If White Palace was more of a challenge that you could do for "fun" as opposed to locking the true ending behind it, I'd have less issues with it.

I have a growing folder of Sopranos Clips to throw into videos.

I didn't even bother with the Path of Pain. White Palace is enough for me.

Path of Pain was actually great. I hated most of it playing through it the first time, but looking back and playing it again I can see just how fair it actually is with the difficulty.

Silksong soon...

Thanks! Yeah, there's that relief of finding him that's makes me so happy, but I can see why people can get upset. Recently came across your channel, anyone who covers The Dig in-depth is good in my books!

It's in that Dark Souls mould of being super vague to find things out.

K, here we go. Cornices in Fog Canyon. This was the least fun experiences for me, but it wasn’t all that bad really. Seeing the shadow gate closing off the map really helped me remember where the shade cloak would be important once I got it though, and it was a great design choice. My personal favorite charm build is Kingsoul, Spell Twister, Shaman Stone, and Grubsong/Dream Wielder interchangeably. Very strange, I know but it’s something different and unique and opens up a whole new play style. Favorite bosses are Sister of Battle, I love the ramp in difficulty from the Mantis Lords and it is so fun. Hive Knight, the OST is amazing and the personality of the fight is great, and finally the Mantis Lords, the fight has great atmosphere and theming as well as not being too easy. And finally, my favorite fan theory is that we’re somehow seeing a stag from Hallownest in Silksong. This game is great, my personal favorite, I’ve pitched this game to almost all of my friends with varying levels of success.

Neat

Thanks! Gotta have something to pass the time until Silksong.

agree on dung defender, also one of my favourite areas in the game. I have a love/hate relationship with trial of the fools but I appreciate it for its challenge--most other bosses in the game including dung defender I beat on my first try, mainly for a lack of phases. trial of the fools is so long it really tests your endurance and patience when you fail. there's a sense of progression each time you return with new charms/abilities, each time a little closer to success.

That's a really interesting story with the Dung Defender. Looking at what Team Cherry was going for, keeping the player more in the dark about where to go (especially in comparison to other metroidvanias) did lead to friends or others to drop the game from what I've seen in discussion.

Thanks!

It's fine, I just hate how it locks out the true final boss as a result.

Does the word Hiveblood mean anything to you?

Beyond the big classics like Super Metroid and SOTN? This, Ori, Axiom Verge. Been replaying the prime games as well.

Why are you thinking of quitting 15 hours in as opposed to a couple of hours in?

@@BoulderPunch I knew the game would take a long time. Therefore it's not reasonable to think you understand what it's all about after just a few hours. Also, i payed 6 bucks for this. :P

Okay, 20 hours in and i'm slowly, admittedly late, realizing that nothing in this game appears to be of consequence. You just walk around, setting your own goals, but in the end all you accomplish is kill enemies, gain Geo, Charms, Skills, and so on, but you don't actually progress in the game. You don't get the impression that all of this is leading somewhere. The last 7 hours, which is the WHOLE length of other games, i did nothing but fuck around, discovering areas that all turned out to be dead ends. I just discovered the arena, but didn't care to fight in it at first because it's most likely optional anyway. Killing the nimble bug behind it certainly was. I was planning on visiting the arena again next because i have no idea what else to do at this point, but when i realized how fucking long the way to get there was (because i STILL don't have the ability to dash great distances), i quit the game. Fuck. This. Shit.

@Pogsii ah yes, the good ole' call him a filthy casual and then expect him to read the rest of your comment tactic. Works every time

I need to git gud like Hornet says.

Can you recommend some? Of the games you said are better than this?

@@barbosar6667 I can immediately tell you now, but first, give my comment like and answer back to me then I will tell you a lot! Metroidvania is a subgenre of platform games. 😇Old and new metroidvania which are all platformers, I have it in my list.

@@awakenedsoul2638 sure

@@barbosar6667 Man!!!!!!! I typed a lot to tell you the Metroidvanias that are Hollow Knight Killers and is not posted?! IT WAS A COMPLETE WASTE OF MY TIME. This is a reset or re-typing of what I first typed. It took you 21 Hours to do what I told you. Just saying man! I will type these games short because my first type, I explained a lot but was not posted AAAHHHH DAMN WHAT IS HAPPENING TO KZfaq!? The games are as follows: Wonder Boy: The Dragon's Trap - Originally released in the late 80's for the SEGA Master System. You can play the game in its remastered new graphics and sound and music or play its original Master System Graphics, sound & music. This is an option you can quickly change while playing the game or in the options. Monster Boy And The Cursed Kingdom - ABSOLUTE HOLLOW KNIGHT KILLER All Shantae games! This game have many sequels. The Protagonist is a human girl and half-genie. Touhou Luna Nights programmed by Team Ladybug. Short Game But has the potential to be a Hollow Knight Killer if Team Ladybug will do it better in the sequel. Valdis Story: Abyssal City programmed by Endless Fluff Games. This was released last September 2013. AN ABSOLUTE HIDDEN GEM and four years ahead before Hollow Knight. People who knows this game like me HAVE THIS GREAT DESIRE FOR THIS GAME TO HAVE A SEQUEL! PLAY THIS AND YOU WILL AGREE! Recent Metroidvania Releases: Gleam Light - many people labelled this game as a HK clone while it is not! The game's art style is glass motif gothic. The only similarity is it looks grim and dark in graphics but the entire design of the game is different. A WASTED POTENTIAL! This could be on a highest level if the programmers have more money and time on their hands to make it a lot better! ENDER LILIES: Quietus of the Knights Wonder Boy Asha in Monster World - a girl protagonist that is a sequel to the The Dragon's Trap. Flynn: Son Of Crimson - ABSOLUTE HOLLOW KNIGHT KILLER! Record of Lodoss War-Deedlit in Wonder Labyrinth - by team lady bug. There is some similarities to Touhou by hearing the sound and looking at the graphics and some game mechanics. If this will be programmed better this could be an ABSOLUTE HOLLOW KNIGHT KILLER! THERE ARE A LOT OF GAMES TO SAY But for now. I want you to download and play my recommendations! Hollow Knight is treated by many as the God of metroidvania and is the pioneer. NO IT IS NOT! As the name of the genre goes, Castle Vania and Metroid that was first released on NES and Family Computer are the pioneers of the Action Adventure Platformer. Metroidvania is a 2D side scrolling Action Adventure Platformer. It is a subgenre of Platformer just like RTS Real Time Strategy now have a sub genre of Tower Defense Since 2009. The word metroidvania got its name from Castlevania and Super Metroid fused together with a map exploration and collecting secrets by discovering hidden rooms behind breakable walls or in some other way to get there. These two games are the pioneer of the genre since the late 80's.

@@barbosar6667 Man!!!!!!! I typed a lot to tell you the Metroidvanias that are Hollow Knight Killers and is not posted?! IT WAS A COMPLETE WASTE OF MY TIME. This is a reset or re-typing of what I first typed. It took you 21 Hours to do what I told you. Just saying man! I will type these games short because my first type, I explained a lot but was not posted AAAHHHH DAMN WHAT IS HAPPENING TO KZfaq!? The games are as follows: Wonder Boy: The Dragon's Trap - Originally released in the late 80's for the SEGA Master System. You can play the game in its remastered new graphics and sound and music or play its original Master System Graphics, sound & music. This is an option you can quickly change while playing the game or in the options. Monster Boy And The Cursed Kingdom - ABSOLUTE HOLLOW KNIGHT KILLER All Shantae games! This game have many sequels. The Protagonist is a human girl and half-genie. Touhou Luna Nights programmed by Team Ladybug. Short Game But has the potential to be a Hollow Knight Killer if Team Ladybug will do it better in the sequel. Valdis Story: Abyssal City programmed by Endless Fluff Games. This was released last September 2013. AN ABSOLUTE HIDDEN GEM and four years ahead before Hollow Knight. People who knows this game like me HAVE THIS GREAT DESIRE FOR THIS GAME TO HAVE A SEQUEL! PLAY THIS AND YOU WILL AGREE! Recent Metroidvania Releases: Gleam Light - many people labelled this game as a HK clone while it is not! The game's art style is glass motif gothic. The only similarity is it looks grim and dark in graphics but the entire design of the game is different. A WASTED POTENTIAL! This could be on a highest level if the programmers have more money and time on their hands to make it a lot better! ENDER LILIES: Quietus of the Knights Wonder Boy Asha in Monster World - a girl protagonist that is a sequel to the The Dragon's Trap. Flynn: Son Of Crimson - ABSOLUTE HOLLOW KNIGHT KILLER! Record of Lodoss War-Deedlit in Wonder Labyrinth - by team lady bug. There is some similarities to Touhou by hearing the sound and looking at the graphics and some game mechanics. If this will be programmed better this could be an ABSOLUTE HOLLOW KNIGHT KILLER! THERE ARE A LOT OF GAMES TO SAY But for now. I want you to download and play my recommendations! Hollow Knight is treated by many as the God of metroidvania and is the pioneer. NO IT IS NOT! As the name of the genre goes, Castle Vania and Metroid that was first released on NES and Family Computer are the pioneers of the Action Adventure Platformer. Metroidvania is a 2D side scrolling Action Adventure Platformer. It is a subgenre of Platformer just like RTS Real Time Strategy now have a sub genre of Tower Defense Since 2009. The word metroidvania got its name from Castlevania and Super Metroid fused together with a map exploration and collecting secrets by discovering hidden rooms behind breakable walls or in some other way to get there. These two games are the pioneer of the genre since the late 80's.

Why do you see it as the worst Metroidvania you nkow?

This is the first Metroidvania that made me feel that i'm going somewhere wrong even when i go somewhere i need to go. (Well, also Dark Souls did that, but it's debatable if it's Metroidvania). Whenever game subtly suggests me going "There" i'm going anywhere but "there" to find tasty things in the corners... and then i ended up getting Dream Nail before going to Fungal Wastes because i just happened to have enough money for flashlight and i decided to explore Crystal Caves as far as i could, because i believed that i would hit a dead end... and when i got to Graveyard and got Dream Nail i was like "WTH, isn't that supposed to be a plot item?! Did i sequence break? So wait, i weren't suppoed to go to fungal wastes?! I was supposed to go there? Or wait, not there?" And after getting Mantis Claw and defeating Mantis Lords (With Base Nail, btw), i did not go to Deepnest. And i also ignored City of Tears and it's sewers. I did open City of Tears to make a shortcut to Crossroads from that though. But afterwards i have gone again towards Crystal Caves, got Super Dash... and then use it to get to Blue Lake, then down to City of Tears from that and i was like "Hmm, i guess i will be at Watcher's soon" and then found a way down that leads to a long drop down to Ancient Basin... that made me uncomfortable as heck. "Wait-wait-wait! I feel like it's a late game area, aren't i'm too early here!? I haven't awakened neither of the dreamers!" and then fought Lost Kin and got Double Jump. Then returned to City of Tears and was like "Phew, now time to awaken the Watcher Dreamer" ...and then found a way below stag station on the east that leads towards Kingdom's End. Yet again i felt "WHAT THE HELL!? I AM DEFINETELY NOT SUPPOSED TO BE HERE!" And then fought Hornet and got King's Crest. "Hm... this is clearly a story item. ...Aren't i got it too early though?" IT WAS AMAZING. I never played another Metroidvania that made me feel this way! And i've played a lot. Including all 2D Metroids and most 2D Castlevania-Metroidvanias. And Axiom, and Blind Forest and Will of the Wisps. They never made me feel as i am actually exploring stuff on my own not being bound by story.

This is one of the best games ever. Not metroidvanias, not souls like (god I hate that term, did Dark Souls invent difficulty? I THINK NOT) Hollow Knight is simply one of the best games I have ever played.

@@sharkastic2633 Souls-likes are called this way not because of difficulty. Same as Metroid did not invent non-linear exploration platformers. As Metroidvanias are called this way for sharing exploration style of Metroid and Castlevania, same as Souls-likes are called this way for Checkpoints that make enemies respawn and giving player ability to recollect lost money by finding their corpse.

@Crimson Knight It's not just the checkpoints. Shovel Knight is by no means a "souls-like". It's specifically five things in order of importance: 1. Dodge roll with invincibility frames. 2. Stamina system. 3. Checkpoints and recoup your money/xp system. 4. Item and environment based storytelling. 5. Challenging gameplay. Not just hard, as you can easily make any game hard like kaizo games.

It’s not very similar to those games except for some mechanics. How does it look anything like the souls games? The art styles are completely different.

The term Soulslike is a bad thing in my opinion, it assumes that Dark Souls in the only good game that is hard and everything else is simply following in this footsteps. Hollow Knight is, in my humble opinion, far far better than Dark Souls.

Meteoidvania is less bad because it is the best *aspects* of Metroid and Castlevania.

@@sharkastic2633 that's not what soulslike means, like at all