This I don't understand. It's similar to keyboards and people get hand problems from keyboards. I'm not saying stick is any better or worse but I feel like people are coping with leverless. The thing whatever Alex Myers uses would be ergnomically better.

@@KillingMoon_ People get hand problems with mice. It is extremely, beyond uncommon to get hand problems from using a keyboard since the position of your hands while using it is their default position when doing nothing.

@@KillingMoon_ The hand and wrist structure has a lot of different muscles, tendons, and moving bones/joints. MnK, leverless, and stick all use different combinations of those. Some people tear up their wrists, and using a stick aggravates those muscles a lot. It seems to be a pretty common problem. Whether it is genetic, from work, an accident, or just moving it constantly in ways it wasn't meant to be with a stick, wrists can wear down, and that usually negatively affects the hand structure as well, leading to hand problems from trying to compensate for the wrist. Same thing can happen with fingers, although our fingers are made to move and twitch a lot more, so you hear about finger problems a lot less. Also, leverless controllers usually have enough of an ergonomic difference compared to a keyboard to allow for a more relaxed hand posture while using them. I have have to bridge my hand more on my keyboard to avoid extra key hits, where as my leverless feels more ergonomic in general. The short of it is, with hands having so many moving parts that can wear down, sometimes all someone needs to fix a hand and/or wrist problem is removing a stick, which requires wrist motions, and replacing it with keys of some form and changing the hand posture a bit. For transparency, I play on leverless now, but that's because I've been a MnK user my whole life and when I got into fighting games, I really struggled with accurate stick inputs. I loved how the stick felt, but dropped inputs were killing me and my enjoyment of the games I played. My switch to leverless was completely because I was bad with stick and found keyboard cumbersome with how small and clustered the keys are. MnK was doable, but not the most enjoyable.

@@KillingMoon_ those who get pain from keyboards most likely have really bad desk posture in general. a good example is if their desk is too high or too low, it will give you an unnatural angle for your wrists to rest on when typing on a keybooard. this is why leverless prevents that from happening IF you have your leverless resting on your lap on a negative angle. so yeah it's not cope but further research is needed to properly prevent hand problems. the only real problem leverless prevents out of the gate is that leverless will not ruin your left wrist with all the sudden jerk movements compared to when using a stick.

I'm not old, but I'm also getting handpain with pad, so I just play leverless.

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Bought mine yesterday today it's coming in and I agree totally worth the price range. Got the bigger model, T13, for only $76 compared to the Razer Kitsune being $300.

Got my t13. Love it for gorilla hands.

@@Nostalgiaforinfi big facts feels like I'm playing piano while fighting Just installed some Kalihs Silent Choc V2 and the THOOOOOOOOOOOOCC is too good.

Also many inputs are actually faster on a joystick. 5 Japanese pro players tested how fast they can do ⬇️↘️➡️⬇️↘️➡️🅿️ super and leverless and a pad averaged 22.5 frames and joystick averaged 13.5 frames

@@epicon6 I also cheat because i have a crossup so for games that allow it, I can use the button to dash, but I do everything else on stick. I mainly play SF6 and 3rd strike though and it’s illegal on one and not possible in the other

@@GramdalfFGC I lived in Japan from 2009-2015 and spent thousands of dollars in the arcades and i love the arcade culture there so much and want to keep that alive, so i’ll always play fighting games with a stick and buttons, and don’t even use any macros for throws or other moves because i enjoy using 1-4 in Tekken more and 1-6 on SF and other 6b games.

I have a leverless button box, but I think one of the things that doesn't get stressed enough on why it doesn't feel as natural as pad or stick is because there is no pivot for directional movement. I think it is an advantage, but also a disadvantage. There are tricks you can take advantage of without having a pivot, but it if the devices you are used to had a pivot (i.e. pad or stick) and the way you learned how to make motion inputs via rocking said pivot, those skills don't transition well to a leverless button box. People always talk about how you get so much more precision on this new style of controller, but I think the con is it requires YOU to be WAY MORE precise for half circle and full circle motions. I find it way harder to do motion inputs in general on leverless button box. Because since there is no pivot, pressing any simultaneous opposing cardinal directions (SOCD) causes your inputs to cancel out. I can't just easily mash out 360s and 720s on button box (yet). Something that was such a simple, crude input that is natural as hell for me on pad suddenly requires ridiculously more dexterity on leverless button box. I think I want to try stick for the fun factor, but also for the customization and better durability than pad. Many of the modern pads on the market just aren't built for longevity.

​@@SolidBrenYou're right. On leverless you have to be precise to do motion inputs, whereas on stick there's a room for error

I learnt it on KOFXIII.

i learned leverless on 3rd strike . sf6 feels too lenient now

Hey its nice to hear when someone prefer stick over leverless. I've been using leverless too for over a year and I'm going back to stick too. I play KoF mostly so I "have" to use stick. But I still play leverless in SF6.

Like, picture the Eswap pro controller with 2 buttons module on each side

There’s plenty of entry level options (haute 42 and SGF $50/$100) just got a haute g13 myself for $60

@@jamalallen8047 right even more the reason why leverless sticks shouldn't cost the same as a vlx

@@jonsf I agree I couldn’t imagine spending that just find out there’s cheaper options glad I waited 💪🏾

Haute 42 t13 is 👌

@@jonsf You have weird notions of how pricing works.

I luv challenges, so why extra buttons?! In fact if I wanted to, I could use the two first buttons for parrying and stuff, doing EX-moves by pressing punch or kick buttons simultaneously. I use only 4 buttons in Tekken8. 🕹️🔘🔘 ....🔘🔘

I don’t even know what that means

​@@markchavez738BlazBlue Central Fiction

Here we go again

As a Makoto main in BBCF, I respect the tenacity and second the vote 👍

@@VoiceFGC Ayy another Makoto main :^)

Just get something else? Haute 16 is a pretty good alternative, and its super affordable!

@@MaximumSpank I have something else 👍

It would be hard to sell a specialized product and pay the PS5 licensing fees and sell it for $150.

It's not that the tech is fancy, it's production scale. Leverless controllers are still super niche - there's nowhere near the economy of scale compared to a Switch. Many games consoles sell at a loss. The idea being once people have the console they'll spend money on games which generates profit. Different business models and very different manufacturing scales.

@@udderhippo Bro ths ps5 production cost is 550, it is sold at 500 dollars with a 50 dollars loss, it has a gpu, a cpu, rams, an incredible SSD, and the dual sense, the production cost of leverless controller is like 5 dollars.

@@khaledPortgas yes, and Sony sells millions of units so economy of scale applies. A leverless company is lucky if they're selling more than a few hundred units. Plus many of them have no other income avenues. Not saying they're not overpriced, just saying the kind of technology in there isn't the reason they're priced high.

Haute42 open source leverless is much cheaper compared to those expensive name brand controllers

@@udderhippo There's also the PS5 support and licensing. It's amazing how much more expensive PS5-compatible versions are.

Lol no. Pad is perfectly fine and arcade is fun af (i just hate how unpractical it is)

Honestly its preference, Hitbox is in theory better but you can win on anything.

True

Tell that to over half of the top players not using that shit and still sitting comfortably on top of

for the most part i agree but some games id argue are worse on leverless. Mainly Snk and older titles

please explain with specifics

@SackTap69 his guilty verdict 🤣

@@SackTap69 He forgot to keep the fighting in the game

​@@faaltov I literally don't know what he did or was accused of. What did he do?

@@SackTap69 he beat his wife and was found hella guilty in Korean court

Level 2 is cool and he manages meter well.

"There's no proper evidence of leverless being faster than stick" This is factually wrong but okay

this has to be bait because its crazy how the irony of your first sentence was just lost on you

You lost me when you compared it leverless to playing shooters on leverless too

"There's no proper evidence of leverless being faster than stick" Are you dumb? Even disregarding the proof that is already available, the fact that a stick needs you to move your hand so the lever reaches the inputs while a leverless only requires you to press a button, means the later will be faster. It is literally faster to press a button than move something. That's a straight up fact. Having to move something from point A to point B will always be slower than just pressing a button. It is straight up physics my dude.