Wow can't believe you concluded that Pauly Shore's Pinocchio is "10,000 times better than both the original Disney and Del Toro"

Del Torro's Pinocchio is definitely dark, but there's no denying how terrifying dinsey's version is. That donkey scene still sends me shivers even as an adult. Personally in terms of enjoyment I find both movies to rank about the same. Good for their own respective reasons.

You speak with so much love in your heart. Your arguments are so reasonable and sincere. You bring a freshness to video essays I hadn't seen in such a long time!

Thanks so much for the shout-out! I really loved your take here, and I agree with you a lot. Obviously I love del Toro's Pinocchio with his unique visual style and subversive themes, but Disney's 1940 Pinocchio is such a classic and its a remarkable work of art that lets its audience come to their own interpretation of its story. Very well done analysis!

Cate Blanchett making monkey noises for almost two hours is just as funny as Joseph Gordon-Lewitt playing the gong off-screen in the Glass Onion.

I wouldn’t pin two kings together personally, but without Disney’s Pinocchio there wouldn’t be a GDT Pinocchio. So both are great.

They’re probably a tie for me, both movies made me cry. You can definitely tell Del Toro took alot of inspiration from the Disney version. Both are just so full of heart

I'm glad I'm not alone in thinking Del Toro lacks subtlety. I really wish people would let their art speak for itself instead of overexplaining everything to make sure the audience knows exactly what the author thinks while you're just trying to be immersed in the story.

I ABSOLUTELY LOVE HOW YOU TEASE VIDEOS FOR THE FUTURE AT THE END OF YOUR VIDEOS! IT MAKES ME SOOOO EXCITED!!! I CANNOT WAIT TILL ALL OF THESE VIDEOS COME OUT!!! KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK!!!

It’s always a great day when Fudd drops another video. I loved this one! As usual, lots to think about and so much fun to listen to. Excellent work!!

I can’t believe you did a segment talking about the character designs of Del Toro’s Pinocchio, but didn’t say a word about Sebastian J. Cricket! That guy is one of the best cartoon insect designs I’ve seen in years outside of Minuscule: Valley of the Lost Ants and I am insulted you did him dirty like that!! Ok but for real, I really like Sebastian’s design. It has a perfect balance of anthropomorphic features like his walking on two legs and the mandibles that look like a moustache, while still being anatomically similar to an actual insect. Unlike 90% of other animated anthropomorphised insect designs which tend to look more like weird goblins or humans with a gene and thorax glued on or just tiny with green skin. Kinda like Jimminy in Disney’s Pinocchio. Or those god awful uncanny valley ant designs in dreamworks’s Ants.

Really solid analysis that also allows for just, y'know, personal opinion. Sometimes you like what you like. Your videos are really well made and I'm glad I found your channel - commenting to bump it up the algorithm!

Still my favorite film review channel on KZfaq

I'm glad I'm not the only one who finds the stop motion humans uncanny 😅 Edit: also, I really hate the trend of, "this version of a story is DARKER, it has ONSCREEN DEATH, therefore it's BETTER and waaaaaaaaaaay DEEPER than the thing it's based on/related to" Like, it's just so shallow and kinda overdone at this point that I'm just not interested in any show or movie I see getting that style of praise

It makes me so happy whenever I get the notif that you've uploaded!! It's like a special treat whenever I get to sit down and watch the vid at the end of my day 🥰

The human designs are a bit off for me too. Every time I saw Candlewick my brain went, "Matt Damon!"

Okay, I agree with every word you said about celebrity voice casting, but can you really praise the voice cast of Disney's Pinocchio and NOT mention Walter Catlett? The guy who made "Hi Diddle-Dee-Dee" such a banger? Catlett did do a lot of live action work as a comedic character actor (he's so good in 1936's "Mr. Deeds Goes to Town" and "A Tale of Two Cities"), but he was never a celebrity per se, and his performance as Foulfellow is top-notch. He deserves applause.

I was waiting for this, glad to see you got a chance to check it out. I agree that the visual setpieces of the GdT version were striking, I loved the way Pinocchio, Blue Fairy, and Rabbits looks and the war time setting was right up my alley, but the way it dealt with its themes was very on the nose. The movie basically read its thesis statement qand that was unneeded. I like the way you talk about the two movies as Disobedience vs. Obedience. Its an interesting angle, especially since Disney presents a character who obeys but is punished for it, Del Torro provides a character who disobey as a moral good and is rewarded. Still glad to see you continue the idea of ranking movies not being a slight against them since each brings its own strengths to the mix. Looking forward to the Little Mermaid video!

First time I heard about Del Toro's Pinocchio was that he was doing a live stage adaptation for Disney like The Lion King. I was so excited by that, but it obviously never came to life, so to speak. Both Disney and GDT versions are brilliant masterpieces, but I agree that Disney's is more masterful. And hey, did I inadvertently contribute info to this video lol? Great work, always a treat. Thanks.

Looking forward to your Little Mermaid video!

Was waiting for this video after you watched basically every other Pinocchio version Edit: Bro had the chance to make both movies score a tie at the end but decided to not give a score at the very last criteria so the Disney version would win 💀

This was a great way to comprare the two movies. Using visual examples you support your opinion. I look forward to future evaluations.

9:05: the way to describe what you are saying is this: His leitmotifs are pretty, but they often feel the same, with the themes being conjoined without much jumps. The melodies are often based on steps in its diatonic key. Of course, there is nothing wrong with conjoined melodies as there is nothing wrong with just having a disjunct melody, but it can help to have variety.

Oh i'm so excited for the little mermaid comparisons, it wasnt until seeing a post that explains that ariel is autistic that i realised why she meant so much to me as a lil kid despite having nothing physically or culturally in common with her Also the end ranking isn't unsurprising but i love how enjoyable to comparison was, it was like a fun who would win batman vs superman debate one might have with friends

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Old Disney Pinocchio vs Guillermo del Toro Pinocchio The ultimate versus battle, I love both versions

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Your comments on stopmotion reminds of how Tim Burton was upset that people thought Corpse Bride was CGI when it was in fact stopmotion and intentionally made the stopmotion in Frankenweenie "worse" in order to honor the medium.

I think the GDT version is a great movie but I also think it's a little overrated, it's become almost a consensus of the public that it's the perfect version, with the best animation, the best soundtrack, the deepest, the darker but I disagree and still prefer the 1940 version for the reasons you cite. A ranking of versions of The Little Mermaid is a great idea! there's a 1976 version called Malá Morská Víla and I'd love to see you talk about it. Oh by the way, would you mind sending me your letterboxd profile link so I can follow you?

I always learn something interesting from Fudd.👍🐱

Your commentary about the themes in both films is the highlight of the video! Fantastic!

Agree to disagree Both Disney and Del Toro are really excellent and have their own flaws I love Del Toro's version a lot more since it resonates a lot harder for me. Perhaps because it's a stronger emphasis on the theme of death and love. As someone who's experience great grief from a significant loss in my life where you feel anger and despair to the point where you feel like you can't move on, it genuinely resonated hard for me. Regardless of some parts of the GT version and how they handled some parts of the story, the main theme of loss and moving on is honestly beautifully handled in the film and really theres no denying it. And I don't know the music hits more harder for me than Disney's version did. I still think very regularly about the score like Ciao Papa than I ever did with any of Disney's version (With maybe the exception of I've Got No Strings lol) I do agree I wish there was a bit more subtly to DT's version and it gets murky in some points of the story but I genuinely love it so deeply and is my favorite animated adaptation of the film. Maybe because I'm not used to DT's other works so its a different viewing experience not knowing his other works and comparing it.

Just binged all of your videos, and wow, they're wonderful. I always get frustrated by how the classic Disney movies are viewed. They're seen as more boring by fans of modern animated films, or as cute novelties, not worthy for that much critical evaluation. Your video essays on them are fantastic, and bring completely new light to the films for me. I'm interested in what you have to say about Dumbo, since it's one of the Disney films I'm more mixed on - and currently maybe the KZfaq video I'm most looking forward to. For Little Mermaid ranking video, I'm also very excited. One of the most interesting things about the Pinnochio ranking video was seeing how (or if) they responded to the themes of the source material. Since its completely different from Disneys interpretation, sometimes it'd go abandoned for the mainstream themes of the Disney version. Curious to see how the little Mermaid adaptations do that for their own source material!

I can't emphasise how thankful I am that you mentioned Del Toro's respect for the Disney film, especially considering how many parallels I saw in both when I first watched his version. While I personally prefer the newer one more for it's approach to death and disobedience, I still love the Disney film for its sumptous visuals and music. It's clear work and effort was put in both and you feel it.

I enjoyed both movies, both are good in their own merits and represent different things. Good video!

PS: funnily enough, there was one more Pinocchio cameo in a blockbuster in 2022: Puss in Boots The Last Wish. The cricket was even one of the main supporting characters lol

Love the end of the video. Nothing will ever beat the animated Disney version! It's almost a perfect movie. After watching every Pinocchio version I could find, my new ranking is 1. Disney Pinocchio (1940) 2. Pinocchio (2019) 3. The adventures of Pinocchio (1996) 4. Pinocchio (1992) 5. Guillermo del Toro’s Pinocchio (2022) 6. Pinocchio (2012) 7. Pinocchio (2013) 8. Pinocchio (1972) 9. Pinocchio (1976 TV movie) 10. Pinocchio (2009) 11. A.I. 12. Pinocchio (1947) 13. The new adventures of Pinocchio (1999) 14. The adventures of Pinocchio (1972 TV miniseries) 15. Pinocchio Anime series (1976) 16. Pinocchio and the emperor of the night (1987) 17. Pinocchio (1967) 18. Disney Pinocchio (2022) 19. Geppetto (2000) 20. The adventures of Pinocchio Anime (1989, 1972) 21. Pinocchio 3000 22. Fairytale Theatre version 23. The adventures of Buratino (1959) 24. Welcome back Pinocchio (2006) 25. Pinocchio: A true story (2022)

Another great video - analysis made entertaining and ending in a belly laugh. 😂 You are amazing.

0:41 I remember being scared and not seeing that movie until a few years ago if i still have the dvd i will try to see if it has subtitles

Love your video essays so much, they help me a lot with focusing on what I'm trying to convey with my works. Keep up the amazing work! You're a real KZfaq Boy! xD

i agree with you 1940 Pinocchio will always be the Best !

Can't wait for you to watch Blancanieves (2013), that's one of my favorite movies! Other than that, great video! I was really interested by what you said about each movies' themes, and also how both movies compliment eachover.

I need to hurry up and get around to seeing del Toro's version. But glad to see no one can knock the True Pinocchio from his throne lol Ooh, really excited to see the mermaid video :) But don't work yourself too hard.

A:"few mounths"? More like one and a half year! B:"on this, i'm with il niege:-"the quality of an adaptation doesn't depend on how closely it adheres to the source material"

After I saw Del Toro's Pinocchio I immediately checked to see if they were selling 1:1 replicas of him (or maybe the studio could auction off the actual figures they used.) I adore that creepy yet still somehow cute design. And I, too, was happy to see the Black Rabbits utilized in his interpretation!

Disney's had better characterization and story. Both versions have Pinocchio go on unusual adventures, but the Pinocchio of Disney seems to learn from them and his lesson of not telling lies is of central focus and I do feel like he learned his lesson about vices and fame. The GDT Pinocchio had a way less substantial arc or growth. He was led by first impulse every step of the way. Almost like he was some kind of AI robot with a shallow understanding and lacking empty responses, yet at the end the narrative acts like he's embraced maturity and gracefully accepts everyone dying all around him. Like... did we watch the same character? It's sad cause I liked Geppetto a lot and felt invested by how sad he was at the loss of Carlo and I actually felt similarly disgusted that his wish to have his son back was met with a spoiled, bratty wood-demon instead. GDT also was so ham-fisted with the "This is a serious gritty story about mortality" ... yeah it was about mortality, but what else is there and what does it say about mortality? With a protagonist like GDT!Pinocchio not very much. Puss In Boots 2 allowed its narrative to address the topic of mortality without beating you over the head with it and making the protagonist's fear of death feel fully explored comparatively. Plus, Disney's Pinocchio's other characters were more endearing. Jiminy was invested in Pinocchio and wasn't just tacked on like GDT. The pets Cleo and Figaro were sweet and they were a lot more memorable than the oddly-voiced-by-Cate-Blanchett Monkey.

Internet teenagers thinking they’re smarter than classic era Disney films is lots of fun.

2:26 The same thing is with Puss in Boots 2. Except everyone literally expresses the exact sentiment about it.

GdT's Pinocchio is by far my favorite version, so in my opinion, it is the best.

of all the ways to find out about a snow white remake, it had to be this

woah, pinocchio

cat > monkey

Dude! You nibble on you piano keys, too?! 9:16

So you're telling me I should sub the entirety of the Comencini series for you? Btw, great video as always. I think I prefer Del Toro's version. Not because it's superior in a particular way, but it just feels more personal. The disney one I adore for its technical aspects, but I can't feel its human emotions as clearly as the other.

One of the themes of Del Turro’s film is that it’s a story of the complicated relationship between father and child. We see this in Pinocchio’s relationship with his father. Candle wick and his dad. And the people of Italy with italy itself

I watched these two movies back-to-back, and one of the things I noticed that I don’t see many people talking about is the whale. For being the climax of the film, the Del Toro version of the whale just felt so lacking in comparison to the absolute beast that is Disney’s Monstro. I don’t know if any movie will ever be able to match his threatening presence, and the crushing weight that you can FEEL he holds in the water. The Del Toro version of the whale is just kinda…there. Not bad, he serves the plot well enough, but he definitely doesn’t feel like as much of a threat.

I personally love the disney original one, because of the songs and the way i related to him and thing he didnt understand about the adult and human World. But i really like Del Toro's... thats when u are a bit older and questioning everything around you, u start to understand why we do the things we do, you decide wether u do what you think its correct and learn from it. I think each of them have their own value

For me the best Pinocchio Was From the Tatsunoko "Kashi No Ki Mokku"

I appreciate the method used to rank these two against eachother. It makes it so that even if anyone disagrees with you, that can just mean that they personally hold those specific categories higher in importance than others. I agree with your end result as well. As good as del toro's is, the very del toro isms themselves hold it back a bit. Also I really don't like the parts and characters that were cut/mashed together

I think which of the two is best will depend on personal taste, because both are beautiful in their own way. Personally I like the Disney version more, because of its own merit but also because I have so much nostalgia for it. But I can see how people could grow up with Del Toro’s version and be as much as in love with it as I am with Disney’s. So yeah, the Ying and Yang are better together, lol

Oof, little mermaid? Way too many 😂, tho I do recommend the 1975 Japan version, it's the one I grew up with next to Disney(the 1940s concept art of disney TLM is also fascinating to see, I love the tail design too even if it's unconventional and they look more like eels), not the best Japanese animated movies had to offer at that time in terms of animation, but I love the sisters design and many others the movie has to offer, there is also the short Russian one which has one of the most haunting song I've heard but yea, great vid btw, enjoyed your vids a lot

There is one Pinocchio movie I watched as a kid that SCARED THE BEJESUS OUT OF ME. Interestingly, the movie Pinocchio is played by Jonathan Taylor Thomas, AKA Cub Simba from The Lion King 1994.

See you in May...

Shape of Water being it’s unique and wonderful self even in a video that isn’t even about it. god I love that film.

Good video! Question, what's the name of the anime at 14:37? That thing looks dope.

Welp, time to explain why Sykes from Oliver and Company is an underrated Bill Sikes character.

It’ve always felt that it’s difficult for me to say that Del Torro’s is as good as Disney’s because Del Torro’s is so much within Disney’s shadow. I appreciate your take that the two are in conversation with one another, but that’s also why I love the 2019 Garrone version best of all; it stands an its own with so much genuine artistic integrity.

Also I've just realised if you do Snow White you may have to go over the insanely racist banned WB Snow White parody from the 40s, which would be awkward (and apparently according to wiki there's also an "adult" snow film? Good luck

For a second I thought I was watching a haha ha video just from the background music lol

Just curious but when will your next update be? No rush but I’m excited to see it!

“a Pinocchio authority” - you mean a Pinocchiologist? 😂

Liked seeing your thoughts on that one, too. I have seen a lot more adaptations of Pinocchio than I previously thought. My ranking's way different than yours (disliking Pinocchio's storyline in general as a whole made me far more fascinated with the wilder adaptations like The Golden Key and A Tree of Palme), but I do validate and respect your personal reasons for your rankings.

Your videos are so good

Now review Lies of P!

I would give the animation point to Guillermo del Toro's Pinocchio

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21:57 Can't wait to hear your thoughts on Blancanieves. And the director of that movie has an animated movie coming out, and it is titled Robot Dreams.

Why not Make a Movie Of Kashi No Ki Mokku? (Kashi No Ki Mokku Pinocchio Movie)

So I just watched your Guillermo Del Toro's Pinocchio. I think Walt Disney would agree with me Toro's Pinocchio is better. Not just the end, but throughout the film, compared to Disney, Toro's Pinocchio hurts more, and there are no effort at all to soften it. And it's still manages comedic moments

Walts is still my favorite

I dont remember a single song from the del torro adaption.

nope he stopped making video's after this

Despite your opinions being… opinions… this was an interesting video

yep 7th was my guess. 21:25

so is this guy just not going to continue his disney retrospective not that i give a fuck just asking

fair

what is you letterboxd name?

Great analysis! All the way back when Pan's Lanyrinth came out, I asked myself why Del Toro bothered with the fantasy part of the story at all when he clearly was more interested in telling a rwalistic war story. I didn't feel lije the fantasy aspects elevated the story back then, because the allegory was too onbvious for the fantasy plot to add anything that wasn't already in the real world plot. And I felt the same way about Pinocchio. Although since fantasy and reality are not clearly seperated in this story, so the viewing experience is much more cohesive. The lack of subtlety also finds its way into the narratove itself. While viewing the propagabda version of the puppet show, I couldn't help but think of a comment from Goebbels abozt how to effectively use Kasperle (the German handpuppet character) in propaganda, namely instead of having him openly spout it "or even march across stage with a swastika flag" to use him as an example of how "real" German men are supposed to act. If the movie went with that approach it could have gotten even more out of the obedience vs disobedience theme. Granted I was thinking of fascist Germany, not fascist Italy. Maybe Italian propaganda was actually less subtle. But I think there's a danger in the way propaganda is portrayed in modern media (not only in this film). By making it over the top and easy to recognize, it hides the danger of real propganda which can often be more insidious. That doesn't mean that I didn't like the film: I enjoyed it greatly! Especially exploring how Pinocchio's mortality works, was a brilliant idea and fixes some of the most glaring plot holes in the original book, where it is never fully clear what kind of danger is an actual threat to Pinocchio or what kind of damage will have what effect on him. Certainly caused by the episodic nature of the story, but especially distracting when the main point of the story is supposed to be showcasing the consequences of Pinocchio's reckless and selfish actions. Del Toro's approach was a brilliantly inspired workaround. Overall I wouldn't so much call Del Toro's Pinocchio an adaptation, but perhaps a sendoff both on the original tale and uts adaptations (most importantly Disney of course). It can't really stand on its own, but it doesn't want to. For that reason alone I can't call it "the best" Pinocchio adaptation. But it's a great addition to the ones we have. (And certainly the best one of 2022) Also YAY, extremeky hyped for the Little Mermaid video.

The 1978 version is the most accurate

It certainty the most interesting its not most adaptations that mention fascism

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Seventh place? God damnit.

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how you can tell it's a gulleimero del toro film the film heavily critizies extreme facism and portrays children as the primary enemies to it the film has an adordinate amount of studio meddling a very clear atheist agenda is shown this is a joke by the way before anyone starts taking this seriously each film has a preechy be yourself message that's for sure to convice some assholes that they don't need to change and actually grow as people and make good decisions just keep doing what you do he has an absurd phobia of horses and cows which you can see in many of his movie's his film's have a cartoonish black and white perspective he's also very sexy that's all for now

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I didn't enjoy Torro's version. He's a raging stalinist and always put his political views in his movies. It's to much anti nationalism all over everywhere. Sometimes I just want to watch something nice.