Is Hyperbloom Misunderstood? by a calm streamer

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7 ай бұрын

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"in the end of the stream, zy0x cleared abyss with purely hyperbloom reaction which barbara onfield with yao yao, dmc, kuki."
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@yuugael4010
@yuugael4010 7 ай бұрын
Feels like the video is just about him hating something popular
@normal.zy0x
@normal.zy0x 7 ай бұрын
"JJK is bad anime", "Elden ring is the worst game ever". ppl be like that.
@moritz4026
@moritz4026 7 ай бұрын
I wouldnt necessarily say so, id say to an extent hyperbloom really does get overhyped. I think the point was really just to put into perspective that hyperbloom teams are just another good archetype. as for the "its not really low investment" take, thats just kinda misguided
@punga6102
@punga6102 7 ай бұрын
@@moritz4026 so whats the matter with that? its still one of the cheapest options. for a new player, they can build a team with very basic units around hyperbloom and it will work pretty well, and for a older player who already has a lot of meta characters, they can just use hyperbloom as side damage. Yeah it might not be as good as they point it out to be, but none of the point this guy made are enough to debunk hyperbloom being so good. he literally just pointed out the 3 cons it has, which most people who ever talk about HB deny
@TeeDoogy
@TeeDoogy 7 ай бұрын
just another clickbait andy
@isgonnabeagreatyear
@isgonnabeagreatyear 7 ай бұрын
@@punga6102playing hyperbloom without the meta characters is just painful. kuki, raiden, xq, yelan are all good units, without them hyperbloom teams really just suck. old players forgot that fishing for a specific 4* is hard, and its generally better for new players to focus on what banner they started the game with and build accordingly. people are running around recommending hyperbloom and when you look at their team, its nahida raiden/kuki xq and not dmc razor barb, you dont put 3 bad units in a team and rely solely on the reaction.
@yII94Kaa
@yII94Kaa 7 ай бұрын
I can't take it anymore. I'm sick of Xiangling. I try to play Diluc. My Xiangling deals more damage. I try to play Yoimiya. My Xiangling deals more damage. I try to play Cyno. My Xiangling deals more damage. I don't even try to play Dehya. I want to play Klee. Her best team has Xiangling. I want to play Raiden, Childe - they both want Xiangling. She grabs me by the throat. I fish for her. I cook for her. I give her the Catch. She isn't satisfied. I pull Engulfing Lightning. "I don't need this much er" She tells me. "Give me more field time." She grabs Bennett and forces him to throw himself off enemies. "You just need to funnel me more. I can deal more damage with Homa." I can't pull for Homa, I don't have enough primogems. She grabs my credit card. It declines. "Guess this is the end." She grabs Gouba. She says "Gouba, get them." There is no hint of sadness in her eyes. Nothing but pure, no icd pyro application. What a cruel world.
@yII94Kaa
@yII94Kaa 7 ай бұрын
OPPA
@enntsuuoo
@enntsuuoo 7 ай бұрын
As I walk through abyss with Eula in my team
@damselettefan
@damselettefan 7 ай бұрын
guba😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😦😦😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😦😮😮😦😦😮😮😮😮😮😮😦😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😦😮😮😮😮
@minananano
@minananano 7 ай бұрын
Displaying her mastery over both fire and polearms, Xiangling sends a Pyronado whirling around her. The Pyronado will move with your character for the ability's duration, dealing Pyro DMG to all opponents in its path.
@TyujVerEpi
@TyujVerEpi 7 ай бұрын
tell me why xiangling is so op
@Kkuroshiro
@Kkuroshiro 7 ай бұрын
As someone who once used a 4 star em piece on sucrose swirl team, I can confirm the 48 em loss doesn't matters.
@HearMeLearn
@HearMeLearn 7 ай бұрын
yeah one of my sucrose pieces is 4 star and it literally does not matter
@undeniablySomeGuy
@undeniablySomeGuy 7 ай бұрын
Literally 2 substat rolls lmfao it doesn't matter like at all
@zeromailss
@zeromailss 7 ай бұрын
honestly even 200 EM loss isn't a big deal, anything pass 750 em is whatever. Having your bloom trigger 1k+em is ideal cuz of how easy and accessible it is to reach that with just set and main stat but 750 em bloom will have similar clear time for non speedrunner and meta slave.
@shimmering_starlights
@shimmering_starlights 7 ай бұрын
My Kazu still using a 4 star EM piece only to get the 4VV buff can confirm..
@sachizu
@sachizu 7 ай бұрын
@@shimmering_starlightssame same. using a 4* gob + favge for my kazu.
@marcusshane
@marcusshane 7 ай бұрын
Video guy missed the main points in favour of Hyperbloom: 1. Easy as fuck to play 2. Generally incorporates a healer as Kuki, Yao² or Baizhu so chars don't die easily 3. Achieving 600+ Em is very easy, (2pc+2pc included) you get 165-200 em just from weapon alone. 4. You can passively farm Gilded em sands, gob, circ while building your Dendro char with 4pc Deepwood.
@stargazersdance
@stargazersdance 7 ай бұрын
Yao squared
@UryuCifer
@UryuCifer 7 ай бұрын
​@stargazersdance i swear it takes like 10 times more effort to put the square than just to say the second yao 😂
@nandha-one9819
@nandha-one9819 7 ай бұрын
​@@UryuCiferchad
@marcusshane
@marcusshane 7 ай бұрын
@@UryuCifer 🗿
@xehant7319
@xehant7319 7 ай бұрын
I remember one day Zajeff cleared a floor blindfolded because this team is that OP
@user-cq4nq8dd3e
@user-cq4nq8dd3e 7 ай бұрын
Compared to most clips this is surprisingly sane
@April2x
@April2x 7 ай бұрын
I'm 99% that video was made as bait to get people to write comments so they farm interactions, I remember myself seeing it very early on and wanting to leave a comment to dispute many of the arguments but caught myself in time and didn't do it. Like sure it's a viable way of getting attention on youtube but it feels quite scummy
@yuugael4010
@yuugael4010 7 ай бұрын
Agree seems like a bad way to get frequent viewer, I mean sure you get a lot of viewer but generally people will want an actual advice instead of a rant, like zajeff do a lot of ranting but his video have actual info, I mean jello impact does clickbait title but give reasonable and very useful info albeit a little exaggerate, while this guy video feels just like a rant about hating something popular
@sefjo5223
@sefjo5223 7 ай бұрын
@@yuugael4010 dude barely has subs to compare to zajeff. Zajeff has a reputation to uphold and this guy can say batshit and his reputation would stay moderately the same. Two of his arguments of farming hyperbloom team and its low investment threshold have miscontextualized semantics that were unclear. Hence, the ranty nature.
@prinnyDooD.
@prinnyDooD. 7 ай бұрын
it is just a bait vid.. he even admits it on jsterns stream
@mugwump17
@mugwump17 7 ай бұрын
Very true...
@R4vel
@R4vel 7 ай бұрын
SCUMMY????????????? LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@Nowaylarry
@Nowaylarry 7 ай бұрын
The greatest value of hyperbloom teams is that is shores up skill issue. Many players can't handle complex, tightly timed rotations while also dodging or trying to manually group enemies. Most hyperbloom teams have very flexible rotations. Mr Socks is correct about the investment debate. 2pc/2pc is enough and much much easier to get. Also, a 4* goblet isn't much of a loss.
@cozyhannah2
@cozyhannah2 7 ай бұрын
Also it's near impossible to fuck up a hyperbloom rotation especially with kuki. Like in melt and vape teams it matters so much more lmao
@conorclancy6291
@conorclancy6291 7 ай бұрын
Some of chat got real dense at the end lol, you can totally get away with a 4 star artifact and clear floor 12. You want your HB trigger to have ~1000 EM or as close as you can get but you can achieve that with 2x 2p sets, the Instructors buff... Etc. is it IDEAL? No. But that's what Zyox is saying about the Hyperbloom "floor", because a scuffed HB setup where the only thing you really focus on is the HB trigger's EM is still *good enough* to clear most content, including Abyss floors. I didn't play through all of Sumeru and had to learn all this from scratch when I returned, but I could easily slap 2pc/2pc EM on Kuki and use her to HB my way through one side of the Abyss, using artifacts I got naturally while farming bosses. And even putting its potency aside, last thing is that it's not that HB is low investment in a vacuum. It's that a HB setup is almost bound to come together *by accident* while either farming different resources or just putting a good team together which happens to consist of a Hydro/Dendro or Dendro/Electro core.
@hollow.shadow
@hollow.shadow 7 ай бұрын
There isn't a slot for instructor. yelan XQ are on emblem, nahida is on deepwood and kuki is on FLOP/guilded/2pc2pc.
@conorclancy6291
@conorclancy6291 7 ай бұрын
There is more than one HB team, lol. Not everyone has both Yelan and XQ, not everyone will want to run them both on that same HB team... you're kind of furthering my point by tunnel-visioning into the True Top HB team (Yelan/Xq/Nahida/Kuki) and ignoring other ways it can work and be good enough. Like In the specific comp you reference, yeah duh no one there wants Instructors. But there are other Hydro/Dendro/Electro teams where one unit CAN hold them, or your flex can, or whatever. @@hollow.shadow
@tonydai782
@tonydai782 7 ай бұрын
@@hollow.shadow Yes, surely when people say hyperbloom is low investment, they're referring to the one with 2 of the best five stars in the game.
@user-qc1ff3st7r
@user-qc1ff3st7r 7 ай бұрын
@@hollow.shadowit’s like you didn’t even watch the video lmao
@hollow.shadow
@hollow.shadow 7 ай бұрын
@@conorclancy6291 im only refering to double hydro hyperbloom because its the most popular version and the one that gets the most praise. Is there a hyperbloom team in mind that you are thinking of that use instructors? I'm only saying this because instructor is a great set that is just difficult to slot in hyperbloom teams.
@killea1755
@killea1755 7 ай бұрын
scara set for me is like vermilion for zyox that's why i have 4pc flop on my kuki
@kammie225
@kammie225 7 ай бұрын
desert farmers for scara rise up
@marqkc
@marqkc 6 ай бұрын
This is literally me and I hate it. My Kuki is eerily close to 1k EM on Flop on a 4 star weapon, meanwhile my Scara is coping on a 210CV set with negative ER....... 😭
@GrumpigFan
@GrumpigFan 4 ай бұрын
I shouldve farmed shimwnawa....
@ique8698
@ique8698 4 ай бұрын
@@marqkcn no p m
@Qkochan3
@Qkochan3 7 ай бұрын
nah the "ZOMG EM SO RARE MAIN STAT" bullshit argument is so stupid. with the amount of em buffers, em weapons, dendro resonance, and instructor set, you can easily hit the cap or threshold needed for em for hyperbloom to do well and also you dont NEED the flop set either. its like 8% increase? or less from guilded which youre already farming for your precious HYPERCARRIES like alhaitham and cyno (if ur not cool and using tf). im shocked he didnt say, since this is from the perspective of a new player, that the resource needed for level 90 characters is insane at the start as opposed to just rando artifacts.
@blacksuitedsonic
@blacksuitedsonic 7 ай бұрын
For some reason everyone forgets not everyone even has the good hyperbloom units. I didn'T get lucky and only have lisa who could do it. I tried her and its barely functional and akward to play. Why does everyone just assume you have kuki? I am a new player and don't have kuki and the banner didn'T get me her either. I am pity now and want to keep it for someone else. So who else is there? lisa? electro mc? I also have never seen an em goblet up to now. In total i have maybe seen 10 em pieces overall. + I don'T want alhaitham or cyno either so the domain is not that great either. I tried giving her magic guide since it is the highest em f2p weapon. Have you guys ever taken the perspective from a new player? It feels horrible to play and its not fun at all. Damage is also dogshit.
@blobofmeatwhoexist8460
@blobofmeatwhoexist8460 7 ай бұрын
​@@blacksuitedsonicwaht?! Like seriously what is your argument, look I'm gonna give your first argument some merit to it, yes it's weird people assume new player have the same 4 star as old player I'll give you that, but like if we're talking about team then literally that argument works for all team, talk about 4 star international = assuming new player had xq, sucrose and chongyun, like it literally works for all team no matter how you slice it. Your second point is you barely see em mainstat, but like my brother, it's harder to gain a right mainstat and double crit then just the right mainstat, also I never understand your argument about not farming gilded cause you didn't have alhaitam or cyno, motherfucker then farm it for your hyperbloom then like bruh, beside deepwood is quite literally vv for dendro, so you are literally farming for dendro vv and gilded dream making it a great domain, And also newer player rarely care about meta or the greatest character cause as you put it, not all people have this character. And I know your last line is lying lmaoo, just cause you didn't want to invest on your hyperbloom team that doesn't mean hyperbloom damage suck, sure YOUR hyperbloom damage suck, not the whole reaction though
@blacksuitedsonic
@blacksuitedsonic 7 ай бұрын
@@blobofmeatwhoexist8460 international is even dumber then hyperbloom. Its not accessible to new players at all either. Locked behind multiple consts and high investment for good damage. And oh now you need investment into hyperbloom when literally everyone says it costs nothing and everyone can do it? Already have a decent deepwood set for collei and don't see a point in farming that domain any further. For who? Yes i should have mentioned with my setup the damage was dogshit because in order to trigger the cores with lisa you have to line up every core and charge attack it one by one(lisas high er requirements and her being solo electro only allowed me to burst every 2-3 rotations) and nobody else did any damage at all pretty much. Lisas high ER requirements didn't help either. Who else should i use for this insanely easy hyperbloom team everyone keeps talking about? Yes other teams require more investment but at least they are functional. Unless you have kuki or raiden, hyperbloom is below average and even your average only mainstat team is gonna do a lot more damage just doing "normal" reactions. I am just speaking from my experience as a 3 month player now which I would argue is pretty new. I recently got my first 36 star (without a hyperbloom team) and if i followed the "guides" to throw all my resin into gilded i am certain I wouldn't have a single functional team outside the cope lisa hyperbloom. Still have never seen a single em goblet
@blobofmeatwhoexist8460
@blobofmeatwhoexist8460 7 ай бұрын
@@blacksuitedsonic Firstly, nobody said hyperbloom need no investment, it is always describe as team building option with the LEAST amount of investment, see that word least, meaning it needed some sort of investment like who told you that? Also, "hyperbloom without kuki and Raiden is barely functional" wow man congratulations, you just discovered that hyperbloom wants a constant consistent aoe electro application, nice job, never understand your argument here, international wouldn't work without childe, hutao double hydro wouldn't work without hutao, so is it now somehow wrong for hyperbloom to not work without Raiden or kuki? Heck at least with hyperbloom there is a 4 star equivalent, can you say that with childe and hutao in their respective team? No. Look I understand that you didn't like hyperbloom, but for newer player who had the character, it is an incredible team that literally only need artifact set bonus at early game, I literally farmed lvl 90 domain with my level 70ish team just with hyperbloom, obviously I understand that not all people will have the character but for those who did, it IS an incredible LOW investment team
@dimyog
@dimyog 7 ай бұрын
​​@@blacksuitedsonicthere are plenty of hyperbloom teams that don't need kuki. you can also use sucrose/kazuha/heizou with em vv artifacts and fischl. In this case even if you don't farm gilded for the anemo character, you could STILL farm deepwood for the dendro unit and use gilded for fischl which still support the idea of the domain being efficient to farm for "passively getting" em pieces
@shantanukandwal91
@shantanukandwal91 7 ай бұрын
My guy really put barbara in a hyperbloom team coz he knew if he replaced her with "one of the three xingquis" they would actually have enough hydro app for a viable hyprebloom team
@kinokochouchou
@kinokochouchou 7 ай бұрын
also, on field barbara is ok in hyperbloom. I genuenly run a team of dmc, barbara, kuki, yaoyao for a while. all em build. very fun team, not 3 star floor 12 worthy, but cleares floor 10 with ease
@leovu8500
@leovu8500 7 ай бұрын
he meant that hyperbloom alone cannot carry a team, you also need personal damage as well. also actually onfield barbara has the same amount of hydro app/s as a non c6 xingqiu
@tasha2749
@tasha2749 7 ай бұрын
The funny thing is, zyox actually do f12 3* with that team just to prove him wrong
@shantanukandwal91
@shantanukandwal91 7 ай бұрын
@leovu8500 You cant just say ohh this team wont be good if you remove the good characters from it. If it was all 5 stars I'd understand but hyperbloom is really good with just the 4 stars. Its the equivalent of saying "Ohh neuvillette teams wont be as good if neuvillette wasnt in them"
@ayseinsel895
@ayseinsel895 7 ай бұрын
@@kinokochouchouwhat does dmc mean??
@nk30020
@nk30020 7 ай бұрын
I actively spent 15k+ resin & fishing for the catch to build raiden for rational & hyper carry, then hyperbloom came & straight up powercrept it, I spent less than 3 weeks farming deepwood domain for Nahida (she still has a crappy build with 4* em sans) & my raiden automatically got 900+ em on a 4pc gilded with dragon's bane, now she's stuck being a hyperbloom bot until I get c2 (hopefully next patch).
@baconeko
@baconeko 7 ай бұрын
EM raiden is honestly the funniest thing to come out of dendro, literally completely ignores the entirety of her kit except for the fact that her skill has good off-field AoE xD you don’t even need ER in most HB teams
@choco7232
@choco7232 7 ай бұрын
Ngl I’ve been enjoying playing raiden with furina Jean and yelan much more than hypercarry just cuz there isn’t any overload that just knocks all the enemies away
@samuelchensantoso9677
@samuelchensantoso9677 7 ай бұрын
The only downside of EM Raiden is enemies with elemental shield, Raiden skill doesnt get trigger for some reason
@adrianpramadipta8631
@adrianpramadipta8631 7 ай бұрын
@@samuelchensantoso9677 basically its because raiden skills only triggers when you deal damage, reducing a shield doesnt deal damage. It is similar to how favonius and sac sword works
@flamezforthegamez1056
@flamezforthegamez1056 7 ай бұрын
You can actually enjoy best of both worlds through quickbloom Raiden. Either Yelan or Furina (Furina preferred), Nahida, Baizhu, and maybe a Gilded Dreams Raiden built the same you would with Emblem, or ER, EM, EM. I'd strive for 500 EM for Raiden, then let Nahida's EM buff plus Baizhu's A4 buff take care of the rest. It's a really nice team where the burst just doesn't feel like a waste and Nahida's burst doesn't behave as a selfsih buff for the dendro driver.
@TeeDoogy
@TeeDoogy 7 ай бұрын
Nice vid. Just one suggestion, I would put Zy0x 3-starring floor 12 with his budget hyperbloom team (DMC, Barbara, Yaoyao, Kuki) in the video, to prove his point. When the major damage proportion of the team is from hyperbloom, you can still clear the hardest content in the game, not to mention the 2nd boss of the abyss is dendro resistant.
@icekyuu
@icekyuu 7 ай бұрын
It wasn't included cuz he couldn't do it.
@cerpinthemute8774
@cerpinthemute8774 7 ай бұрын
@@icekyuu wdym? He literally did later in the stream, i saw it live
@user-sv5vj1mx4h
@user-sv5vj1mx4h 7 ай бұрын
@@icekyuu go watch zy0x archive. Otherwise don't talk without evidence
@guycrimson6885
@guycrimson6885 7 ай бұрын
@@icekyuu he did do it at the later part of the stream and he cleared it
@muhamwed
@muhamwed 7 ай бұрын
3 or 9 star?
@Margxela
@Margxela 7 ай бұрын
15:47 and even with this point it's not fully valid bc you're not just pulling for the stats for crit scalers you also have to roll them and hope they land into the right stats, with hypebloom sub stats can be completely ignored and it will still be comfortable.
@kippyxdd
@kippyxdd 7 ай бұрын
hyperbloom actually really helped me enjoy the game more, its very fun to play for me and i got so used to it. nahida changed basically everythin
@punga6102
@punga6102 7 ай бұрын
i liked the part where he made the dogshit HB team the guy said and it actually didnt perform terribly (only against the chicken who has dendro res) TBH id love to see what the guy said about national, and what team would he recommend if hyperbloom and national arent good
@katelynholmes9504
@katelynholmes9504 7 ай бұрын
Zy0x is like a whirpool that sucked us all into his chaos
@helper_bot
@helper_bot 4 ай бұрын
he's really good at sucking it seems
@ghengooni
@ghengooni 7 ай бұрын
I'm a relatively new player (started during the last kokomi banner and took a month break after). I was able to get 9* this abyss with DPS kokomi on one side and hyperbloom on the other with baizhu and a level 50 kuki (I just got her this banner). The floor for hyperbloom is so much higher than any other comp I've used (as a new player)
@neohecc2540
@neohecc2540 7 ай бұрын
zy0x mixed up with Golden Dreams and GIlded Troupe is the best thing in this video
@curryfishheadenjoyer
@curryfishheadenjoyer 20 күн бұрын
Ah yes my favourite set deepwood hunter
@mekinot
@mekinot 7 ай бұрын
As someone who's been trying to make functional teams (for the overworld even!) in two different baby accounts... hyperbloom is so fucking easy to build, and I'd say deepwood is still one of the most efficient domains in the game along with emblem. Fontaine's domain is good (I'm chained to it on my main account), but if you don't have Furina or any Fontaine character, the only characters that would really benefit from that domain are probably Fischl and Yae... and both of them can use gilded too lol So yeah, speaking from personal experience, building hyperbloom on low AR accounts (or just accounts that have no characters built at all) is really easy and can help you clear most difficult content in the game with ease while you farm for other teams. Edit: I also forgot to comment this before, but to me it's absolutely insane that people are farming flop for hyperbloom... I thought people only did that if they wanted to build their Wanderer
@freekingfreaking246
@freekingfreaking246 7 ай бұрын
is that true? emblem domain only seems to be good for non hyperbloom raiden and the other set i had never even heard about before...
@Vmines7116
@Vmines7116 7 ай бұрын
​@@freekingfreaking246 many characters need emblem like Xiangling, Xingqiu, Beidou and many more. Also Shimenawa is usable for Normal Attack and Charge attack dps like Hu Tao, Wriothesley and Wanderer if you don't have a good set for their bis artifact sets.
@freekingfreaking246
@freekingfreaking246 7 ай бұрын
Really? I mean I have only recently gotten back into the game (I quit when inazuma uma came out), and so what you’re saying is my noblesse set on XQ is shit?
@mekinot
@mekinot 7 ай бұрын
​@@freekingfreaking246 it's not shit. Emblem might be his best in slot, but noblesse is still good. If you're farming other domains you can always throw your bad pieces in the alchemy table and get some emblem for XQ and Xiangling (if you use them). It helps them both with their ER needs.
@freekingfreaking246
@freekingfreaking246 7 ай бұрын
nice good idea@@mekinot
@JungKooksTwin
@JungKooksTwin 7 ай бұрын
gotta respect zyox for not liking reacting... react content is lame af.
@froggy1950
@froggy1950 7 ай бұрын
Yeah, react content has a time and place. It just depends on what the reactor is doing with the original video. This video is an example of a good reaction video. Zyox had a lot of commentary on the original video and added something that people might not have gotten from watching the original video on its own. This clip is three times longer than the original video as a consequence. People who just go "huh" or "wow" throughout a video that ends up being ten seconds longer than the original is a different story though.
@zuhaahmad
@zuhaahmad 7 ай бұрын
Yesss esp considering he'd actually be so good at it too, like he can make legit anything entertaining and funny but he still chooses to be unhinged all on his own, no crutches needed. A true king
@JungKooksTwin
@JungKooksTwin 7 ай бұрын
@@froggy1950 oh yeah he did great with it, i just think in general reactors is just a lazy way to make content and it seems zyox agrees which why he was sayin he doesnt like doin react shit.
@undeniablySomeGuy
@undeniablySomeGuy 7 ай бұрын
One of very few reactions I've seen where the reactor is actually adding more information than the video provides
@LolaLink
@LolaLink 7 ай бұрын
To be fair, as a pretty new player, hyperbloom was advertised by a lot of KZfaqrs as "so easy, just go to Gilded domain, resin efficient!" and I spent 40 fragile* resins to get 1 EM piece (and no 4 star pieces). After playing for a few more months, I now see how people can "build up" EM pieces, but it baffled me then how this was supposed to be efficient (I only needed two in-set EM options, substats don't matter!). Then when I could only 27 star the abyss with my Barbara/Collei/DMC/Kuki, I felt lied to, since everyone said as long as you have 1000 EM, you can 36 star the abyss. Kuki was 90, I had Deepwood and Instructors at level 1, and I hardly built talents on my other characters because those guides said that none of it mattered. I think there's a point to be made, but moreso in the communication of content creators. But those creators are just trying to get newer players with little game knowledge to give them views and likes. Hyperbloom is incredibly powerful, and I don't regret building my Kuki. But I also could have spent that resin in way better ways than fishing for EM pieces (which is what a lot of the content I consumed at the time said was easy to do). Obviously I learned a lot since then (35 stars in 3 months of playing and locked behind resin-caps to push out the additional damage), but I do think it's important to point out the clickbait creators are getting away with appealing info for new players by claiming that you "just" have to do this thing. Hyperbloom is still fantastic, but they left out a LOT of background info to the point that it actually hindered my progress. Edit: I wrote condensed, I meant fragile. Oop.
@hollow.shadow
@hollow.shadow 7 ай бұрын
Yea its exactly the point of the video. Barbara/Collei/DMC/Kuki is a team that comprises of only hyperbloom transformative dmg, which is just a bad team. Every good hyperbloom team has a combination of transformative and talent dmg, whether it is alhaitham, XQ/yelan, or even neuvillette. You dont simply build full em and call it a day. The problem has many layers, most content creators will never be able to emulate the real new player experience. I've seen a lot of "f2p 4 star only teams" that may or may not be made with good intentions, but these accounts are mostly day 1 accounts with c6 4 stars, multiple favonius at r5, and generally cracked artifacts. CCs also generally try to dissuade players from pulling 5 stars, but the reality is the game is rng as hell. Getting the good 4 stars means potentially pulling 5 stars as well (getting ayato/cyno while pulling XL/kuki). CCs need to stop pretending pulling 5 stars = spending money and 4 stars = f2p. Most f2p/new player accounts will have a combination of 5 star and 4 stars with low cons.
@milkyy4168
@milkyy4168 7 ай бұрын
It’s statistically more likely for you to get em though, since the traditional way of building characters not only needs good sub stats, but to roll properly. Also, just as it could be impossible for someone to get full em (my kazuha vv :( ), it could be impossible to get a crit rate circlet on crimson for hu tao. Or a damage bonus goblet. CCs are not wrong because rolling for hyperbloom is much easier than for a proper dps, and the argument of never getting that artifact applies to the whole game.
@zodalter
@zodalter 7 ай бұрын
It just sounds like you got really unlucky my guy ngl
@LolaLink
@LolaLink 7 ай бұрын
@@zodalter True, but had the information been presented like "you can use 2 piece 2 piece, then use offset" I could have cut my losses after getting one EM piece and went to farm a different domain where I would have had a chance of getting an EM offset as well as artifacts relevant to a different character. But that's not how some content creators present that information. That's basically the issue. I definitely got unlucky, but it wasn't exactly optimal.
@laughingd4518
@laughingd4518 7 ай бұрын
I would say u also need to build the other team not only ur hyperbloom. Idk cause i also built hyperbloom because of theocrafting recommendations before with kuki, kokomi, yaoyao, DMC and I clear pretty easily in the abyss with boss floors but probably also because I was using xiangling, Bennett, sucrose, rosaria on the other half so it's naturally fast. I had my first 36 stars when I first got xingqiu and added him to hyperbloom but he was only lv39, kokomi has lv1 clam artifacts and dmc only had skyrider sword. Kuki was the only one at lv90 800 em and I cleared full star abyss
@kombatluffy3424
@kombatluffy3424 7 ай бұрын
You dont even need a set bonus for hyper bloom. Just slap triple EM Artifacts and you're good. There's a reason that set is abbreviated to FLOP. That set and domain is so inefficient and it's not worth it☠️
@tasha2749
@tasha2749 7 ай бұрын
Yep 80 em from set sound masiv but 186 em is better, getting triple em with no set even as a 4 star + em weapon will give u 582 em, and with the little help from instructor u can easily get 700 em through 4* artifact only without em set witch is generally enough
@walter1824
@walter1824 7 ай бұрын
Elemental application matters a lot to get the most blooms, maybe compare level 0 artifacts Xingqiu and Nahida characters to other single target teams? It would be 35k x2 and 10k x2 electrocharged for total 90k
@Hayds126
@Hayds126 7 ай бұрын
Even if hyperbloom isn't your only source of damage its a big portion of your damage without much effort. You farm deepwood because you need deepwood on the team then you'll get em on gilded without trying. Worst case 2p2p with wanderers its fine. In terms of the ceiling of hyperbloom especially with Nahida, its pretty much on par with other top tier meta teams and isn't overwhelmingly ahead but there is just so little effort to get hyperbloom going without trying. Also fridge is a cool mechanic and is useful when your hydro application is a little weaker. You build cryo unit for damage and get some cc with freeze it's not strictly better than basic hyperbloom but it has a place.
@zachlap3020
@zachlap3020 7 ай бұрын
I legit run Alhaitham with a xinqiu, Yaoyao as a healer and fischl as electro and it’s quite dumb. I can’t even see what deals more damage since it’s like way too many numbers
@qwertysysysyysysysyzz
@qwertysysysyysysysyzz 7 ай бұрын
Trash team , either change fischl to kuki or change xingqiu to lisa
@grellowny6978
@grellowny6978 7 ай бұрын
Good team
@qwertysysysyysysysyzz
@qwertysysysyysysysyzz 7 ай бұрын
@@grellowny6978 fuck no are you noob?
@Daivd1111
@Daivd1111 7 ай бұрын
This dude is comparing farming EM main stat and farming crit sub stat for hypercarry
@sporkybyme
@sporkybyme 7 ай бұрын
What Hyperbloom did for me was to enable me to farm on higher tier Domains to Build other Teams and characters faster and more efficient, it is a good entry to Build more variety in your Account.
@reyue5362
@reyue5362 7 ай бұрын
For his take on ‘em main stat’ pieces to be more rarer to farm …. I feel like it’s more difficult for me to get (an elemental dmg gob with good crit subs, crit/ dmg circlet with good crit sub and hp/atk sands with good crit subs) for someone like hu Tao …. Than me just slapping on a random em piece without worrying about subs and still get good numbers ….. I don’t know ..
@fatimawright8575
@fatimawright8575 7 ай бұрын
My first hyperbloom team was Barbara, Raiden, Nahida and a level 30 Yaoyao thrown on there for the 50 em. That was my strongest team that allowed me to start on my abyss journey even if I wasn't able to clear. Hyperbloom was literally the only damage there (Nahida was low-leveled) but the team still worked. Now my main hyperbloom team is Kuki, Nahida, Yelan, and Xingqiu. I defintely do more damage now, but I was still doing damage with a low investment hyperbloom team as well. You don't actually need other sources of damage. I think hyperbloom is easier to build than other teams because you can get away with only building one character. All you really need is an electro with em. Your hydro and dendro can do absolutely no damage, you don't even really need a fourth character, and you still do respectable damage. In other teams you can't only build a carry, you also have to build supports. If I play Raiden national, for example, I can't only build crit Raiden, I also have to have a respectable Xiangling and Xingqiu, and my Bennet has to be at least moderately leveled.
@Baguettish
@Baguettish 7 ай бұрын
I think video guy is also forgetting that you get a LOT of Wandering Troupe pieces just... passively. that's an EM set. you take 2 WT pieces you get from just fighting bosses (which you're going to do regardless), then 2 pieces of Gilded that you'll get if you're farming for literally any Dendro character and even Electro DPS like Yae and Fischl, then one off piece you get from doing whatever else... doesn't matter what the substats are, you can throw them on your Shinobu, Lisa, EM Raiden, etc. with any EM weapon and boom, it works. it's the way that you passively get suitable pieces where the substats or even 5 star vs 4 star status don't even matter that make it "cheap" to build. you don't HAVE to really dedicate your resin and time to building a hyperbloom character. it just kinda happens.
@lgr28
@lgr28 7 ай бұрын
I don't care if it's overrated if it's the thing that helped a skill issue player like me to 36 star the abyss lol
@isac9465
@isac9465 3 ай бұрын
To think, this is 4 months old and it only recently stopped stunlocking him😭
@chunkeebread
@chunkeebread 7 ай бұрын
video is like a my essay papers where i just throw random points then say, but...
@liiich6175
@liiich6175 7 ай бұрын
6:51, but I like how right at the end he makes a Nahida on field team
@oussamaxd197
@oussamaxd197 7 ай бұрын
hyperbloom is always on one side of my abyss , as i can farm for the other team more efficiently .
@abortedButGoated
@abortedButGoated 6 ай бұрын
i love that zyox mentioned 4star artifacts, i used exactly what he said, a 4star em piece, an offset em piece and with only one onset 5star em piece, for my first hyperbloom team and it does clear you can even use two 2pc em with dark iron sword which makes the build even cheaper. but yeah butterfer had some great points beside that
@JustASunflowerSeeD
@JustASunflowerSeeD 7 ай бұрын
that feeling when I was able to 36★ on a really badly invested account by making a scuffed mono pyro Xiangling team for 1st half and using a bad hyperbloom raiden on the other that was raiden nahida xq kokomi, and I still cleared with at most 20 seconds left. raiden had 2 wanderer 2 guilded with 800 em cuz dragon's bane wasn't leveled, that xq did 3k damage per rain sword max, and kokomi was barely built, that's the team that heavily carried the abyss.
@WolvenSwiftwind
@WolvenSwiftwind 7 ай бұрын
Me literally farming FLOP for my Raiden while watching this stream lol. I just need on last peace and its killing me
@FBI-real
@FBI-real 7 ай бұрын
my nahida has a 4* EM goblet and i do not believe i will ever change it. you really only notice any EM loss once it gets into the hundreds.
@juancaninja
@juancaninja 6 ай бұрын
Dude thinks is easier to crit fish substats than to get 3 em pieces
@jasonflores3737
@jasonflores3737 7 ай бұрын
literally this abyss i used sukokomon and yao yao dmc kuki and xinqiu and got 9 stars on floor 12 💀
@zeromailss
@zeromailss 7 ай бұрын
I love how unhinged he is
@PorygonPowahZ
@PorygonPowahZ 6 ай бұрын
You can watch a 36 star clear with 3 ungeared characters and a Kuki with some 4 star artifacts, getting 90s clears on the HB side. The floor is pretty low if you know what you're doing, and no one who's worth listening to thinks it's the ceiling.
@sweeToxic777
@sweeToxic777 7 ай бұрын
Just farm "Golden Dreams"
@EbrithilElda
@EbrithilElda 7 ай бұрын
2:40 Hyperbloom isn’t always good… In the last abysses hyperbloom was the best team
@Shuraig7
@Shuraig7 7 ай бұрын
no it was not, it never is
@samuellinn
@samuellinn 7 ай бұрын
​@@Shuraig7care to elaborate?
@lostblueboy
@lostblueboy 7 ай бұрын
in the words of TCs, even a bad abyss for hyperbloom......is decent for hyperbloom. But literally there is no way to make hyperbloom bad, unless by making the enemies dendro immune. So unless they are putting apep or dendro hypo in the abyss, there is no bad abyss for hyperbloom.
@lechugacc3459
@lechugacc3459 7 ай бұрын
@@samuellinn From personal experiencie i can say, since the moment i got nahida and alhaitham from their first banners i've been clearing EVERY ABYSS FLOOR 12 WITH 9 STARS just spamming Ayaka/Kazuha/Mona/Diona Alhaitham/Nahida/Yelan/Kuki just moving those 2 teams from side 1 to side 2 depending on the floor specific enemies... It works, as simply as that
@Dubstep_Gun
@Dubstep_Gun 7 ай бұрын
even in 3.7 hyperbloom was the best team both halves.
@Saphie688
@Saphie688 7 ай бұрын
Plus instructor and sapwood blade exist to boost em
@unstoppablevicky
@unstoppablevicky 7 ай бұрын
6:29 What the heck, thats my exact hyperbloom team. And cleared abyss 12-3 with that (not 9 stars though).
@fable7372
@fable7372 7 ай бұрын
This whole video can be summarised by saying hyperbloom is the best low investment team u can make to clear abyss
@LedZeppeli
@LedZeppeli 7 ай бұрын
I use level 80 nahida with not leveled deepwood, cracked EM raiden at level 90, layla, and Barbara and that clears no problem
@Monkey_D_Luffy56
@Monkey_D_Luffy56 7 ай бұрын
When i 9 star floor 12 for the first time my team was Nahida, Xinqiu, Kuki and Alhaitam Raiden, Yelan, Benny and Xiangling The best part is the artifacts I used is just a mixed and match of a wanderer troupe and glad
@isyf1523
@isyf1523 7 ай бұрын
The thing I feel like Hyperbloom that feels so good is the fact that as it was stated, it is good enough to reach certain dps requirements to destroy the abyss with a specific set of characters that are usually locked into those teams itself. With the exceptions of yelan, xingqiu and furina (which are 3 characters now, so it isn't that much of a problem anymore) (Raiden would be the only really affected by this, but with the variety of teams that do not need her it might not be as much of a problem), most hyperbloom teams consist of Hyperbloom related characters, which is the same argument as why Tartaglia national is one of the top tier teams in the game, it does not do as much dmg as most top tier teams in the game but: - Bennett is not as good of a pick, mostly because of the raising of hp scaling characters and characters that do his duty on niche teams better than him, so he is a character that works everywhere but is not necessary in many cases, like the current state of Zhongli where there are like 2 teams that actually have him as a main pick, but he is always a good substitute if you don't have the main one. - Xiangling was basically used by 2 teams before Lyney, Tartaglia and Raiden national teams, with specially raiden being popular, her on tartaglia's team holding the catch is enough to destroy the other half of the abyss where your main team isn't - Kazuha, the only popular pick, but with the existence of hyperbloom you won't need him in some of the top picks, and in any case you could play the og version of this team with sucrose who's EM buff is great on xiangling - Tartaglia himself can only be played on fireworks on national itself, and this one is more popular so he is usually reserved for National That team is enough to clear abyss, and on the release of kazuha specially, when he was underrated cause he was "sucrose 2", that team was stupid for the way it didn't use zhongli, didn't use xingqiu and didn't use any 5 star dps that already had a team. It is a cheap team for the fact that you only needed a 5 star and then use 4 stars that were out since 1.0 to make it work, with the only requirement that it was REALLY needed was Bennett c1, and c4 xiangling (which was not necessary on old abyss, but it is a huge buff) as the rest was mostly QOL. Then in terms of weapons EM wasn't as popular before dendro, tartaglia could use blackcliff or rust, xiangling had the catch and bennett would be the only one that could have problems with favonius (in case you had no aquila or skyward). Hyperbloom is so popular for the same reason, it is a team of characters that are mostly good on that team, and you won't take them to any other kind of "core" for a team that isn't a dendro reaction, so as the 4 stars are almost enough to destroy the abyss and cover any missing piece for using the "expensive" version of the teams and EM is only wanted by basically the anemo supports and dendro-reaction teams themselves, everyone can have their broken team for first half, may it be double hydro hu tao, permafrost ayaka, mono pyro lyney, neuvillette+furina comps, etc. And should have the leftover characters to play Hyperbloom with a lower margin of investment for the 2nd half.
@mhse5825
@mhse5825 7 ай бұрын
The coolest thing with hyperbloom is that you only need EM on the electro unit and build others with max damage.
@cuervus_
@cuervus_ 22 күн бұрын
the very first times i went to flop domain when wanderer came out i was always getting flop em pieces. my kuki is cracked. in fact i think im overcapping em but i dont know if thats a thing. she has a full 5 set
@Healcannon
@Healcannon 7 ай бұрын
I just think its fun and I really enjoy the fact it only requires 3 characters. It means you can take basically anyone of your favorite characters and slot them in 4th and play them on field. You get to see them all the time and still clear content. If they can actually do damage and not screw up the reaction then you can clear it even faster. Personally I don't really care if the main person on field is a hypercarry or a driver. Just seeing them for most of the time makes it feel like they are the one with all of the power even if it is coming from the rest of the team. That illusion is all I need to enjoy the comp. I also think the animation of shooting the bullet seeds at the target is pretty neat.
@solarsonic7178
@solarsonic7178 6 күн бұрын
Love the Zajef stray lmao
@Emilio_Valadez
@Emilio_Valadez 7 ай бұрын
chills
@thegreatBarbossa
@thegreatBarbossa 7 ай бұрын
what I think is insane about farming for a hyperbloom trigger is that getting a good flower and feather is suddenly way harder than getting a good goblet, sands or circlet.
@clementlassalle4317
@clementlassalle4317 7 ай бұрын
Hyperbloom is so good that for the longest time my dedicated hyperbloom team was DMC / Xingqiu / Yelan / Kuki and it cleared. Now this team might not seem bad, but 1) dendro app isn't that great with DMC in single target, and it's also burst-locked for the most part (which was a problem since I only had a refinement 2 favonius sword with barely any crit rate to activate its passive) so the amount of hyperblooms isn't the craziest 2) my Xingqiu and Yelan builds were utterly horrible, like, yeah, just absolute trash 3) my Kuki had (and actually still has, to this very day) only about 700 EM. I was using 2pc/2pc EM, and one her main stats was actually HP% because of never dropping a single EM goblet (not just from Gilded, but from ANY set in the entire game). On top of that, no dendro resonance, no instructor buff (didn't know about it back then), so I had no way of buffing her EM further Yet it cleared. It was more than good enough, to the point that I never felt the need to actively improve this team any further. I even sometimes forget that you're supposed to go for approximately 1000 EM on Kuki, simply because mine has been sitting at aroud 700 - 800 for so long without it ever being a problem at all. This meant that I could focus other characters / teams, which did, in fact need more investment than this basic hyperbloom team to get similar results. I must say though, that ever since pulling Nilou I've almost completely stopped using hyperbloom but admittedly, that may also be a byproduct of my account getting better over time, meaning I have more options than I used to. Still, hyperbloom used to be my best team by far, even though I had the likes of Yae Miko, Raiden as well as all the powerful 4*, simply because they needed a lot more investment (time investment I mean, as in actually good artifacts and ofc high talent levels) to really start to shine
@NebulaMK
@NebulaMK 7 ай бұрын
That guys video was indeed a take.
@luminous3558
@luminous3558 7 ай бұрын
These 2 videos about Hyperbloom and National are mostly about content creators overhyping teams and failing to properly explain when the team starts to be good. Hyperbloom needs Kuki(or Raiden) or its mega cope, you can make do without nahida and yelan but depending on your pulls you might be better off playing aggravate. National needs high cons on most of its members as well as some specific gacha weapons and really good artifacts to manage the energy issues of 3 of its 4 members. What does this mean? Are these teams bad? No. It just means they are teams like every other team in genshin. As a new player you are better off asking for direct advice in a community discord on which teams to build than to listen to more general advice that probably doesnt reflect your account. With the way banners work in genshin you are much more likely to end up with a team centered around a 5* you like by virtue of their supporting 4*s sharing a banner. Comparatively Bennett, Xingqiu, Xiangling and sucrose are often on different banners so getting them is a pain and will result in you getting 5*s you didnt want. Kuki is easier to get since she is the main bottleneck in hyperbloom but she has consistently been on unpopular banners and will probably disappear again for half a year once the current one runs out.
@giuba98
@giuba98 7 ай бұрын
I have two 4p sets flower of paradise lost because I farmed that domain for ages for Wanderer LOL, I think it's dumb saying that it's impossible to get a 4p gilded while farming for deepwood, it's so resin efficient
@dnyaneshkale9540
@dnyaneshkale9540 7 ай бұрын
I think hyperbloom is national 2.0 and you can't change my mind. Ever since I got nahida I've been clearing abyss 36 stars with national on one side hyperbloom on the other. These teams literally work in every abyss thats the value of hyperbloom.
@jsk1429
@jsk1429 7 ай бұрын
Nahida, not dendro
@dnyaneshkale9540
@dnyaneshkale9540 7 ай бұрын
@@jsk1429 idk what you mean by that.
@jsk1429
@jsk1429 7 ай бұрын
@@dnyaneshkale9540 nahida is the only reason hyperbloom is so easy at ‘low’ investment
@shaderunner7.0
@shaderunner7.0 7 ай бұрын
Building Kuki for Hyperbloom is A LOT cheaper than building 9-star Floor 12 ready non-Hyperbloom DPS in my experience, like it's not even close. What you build for Kuki here is just EM, the only sub stat that might get shafted is on Flower and Plume, no need to worry about any other sub stat. For regular DPS you need Scaling/Element/(Scaling/Crit) and get good subs as well, which invalidates most of your Circlet and Sands drops anyway. EM Scaler doesn't have to worry about subs, at all. That's why it's cheaper, there's only 3 layers of RNG instead of like, 6? 7? Then I'm the kind of guy who got two EM VV Goblets and EM Goblet on FloP, in a week of farming, but you know.
@hanoGTO
@hanoGTO 7 ай бұрын
I farmed fllower of paradise lost for raiden because I was told to do a raiden furina nahida baizhu hyperbloom team, im running golden troupe furina, EM and dendro goblet deepwood nahida and deepwood full hp baizhu. am I dumb?
@psyk0oooo
@psyk0oooo 7 ай бұрын
hyperfridge will ALWAYS be a meme creating 3 cores instead of 2 at once will change nothing to the hb dmg, the enemies only take up to 2 seeds dmg instance in .5 sec limit
@Axterix13
@Axterix13 7 ай бұрын
That depends. If there are more enemies, you're going to want more blooms. Then there's the matter of the rate at which you create blooms versus the rate at which you pop them. A team using Kuki as the trigger, for example, well, she pulses every 1.5s. Raiden's E has a cooldown of 0.9. But it does make the team more complicated to play. Which is another strong point of hyperbloom... it is pretty brain dead and hard to screw up.
@yaemiko0614
@yaemiko0614 7 ай бұрын
You know not ever unit applies as much dendro as nahida right.
@seturf
@seturf 6 ай бұрын
fridge freezes the enemies...
@deadlybeever6667
@deadlybeever6667 Ай бұрын
"He has alot of good genshin advice but i love him"-zyox
@mjthenerd361
@mjthenerd361 7 ай бұрын
Sane
@poochycosme
@poochycosme 7 ай бұрын
I just cleared abyss with Alaitham hyperbloom with no artefacts or leveled weapons exept 700 em Kuki, a +0 deep set on Nahida and 4 stars er sands to get Xingqiu and Alaitham bursts back (and sac Xingqiu)(my Alaitham normal attacks were hitting for ≈ 100 to 200 dmg and the mirror attacks ≈ 1000 to 2000) so you can easily clear with only hyperbloom dmg
@HazZzel-
@HazZzel- 7 ай бұрын
Based strimmer moment
@HandsAnts
@HandsAnts 15 күн бұрын
wow, what an nice and respectable gentleman. Im grateful for such an calm and collected person to teach us on hyperbloom. Truly i understood it all and he kept his point in stable arguments and break it down by important notches. Truly. What an sane person.
@serezelveydawn
@serezelveydawn 7 ай бұрын
When Dendro released I 36 star abyss with Full Hp Kokomi, Full EM Raiden, then Dendro MC and Collei both with 300% ER. Their only purpose was to ult and apply dendro while Raiden proc hyperbloom and Kokomi kept everyone alive. The team did better than my Vaporize Hu Tao.
@hollow.shadow
@hollow.shadow 7 ай бұрын
I think the main problem that the video addresses is the fact that hyperbloom is simply one of many options to optimally 36 star abyss. The "low investment" point is overly exaggerated, if half of your team (double hydro) require standard crit builds (optimal nahida also prefer crit pieces), then "all you need is a full em set" is a bit disingenuous. Those who remember farming VV back in the day may relate with the sheer frustrations of farming full em sets, granted you can go with 2 piece 2 piece options and wanderer's troupe is available in the strong box. Hyperbloom is a great team, but the reality is the community tends to overhype the reaction/team to an almost toxic degree, evident in comments like "why play x when hyperbloom exists".
@anyanP
@anyanP 7 ай бұрын
The reason why farming VV felt like shit wasn’t because of getting EM mainstat is hard. It was because of mainly two reasons - almost no one wanted crit pieces from VV if you got those and the other set was FUCKING MAIDENS. Gilded is in resin-efficient domain, you’re most likely getting your EM sands and goblet/circlet by the time you get decent deepwood anyway. The low investment is low investment because you’re need much less crit value overall. Your hydros would require about the same investment as your usual sub-dps in carry teams, but you don’t have to worry about your carry as well, cause it’s replaced with hyperbloom.
@hollow.shadow
@hollow.shadow 7 ай бұрын
@@anyanP When i mentioned VV, im specifically talking about how long it takes to get full em in the first place. I can tell you it took me about a year before i got an em VV set (with bad substats). The gilded domain is great but deepwood does not give you 80 em as a 2 piece, you still have to either farm FLOP or strongbox wanderers troupe or get them from boss drops. You are proving my point, no? The low investment you described is very different from "all you need is a full em set." If i was to farm 2 sets of crit artifact for XQ and yelan at the emblem domain, would I also be farming for a good shim set as well? In that case. does that make Hu tao double hydro for example equally low investment? What makes the general perception of hyperbloom low investment but hu tao is expensive then?
@user-qc1ff3st7r
@user-qc1ff3st7r 7 ай бұрын
While I agree that the community overexaggerates hyperbloom effectiveness at low investment, I do disagree with the video. Hyperbloom gives insane returns when you put in zero investment, because neither the hydro or Dendro appliers need investment outside ER and 4Deepwood.
@hollow.shadow
@hollow.shadow 7 ай бұрын
@@user-qc1ff3st7r You can choose to not invest into your hydro units, but you just do half the dmg, which will not make hyperbloom competitive team.
@Ananta9817
@Ananta9817 7 ай бұрын
​​@@hollow.shadowYou get plenty Wanderers just from having done abysses back in the day, but if you played more recently then you should have also farmed ascension materials for your characters, weekly bosses, etc. The problem is if you used those artifacts as fodder, which would honestly be your own fault. And yes you can always just strongbox for more. Literally nobody is forcing you to farm flop. And if you are using shimenawa Hu Tao, I would say... get some help. Why would you enjoy seeing your burst energy disappear, especially when it's a reliable source of the bare minimum healing she likes? What I think is you see a drastically different picture from "all you need is a full em set". It doesn't mean that's the only artifact you will be farming, it is saying the core damage for a hyperbloom team won't require you losing your mental sanity over crit fishing.
@darklikeashadow6626
@darklikeashadow6626 7 ай бұрын
ABOBA
@mattgaleur4240
@mattgaleur4240 7 ай бұрын
am i the weird one for thinking that crit is so much harder to farm than em?
@Fam98KK
@Fam98KK 7 ай бұрын
Neuvillete and QuickBloom Alhaitham are the 2 most cracked meta in the game
@ladderlappen4585
@ladderlappen4585 7 ай бұрын
hyperbloom isnt free in quicken. hydro can consume the quicken aura really fast and if you dont have enough of electro or dendro to re-apply quicken, then you will lose alot of spreads and aggrevates. for example with alhaitham, nahida, kuki and a hydro unit: kuki doesnt have very fast electro application (3 sec intervall). if, lets say furina is your hydro teammate, then its more of a spread team because she wont consume your quicken aura very often, in exchange for blooms. she just doesnt apply alot of hydro. -> quickbloom (quicken + hyperbloom) xingqiu applies alot more hydro. he would more than half your quicken uptime in exchange for more blooms. -> hyperbloom if you want to run xingqiu in the example above but still play a quickbloom team, you would simply need faster electro application. swapping out alhaitham or nahida for beidou would do the trick. nahida and alhaitham apply enough dendro on their own and you dont need both. so basically: alhaitham/nahida, kuki, beidou, xingqiu -> quickbloom.
@hifushiri
@hifushiri 7 ай бұрын
20:25 ONE PIECE MENTIONED🗣️🗣️👒🍖☠︎︎🏴‍☠
@BlackCascade
@BlackCascade 7 ай бұрын
The mere fact that hyperbloom is Eula and Freminet's best team says a lot.
@ryanbutler1709
@ryanbutler1709 7 ай бұрын
Definitely not wrong about the artifact argument. As I’ve been farming for raiden I’ve been getting blessed with some spicy yelan pieces
@gabrieljohnson6304
@gabrieljohnson6304 7 ай бұрын
the circular reasoning is crazy bro dude states a claim and just moves on to "now that we've accepted the claim is true"
@yoiko89
@yoiko89 7 ай бұрын
I'm sick in Bennett that's why I almost 8 months never use him in Spiral Abyss
@Hummingbird_335
@Hummingbird_335 7 ай бұрын
For a month now I have been playing only Aggravate, Vaporize, Burning, Burgeon, Frozen and Physical teams.
@tobywood9156
@tobywood9156 5 ай бұрын
i was recommending hyperbloom to someone who doesnt have enough investment on regular dps units to really clear abyss, and was still struggling with it. its not surprising because they were playing kuki, yaoyao, baizhu and barbara. literally no damage other than hyperbloom, which isnt the point of the reaction. yes to a new player, 30k seems like a lot. but its really not, not compared to like, fischl doing 20k a4 procs leading to about 100k per second really easily, or xianglings no icd. i play hyperbloom a lot, but i do double hydro xq and ayato, or ayato and fischl
@Opti-Miser
@Opti-Miser 7 ай бұрын
zyox is my fave because he's always right and has never been wrong and is always correct ♥
@jthedood1605
@jthedood1605 7 ай бұрын
Lol my kukis on 2p2p 80em. Why farm flop
@kirkalmeida
@kirkalmeida 7 ай бұрын
My favourite team right now is Baizhu, Furina Fischl and Yae, every character and the hyperblooms auto target while Baizhu just hangs around on field just vibing with nearly 50k HP and interruption resistance spamming 9 k heals. It's fucking hilarious.
@aidenharris5296
@aidenharris5296 7 ай бұрын
7:15 me when my teams that are 3 g aren’t carried by hyperbloom
@billsarik3137
@billsarik3137 6 ай бұрын
My best hyperbloom is xingqui beidou fiscal baizhu
@KategariYami
@KategariYami 7 ай бұрын
I guess the problem is if people treat Hyperbloom like HuTao Mains used to treat HuTao. As in "Bruh why would you do anything just play Hyperbloom", "LOL just play Hyperbloom", "that's nice but Hyperbloom better". Hopefully we're not seeing that right here right now emerge.
@lorekeeper2611
@lorekeeper2611 6 ай бұрын
So much of this feels like a totally different language and I’m over here with Ayaka, Ei, Kazuha, and Kokomi and I refuse to switch because I like them 😅
@hazemnada798
@hazemnada798 7 ай бұрын
*in depth calculations optimal team building and rotation* Meanwhile 99% of genshin community: waifu booba milky
@user-kn1px7bz1i
@user-kn1px7bz1i 7 ай бұрын
I just love impregnating abyss with hyperbloom Easy 36* stars
@mare2059
@mare2059 3 күн бұрын
7:08 NO WAY BRO IN THE VID CALLED FURINA A THIRD XINGQUI, MODS FIND HIM.
@taqito02
@taqito02 7 ай бұрын
As someone who still hasn't gotten a 5* EM goblet or circlet from Gilded and runs their Kuki with an on piece 4* circlet, I can still clear the abyss pretty easily. My Kuki has about 840 EM and the hyperblooms deal around 32k each with Deepwood. Trust me, one 4* piece isn't going to hold you back.
@THESocialJusticeWarrior
@THESocialJusticeWarrior 7 ай бұрын
what is a 'flop' team?
@santiagodebernardo8297
@santiagodebernardo8297 7 ай бұрын
What does Flop mean?
@mrdude5733
@mrdude5733 7 ай бұрын
im gonna remove every artifact on xq , yelan and naida but keep my full em raiden and see if i clear
@qwertysysysyysysysyzz
@qwertysysysyysysysyzz 7 ай бұрын
No , youd need some er for yelan or xingqiu atleast so they can burst off cooldown
@qwertysysysyysysysyzz
@qwertysysysyysysysyzz 7 ай бұрын
And atleast 4pc deepwood on nahida is needed even if all the pieces is +0
@mrdude5733
@mrdude5733 7 ай бұрын
@@qwertysysysyysysysyzz er time peace and fav but no deep wood
@alexliengsky6884
@alexliengsky6884 7 ай бұрын
Honestly, both are kinda right kinda wrong. Yeah sure, you do not want to leave your supports unchecked without artifacts, but even if you are unlucky and your Xingqiu has like, 57/110, or your Dendro is on DEF sands/goblet/circlet, or even if your Electro trigger is not lvl.90, you will still clear because the DMG ceiling for Hyperbloom is simply that high. I know it's a matter of luck, but it took me way less months to get a full EM set of GD for Thoma, a full FoPL set for Kuki, as well as a godly GD DMG set for my Al Haitham AND Yae, than it has taken me to build my Eula for the past 2 years since I started playing Genshin. The main reason for Hyperbloom to be so utterly brain-dead is not only because the Deepwood/Gilded domain is very efficient even nowadays (cuz honestly Maréschaussée and Golden are quite niche whether you have Fontaine characters or not), but also the element combo is way too fucking good. Electro-charged on top of Quicken which Aggravates and Spreads, on top of the Hyperbloom DMG, reactions alone are enough to make it really great.
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