Is Hellebuyck to blame for loss to Avalanche? | OverDrive Hour 1 | 05-01-24

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Bryan Hayes, Jeff O’Neill and Jamie McLennan discuss a petition going around on X for Hayes not to be in attendance for Game 6 at Scotiabank Arena given the Maple Leafs home struggles, the Maple Leafs Game 5 win in Boston, John Tavares’ play on the overtime winner, the mentality of a Leafs fan envisioning a comeback and win the series and more. The boys also chat about whether or not Connor Hellebuyck should shoulder most of the blame for the Winnipeg Jets opening round loss to the Colorado Avalanche and they are joined by TSN Maple Leafs reporter Mark Masters to discuss the latest from Maple Leafs practice on the Game 6 status of Auston Matthews, the vibe of the team, the problems on home ice, the impact of Joseph Woll and more.

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@darthwispy
@darthwispy 14 күн бұрын
As an Avs fan you change goalies and nothing changes in that series. Colorado outplayed the defence and forwards in Winnipeg's zone. Can't blame the goalie when any other goalie would let in the same goals
@chemguy5468
@chemguy5468 13 күн бұрын
That got outplayed in every aspect of the game. Goal tending, offense, defense, special teams, and coaching. People can make arguments about who the better team is but I don't think there's even a conversation about who's mentally stronger
@canadianwinterpeg6310
@canadianwinterpeg6310 14 күн бұрын
All to blame? No. But he certainly shoulders some of it. The Hellebuyck can do no wrong attitude has to change. We had another starting backup we could have used in games 4 and 5. Hellebuycks not a playoff goalie. Stats tell the truth - he collapsed along with the rest of the team. The best of the best can find ways to win. IE Roy, Brodeur, Hasek, etc.
@wainber1
@wainber1 14 күн бұрын
Hellebuyck allowed quite a few ugly goals but I agree with you that by no means was he the ONLY reason the Jets find their season done after 5 playoff games and almost 30 goals (28 [24 excluding empty netters]) allowed. The segment on the Jets starts 19:45 into the broader OverDrive segment.
@canadianwinterpeg6310
@canadianwinterpeg6310 14 күн бұрын
@@wainber1 Thanks for your reply!
@Marixa1979
@Marixa1979 14 күн бұрын
I was so tired of Jets fans all season trying to make a case that the Jets were such a deep team and not one that just has an all world goaltender that carries the team. Now we see if the goalie has a few off games, there's just nothing else there, the defense sucks and the offense can't generate anything.
@benteke6948
@benteke6948 13 күн бұрын
The team is deep, defense might be mediocre instead of great but the problem is the god awful coach that every Dallas fan tried to warn Jets fans about. What kind of coach says during playoffs that he'd rather lose than change the way team does things? Bednar said Avalanche had to change their forecheck against Jets but their coach keep doing things the same exact way out of stubbornness and throws players under the bus (see Vegas last year).
@Marixa1979
@Marixa1979 13 күн бұрын
@@benteke6948 I don't know that you can say the team is deep and then say the defence is mediocre. I'm not sure you can blame this on the coach, though I'm sure he has a role to play, the players didn't bring enough effort when it was required.
@ozzydo2314
@ozzydo2314 13 күн бұрын
Not a jets fan but they did have 6 players score over 20 goals and they are in fact one of the most sound defensive teams in the league.
@Marixa1979
@Marixa1979 13 күн бұрын
@@ozzydo2314 You're looking at the regular season, they had players that played well at various times when the games didn't matter as much. Truly sound defensive teams don't usually give up 28 goals in 5 games when they matter most. Feels more like they relied heavily on a world class goaltender that faltered for 5 games and exposed the weaknesses.
@quincee3376
@quincee3376 13 күн бұрын
Norm MacDonald did a great impression of Bob Uecker on David Letterman. I highly recommend it. It's on KZfaq i think.
@MrNicolas61
@MrNicolas61 14 күн бұрын
It wasn't all on hellebuck. What happened was Colorado took hellebucks eyes away and Winnipegs D was too small to clear the front of the net out. Colorado knows how to take a goalies eyes away.
@DharmYogi
@DharmYogi 14 күн бұрын
Hellebuck has 3 of 4 last playoffs where his save percentage was below 900. Terrible. He is not a playoff goaltender. Sucks they are glued to a long contract. That’s is terrible. He is a nice guy but that contract will hurt them. They need some scoring power. They could make a trade for Marner for some good defensive players to the leafs.
@kierenfarrell4574
@kierenfarrell4574 14 күн бұрын
Nobody wants your heartless loser marner
@DaaaaaBears
@DaaaaaBears 14 күн бұрын
Whiteout might fuck up his vision
@dannyjackson5356
@dannyjackson5356 13 күн бұрын
what a horrific idea. Marner sucks, especially when it counts he is locker room cancer. The jets need defense clearly, and you would trade the only good d they have for mitch marner? what in the fuck?
@DharmYogi
@DharmYogi 14 күн бұрын
Cujo belfour potvin all were great goaltenders and that’s why we won in the playoffs. We never had such goaltender who can steal a game. Woll is the closest thing we got now. He can grow into that. We need to slowly improve the defence but with good goaltending we can cover up the mistakes with defence.
@twinesniper8247
@twinesniper8247 14 күн бұрын
I would honestly say Reimer almost carried us in 2013 to the second round I mean that team was not very good and we had good goaltending for the most part and look where it got us… we shouldn’t have made it past 5 games
@TheBigfootsfeet
@TheBigfootsfeet 13 күн бұрын
@@twinesniper8247reimer got shafted by the Leafs. That 2013 team shouldn’t have been in the playoffs and he got them there. Then the entire team collapses and he got the blame and they replaced him with Bernier
@MisterMister5893
@MisterMister5893 14 күн бұрын
There's no sugar coating, Samsonov is streaky. The goals he's allowed in these playoffs were suspect. Yes, he played well in game 2 but you need a goalie to play well for 16 games to win the prize. By this percentage, Samsonov will give you 1 good game for every 3 bad or average games; that's just not good enough.
@DharmYogi
@DharmYogi 14 күн бұрын
Completely agree with you
@Channel_35mm
@Channel_35mm 13 күн бұрын
The Laffs could have prime dominik hasek in net and they’d still find a way to lose
@EmitRelevart
@EmitRelevart 13 күн бұрын
1:12 _"Don't step on the crack, or you'll break your mother's back"_ 👵🏻So we used to avoid stepping on the cracks in the sidewalks (the joints were okay since they weren't officially "cracks"). I grew up in Ontario and heard that saying as a kid back in the 60's, so it's not a Western thing. I've never heard Noodles version of it, though.
@bradbradbury8561
@bradbradbury8561 14 күн бұрын
A full team effort, depth players and a solid goaltending performance got them the win last night, and if their big boys continue to play and produce they'll get another win. The PP has to start converting and the PK has to be better, or that's going to be the end of them. Also we've see enough of Domi already to know that it's time to resign Max to 4m per × 5yrs already. He's not afraid to go to the greasy area's and dig out the puck, and he's a great set-up guy who can play center or on the wing, anywhere from the first line to the third. Give him his 4 million per year, on a 5 year deal, get it done already. Go Leafs Go
@HandShakeLineRespect
@HandShakeLineRespect 14 күн бұрын
There is no hindsight. I said to play WOLL before game 1. He had better numbers in his last 2 games than Sammy going into the playoffs and is the overall better goalie.
@StoicNature444
@StoicNature444 13 күн бұрын
I’m from Ontario and “step on the crack and break your mothers back” was alive and well here. 😅
@duke3196
@duke3196 13 күн бұрын
TSN Ive noticed you are not uploading overdrive audio to the website post show as fast as you normally do. Its been happening all week. Please upload quicker to the website so I can enjoy the show after work like I have been for years ...thanks👍🏼
@dangroz03
@dangroz03 13 күн бұрын
40:01 😂😂😂😂😂 O Dog always makes things funny they say he says words Slaaaay 😂😂😂😂
@jamiedempsey2183
@jamiedempsey2183 13 күн бұрын
Avs fan here. I'll give my series opinion on hellebuyck. Game 1: maybe he could've stopped goal 1, should've had goal 3 Game 2: goal 1 shouldnt happen, obviously goal 3 was on him Game 3: maybe goal 1 (poor rebound control) im not sure why he's on the ice for goal 3 but i don't know if it makes a difference Game 4: i think goal 3 is a save he should make (similar to game 1 goal 1) Game 5: goal 2 maybe a poke check to put the puck in the corner but i think thats hindsight Overall i think he cost them game 2 but i don't think the series was on him
@herpderp1750
@herpderp1750 14 күн бұрын
did Jeff Oniel drop a shit ton of weight?
@kevinstewart1285
@kevinstewart1285 14 күн бұрын
Yeah I saw him on a podcast talking about going to the gym three times a week and working with a personal trainer.
@carletonrutherford1799
@carletonrutherford1799 13 күн бұрын
21:56 When you got a guy who's a slam dunk Vezina winner....**Thatcher Demko has entered the chat**
@DharmYogi
@DharmYogi 14 күн бұрын
The one thing we can learn from last game is that rest of the team can play good given then chance so we can’t keep giving all the main minutes to the superstar. Mix up the lines and balance the time. These guys looked like Florida
@CalvinBiefeld
@CalvinBiefeld 14 күн бұрын
He is 2-8 with a .878 save percentage the past 2 playoffs...Idk why they didn't go with Brossoit in game 4 or 5.
@soulknife20
@soulknife20 13 күн бұрын
It wouldn't have mattered.
@paullacroix527
@paullacroix527 14 күн бұрын
No the team is not good enough. BTW, the fact that Joe Wall hadn't played b4 is another Keefe fail. If they lose the series he should be fired. If they win and lose against Florida he should be fired as well. He's made so many mistakes it's unbelievable. Not an NHL calibre coach.
@matthewsommerville8911
@matthewsommerville8911 13 күн бұрын
I respect you always going to bat for your fellow goalies Noodles.
@EminemDaGoat
@EminemDaGoat 14 күн бұрын
BRING ROB B TO TORONTA
@dannyjackson5356
@dannyjackson5356 13 күн бұрын
Absolutely not. people that dont understand why the regular season stats dont matter in the post season should learn from this series. Playoff hockey means there is no room 5 on 5. The avs were suffocating them offensively. Special teams and defense are crucial. Without those key components on lock you are leaving your goalie up to dry and exhausting the hell out of your defense. Simple as that. When you have a coach that rather play close to his chest than leave it all out on the line this is what you get. Bowness had every opportunity to get with his coaching staff and change the penalty kill all season long, as it didnt just suddenly start to be bad, it always has been.
@DharmYogi
@DharmYogi 14 күн бұрын
Leafs mental state is bad at home because of the pressure to win and rude remarks by fans during games when they fall behind. Fans need to support the team and team needs to stay away from media. They should not watch tv at all
@glenbarr8798
@glenbarr8798 14 күн бұрын
Partly but no. When you get the tiny bit of offence that the jets had then it comes down to scoring and putting up some goals. Basically none existent
@Aidan_minotii
@Aidan_minotii 13 күн бұрын
Short answer: yes he is, forst nhl team to let up 5+ goals in 5 playoff games
@philipsangalang5077
@philipsangalang5077 13 күн бұрын
If Hellebuyck had a 3.0 GAA, I suspect the series is still 4-1 Avalanche.
@pomerlain8924
@pomerlain8924 14 күн бұрын
Hellebuyck could have played better, but he's not the blame for the loss. The team in front failed him. They were constantly getting caved in because they couldn't manage the puck and kept losing battles. The number of high danger chances they kept giving up was shockingly bad. You keep giving up high danger chances, it will not matter who the goalie is, the puck is going into the net. In Game 4, there was a stretch in the first period where the Jets were outshot 13-1. The score could have been 10-1 if it wasn't for Hellebuyck. The Avs players just kept pushing the Jets' players off the puck like it was child's play.
@DharmYogi
@DharmYogi 14 күн бұрын
Noodles is covering for hellebuck. The guy sucked. He is to blame. Number 1 reason is him. It’s unacceptable. 3 of 4 last playoff years he has had less than 890 save percentage. Not possible to win with that kind of save percentage in playoffs.
@DharmYogi
@DharmYogi 14 күн бұрын
He is the vezna regular season but he is not a playoff goaltender
@therealbartkay4152
@therealbartkay4152 13 күн бұрын
O-dog pricking up on Ozempic
@jjjobin7124
@jjjobin7124 14 күн бұрын
Bob and dug skill Mork 👌
@steveb1962
@steveb1962 14 күн бұрын
Giving JT too much credit even though it was a great effort, but it was all on Swayman letting it go through crease.
@jjjobin7124
@jjjobin7124 14 күн бұрын
Captain cave puck 😢
@jjjobin7124
@jjjobin7124 14 күн бұрын
Hockey is a Hockey team coach ❤
@danielmaloney946
@danielmaloney946 13 күн бұрын
Noodles - listen to statistician Steve Valiquette on why Woll should have started from beginning and Samsonov is too inconsistent to be a playoff goalie AT ALL...Better yet - have him on the show to explain it to you..Woll got more difficult starts than Woll when he came back - but Keefe should have already known Woll was the guy - the only consistent high -level guy you have - and your job was to get Woll ready for playoffs.
@EmitRelevart
@EmitRelevart 13 күн бұрын
🐩Is the O-Dog okay? He looks sickly thin, bro
@jjjobin7124
@jjjobin7124 14 күн бұрын
True Ford 👍
@DharmYogi
@DharmYogi 14 күн бұрын
There is no way lefts would have been down 3-1 if Woll was in net. Samsonov was not good even last season. Save percentage below 890. Not acceptable. Caps gave up on him for the same reason. He has never stolen any games.
@mikechar17
@mikechar17 14 күн бұрын
Hellebuck seeing the bright lights, over a 5 gaa. He should have stood on his head and gave them a chance but he didnt. He cant win the vezina.
@SMONclips
@SMONclips 14 күн бұрын
O DOG looking slimmer
@chemguy5468
@chemguy5468 13 күн бұрын
It's quite humorous listening to the leafs media say the Boston fans are worried. The bruin fans are a lot of things but lacking confidence don't seem go be their thing, that's your thing.
@UrbanRail
@UrbanRail 14 күн бұрын
I wanted Winnipeg to advance. I feel bad for the fans
@bradbradbury8561
@bradbradbury8561 14 күн бұрын
Noodles fighting for his goalie union, lol.
@markzoned
@markzoned 13 күн бұрын
The answer to your video title is YES. Not 100% obviously, but certainly a good chunk. Hot goalies win cups for teams every season. Helle-overated never will.
@metalheadcol
@metalheadcol 13 күн бұрын
Kuemper was never "hot" when avs won the cup 2 years ago, made crucial saves at the right times and avs just outscored everyone they played against
@kj-xq7vj
@kj-xq7vj 13 күн бұрын
Avs offense is to blame
@stephen686
@stephen686 14 күн бұрын
noodles in a bad mood lol
@flamingbeaver9414
@flamingbeaver9414 14 күн бұрын
The fans are to blame
@TheBadonski
@TheBadonski 14 күн бұрын
If you think Helly is the reason they lost you weren't watching.
@scooter29
@scooter29 13 күн бұрын
Samsonov was better. That’s how bad Hellebuyck was.
@jjjobin7124
@jjjobin7124 14 күн бұрын
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@jeffreyhornblower6515
@jeffreyhornblower6515 13 күн бұрын
i am and avs fan but it was men against boys, hayes and odog always blame goalies, goalies cant make saves all the time, the team defense sucked, the avs destroyed the defensive game of the jets if the jets kept them more out side and trapped the neutral zone it would have been closer, hayes and odog saying that makar shot cant go in i would bet any money that that shot gos in on any goaile i was a seeing i shot and the release angle was crazy, if the team infront of the goalie sucks the goalie is gonna suck also and the jets sucked that series
@Woody13ify
@Woody13ify 13 күн бұрын
Noodles in the goalies union 😏🤣, everytime I defend a netminder I always got u a goalie and u in the goalie union 😏, yes Hellerbuyck didn’t play as consistent and as good as he has in the past or can but he still made some outstanding saves and was unlucky on a few goals but bcoz he never stole a game and he is getting the Vezina again this year he is going to get the most criticism the buck 😜 stopped with him so to speak 😏 but his team didn’t really help him the Jets had depth they had I think 12 players who had double digit goals, the better D & far better netminder or was it that they just lost to the SC champs again 🤔 crazy series didn’t the Jets totally outplay AVs in regular season beating them 7-0, I’m not convinced with Georgiev I need to see him against Vegas to make my mind up Avs can beat Oilers, Panthers or Canes, imagine playing NY in SC finals going back to play his former team I got a sneaky feeling it could be a repeat of the 96 SC finals, but Georgiev is no Patrick Roy & but SB is probably as good if not better than the Beezer!
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@jjjobin7124 14 күн бұрын
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@jjjobin7124 14 күн бұрын
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@Woody13ify
@Woody13ify 13 күн бұрын
If Leafs had CH I’m sure we stuff Boston we will take him, Jets played shite in front of him!
@steverobinson8771
@steverobinson8771 13 күн бұрын
Rags fans are ALWAYS whining about the play-offs... one way or another. Just SHUT UP and beat the team in front of you!
@steverobinson8771
@steverobinson8771 13 күн бұрын
The Leafs didn't win game 5... the Bruins lost it. Colorado are going to the final to play Florida.
@metalheadcol
@metalheadcol 13 күн бұрын
Ooo a repeat of 95/96, wonder if the avs would sweep them again like last time 😂😂
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@jjjobin7124 14 күн бұрын
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@193ksp
@193ksp 13 күн бұрын
Is this even a question? He couldn’t stop a nosebleed! Jets are a poverty franchise
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@insertlastname 14 күн бұрын
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@jjjobin7124 14 күн бұрын
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@therealbartkay4152
@therealbartkay4152 13 күн бұрын
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@jjjobin7124 14 күн бұрын
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@Johnny-Rock-Star
@Johnny-Rock-Star 13 күн бұрын
My god man please stop with all the comments. It’s a mental instability
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@jjjobin7124 14 күн бұрын
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@richardtherichard26
@richardtherichard26 14 күн бұрын
No way hellebuyck can be blamed. The Avs are just fucking relentless. Dude was facing 40 shots a night
@huntingking23
@huntingking23 14 күн бұрын
O-dog sounds worse everyday talking about people. He wasn't a top tier player lmao
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@jjjobin7124 14 күн бұрын
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@ZapperJohn
@ZapperJohn 14 күн бұрын
Jets lost because they sucked!
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@andrewgreen815
@andrewgreen815 14 күн бұрын
Colorado is to blame. If the supporting cast to the big 3 hadn't played their collective asses off and scored all those goals, we would be advancing, not the Avalanche.
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