Very interesting feedback! Glad to hear that you've found a protocol that works for you! Thanks for sharing.

Where do u apply and what percentage is your cream?

@@MrMIDWEST323213 200 mg compounded cream. Scrotum application

@@AH23794 where do you buy the cream from and how much is it? What were your T levels before and after the cream? Can someone get T levels over 1000 with the cream or is that only possible with injections? I tried the injections but I keep hitting a nerve or have some pain afterwards along with severe muscle twitches. I do not look forward to my next injection because of it. And the thought of dealing with this pain for the rest of my life is just dreadful.

@@CJ-yf5cr I don’t know where are you injecting but try searching a little more. I have learned that that leg and gluts is where you hit nerves and it’s not good at all. Pecs and lats is better. Just inject less amount of what you will do on glut or leg. You can inject twice a week instead of once. Shoulder or chest is fine.... just do it with a thinner needle 29g 1/2” works.

Hi. My pleasure! Sorry for the delayed response. The 200mg/ml is about the strongest that can be compounded. It starts getting too pasty and thick at higher concentrations than that. Once a day application is fine for maintaining testosterone and it also allows you to space the application apart from when you have contact with another person, preventing transfer. We do require prescriptions, but cannot ship to Australia. Compounding pharmacies are abundant over in Oz though. I suggest you do some phone shopping for the best price.

You can get testosterone cream at a compounding pharmacy. Chances are there's one close to wherever you live. You could get it from us (Mt Olympus Compounding) if you happen to live in Utah, Wyoming, or Nevada. Those are the only states we're currently licensed in. If you google "compounding pharmacy near me" you should be able to find something close. Let me know if you have any troubles. Thanks for the comment. I appreciate the support.

@@hormonespecialist u guys need to come to nj or ny

I would search for a compounding pharmacy near you and contact them. They should have knowledge of providers near you that can prescribe these types of creams.

Was there a pun intended with that bomb? I have thousands of guys on transdermal and they love it. An interesting pearl about injectable: It is known to have a neutral or negative effect on your lipid profile, whereas transdermal testosterone has a beneficial effect on your cholesterol. Injectable also seems to cause more aggression.

That's all correct. And if you inject in the upper, outer quadrant of the buttocks, it really is painless. Very few nerves there. I recommend at least a 5/8" needle to get into the muscle. 1/2" will work if you are lean enough. Cheers!

That’s a lot of needle pricks

When you say subcutaneous, that means under the skin. Doesn’t test injection have to go into the muscle?

@@liamlynch2115 sub cutaneous really means just use a half inch needle and in the belly fat. On an angle. I use a 27 gauge 1/2 inch in my upper glute.

@@waynecreyaufmiller2098 I thought testosterone injections had to go deep into the muscle.

I would say the most common topical strength we see for men is 200mg a day. Keep your urologist updated on what you're experiencing and how you're feeling. Hopefully with your feedback you two can come to a dose that's right for you!

I hope so and I really appreciate the reply. I honestly thought about just doing 100mg a day with this 5% cream mainly because the test concentration is so low. I feel that would be a mote acceptable dosage.

​@@cody6009new doctor is forcing me to switch. Depressing. Did the switch go ok for you?

​@@cody6009what worked for you?

It is considered a topical testosterone. So for the purposes of our discussion, yes. But it is technically a gel.

Hey Trevor. So sorry for the delay in responding. Please contact me by email and I'll hook you up. layne@mtolympusrx.com

@@hormonespecialist Hello do you know of a good doctor near Winston Salem NC? I just moved here and I need to find one I’ve been treated for low t since I was 28 . I’m now in my 40s

We're generally looking to apply cream to areas of the body that have thin skin and are out of the way (meaning won't come into contact with others). Some good areas would be the upper inner arm, upper inner thigh, and chest.

Would the shins be a good area?

What was the reaction?

@@hormonespecialist He is dead now...

​@@MrMome1612RIP @NOMADICEXPLORERS!

Where to you live, Steve?

I get mine from MedQuest in Utah

Did you find a cheaper way ? Of getting it ?

I am wondering if once per day would be ok too.

@@nicoc7024 The half life is approximately 10-14 hours depending on the source of your information. Twice a day application is better than once a day but just like with injections. Usually they are prescribed for once a week but people tend to inject twice a week to avoid the extreme highs and lows.

Good results? I'm still confused.

Do not apply any hormone creams/gels on genitals ever!

Absolutely NOT. Make sure you read the directions only apply on upper arms and shoulders.

@@zshark365 wrong. If you are getting your CREAM (not gel) from a compounding pharmacy the directions specifically state: Apply to scrotum or inner thigh.

@@S.Uranus wrong. If you are getting your CREAM (not gel) from a compounding pharmacy the directions specifically state: Apply to scrotum or inner thigh.

When doctors insist medication is only available one way they're usually playing salesman for big pharma.

Hi Fred. The body naturally pulses the release of sex hormones so that receptors do not develop resistance. So morning OR evening is okay. It's best to make that decision based on when you are less likely to transfer your topically applied testosterone to your partner. The decision to apply hormones to the skin should be made by the owner of the skin! Now, having said that, testosterone drives libido and more so at higher levels, so if you want to apply it closer to the time of sexual activity, you'll probably like that. But give yourself 2-3 hours after applying it before rubbing that skin on somebody else's.

I think the half life of he cremes is only 12 hours so you will probably want to apply twice per day.

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Scrotal

I presume by "eod" and "ed" you mean every other day and every day? I like that dosing schedule, AND it can be dosed sub-q with a shorter needle, so less painful. You use the same weekly dose (commonly around 1ml of the 200mg/ml testosterone cypionate) divided by the number of doses you give in a week. Be sure and get 3/10cc insulin syringes with 29 guage 1/2" needles. If you try and use the short needles, they are smaller around (31 guage, which will be like sucking honey through a straw) and won't work well. I have patients who do daily SQ injections. It just requires some patience pulling the oil up into the smaller syringes. You should check with your doctor if you want to administer your testosterone differently than the label directs. I'm just giving you options to discuss. -Pharmacist Layne

Hey buddy what brand do you use

Thank you. And, in case you're wondering, your boys are not going to shrink away if you apply testosterone to your scrotum. You can expect perhaps a 10-15% reduction in testicle size with ongoing testosterone supplementation simply because you are relieving your boys of some of the work of production, but you likely won't even notice. It's more with age.

Once a day or twice a day? How do you feel?

@@nicoc7024 twice a day and feel great 2 years plus.

Hi! You're welcome. It is true that the topical testosterone route raises DHT levels higher than injectable, especially when applied in the genital area. This is because there is a higher 5 alpha reductase enzyme level in the skin and genitals, which is what converts testosterone to DHT, but here is the hard truth. The likelihood of male baldness is most influenced by genetics. And those predisposed to it genetically can experience hair loss from even normal circulating levels of testosterone, so I think DHT concentrations are a bit of a wild goose chase. Yes, they bind with a higher affinity to androgen receptors than testosterone, but your receptors are likely already saturated, so we're back to genes. Thank your parents. I really don't like blocking DHT (with finasteride or dutasteride) because it's a party killer. DHT is a much more potent stimulator of libido that testosterone and you don't want to be without it. Besides, haven't you heard? Bald is sexy, man! I know, it's mostly the bald guys saying that.

Here is a new video we made about testosterone, DHT, and baldness in men. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/d-CKaK9pys-ynWg.html

Hey my man, Just curious , are you doing scrotal application? I do and am using 10% split up 2x a day and my levels are at 900.

@@enntense hey👍 yes scrotal application!

@@enntense is 900 for the next application? and what is your free t then?

@@daviddavid1057 8-9 hours after morning application free T is at 900. 2nd application is at 12 hours.

@@enntense free t at 900??? or you mean total t?)

You're welcome! Thanks for taking the time to watch!

@@hormonespecialist I used injectables for a year and never could find a dose that felt good. Now on cream I feel great!!!

You would more than likely need to find a pharmacy that could compound the cream. Compounding pharmacies can make different dosage forms that are not usually found at your typical pharmacy.

@@hormonespecialist Excellent video!! Been reading through all the guys comments, some great knowledge and experience’s here. I was going to ask a similar question about the UK…from reading all of the above I take it you don’t ship there? I have seen one or two guys above talking about the gel…if I am after the cream which many of the guys above are…what are we looking for…as I’m just assuming it’s not going to be that easy to find even in the uk…but will be starting some research straight after this!!!

What do you mean no effects? If you watch the video, injections are not recommended due to spiking. How do you know it's not working? 2 weeks is nowhere near enough time on it. You need to go 2-3 months and then get blood work done to check your levels.

Depending on your cream, the strength, and your starting testosterone level your dose may be too low. I just started and my doctor has me on 150mg/ml cream and I apply .5 ml twice a day for a total of 150 mg. You started at a very small dose and still only advanced to half of what most people are starting at. Initial improvement usually doesn't start showing for three weeks with improved erections, better sleep, and more energy but optimal effects take months.

Thanks for the comment. In my 20 years doing this, I find most guys settle on twice a week. Once a week allows it to drop into too much of a trough and can be a little too high of a peak precipitating acne. All you have to do is break through that threshold once or twice to trigger acne. I find that women can get away with once a week--probably because it's a much smaller dose.

Androgel is a commercially made transdermal testosterone preparation in what we call a carbomer gel, which uses alcohol (about 67%) as the delivery vehicle. Alcohol generally does not sit well on tender thin skin like that of the scrotum. It can burn, especially if it gets near the anus. This is why they have you avoid those areas. Additionally, because of it's relatively weak concentration of T, you have to apply 5-10 or more grams of gel to get therapeutic blood levels. That's kind of a lot to smear all over your boys, so they direct you to larger surface areas (no judgment whatsoever there with the adjective). Compounding pharmacies generally concentrate the testosterone in their formulations requiring less volume to deliver the same payload, and use bases compatible with sensitive skin. The scrotum is ideal because it is out of the way (avoids contact transference to others) and its very absorptive. We get good levels when applying there. And... as you mentioned. Compounded testosterone is MUCH cheaper. Compounded testosterone is often covered by insurance. Ask your compounding pharmacy. Thanks for your question, Mr. Chip.

I'm on a generic androgel that costs about 30/mo with my insurance.

@@cranbell99 Just curious, how has it worked for you? I just took my 2nd testosterone test last week and if my levels are still low they will give ,e the option to get on it if I want. He did mention the cream but wanted to check to see how others have made out with it

​@@jamie-r2034any update? My husband is in the same spot.

I tried gel on my nuts and the alcohol was a bit brisk to say the least.

Gel is better.. injectable is even better..both are better than peaches or pills..to feel happiness in all he should be over 800dl/ng

@@commantrosexetlos4700 Incorrect. What better is what words and the fact is, the gel is the least reliable of all the administrations.

No way to tell. You have to try it and see what happens. How he feels and what his blood work shows.

Testosterone creams have always gotten a bad rap because "bro science" from the meatheads at the gym will tell you to stop being a wuss and take the needle. BUT, the truth is, all recent studies have shown that the injections and creams have the same effect in raising testosterone levels.

How depressing! Mine was up to 800 but now I have a new doctor who is making me take the cream.

​@@ScottHendrix-yz3duany improvement?

@@ScottHendrix-yz3du I’ve been on 81 mg per day for a couple months. Haven’t seen too much difference. Sexual function is better, but mood, energy, motivation still feels stuck.

@@liamlynch2115 I got my testosterone level to 800 on the shot. One per week and I got to 1300 using the cream. Was not expecting that. I'm still experimenting trying to figure all this sht out. It actually gets complicated. Thanks for the feed back.

Brand name gels like Androgel are garbage for most people because the dose is too low to make an actual impact. Find a doctor that works with a compounding pharmacy that makes cream and even if you start out at 100mg/ml you will be better off than you are now

Exactly.

I mentioned it because I occasionally see it prescribed that way, but you're right. That's way too seldom.

Any TRT clinic worth a damn won’t prescribe injections every other week 🤣. I like your content but dude, that’s got some serious spin to it. I could make a video saying “injections once a week vs creams every 3 days” and completely flip the narrative. They both have efficacy for sure. But doesn’t an IM injection allow the body to more effectively absorb it?

Once in the morning right when you wake up

Back then vs not I suppose?

I don't mind your take on the subject. You just simply state the cream is "not for me". I see so many people saying they won't use cream because it's not as effective as the injections. Injections have been the gold standard for so long that people are afraid to try anything new. Yes, you do have to administer every day but in reality, it's not too bad, apply, let it dry for 30 seconds, go on your way. You just can't hit the gym or have sex for 5 hours to avoid transference. The reality of it is that all recent studies have found the creams to be just as effective as the injections so it's a matter of personal preference. It's a personal choice and you like what you like.

No, its just that people vary and some skin is thicker/thinner than others. For X percentage of men, topical just doesn't work. In this case, its now a question of convenience, rather, one of necessity. After all, who would prefer something you rub on? Not to mention is a whole lot easier to travel with.

Really, you think it's that easy? I was an avid CrossFit nut until a few years ago and then I started getting so exhausted I wanted to nap in the middle of the day, the brain fog and memory issues were so bad I thought I was getting early onset dementia, and I had NO libido at all....just GONE! I started putting on weight and couldn't lose it with any amount of diet or exercise. It would be different if I sat at home, watched tv, drank alcohol and didn't work out but I was active. I finally gave in and started TRT almost 2 weeks ago and I can feel my energy level getting better and my libido is returning. You can't just "heal yourself". That's the dumbest shit I have ever heard. That's like telling a diabetic they don't need insulin, just don't eat. or telling a cancer patient to drink plenty of fluids and rest and they will be ok. Educate yourself next time before you post a stupid comment.