! 🙌❤️
@AirSync
@AirSync 10 ай бұрын
Because he was really only talking to him 😂 do u have a bit of ocd
@Peter-wl3tm
@Peter-wl3tm 10 ай бұрын
One objection that I seem to come across when it comes to slavery is, if God forbid murder specifically in the 10 commandments why didn’t He forbid slavery in that same way.
@Ejacunathan
@Ejacunathan 10 ай бұрын
Because if you read the bible, slavery was a mutually agreed contract between owner and owned. And there were ways for these people to regain their independence. Slavery was a choice and therefore justified. It's the same thing as people who work a corporate job. You sign a contract which limits your rights and abilities during the hours you are scheduled to work. That's the same thing as biblical slavery. Except the slave owner had the responsibility to take care of the slave.
@joestfrancois
@joestfrancois 10 ай бұрын
@@Ejacunathan wrote "Because if you read the bible, slavery was a mutually agreed contract between owner and owned." “If a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod and he dies [a]at his hand, he shall [b]be punished. 21 If, however, he [c]survives a day or two, no vengeance shall be taken; for he is his [d]property."
@JesseDriftwood
@JesseDriftwood 10 ай бұрын
@@EjacunathanThat’s a dodge. The real question is why wouldn’t God include a law that says “thou shall not own another human as property”? Particularly if this God is the source of objective morality, and opposes slavery.
@Jesusisking247
@Jesusisking247 10 ай бұрын
God is Holy Holy Holy, God is perfect, and good in all his ways, righteous anger is good. What you have to understand is we are all sinners and have sinned against a perfect God and we all deserve Hell. He created us we rebelled and then he came to earth when he didn't have to to save us. We are the problem not God, but he can save us through Jesus christ sacrifice when we accept it.
@velkyn1
@velkyn1 10 ай бұрын
typical sick cultists who need to be sycophants to an imaginary tyrant.
@charlesking9120
@charlesking9120 4 ай бұрын
When I was an atheist I rejected the Biblical God because I was at last a grown-up, making my own decisions and mistakes for which I had to pay. Becoming Christian meant going back to being a child, putting myself under the thumb of a new parent who demands my obedience or else. Why would I volunteer for such a thing? I'd have to be crazy. This is why other gods were always more appealing to me.
@EL0228
@EL0228 10 ай бұрын
Thanks a lot for doing this. Really appreciate it
@antonjoubert6980
@antonjoubert6980 10 ай бұрын
The point is, Abraham thought it perfectly normal and acceptable for god to demand human sacrifice. The only moral response to being asked to kill your child is "f-off!", and let's not pretend Christianity is not a cult of human sacrifice, it does, after all, celebrate one human sacrifice, as if it was successful...
@linusloth4145
@linusloth4145 10 ай бұрын
Tell this the abortion clinics and their advocates you bigot. It was not only a human but God himself that gave himself away to be killed by humans.
@willievanstraaten1960
@willievanstraaten1960 10 ай бұрын
26:38 “that God has good reasons for allowing history to play itself out and that he's he's achieving his purpose” And what would that good reason be?
@linusloth4145
@linusloth4145 10 ай бұрын
Creating free creatures to love and who have the freedom to love back
@willievanstraaten1960
@willievanstraaten1960 10 ай бұрын
@@linusloth4145 @linusloth4145, Linus Loth: "Creating free creatures to love and who have the freedom to love back" Fortunately, the Bible and the 6,000-year-old human and universe are mythical fiction. If not, all humans would be psychopathically jealous, murderers, killers, always angry, totally egocentric, and make silly and stupid laws because he created them in his image. Most humans are not like that so they were thankfully not created in his evil and cruel image.
@mrhyde7600
@mrhyde7600 10 ай бұрын
@@linusloth4145 that makes sense until you think about it. "Free to love", as if love is a choice? I didn't choose to love my girlfriend or chocolate ice cream or heavy metal music, yet here I am. I've tried forcing love out of my own free will in each of those categories and it's never worked. "Creating free creatures", free creatures that are free to do precisely as God wants us to under the threat of a mints punishment? Boy, that's some freedom! And he made everybody distinct and unique with different dispositions and different intelligence levels and free will which can only be characterized by doing something different which means other than what God wants? And we get punished for it? Oh boy! I'm glad God created free creatures! My sarcasm may have been over the top, but it is for making a point.
@linusloth4145
@linusloth4145 10 ай бұрын
@@mrhyde7600 So, you feel like a automaton externally controlled by genes and environment? Determined to do things you don't like? If God is just, He has to punish injustice and sin. If you obey out of fear of punishment you don't love God, you love yourself and want to avoid facing God and the discomfort of punishment. That's the point: Nobody lives a perfect life. Everybody deserves punishment. That is why God in Jesus showed his love for us on the cross, taking the punishment we deserve on himself. Paying the fine we would have to pay. If we accept the free gift of forgiveness from Jesus, we are made righteousness before God, as Jesus takes my punishment in exchange for His righteousness that I recieve. If I grasp the magnitude of His love for me that melts my heart. I want to follow and obey Jesus out of love and gratitude for what He did for me
@mrhyde7600
@mrhyde7600 10 ай бұрын
@@linusloth4145 Love isn't a choice. Neither is belief, but I doubt you'll ever actually address the specific issue I bring up - kinda like im having to remind you now that you said WORDS back to me but I don't count it as a RESPONSE since you didn't bother acknowledging anything I SAID. It's like we just take turns talking. But anyway, freedom to love doesn't make any sense if we can't specifically choose what we love. It's a meaningless empty phrase that you just threw out there apparently meaninglessly since it means nothing. Free creatures, pretty much same thing as the freedom to love… Sure, we are free creatures if you redefine what free means. I know you're holding a gun to my head but I am free to punch you in the face! Sure you can shoot me but I am free to punch you in the face! Nobody's "stopping" me from doing anything, right? It's not "mind control"! because that's the only thing to consider in freedom isn't it?
@morganabernathy3192
@morganabernathy3192 9 ай бұрын
Please do more of these!
@shanejohnson1034
@shanejohnson1034 8 ай бұрын
Isaiah 45:7 says it all, god had some messed up commands, and Jesus promoted this (Matt. 4:4).
@user-re5dl3ir3h
@user-re5dl3ir3h 8 ай бұрын
Gotta be honest, I was expecting more/better answers, especially as Turek often recommends this guy's book. I get that he didn't try to answer many of the major questions, but the ones he even delved into slightly I felt unsatisfied. God must be Good, or He is not worth worshiping/trusting. God also must be never-changing, else we cannot trust He will change His mind on what constitutes morality. Hoping that there will be better answers once Paul takes some time to deep-delve some of these questions rather than skimming them in description. I believe God is Good, and Just, and Trustworthy. I take this as an axiom, therefore when I see passages in the Bible that describe a God who is essentially acting evil, then I distrust those passages, not the nature of God. But then, I'm not sold on inerrancy, so it isn't as much of a problem for me, but these are valid serious questions for fellow believers.
@JesseDriftwood
@JesseDriftwood 10 ай бұрын
I’m happy to grant that the Israelites could have been *more* moral than the cultures around them, I’m happy to grant there are verses that do imply extra care for the foreigners, but this doesn’t make some of the very objectionable parts go away. Even if we’re only addressing the servitude aspects and not the massacring of distant lands and keeping the women and children as plunder, there are still some really messed up parts. For example, if an Israelite gives his servant a wife and that wife bears children, when the servant is able to go free on the 7th year, the woman and children of the servant remain under ownership of the master. If the servant wants to remain with his family (his nuclear family), then he is to have his ear pierced and commit to a life of servant hood to the master. So while on one hand we’re saying “voluntary servitude is more like a working contract! It’s fine” and on the other hand we laws that hold the family of a servant hostage (functionally speaking) if he wants to stay with them. Also, fathers are able to give their daughters away as servants, but they are not to go free on the seventh year as the male servants are. These verses make loads of sense when viewed from the lens of natural history, but they seem *very* hard to square with a God who is best seen in the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus. I’ve never heard a compelling explanation to these types of verses.
@CatchCraftInc
@CatchCraftInc 10 ай бұрын
Build an audience by uploading all those clips, and then start your show. Nicely done
@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom
@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom 10 ай бұрын
Don't worry! I'll still be doing commentary and reaction videos! I just think that longer form content is also important to integrate in. But thanks for the encouragement!
@fugitivemoses7515
@fugitivemoses7515 10 ай бұрын
In addition, if u read the book of Ezekiel 20:25-26, God later explains His reason for giving the Israelites harsh laws when they lived in the wilderness.
@pabs5270
@pabs5270 9 ай бұрын
My theory on Abraham. Human sacrifice was a common practice. God wanted to dramatically show that this wasn’t man’s ideal, so a substantial lamb was provided. It’s the only reasonable explanation.
@sweatshirty
@sweatshirty 10 ай бұрын
“We know who God is and He tells us how to live a right life in this book here” people: 😡😡😡 “here are a couple crystals, they will make you happy and make you rich, also God is whatever you want, nobody can know who God really is” people: 😮
@christophertaylor9100
@christophertaylor9100 12 күн бұрын
The thing I always wonder when someone makes this sort of argument... based upon what standard are you judging God?
@MortenBendiksen
@MortenBendiksen 9 ай бұрын
I also read the OT as an atheist and found it horrible. I now realise that it is written by and for an ancient human mind, it needs to address the categories of those minds. It can't really go outside those categories, except in very broad brushes through typology and symbolic referring to stuff we perhaps later could understand. Also, a lot of it's meaning is lost on us, unless we understand that it must carefully manage a balance between using existing notions, and telling something new, and use the space carefully, it's not even actually texts but oral transmission and memory which is the limits. Not only are there concepts we have now that didn't exist. There are also things that are lost to our consciousness which was readily available to the ancient one. Such as the concept of wind-breath-spirit, which is just one we know of. These things were not distinguished between, neither in OT or NT, btw. They are one and the same. When you read "the wind blows where it will...and so it is with everyone born of the spirit", it should actually be read "the spirit blows where it will...and so it is with everyone born of the spirit", or "the wind blows where it will...and so it is with everyone born of the wind", or "the breath blows where it will...and so it is with everyone born of the breath", or actually all of them at the same time, plus any mix of them. Translstors aren't often thinking deeply about how words can point to wildly differing concepts than exist today. They usually assume it means one of our modern concepts, like it's just a word that means different things, which is normal to us. But it's not, it's actually s unified concept. And most words traced back were like this, united concepts which to some degree might overlap with our concepts, and sometimes not so well. To really translate as well as possible requires using many more words than in the original. But then you risk adding stuff as well. It's really difficult. My final point is, while we must keep scriptures sentral, we must also approach them in a mystical fashion, humbly, as a strange creature we do not know. Christ in us, is what we need to first and foremost live out, and scripture used as a weird and mysterious inherited object of wild treasure and infinite potential, but not something we "figured out", and heave the correct view on.
@ariararia
@ariararia 9 ай бұрын
Love your channel
@johanneshartman4618
@johanneshartman4618 10 ай бұрын
JESUS IS LIVE!
@ssj4gogeta130
@ssj4gogeta130 4 ай бұрын
*without the v and n an a is n lie!!!!!*
@willievanstraaten1960
@willievanstraaten1960 10 ай бұрын
13:08 “It's I have encountered God through Christ and it becomes the central feature of your life it becomes the thing that guides all else and the thing uh that elevates” Very nice rhetoric, but how did you encounter god through Christ and how was he different from the savage described in the Old Testament?
@humbledmisc
@humbledmisc 10 ай бұрын
So Dawkins would possibly answer the question of "why do we have fingerprints?", with "Science just works?" Science doesn't care about holding you accountable for your actions, but God might.
@AetherialSatori
@AetherialSatori 10 ай бұрын
Universal balance encapsulates what the original creator consists of... The ability to do as much harm as show love. The reason Christianity would be the wisest decision on humanities part is because it stops there. Nobody thinks any further.... But the ultimate truth of the world is that it has no concern with forgiveness and love. That will work itself out regardless. But the more you push in one direction, the counterbalance is automatically created out of that... I love Jesus, believe in Jesus and wish that's what this was. But here? The world is upside down. No good deed goes unpunished...
@AlphonsoFrett
@AlphonsoFrett 10 ай бұрын
Hell NO! The embassarment that hit me for putting up with false teaching 😅 caused me to see why God commanded what he commanded in order to protect us from getting eaten by evil
@brianmoy1556
@brianmoy1556 3 ай бұрын
Just looking at the bite out of the apple on the computer. 🤔
@Mr.BeefwithChixken
@Mr.BeefwithChixken 10 ай бұрын
The bible is God's love letter to humanity. When he proclaims himself as a jealous God, he lets us know his boundaries as the creator of the universe. He is not going to let us go into the hands of the enemy or false idols without a fierce fight. But he is a gentleman that will come into your house and stay as long as you allow him too. He loves us so much and gave us a guide to life and to stay aware and away from the pitfalls of this world. The bible is not just a book of things that happened. It's a book of prophecy and a book of love and laws written for the protection of a species that was violated and betrayed by a previous creation.
@jaflenbond7854
@jaflenbond7854 10 ай бұрын
ARE ATHEISTS and RELIGIONS BELIEVERS of LIES and FAIRY TALES? ANSWER - Yes, Atheists, Jehovah's Witnesses, SDAs, Mormons, Baptists, Catholics, Methodists, Born Again Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions who hate the Creator and his Christ and believe the lies and falsehoods of the anti-Christs about "Armageddon", "heaven and hellfire", "Trinity", "rapture", and "reincarnation" will not be glorified in their make-believe and fairy tale Heaven nor tortured for eternity in their invented and fictitious Hell but just become worthless and useless dusts on earth forever after they stop breathing and run out of lives. IS the CREATOR'S FAVOR and REWARD OFFENSIVE and UNACCEPTABLE to ATHEISTS and RELIGIONS? ANSWER - Yes, Atheists, Christians, and all Religions are offended and can't accept that loving, kind, and respectful persons on earth who submit to the authority of Jesus Christ and believe his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" in obedience to what were written in Matthew 28: 18, Luke 4: 43, and John 11: 25, 26 will definitely be honored, favored, and rewarded by the loving, kind, and merciful Creator with ETERNAL LIFE and existence without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death on a safe and peaceful earth without traitors, perverts, murderers, the immoral, and liars both in words and deeds as written in Revelation 21: 3. 4, 8 IS RAISING of the DEAD OFFENSIVE and UNACCEPTABLE to ATHEISTS and RELIGIONS? ANSWER - Yes, all human beings have no immortal souls and will just become worthless and useless dusts on earth after their deaths just like the animals as written in Ecclesiastes 3: 19, 20 and 9: 5, 6 but all Atheists, Christians, and all Religions are offended and can't accept that loving, kind, and respectful worshippers of the Creator who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, Jesus Christ's disciples and followers, and many others will not remain as worthless and useless dusts on earth forever, instead, in the Creator's own right time and as written in John 11: 25, 26 Jesus Christ will RESURRECT them back to life so they can all happily and abundantly live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD" and fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, goodness, compassions, generosities, favors, and blessings of the Creator and his Christ for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.
@lyes.blanco
@lyes.blanco 10 ай бұрын
Aaaaah again, some questions here. I think I heard Dr Paul compare ancient slavery to modern sport players, because they are also « traded ». Yea. Servitude versus millions of dollars. I mean Yea. Okay… But just to check some things here : - Are you 2 saying that slavery was « good », or « better » ? Where do you get your references, in an ancient world full of blood rituals, murders, barbarism, etc. - Did parents sell their children as slaves for money in ancient Israel ? Was it moral ? - As Malachi 3-6 says, God does not change. Same yesterday, today and tomorrow. Do you apply that same biblical morality to your modern life today ? - I think servitude is called human trafficking today. Slave means, according to most dictionaries, deprived of liberty and fundamental rights. Do you think they were playing Monopoly with their slaves at that time ? Instead of beating them, raping them and consider them full property ? Do you think it was « not so bad » ? - talking about morality, Do you believe that any context at all could justify stoning to death an adulterous woman ? Ancient times included. From a God that doesn’t change, once again. - Do you think Adam lived 930 years ? Just saying, as we talk about the Old Testament, this a major topic that stops many people from believing. As we all know, life expectancy in the ancient times you know…. Sometimes, atheists, very often ex-believers, really want « God » to be true. I mean, think about it : it simplifies a lot of things. We also look for meaning, truth, have existential questions. It’s such a claim you are making here. Why do you think atheists would have a problem with a divine authority ? Because they « want to sin » ? I won’t even start on sexual inter courses between 80 years old man and his daughters, treatment of homosexuals or people eating shellfish or wearing mixed fabrics, etc. Again, no offense, just waiting for real answers. « Looking forward » too 👍
@tomsea6017
@tomsea6017 8 ай бұрын
Sometimes my challenge with discussing the Biblical issues with regards to women is that we fail to adequately admit the complexity of ancient societies and how the men didn't have it easy compared to women. The average man was sent to war as a young man and died. They didn't get to even be treated poorly, they were just sacrificed in war, whether in defence of their people or in seeking to secure enough posterity to even merit reproduction. So we can't just discuss the woes of females in those context as if they were oppressed and the men had it easy. When it comes down to the very basic "animalistic" desires, more women got to reproduce while most men didn't. So we have to be careful when talking about these and almost apologising for the laws in the OT - which were by far more empowering for women, considering context. Life in those times weren't easy for anybody.
@tlbx57
@tlbx57 6 ай бұрын
Father God almighty knows that mortal human existence is temporal, created for his purpose. Who are we to judge God's morality?
@Sunburst6520
@Sunburst6520 10 ай бұрын
As a child, I would have dreams in be in many nightmares where underground tentacle monsters could sense my slightest movement and impel me, wars, dreams of persecution, the grim reaper, things would get wild. I remember calling on the old testament name of God Jehovah, and I remember things did not end well for me when I was being assaulted by a witch. However, ever sense I was a child the name of Jesus has never failed me, when I began to call on his name Even recently, a spider demon with a human face around the size a 42" TV was crawling on my wall when I awoke from my sleep. I spoke the name of Jesus quite a few times and I attained Mercy unto myself, for that because Jesus has the authority for this reason. John 3:35 " He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." 1 John 2:23 "Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also." I believe that God cares for his creation and dosen't want to lose them, because I believed in Jesus and had the humility to honor his name many times throughout my life. I attained mercy through the New Covenant, agreement, or Testament. Only parts of the old still apply. The old prepared place for the New. I believe Love is many things, and is doing many things read 1 Corinthians 13:4-8 (KJV) and study the langauge of the time (Middle English) and do for yourself an order of operations properly like you would use in Algebra. A few things I believe Love does it when you matter greatly it is a kindness(: an act to preserve and help you), that never lies to you. I will always believe in Jesus and will burn anything that comes against his word in my heart. I should add when I saw Mr. Spider Demon (Who had the face of a man with spider legs) I was in great fear and panic, but when I called on Jesus and continued calling out his name and like in any good relationship with enduring faith and belief I attained peace and serenity by his mercy. John 1:1-5 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. Darkness in hebrew is often a metaphor for ignorance. Proverbs 4:19 “The way of the wicked is as darkness: they know not at what they stumble.” A concept of the word is the idea that is behind it or what should pop into your head by what the author is meaning. If you do not have the idea of the word correct you have a misconception and it changes the whole story.
@bibleburner8426
@bibleburner8426 10 ай бұрын
Torture, murder, and enslavement are only immoral when humans do it.
@fatalheart7382
@fatalheart7382 10 ай бұрын
Don't burst their little self important bubbles; the only god they want to serve is one that's obligated towards them.
@anahills3836
@anahills3836 10 ай бұрын
Here is what I would like to know. Why does God treat the people of Israel (and other nations also) as if they were one entity? For example, God sends them prophets over many years, telling them to stop their evil practices and warning them of the punishment that will be theirs if they continue to disobey. Finally, he brings judgment upon them, perhaps hundreds of years later. So generations of sinning people were able to live in their land, but then one or two generations take everyone's punishment and spend their lives in exile. Or, in the case of the Canaanites, one generation is punished when the Israelites are told to kill them.
@insanetubegain
@insanetubegain 3 ай бұрын
I read the Bible, and only through the lens of apologetics can someone have a good portion of it make sense, or mean something other than it says. What lets me know it's mostly bull is the fact that it needs apologetics in the first place, and through apologetics some one can make it mean whatever they want. It's why there are so many different sects and denominations, and why people kill each other over the different views they have of the same text. The more ignorant, and superstitious e.g. "religious", you can keep the masses, the easier it is to control them. It's much harder to control someone that's skeptical than someone having faith what you say is true. Through religion people are taught the false assumption that faith is a virtue, when it's really just being gullible and believing something without evidence. "You take it on faith". Even the authors of the Bible knew faith is just hoping and wanting something to be true. Hebrews 11:1 "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." On a different note. Matthew 10:34-36, 34 “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. 36 And a person's enemies will be those of his own household." and then there's, Luke 14:26, 26 “If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters-yes, even their own life-such a person cannot be my disciple". I've heard differing apologetics as to the meaning of these verses, I take the verses to mean what they say. I have a cousin that is not welcomed to my aunt's house as she disowned him because he quit believing in God. My cousin still loves my aunt very much and wants to have a relationship but she demands he must believe in Jesus again or she will not recognize him as her son and wants nothing to do with him. I am also not welcome to my aunt's house since she learned I was the one that opened my cousin's eyes to the fact that religion is nothing more than institutionalized myth and superstition used to control the gullible masses. Jesus supposedly said, "I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.", and my aunt is using that "sword" against my cousin and me, just as the context suggests. This is just a sample of things that need apologetics to make it mean something other than what it actually says, there is so much more that it would take a book to cover it all.
@WePlugGOODMusic
@WePlugGOODMusic 8 ай бұрын
Is episode 2 out yet? Please help tackle Lev 25 in detail
@ceelothatmane9421
@ceelothatmane9421 3 ай бұрын
The whataboutism is irrelevant bc those same people have no issue with making gods of their idols through celebrity. They also have no issue playing God through the arts and creativity. No one would call a painter evil for scrapping a painting. But somehow God is evil for doing away with his creation which he knows has an afterlife. That comes from us being made in the image of God. We develop ego. We try to play God, but even with our own creations on earth we can never be true creators because we can’t fabricate. We can only procreate. Use tools and a created mind to bring forth the manifestation of our ideas.
@tmarioman
@tmarioman 8 ай бұрын
2 Samuel 12 Niv 11“This is what the Lord says: ‘Out of your own household I am going to bring calamity on you. Before your very eyes I will take your wives and give them to one who is close to you, and he will sleep with your wives in broad daylight. 12You did it in secret, but I will do this thing in broad daylight before all Israel.’ ” Whether you think David deserved embarrassment or not, would you say it is moral to expose little kids to naked orgys?
@mosog8829
@mosog8829 10 ай бұрын
Job 4:17 " Can a man be more righteous than God"? So if one ask a question about God being a "moral monster" is like saying their are people who uphold a higher moral standard than Him.
@sentientflower7891
@sentientflower7891 10 ай бұрын
Don't criticize Moloch.
@mosog8829
@mosog8829 10 ай бұрын
@@sentientflower7891 Whatever that means
@sentientflower7891
@sentientflower7891 10 ай бұрын
@@mosog8829 are you more righteous than Moloch?
@willievanstraaten1960
@willievanstraaten1960 10 ай бұрын
16:42 “NEAR EASTERN TRASH TALK there's hyperbole there's an exaggeration which is common in Egyptian Assyrian accounts and so forth and the Bible picks up on that uh you know so that's helpful to know there's hyperbole there's an exaggeration.” Thanks, I could not explain the Bible better. I shall remember this one.
@zonderbaar
@zonderbaar 9 ай бұрын
So when do You guys talk about Isaac ? Did I miss that ?
@XX_MelobraacRedux
@XX_MelobraacRedux 10 ай бұрын
I feel like people purposely leave out the part that it was a test when they say “God told Abraham to kill his son Isaac”. Like blatantly being disingenuous to the point of that, to show how wicked the people were that they were going to drive out, as the Lord has never told anyone to sacrifice anyone to Him, nor did it ever cross His mind.
@sentientflower7891
@sentientflower7891 10 ай бұрын
God does command and receive human sacrifices in the Old Testament.
@campaigningmc7812
@campaigningmc7812 10 ай бұрын
@@sentientflower7891 If what you are referring to is the judge of Israel who offered his daughter to the Lord, then you have to understand that the offering is not an actual human sacrifice, but rather, consecrating a person to the Lord. The laws for consecrating someone to the Lord are in Leviticus, and they are not about literally killing humans, but rather, serving the temple and the Lord as literal servants and workers (but not priests since that was to only be done by Levites in the old testament [with the exception of I guess Melchizedek which foreshadows Jesus being our Eternal and Perfect High Priest and new testament realities]) In fact, God expressly forbid human sacrifice when he told the Israelites in Leviticus 18 to not sacrifice their children through the fire of Molech. As for warfare, it does not count as sacrifice, but rather, a sort of final judicial action by the Lord on the wicked.
@sentientflower7891
@sentientflower7891 10 ай бұрын
@@campaigningmc7812 you are reading an edited text that was deliberately obscured so as to avoid the conclusion that God demanded and received a human sacrifice.
@campaigningmc7812
@campaigningmc7812 10 ай бұрын
⁠@@sentientflower7891I am literally not i am reading directly from Judges 11. If you read it directly from the original Hebrew, you can tell the meaning. Here is how you can tell that it is not human sacrifice. 1.) Human sacrifice is opposed in Leviticus 18:21, 20:2-5, Deuteronomy 12:31, 18:10 2.) He permitted his daughter to bewail her virginity for two months, which implies that he did not sacrifice her immediately. This fits the idea of consecrating her to the Lord more than sacrifice does. 3.) This continues with saying that she “knew no man” before her death, which continues to imply that she lived after the consecration. 4.) There are other examples of consecration of humans (and women) in the sanctuary. Exodus 38:8; 1 Samuel 2:22, and Luke 2:36, 37 all support this. 5.) Finally, in the statement in verse 31 where he says that whatever comes from the door shall be the Lord’s, the ORIGINAL UNALTERED Hebrew word for “and” it shall be a burnt offering can be translated as “or” (Which means that it can be interpreted as either consecration to the Lord OR sacrifice. Either way, it was considered a tragedy and people mourned this event every four years in Israel, all because of the rash vow and lack of faith of Jephtah. Forgot to add that in so I edited it in a couple of minutes after.)
@campaigningmc7812
@campaigningmc7812 10 ай бұрын
@@sentientflower7891This is all directly from the NKJV 1982 version. I understand why the idea of God can be frightening to you, but an intellectual approach to the faith shall be greatly helpful into understanding the Bible as God intended. Shalom.
@davide724
@davide724 10 ай бұрын
If truth is inherently good for us to know then let it be known. But if truth isn't inherently good for us, who then would want to know it? If we seek truth for our benefit, would we still seek truth if we knew it would be to our detriment? What if no god is responsible for truth? Why then would one believe that truth will be beneficial? In other words, why believe that a mindlessly created or mindless eternal reality that you inhabit would provide you with what would benefit you rather than what would be to your detriment? And to what extent, truth properly interpreted, be beneficial for us? Would you still honor truth if truth would ruin you? If truth was your enemy rather than your friend? If truth was a poison rather than a cure? And by truth, I mean reality properly understood.
@Bill_Garthright
@Bill_Garthright 10 ай бұрын
So,... you don't give a crap about what's true and what isn't? OK, then believe whatever you _want_ to be true. You will anyway, right? I _do_ care what's true and what isn't. As much as possible, I want to believe what's true and _not_ believe what's false. Show me I'm wrong about something, and I will change my mind. And I will _thank_ you for the correction. I think it's beneficial, yes. When I cross a busy street, I look both ways, because I think the truth is beneficial. Don't you? When a scammer wants my money, when a politician wants my vote, when I'm deciding what to eat or drink,... for everything in my life, it's beneficial if I can distinguish what's true from what isn't. It's beneficial for me and it's beneficial for society. (Here in America, faith-based thinking is destroying my country and my world thanks to people like you - people who don't _care_ what's true and what isn't.) So, yes, I _do_ think that the truth is beneficial. But even if it wasn't, I'd want to know the truth. The truth isn't my enemy, even if the truth isn't what I want to hear. But even if it _was,_ I'm brave enough to accept the truth. I'm not a child who needs to be comforted by a pleasant fantasy. No, my dog isn't living on a farm upstate. Anyway, if all you've got backing up your religious beliefs is that you really, really _want_ to believe that stuff,... well, that's up to you. But I care about the truth. And evidence is how we distinguish reality from delusion and wishful-thinking.
@keithbirdwell
@keithbirdwell 2 ай бұрын
Guys don’t expect to get a several hundred page book explained here, buy the book and engage with it with what the Bible says.
@joestfrancois
@joestfrancois 10 ай бұрын
23 He went up from there to Bethel, and while he was going up on the way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him, saying, “Go up, you baldhead! Go up, you baldhead!” 24 And he turned around, and when he saw them, he cursed them in the name of the LORD. And two she-bears came out of the woods and tore forty-two of the boys. 25 From there he went on to Mount Carmel, and from there he returned to Samaria. There must be some explanation why this doesn't say what it says.
@BiblicalDhiman
@BiblicalDhiman 9 ай бұрын
I interviewed Dr Copan on my channel and he is excellent.
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