Is Innova REALLY Inconsistent? // Halo Destroyers Comparison from 2021 vs 2022 vs 2023

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Is Innova REALLY Inconsistent? // Halo Destroyers Comparison from 2021 vs 2022 vs 2023

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@ashtonleehans6313 Жыл бұрын

Please keep the fieldwork sessions in the reviews! So nice to see how they fight out of the turn and how fast they fade in an open field. Also, I find the contrast of you throwing open shots vs. hitting gaps on courses give a really comprehensive review of how the disc will fly in just about any situation. As always keep up the great work. Thank you so much for all of the amazing content!

@PMantle Жыл бұрын

The problem with discussing Destroyer consistency is the fact that you can find vast differences in one stack of them in the same store.

@davidwellman5221 Жыл бұрын

No that's the beauty my friend. Having the same mold/feel for different shots/shapes = consistency. Once you figure out how to interpret the variances in the mold it will change your life. All mixed bag players bag a destroyer, all innova sponsored players bag a destroyer, any pro that is allowed, bags a destroyer. All brands compare and strive to make a disc to rival the destroyer. Coming from an Innova player of 13 years, why try a copycat...just throw the real deal DESTROYER

@PMantle Жыл бұрын

@@davidwellman5221 That's what I was trying to say lol

@gumbilicious1 9 ай бұрын

I can see that argument, it is great to have one hand feel for a number of different style discs, but the down side is replacing them if lost. Huge turn off for me not being able to replace a disc with a consistent flight pattern

@jakecook8695 Жыл бұрын

yes please! love reviews like this!!! would love to see every review in this format! keep up the great work! I am sad to see the grace go away though! I bought one because of you and now I own 4 and is my favorite disc lol

@BodanzaDiscGolf Жыл бұрын

SUCH a good disc for sure! I definitely think more reviews like this will become more standard, either like this or very vloggy, but definitely excited to be able to up the production quality

@sebmeunier3528 Жыл бұрын

@@BodanzaDiscGolf Not too vloggy please 😀 I know you need some viewing time to please YT algorithms, but a liked the "analytical" approach of that video, 3 field shots with 3 angles x 2 (head & tail wind) + 3 holes, 1 for each line, that's the ideal review for me. Definitely not easy to replicate, unless you have a "home course" you know whre to find these 3 holes 😉

@jakecook8695 Жыл бұрын

also if you like the grace I think you can have it in the bag! Matty O throws it alot so even if your a top pro seems good for any player

@3CDISCGOLF Жыл бұрын

Yes please! Grace is so good

@granddd7273 Жыл бұрын

The best chance you got of checking similarity between the different years of halo destroyers, is to get some of the same color. The color of the outer rim and the inside of it are major factors in the stability of the year. I hope this makes sense.

@ericjepson3765 10 ай бұрын

And what colors are the flippiest/most stable? I remember like 15 years ago Avery Jenkins saying that red star plastic was the most over stable and I still feel like that's true...

@YellowRanger911 9 ай бұрын

@@ericjepson3765 depends on the run, the 2022 was the first time I noticed even players began to call it out. I think it's the 2022 run of Calvin's where he says the black rim is the most understable and the white rim is the most stable. I found that to be true as well.

@SamuelB- Жыл бұрын

Not sure if this was mentioned already. Calvin said during the 2022 season that the colors of each halo destroyers matters in stability apparently (In Eric Oakley's "Is it good" series). the black rim one is apparently supposed to be the least overstable. I have one of those black ones, its super stiff and pop toppy and for some reason it goes way farther than any of my other dics.

@tjsalley5744 Жыл бұрын

moved to denver about 2 years ago and the elevation really makes a difference with disc stability. i had to completely redo my bag when i got here so be prepared for that.

@jkarim18 Жыл бұрын

I’m in the springs. What are your go to courses?

@Iliyena87 Жыл бұрын

I am going to have a G★ Destroyer in my bag, not that I need it even if its the right amount of stable for my arm, but because its sooo pretty in its purple shine... ;)

@chrisbondi5887 Жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure I have been watching you for possibly 3 months now and I absolutely love your videos. Specifically because you do content that I usually have to find in seven videos all mashed into one and it makes understanding what discs to actually use much easier because of your opinion. And specifically because you throw about the same distance I do. Keep striving for your goals I'm trying to do the same thing in disc golf It's my new natural high besides bowling. I'm from the 716 North Tonawanda New York represent

@loganmatson4066 Жыл бұрын

I would love to see this same video with the Dynamic Discs Raider! I use them as my only distance driver and bag 5! The runs seem to be pretty consistent, but between the plastics there is a noticeable difference! The chameleon Sockibomb ones are super overstable, and the fusion stock runs are slight standup from Heiser! (Similar arm speed to you right now, maybe a tiny bit faster)

@trevzy91 Жыл бұрын

I’m currently throwing 375-400 and I bag a grace as well. My more overstable distance driver is currently the Photon, I’ve gotten slight turn in head winds but very minor. My favorite photon is a full weight fission.

@ChrillerK Жыл бұрын

Since Lat64 Grace's has become to understable for you, maybe a Innova Halo or champion Wraith or a MVP Zenith could be options to try out.😊 Great video, as always👍

@jvtc Жыл бұрын

He's entered the "I'll just use different stabilities of destroyers for every distance driver slot in my bag" phase that it would seem every disc golfer goes through. I did the same thing only with Kastaplast Gryms and Grym-xs

@mattbroughton750 Жыл бұрын

Heimburg, Socki bit, and G star? Over stable, stable with flip and Flippy straight?

@JasonLuther1 10 ай бұрын

I do the same thing with rocs and tbird 3

@Hobbbuddy Жыл бұрын

Try the sockibot destroyers if you want a bomber! I think that run will fit perfectly with your arm speed 👍🏻

@tysonkauth7232 Жыл бұрын

I have a handful of the raptor stamps, they are the best flying destroyers I've ever thrown.

@JoshJackson13 Жыл бұрын

@@tysonkauth7232 yes I've have sockibots a 2x and and a 4x p Mac b. My raptor destroyer has been my favorite by far and only one I bag. It's stiff with slight dome. I use it for 4hands 390ft and back hand headwind 400ft. Never turns over like the Zeus does

@codyschut6944 Жыл бұрын

Yea I’m likin the field work and course play combo 🔥

@tomasjeronimo5982 Жыл бұрын

There are certainly specific runs of Destroyer people look for just like Sexybirds. Early penned one, 4x penned, AJ 2 and 3 lines and ricky raptor run to name a few. I thought the Jonesboro run was the 2021 run tho just bottom stamped. Like 85% sure of that. Also, the first run 21's were nearly impossible to use meat hooks but the later runs were more useable.

@bend8574 7 ай бұрын

yes, all 2022 calvins had a pink core, black and grey were leftover from 2021 run

@EverettGuenther Жыл бұрын

I’ve always wondered why you want to get rid of the Graces. Its your bag so if you want to switch go ahead but I know Matty O throws the Kristin Graces and he throws very far. Granted he throws those on turn over or hyzer flip lines but they’re still good discs for advanced players.

@drewbailey5231 Жыл бұрын

Great review. Please get a hold of a charger, I think it would be a great driver for you.

@JejuneJesuit Жыл бұрын

Echoing everyone that, as far as I know, the Jonesboro destroyers were 2021 beefcakes with a new coat of paint. I have a 2022 pink and black Heimburg destroyer that absolutely BOMBS. It was way more glidey and flippy even out of the box, and after being it up for an entire year it gives me incredible S-turns with low to medium effort. It's like a totally different disc than the '21s. I haven't tried the 2023 destroyer but I'm not super hopeful about it. Thanks for making the video!

@lukasnichols7212 Жыл бұрын

haha my pink cheimberg destroyer is the beefiest disc ive ever thrown. literally dumps right out of my hand. (not a flex, but i throw 450 golf shot) crazy stable

@joshuawaddell6640 Жыл бұрын

Would've liked to have seen some forehand throws with these discs for comparison (personally) but still good content nonetheless.

@NateTurner Жыл бұрын

The blue 2021 is my go to for OS windy shots!

@BodanzaDiscGolf Жыл бұрын

yeah, looks sick too! I'll play ya for it ;)

@NateTurner Жыл бұрын

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@BodanzaDiscGolf Жыл бұрын

after our suit is settled of course. Have your representation reach out to mine!

@cortlandeblejr.7460 Жыл бұрын

Pretty sure the Jonesboro commemorative destroyers were printed on ‘21 halo destroyers. I could be wrong but none of the ‘22s had a white base.

@gumbilicious1 9 ай бұрын

I don’t know about halos, but there are a number of discs from innova that I came to love and when I tried to replace them the new ones threw nothing like the old ones. I don’t bag innova anymore, I only bag stuff I can easily replace with standard consistent off-the-shelf models and plastics

@brettcallahan4297 Жыл бұрын

As someone who throws a little bit further (450-500) and who uses the Halo Destroyer as my primary distance driver, I definitely prefer the 2021 mold of the halo destroyer. The pop top on it was more noticeable and it was more stable than the other two. Right off the shelf it was extremely overstable compared with the other two, but after it a few rounds with it, it started to flip up to flat and glide whereas the other tended to turn a little bit more. For me the 2021 was also much more dependable in the wind as well. To be honest, I really did not like the gummy feel of the 2023 destroyer and have started to use the new horizon cloudbreaker instead which felt more like something in between the 2021 and 2022 destroyer to me.

@bambino1008 Жыл бұрын

I like the addition of fieldwork in these review-style videos since we get to see the variations between the discs being compared. I think having the entire fieldwork session in one part of the video (or as a precursor to a course video) would help my understanding of flights as opposed to bouncing between fieldwork and playing a course.

@michaeldowney6533 11 ай бұрын

The Destroyer has been my go to since I started playing! I need to grab a couple newer ones to compare them though.

@zachsnyder5444 Жыл бұрын

Calvin among many others have said it depends on color. I would get the same colors from different years to compare

@ThomasDercole2230 Жыл бұрын

use the gummier one for colder weather

@zackm7632 Жыл бұрын

I've always wanted to see a review on these. THANK YOU

@ThomasDercole2230 Жыл бұрын

if you go back and watch your throws when you were trying to get them flat you will notice that on pull backs that were closer to chest height resulted in a flater release, when your pull back is lower the natural tendency of your shoulder is to swing in a hyzer.

@BodanzaDiscGolf Жыл бұрын

I've noticed this (slightly) but it's a great cue to remind myself. Thank you!

@FatGooseArts Жыл бұрын

I ABSOLUTELY want to see more reviews like this please!

@bendavies251 Жыл бұрын

I thought the main critique was about consistency *within* runs, not between them?

@elmertorres9411 Жыл бұрын

Love your putting! It’s all about getting it in the basket! Best of luck to you! Can’t wait to see you on your soon!

@elmertorres9411 Жыл бұрын

Tour*

@vega1221 Жыл бұрын

I'm in the thick of form change like you too and get the feeling. My first tournament is tomorrow and feeling decent about it. I have developed tennis elbow so I get your issues...I'm around 400 consistent and can go like 450 on good shots. We just gotta keep going. I was like a 350 player 1 year ago, so its working! Also Graces FTW

@MattGames890 Жыл бұрын

Hey, the Jonesboro run is still a 2021 based calvin destroyer, even though it came out in 2022

@JazzInATinCan Жыл бұрын

Yo. Good video. Also: youre doing good! This stuff takes time.

@nixx1195 Жыл бұрын

could not have come at a better time. i was looking to buy a calvin destroyer very soon but wanted to know what run and if they differed

@ryanholland1096 Жыл бұрын

That black Calvin is a ‘21. All ‘22’s had colored flight plates.

@m1erze Жыл бұрын

2021 can definitely handle any headwind on tour for a good 6 months before it starts beating in, unless you are just murdering trees

@owenfoster661 Жыл бұрын

Great video idea! Form lookin nice and smooth too!

@scottleamy Жыл бұрын

The only thing that matters with destroyers or any high speed drivers for that matter is first the weight and second the shape of the underside of the rim. Typically the more curve on the underside the more stable it will be. I look for an almost flat underside and you'll get that less stable flight path.

@ChaosKLC Жыл бұрын

Garrett Gurthie S-Blend Emperor. You're welcome in advance!

@RobMonroe97 Жыл бұрын

If you want a super over stable, high speed driver, I recommend trying the nuke OS. I use that for 30 mph head wind, and it stays true. We have relatively comparable arm, speed, and distance… I throw my star destroyers on flat ground about 450 to 475.

@jonathane984 Жыл бұрын

Watch the "Is That Good?" (Eric Oakley) episode of the Calvin Detroyers from last year. I believe the black rims were the "straighter" 2022's while the white and yellow rims were the "beefy" ones.

@bhamm80 Жыл бұрын

also, if you want some diff flights, destroyers come in so many diff weights.. try messing with the weights to find your favorite.

@Shlimebag Жыл бұрын

I have 2 2022 Calvin destroyers, the white rim version was more overstable than those brand new now it’s beat into my bomber disc. I also throw distance forehand so that could make a difference.

@javierh35 Жыл бұрын

What’s going to be your home course in Denver?

@reebthelegend Жыл бұрын

Also - black rim is not 2022, it is the 2021 - 2022 are pink/white, chartreuse/pink, and i believe pink/blue

@HonduDan 3 ай бұрын

You need one of those 23 Philo Destroyers brotha.

@NewEraMusic972 Жыл бұрын

2021 Heimburg Halo Destroyer is my most dependable disc. Beats in pretty quick & as it does it loses just enough over stability & still fights the wind great. 2022 seems a lil stiffer out of the box & flies more over stable than the 2021 for me. 2022 is my heavy wind disc. Gota try the 2023.

@Keloskate822 Жыл бұрын

Snag some emperors. Little bit less stable but absolutely hold in the wind!

@OkieTradez Жыл бұрын

why i dont like the destroyer for max distance or headwind bcuz the wind turns it to anhyzer then it will never come out of that anny and just proceed to glide 200 ft to the right of where you wanna be every time.. i want to find disc similar to destroyer but instead of -1 turn i wanna find something -.05 turn like the Nuetron Panic for example i think this can be put on anhyzer and it wont hold that turn too long or get turned over into headwinds but still not be too overstable it wont go anywhere etc.

@fangshuei6077 Жыл бұрын

Destroyers have never been consistent. But still my favorite disc because of the feel in the hand and versatility of the disc

@codyschut6944 Жыл бұрын

Just off the title , I’m lovin the concept

@bearislandjosh5279 Жыл бұрын

I'd be interested to see how those would stack compare flight wise to my AJ Destroyer

@bryanjenks3444 Жыл бұрын

What part of Denver you moving to? I’m sure we’ll run into each other at some point!

@gabemccann3068 Жыл бұрын

The stiff black or blue rim stock run 2022’s are actually pretty straight for a destroyer

@DiceptionDesigns Жыл бұрын

halo destroyers especially the calvins handle OAT really well and fight back better with more revs. IMO

@PokeKid2324 Жыл бұрын

2:13 Damn didn’t have to come after us noodle arms 😔

@jacobterrell1650 Жыл бұрын

I think these different runs were produced with a different end product in mind

@joelpeterson1731 Жыл бұрын

The Jonesboro isn’t the 2022 run, it’s the same as the 2021 run. The 2022 is very different.

@dr.boogie Жыл бұрын

Keep up the diversity. Makes your channel addictive

@JoshJackson13 Жыл бұрын

You can get 400 if you throw Zues and Hades. We have exact same Back hand arm speed. But I do throw 375-400 on 4 hand with destroyers

@JoshJackson13 Жыл бұрын

On Back hand I throw destroyers just like you did on the hole you played. Ripped hard low and flat

@jakereedholm7201 Жыл бұрын

I think that the bottom stamp Jonesboro halo destroyers are actually extra 2021 runs that they had not stamped yet

@bobbybobman3073 Жыл бұрын

Oh bless his heart, claiming he only threw those about 340-360. Makine us feel human too.

@Bulwark515 Жыл бұрын

The flow throws like a more stable grace with my experience. May be worth the try.

@danielfish1255 Жыл бұрын

I do wonder if there is another disc that fits well in this slot. You could be the first to find.

@adamchilders-arnold2221 Жыл бұрын

The stock 22 Calvin Destroyers, depending on their color, have different stability. If I remember correctly Calvin said the Pink/White ones were the most Beefy of all destroyers

@TimmyP_ Жыл бұрын

I think he mentions the chartreuse ones were beef also in the Eric Oakley “is it good” video

@kwik5150 Жыл бұрын

The pink ones are crazy stable

@Onlinus Жыл бұрын

Don't know if you have thrown Kastaplast Grym X? I think you would really like it :)

@twmccoy100 Жыл бұрын

You could grab a dozen star Destroyers of varying runs and find maybe 4-5 that are really good fliers. The others will likely be too overstable and lack glide. That said, I've seen the most variance in stock runs of star Destroyers. You get overall more consistency among tour series runs. The plastic is just way better quality. I've only thrown 1 of the 3 discs profiled in this vid, a '21 Heimberg. Big dome, and VERY overstable.

@tonykaze Жыл бұрын

It's probably the same mold and same plastic - so if they're different it might be more about the plastic aging. Some plastics shrink or become less plastic (flexible) over time faster than others. Less flexible / more brittle would make discs more stable. This would normally be overshadowed by wear, but when comparing UNUSED discs from years ago, this effect could be really pronounced. Would also be a bit more "scientific" if you tried these blind (not knowing which was which) and tried like 5 throws per disc at least.

@adamhinton807 Жыл бұрын

Big Jerm Halo Boss if you want more beef

@BodanzaDiscGolf Жыл бұрын

totally, just don't know if I'll have more release issues with the rim size. Definitely want to try it out though!

@DoubledsFOD Жыл бұрын

True! Soo much dome!

@blaisegregory8695 Жыл бұрын

cannot wait for the snow to melt here so i can stand in a field and unload my bag without fear of losing a disc

@armandofragajr.7099 Жыл бұрын

Shadow throws for me up here in the northeast...damn ❄️

@chrisr.8395 Жыл бұрын

I have not tried the 23 Calvin halo destroyers but in my experience the 21 (blue with green rim) was definitely more understable than my 22 (pink with blue rim)

@chrisr.8395 Жыл бұрын

When you get the arm speed up try the halo star boss. I don't have huge hands either but they're quite comfortable. Or try the new discraft venom when it comes out the 10th

@hiddenleaf414 Жыл бұрын

Interesting. The inconsistency of Innova Destroyers will always surprise me.

@gustafandersson237 Жыл бұрын

I have 3 halo discs. All of them have completely different feels. One is stiffer than opto x while another is gummy.

@hiddenleaf414 Жыл бұрын

Interesting because I have all three and the 21 version for me is by far the most gummiest.

@AlgorithmDG Жыл бұрын

Way too beefy for most of us for sure, I'm loving the S Line DD3 for that OS DD slot personally, it's more like a beat in destroyer which is probably best for anybody not throwing 400+.

@hagenschwark8908 Жыл бұрын

Those aren’t the 2022 Calvins destroyers… those are stock run halo destroyers from 2022 they put a commemorative stamp on it. 2022s Calvin’s all had pink flight plates

@Stever16 Жыл бұрын

Destroyers would be 13 speeds by any other manufacturers standards fyi. 2.3 cm rim.

@OkieTradez Жыл бұрын

5:39 seems like youre lined up for a straight shot then you hold it forever and release it way to the right even thought your body is lined up for a straight shot making it look like a grip lock or something

@coopercrawford3545 Жыл бұрын

If you’re looking for utility, if you can find a James Proctor Max that’s a good one 11/3/0/5

@RollTideJD Жыл бұрын

I typed up a big long essay, but then decided it wasn't worth arguing with random people on the internet....

@tannerhaddock311 Жыл бұрын

What brand of shorts are you wearing?

@BodanzaDiscGolf Жыл бұрын

just cheap amazon ones

@zebhosman9388 Жыл бұрын

Matty O crushes graces farther than you probably ever will ever get a destroyer… roll tide

@adammontgomery9752 Жыл бұрын

You should try fuzion enforcer and maybe compare it to lucid. The lucid chameleon 2021 handeye ones are silly overstable

@KarstRats Жыл бұрын

I have a hand eye hatchet that I absolutely hate lol. I keep it in the bag so my discs don flop around. It's like green with the hand eye logo so it's cool but a terrible disc for my form.

@1andonlyMiro Жыл бұрын

I like the conceot BUT you chose tour series discs, which are selected from the ones that come out especially well from the mold. I feel like you should just get regular runs of a disc for this.

@reebthelegend Жыл бұрын

Stability changes a lot based off of color alone. Black rim 2021 vs blue rim 2021 is the same disc in name and mold, but not in stability

@iBenJammin Жыл бұрын

Have you thrown a Rask before? Super fast OS driver (but comfortable in hand), might be worth trying for this beefcake slot

@gumbilicious1 9 ай бұрын

‘I am sorry I am a noodle arm, maybe I can get the destroy 400 ft’ Yeah, who is going to tell him he’s throwing farther than just about every casual I ever met

@cheeseanddairy Жыл бұрын

White rim/pink center 2022 vinny destroyers are crazy overstable

@prattacaster Жыл бұрын

Why not go with an Enforcer, if you're looking for just a wind fighter?

@Exploitiv Жыл бұрын

Of you were to buy 20 of the same mold, color and weight of a destroyer maybe two of them will fly exactly the same. Maybe. Your better off buying 5 and testing them out take the two that best suits your style of throwing.

@TStevesDiscGolf Жыл бұрын

That black one is the 2021 run not the 2022

@TStevesDiscGolf Жыл бұрын

Also, the blue and pink 2022s are bombers for people with 350-400 power. I could get one to push to 430ish. The 2021 run are all nice and beefy. Haven’t thrown the 2023 yet. The white and pink 2022 are supposed to be very stable as well

@jdezzy245 Жыл бұрын

another great video, but you seem to be lacking confidence in yourself. great content. Stay positive.

@OkieTradez Жыл бұрын

my stiffer discs are more understable then my gumby discs , my gumby discs are meat hooks

@ShredSledWoodPush Жыл бұрын

Destroyers are my favorite driver, but I only aim for pfn/patent numbers, *D and S/DS. I haven’t bought a run after 2016 for that reason, once they became embossed they became more inconsistent

@calebdyer6332 Жыл бұрын

Buy a beat up destroyer out of a used section. They’re so money

@Ramus223 Жыл бұрын

Pretty sure the color of the rim matters for Calvin’s destroyers…

@punkassthug Жыл бұрын

I bought three 2021 Vinny’s… two pinks and a purple all max weight…. The purple was crazy overstable the two pinks were disappointingly not very overstable…. Try a purple one 🤷‍♂️

@bradhuddleson5216 Жыл бұрын

The inconsistent rumors are by players who are mid 950 rated and have no idea what they're doing half of the time.

@teenor1823 Жыл бұрын

I would definitely scale weigh them even though they are generally close in weight. 1 or 2 grams can make a huge difference in perceived stability. Dye colors have always affected stability historically and I'm not personally a big fan of these dyes for consistency between runs. They do look sick and sell well though.