Haas gets customers with the upfront pricing directly accessible by anyone looking...every other machine tool company still has this 90's model sales tactic garbage where you need to contact a sales rep and go back and forth before you ever get a single price quoted. Its nonsense.

It would be awesome if you could do some videos highlighting your maintenance department and how they operate.

itd be nice if dn solutions was like haas and had a similar website to show prices of the machines so u know what ur getting with ur purchase. I think thats one reason why ppl like haas their upfront with their prices.

I buy HAAS because it’s an American machine tool company that make their machines in the USA. Their upfront pricing and support videos and local support are great also! I will continue to support my community by manufacturing in America and with American made products to the best of my ability. Win Win Solutions!

So one of these is comparable to the base price of the equivalent Haas? Or is it comparable to the price of the Haas after adding equivalent features? Either way that's a big deal! Just important to know that distinction. But since their prices aren't published, it basically doesn't matter. If DN Systems/Doosan truly wants to compete against Haas in this meat-and-potatoes, entry to mid-level VMC market. they HAVE to 100% absolutely start showing plainly their prices, at least on their core, base level type machines like the DNM series. Tell the world it's $45k or $60k or whatever it is. Because Haas does. With Haas I can build and price the exact machine I want for hours from my desk for fun, getting hyped up about the idea of a VF2SS and whether I want this or that feature to be better suited to what we're gonna make. Between me and the other people in my group, we can feel engaged by the process. We can do some noodling. There is an engagement there. I 10000% do not want to rely on communicating our needs to a sales person and then trusting them to TELL ME what we should get. And then trust them to give us the BEST PRICE. When my group bought our first CNC machines we went with Haas because every single other company that offered machines, we just didn't know what the prices/features/logistics were. I was liking the features of those machines but I didn't feel it was worth our time to even bother calling those companies up because of the hassle. Heck even Haas when we did finally call up and say "hey we are interested in this-that-the-other thing" and went to visit the HFO, the sales people started going into it and before long they're putting together machine package quotes for literally 2x the budget we were talking about at first. It's like "no, I don't want a VM4, we started here talking about a TM2P." The sales guys DO NOT GIVE A CRAP, and none are interested to work within a strict budget or try to work to get you the most possible machine for your specific needs at the lowest dollar amount. I've got salesmen in my family, I know how they work. So I keep sales people out of my life and business whenever possible and will go out of my way to remove them from our purchasing loop. At least Haas, they publish the numbers independent of the sales guy. You can configure the exact thing you want, and tell the Sales guy to take that $4000 add-on and shove it. Sign me up for what I want. If Doosan did that 2 years ago, I could have gone to my partners and said "well I just went and looked and Doosan machines are similar price, or cheaper, than the VF2 I'm looking at; and we could get a lot more features for the money: plus they have advantages in the machine and so on." but since I didn't have a price from Doosan, it's a non-starter. I know what the Haas costs. I know it does most of what I need. I can go online and see tons of videos and examples of people (including on this channel) making Haas machines work for them. So it's a safe bet. Easy to stop looking further even if there's some compelling stuff out there. So why even start to shop around to other machine tools if they're probably going to be 20-40% outside our price range for a machine of the same specs anyway and especially if they act like they don't want to deal with a small company like us? If DN Systems just aren't concerned with the startups and the small companies, and only want big clients with purchasing departments, Doosan can keep doing what they're doing. If they truly are trying to break into that new-shop, entry-level tool market that Haas has cornered, and market themselves as being cheaper than Haas, a better alternative to Haas, more machine for less money, etc; they need to prove it. Give us machinists who are trying to convince the boss (even if that's the wife) the tools we need to sell the idea. Haas gives me everything I need right on their website. No human interaction required. Doosan still hasn't figured that out, so they will continue to struggle with this old-school "we need to lure you in to contacting us" mentality left over from the days of telegraph and horses. Let me be specific, after our brief period of emailing back and forth with the HFO telling them what we wanted, we ended up with a VF2 and an ST10. I am happy enough with both and I understand how to use them. I also see major flaws with the machines. I can foresee in another year our company getting new machines to augment or replace the current ones as we grow. I really am looking at DN Systems as a good potential alternative to move to (especially if the Haas gives us any expensive problems in the next year) as I like a lot of things about the machine over the Haas. But it's a different control, so, that's a concern. And differences in other logistics ways. And ultimately I still have no idea if they'd actually be price competitive to just sticking with the Haas, without starting a whole quote process. But, I know what a UMC500 costs, or a ST-20Y; so as long as they haven't upset me I could really save myself headache just sticking to Haas and basing my purchasing strategy around their machines/costs. So maybe we stick with a Haas Y-axis lathe, or Haas 5-axis, even tho a DN machine might be better, simply because we're already on the Haas train. And the only reason we're on that train, and not possibly already running a Doosan, is because Haas showed their hand, gave the world a price in red that we could take to the boss and the bank. In any case definitely interested in seeing how this SVM behaves in the field. I'd love to see what one with a 4th axis setup could do.

Haas some strong competition in terms of machine value for money. I had an opportunity to choose a new CNC mill for our shop. It was between Haas VF4SS and a DMG CMX 1100V (fully spec.) and I was supprised that the prices between the two were almost the same. At the end decided for the DMG and it is a superb machine.

I work on haas from 2020 and 2017 and unfortunately you can see a significant deterioration in quality on the new machine compared to the old one

Competition is good! It holds companies accountable and makes sure they are always striving to improve and produce a good product. As we all know, the cream always rises to the top! Without competition, companies could produce a garbage and overpriced machine and customers would have nowhere else to go.

'Like curious heifers in the field, the metal workers are drawn to the new object in their kingdom. The excitement spreads through the herd as the object is inspected.

The biggest issue the competitors of Haas have are their marketing. When I bought my first machines 2 years ago, I didn't have any industry connections, and it was difficult to get pricing on new machines as everything was locked behind salesmen. Haas has their entire pricing system set up like a car dealership. Choose the model and build to fit and the MSRP is right there - then all you have to do is haggle the discount with the salesman. With everyone else, the options are often not readily shown, the machine lists and availability are not shown publicly, you have to talk to a salesman for each piece of information, and depending on how good the salesman is (I really wanted Doosan machines, but the salesman in my area was very difficult to contact and getting information and pricing was a chore for me - to be fair, I have a bit of phone anxiety). I ended up buying 2 haas machines, and then after a year purchasing a brother speedio. I still wish that I could have gotten doosan or hurco for my first 2 machines, but at the end of the day, Haas is very capable of making good parts too - it just takes a bit more effort due to the limitations in their design (I really hate my haas tailstocks...)

Haas AMERICAN MADE! Let’s keep American jobs alive remember titan

04:10 "It's not small, it's like super compact, but it's like, super beefy, yknow?" I believe the word you're looking for is thicc

Nice looking hunk of iron there................. All the whiny comments here about MTB's don't show their prices online or up front. Woopty doo...........Are you all that afraid of picking up the phone and talking to a sales rep? And a lot of you sayin' that it's the reason Haas sells machines? 🙄🙄 I buy my machines with a balance of quality, price, and application. Haas will ALWAYS come up in 2nd place. I have Haas, Doosans, and Brothers on my floor. I'm slowly purging all of the Haas iron and buying better valued, better built, and better performing machines.

Price transparency is a big issue in the industry as a whole. I think Ellison / DNS is vastly underestimating how much business that costs them

My experience with Haas is this. I worked in a very high end medical device prototype shop. We had a Hermle , DMU50 , and a Willemin-Macodel to name a few. We bought a Haas to do plastic for one of our less experienced employees. He loved the controller however after 14 months the tool changer wouldn’t function and a new one had to be installed. This was out of warranty and we had to pay the full price. The machine was run very easy and had no crashes.

So did Doosan change its name DN Solutions? If that's the case it doesn't make a lot of sense owning a company based in Texas and supporting a company based outside the US to save a dollar just my opinion.

Customer support and quality of service is also an important factor here. Nobody likes to see a machine out of commission. From my experience, DN Solutions and Ellison Technologies have a strong customer support base. It doesn’t go unnoticed.

You can spend mega $$$$ and have the newest, fastest cnc machine out there. Bottom-lone is, if you don't have the know. It doesn't matter who's brand you have. If you don't have the work to make those payments, repo man doesn't give a shit what brand it is. It'll sell at auction to the highest bidder for 1/3 to 1/4 your purchase price.

Competition is good. This will improve both companies machines. Going after the VF2SS is a tall mountain to climb. We have 4 of them and they are animals. The performance, reliability and ease of use is unbelievable. I’ve looked at the doosans and in that realm it’s a no go. For other applications like their 9 axis mill turn doosan is the winner by far.

I own 3 Doosan’s (oldest being a 2019 model) and I love them all! Had a svm on order but canceled it due to a lot of circumstances (unrelated to finances). I saw one on person and it is quick. I can’t speak for svm, but my dnms blow vf2’s out of the water. Just my opinion. Contact your local Doosan distributor. They are not much more if at all more expensive than Haas with the same options. The difference is you can pick and choose what you want with Haas. If you can get a Haas stripped down to nothing and can actually utilize it with minimal options, it’s a route to consider. If you need thru spindle coolant, thru air, 12k, high speed machining, etc. Doosan is the way. Haas still uses coolant from the sump to chill their spindles. Doosan’s have an oil jacket chiller. Running all day or most of the day at 12k it makes a huge difference in how hot the spindle gets. Btw I don’t hate Haas. For what you get though and how close pricing is, there are better options. My service in my local area has also been exceptional.

More machine for the money, and if you're getting your DNSA machines from Ellison Technologies, you'll get our comprehensive support to back it up. The SVM is an incredible machine and we're excited to put more of these in shops across the US. If there's anyone that will be able to show off the true speed of this beast, it's Titan. Let's go!

Had my SVM4100 for a year now and love it! Can’t wait to see what you can do with this machine!

Looking forward to seeing that drill performance. Thanks Titan crew!

What an awesome machine! New machine day is always a great day in for the shop!

I really like the SVM series from DN, the value for money is certainly there. I hope Gene is paying attention, thats all I will say.....

Legit great info, less advertisement feeling for the machine tool company. Good thoughts!

This industry is constantly moving, shifting, and taking new turns. Every level of machine, from the hobbyist types to the Lamborghinis, is open to competition for "top" performer. If you continue to innovate and listen to your customers you can hold your position for a long time; fail to do these things however and eventually someone else will do it for you.

My work recently purchased a vf2 ss and that high flow pump is loud and obnoxious and we still waiting on haas to come fix bugs in the controls system

can you do a video about drilling hardened powder steels? Something like 56-60 rockwell?

HAAS, probably, are not even trying to compete. Their machines are just simply outdated. When Mazatrol teacher was in our shop, he told us, that HAAS themselves admitted, that they can't compete with companies, like Mazak, which machines are a lot faster, and way more rigid, than HAAS machines on the same operations. He told us a story, that when he was participating in the installation of Mazak's mill in one workshop, and written a program for a specific part - owners asked him to convert this program also for their HAAS mill, so they can run it simultaneously on two mills. And it turned out, that HAAS mill just can't handle Mazak's cutting speeds and workloads. Also, HAAS is just a few years younger, than Daewoo's machine tool subdivision, and they established their company in a period, when CNC was still raw and new for everyone, and there was a lot of time to level out with others. But, Daewoo's machine tool subdivision, which has already changed it's owner twice, evolved more drastically, than HAAS. They had some exotic form-factor machines in Daewoo era, they had 5-axis lathes during Doosan era, and now heading to premium segment during DN Solutions era. While HAAS, it seems, are just continuing to make their 90's and 2000's models with minor design and software updates.

That drill looked like the new go-tip for the ken-tip line. Our rep was in today to test the new barracuda drill on one of our parts and mentioned letting us test that one too!

I'm looking at this machine for our machine shop as well. I look forward to seeing what you do with this machine. Time to modernize our shop and replace that 1984 mill.

I am pumped! Haas VF2's are great but competition benefits everyone.

My Hurco is best. Monster machine and superb rigidity😁

I noticed you failed to mention that Haas Machines are made in the USA. And Doosan machines are made in South Korea. I don't have any problem with the Haas company model when it comes to features. It makes sense from a business standpoint to have just one controller that does everything and you have to pay to have upgrades unlocked. It costs about the same to manufacture the parts, and the programming is already done and paid for. Hell, I use that business model myself. The more you pay me the more you get out of me.

Unfortunately not made in America. I have great luck with my haas machines. Pay extra and buy American whenever possibly or your just sending jobs overseas.

This is the unboxing any machine shop owner would love.

oh bloody great, Ive just took delivery of a haas mini mill, i brought it 1, was the floor space 2, cost £30,000. Its my first cnc with tool change, I could do with more staff but opted for the mill because if I took someone one this machine is paid for with one year wages and if I get slack of work I can turn it off, hope i made the right decision but im not in the market of mass producing im a job shop with plates that need bit of milling but mainly drill and tapping and im not down to the wire on times on jobs as most stuff is done on manual mills with god for saken drill chuck changing, center drill then drill then tap then counter sink . I looked at doosan but they were too costly and took up more space and if i buy a machine into the 50 to 70k range then its got to earn its money but 30k is ok.

So in other words... they got this machine for free also.

Haas is good value if you can accept close to base spec. If you kit them out fully with all the good stuff then you should definitely get some quotes from other brands to compare. A lot of the initial price difference comes from higher base specs on most of the European and Asian brands.

I make billet engine blocks on 5 axixs Haas. Its the Designer, Programmer and Operator. When u do all 3 you have a skill that many people don't!

Ycm /supermax tried this. We bought some, and now we’re stuck with machines you have to wait 5 months to get a spindle replaced.

Have you guys had problems with your Haas machines? I'm reading about some people who have had them be so problematic that after months, zero parts produced and Haas no longer communicates with them WHILE demanding payments ????

Just got ours a couple weeks ago. There's a few hiccups we're working through with Ellison but nothing major. I will say that the finish on our parts is very nice when directly compared to our other machine tool brand. This is our third DN Solutions machine this year and counting.

I am preparing to make moves to purchase my own machine. So when I see these, they help out.... also I saw dns at imts, which helps. 😆

Haas pricing is ridiculous. TSP , Z raising (8 longer bolts and 2 peace of steel that’s not aligned…) 15k or more. FF milling etc etc. Idiot pricing

Wonder how much of the haas market this doosan and the mazak ez series and such will actually take

You are such a happy employer I wish I could come work for you. I feel like I could go from a basic nobody machinist just fixing other guys programs to something of value maybe have a better look on life.

Do they make a single phase version that will fit in a 7ft garage?

Base price is fine but not including additional peripherals does not make much sense

We just commissioned our new DN Mynx 5100 50 taper. It's our second one. The first replaced an old Johnford 50 taper and this one is replacing a Daewoo Mynx 40 taper. Speaking of which, anyone wanna buy my old Daewoo 40 taper? Runs good but it's old.

I like work on UMC 750 Haas.

POV: haas stops paying you to advertise their machines so you find another company to do it

How does this compare to the DEM4000? And is that a robodrill I saw in the background?

So after adding all the bells and whistles to the machines even a 4th axis what will be the comparison in price

🤣i never seen any guys working in this shop....maybe this shop is only for promotional shooting videos🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

I want to buy a cool slidey EDM thingy like a Texas Flag with the star cutout to go up and down and the top surface a wave. Made out of unobtanium and a rainbow-tempered surface finish. I would spend up to $100 dollars for a 4x6 one.

Can you do something on managing a sales department?

Where are they getting the money for all these machines? from my understanding they don't do actual paid manufacturing work they just do the cnc academy

Hi Barry, you are looking great in this video!

Is Haas no longer sponsoring you? why are you ' gypsies' ?

Everyone knows that DOOSAN is one of the most durable machines and that they have really good price, but still they don't have their prices listed like HAAS. I always say, you can have high performance drill that can go 3x faster than maybe some other, but if it cost 1000 $, are you really gonna pay it off? It is better have lower performance level HM drills with TSC holes, but all standard diameters than few best, and rest HSS. So it would be nice to have prices listed just to get some idea where you at, and then maybe get some additional discount. Same think with Kennametal, I can not see prices of theirs products.

I can't wait to see it in action to see what it can do.

I realize you guys are a marketing arm for most of the companies you work with, but this is simply blatant advertising. Disappointing. You should at least feign impartialness.

Didn't know about these, looks good. I'm looking at getting a new Mazak ez line, they are also breaking into the affordable market but still delivering a higher end product. I'll make some videos with it once I get it.

Titan in the future would you ever consider getting an Okuma?

If building better machine than haas was all it takes to beat them then someone would have done long ago. No upfront pricing. Hows dealer and tech infrastructure? How well are controllers integrated? How much customization you can do on it ? 4th and 5th axis integration ?

Happy new machine day man BOOM 💥! I am so Excited to have one of DN SULUTIONS ladies 🥰🥰🤩🤩🤩

Looks DN and Mazak are coming in to compete with Haas.

Does it run on single phase or three phase power?

Dnm is the new standard I work on two dns everyday that now have just shy of 200 hours and a horizontal from 2015

Is there a big cost difference between the old Ct40 and the Dual taper holders? Can you use regular Ct40 holders in it for things like simple drilling or something that doesn't require the rigidity or dual contact precision? Price or performance difference between the dual taper and just going Hsk?

have you ever thought about trying to machine wood? i mean, i know it works, i work in a pattern shop where we do it, but how fast can we go? how good of a finish is feasable to achieve? that would be interesting

I’ve sold all my Doosans. True story. I’ve sold all but one haas also but would buy more. Haas made more money in sale and I never had and problems with it. The Doosans were mediocre but the service was the worst bit. Basically ok but spares were fall off your chair expensive for no reason. Just my personal experience putting down my own cash over a decade of using them. Just buy a matsuura instead 😂

Frankly fed up with my company's haas. I'm repairing it every month

Just got a brand new DNM 6700 and cant wait to put my hands on it to make some good chips! First time on a machine of that caliber, any tip or trick about it? 😬

Also have a look on Tachyon series of Jyoti CNC @TITANS of CNC MACHINING

Really hope it will hold the price comparison when reachy the European shores...

What does anyone think of Hurco machines? Are they worth it?

I worked in a machine shop that made pride mobility and other power chairs for the elderly. They had all types of machinery to do the job including robot welders. I do miss working on metal sometimes.

What do you guys do with the machines that you want to retire? You should do giveaways for small businesses like me 🤣

i lost my mind to puma mx2100st... now i can't feel anything.

You have an amazing team.

These are the kinds of unboxings I like to see!

Haas has become so proprietary with there NGC. I can't even get to some of my parameters without the control key. As a manager it is very frustrating having to call them for simple stuff I can do.

How do you guys feel about hurco

How are these compared to Mazak?

They had to write haas on the side of the machine as they wouldn't have sold any if they wrote the word crap on it instead.

Where is the SVM4100 made? Is it an American machine?

Why don't you bolt your machined to the floor ?

So much for supporting American made though right.

Doosan is much better than Haas.

Seems like HAAS has really degraded over the years. When I was shopping machines I nearly bit off on a HAAS, luckily I saw Tom Bailey's videos and the hell he went through with them. I'd never own one today, not a new one anyway.

Not sure how you guys can make a profit with hand loading old fashioned 3 axis machines. Where’s the automation?

Haas is more for like a user friendly beginner machine they use haas machine for school environments FANUC control is where its at especially the later control panels are just amazing touch screen and all

You guys have a yasda?

MSRP is $78,500 per DN solutions website for the SVM4100

How much it cost for one machine

Where's it made?

asia is a very strong competitor in machine tool area