"IS IT GOD OR GURU?!" ALI AND SIKH DEBATE SPEAKERS CORNER

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@reviver000
@reviver000 Ай бұрын
Take a few seconds and say: - Astaghfirullah × 3 times - SubhanAllah × 3 times - Alhamdulillah × 3 times - Allahu Akbar × 3 times - La ilaha illallah × 3 times Congratulations on the good deeds for both of us.
@naderzaal
@naderzaal Ай бұрын
IF Guru was created by God why worship God's creation and not the creator alone. God should be worshiped alone period.
@panda1412.
@panda1412. Ай бұрын
more importantly why would they not discuss certain topics that pertain to their literal salvation... probably because their concepts fall apart when you use common sense.
@sahilgrewal7509
@sahilgrewal7509 Ай бұрын
@@panda1412. just like islam falls apart with the slightest common sense
@fedesetrtatio1
@fedesetrtatio1 Ай бұрын
My friend stop trying to point fingers at other when you are living in a glass house yourself. Although you claim to worship Allah but it the actual fact. 1. Mohammad. 2. Quran. 3. Then Allah.
@naderzaal
@naderzaal Ай бұрын
@@fedesetrtatio1 Sorry u haven't even researched Islam yet. Do your research and come back again.
@fedesetrtatio1
@fedesetrtatio1 Ай бұрын
@@naderzaal We Kafirs do a lot of research. While Muslims parrot learns verses from the Quran for barakah we Kafirs are critically analyzing the Quran before we tear it to pieces with facts. And it is a fact - although you deny it - Mohammad first, then the Quran, and last Allah. Muslims know nothing about Allah and have no relationship with him whatsoever.
@IncognitoTrap
@IncognitoTrap Ай бұрын
They’ve mixed and meddled with Islam and especially Hinduism to form Sikhism
@gsingh9393
@gsingh9393 Ай бұрын
Just to say that’s untrue brother because our first prophet stated he’s not a Hindu and neither a Muslim, please read the Guru Granth Sahib ji to know the whole truth 🙏
@user-zi8qe6tf9f
@user-zi8qe6tf9f Ай бұрын
انَا اختكمَ مَن اليمَن وّالَلَه ماتكلمتَ الَا من جوّع وًّمَنَ ضَيَقَ الَحَالَ انَا وًّامَيَ وًّاخَوًّتَيَ تَشَرَدَنَا مَنَ بَيَوًّتَنَا بَسَبَبَ الَحَرَبَ نَحَنَ فَيَ حَالَهَ لَايَعَلَمَ بَهَا الَا الَلَهَ حَسَبَنَا الَلَهَ وًّنَعَمَ الَوكيَلَ فَيَ مَنَ اوًّصَلَنَا الَى هَاذا الَحَالَ 💔💔وًّالَلَهَ الَعَظَيَمَ مَا كتَبَتَ هَذا الَمَنَاشَدَهَ غَيَرَ مَنَ الَضَيَقَ وّالَفَقَر يَاعَالَمَ حَسَوّا فَيَنَا ارَجَوّكمَ وّالَلَهَ الَعَظَيَمَ رَبَ الَعَرَشَ الَعَظَيَمَ انَه الَاكلَ مَا فَيَ عَنَدَيَ بَالَبَيَتَ وًّالَلَهَ يَا اخَوّانَيَ انَهَ اخَوًّنَيَ بَقَعَدَوًّ بَالَيَوًّمَيَنَ مَافَى اكلَ وًّالَلَهَ وًّضَعَنَا كثَيَرَ صَعَبَ نَحَنَ 4 نَفَرَ دَاخَلَ الَبَيَتَ وًّابَيَ مَتَوًّفَيَ وًّلَا يَوًّجَدَ مَنَ يَعَوًّلَ عَلَيَنَا وًّسَاكنَيَنَ فَيَ بَيَتَ اجَارَ لَانَسَتَطَيَعَ دَفَعَ الَاجَارَ الَلَيَ بَاقَيَ عَلَيَنَا ''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' اخي اول كلامي انا اقسم بالله على كتاب الله اني لااكذب عليك ولا انصب ولا احتال اني بنت يمنيه نازحين من الحرب انا واسرتي بيننا ایت الشهرب 20 الف يمني والان علينا 60 الف حق 3 شهور وصاحب البيت من الناس الي ماترحم والله يا اخي انه يجي كل يوم يبهدلنا ويتكلم علينا ويريد من البيت للشارع لانناماقدرنا ندفعله الأجار شافونا الجيران نبكي ورجعو تكلمو الجيران ومهلنالاخره الأسبوع معادفعنا له حلف يمين بالله هذا بيخرجنا إلى الشارع رحمه واحنا. بلادنا بسبب هذا الحرب ولانجد قوت يومنا وعايشين اناوامي واخوتي سفار والدنا متوفي الله يرحمه ومامعنا أحد في هذا الدنيا جاانبنا في هذه الظروف القاسيه اخوتي الصغار خرجو للشارع وشافو الجيران ياكلو واوقفو عند بابهم لجل يعطوهم ولو كسره خبز والله الذي له ملك السموات والارض انهم غلفو الباب وطردوهم ورجعو یبکو ایموتو من الجوع ما احد رحمهم وعطلة ردها لقمت عیش والان لوما احدنا ساعدنا في إيكيلو دقيق اقسم بالله انموت من الجوع فيا اخي انا دخيله على الله ثم عليك واريد منك المساعده لوجه الله انشدك بالله تحب الخير واتساعدني ولو ب 500 ريال يمني مع تراسلي واتساب على هذا الرقم 00967717354582 وتطلب اسم بطاقتي وترسلي ولاتتاخر وايعوضك الله بكل خير اخواني سغار شوف كيف حالتهم وساعدنا وأنقذنا قبل أن يطردونا في الشارع تتبهدل أو نموت من الجوع وانا واسرتي نسالك بالله لولك مقدره على مساعد لاتتاخر علينا وجزاك الله خيرا،.،.،:^:؛^:;";""💔😢😭»)/«(»)/«(»)/🎉😢😢🎉🎉😢😢😢😢🎉😢😢😢😢
@itsahmed450
@itsahmed450 Ай бұрын
So my understanding from this is, the Sikhs go to Guru's for knowledge and guidance, but God for everything else, suggesting God is deficient in guidance?
@zaykayzk
@zaykayzk Ай бұрын
Most Muslims also go to Hadiths for guidance, whats the difference.
@SunMoon477
@SunMoon477 Ай бұрын
And u go to hadiths and quran 😂
@itsahmed450
@itsahmed450 Ай бұрын
@@zaykayzk the difference is we don't say "Hadith/Quran give me guidance". Also, in the extremely nicest way possible, if in your opinion there's no difference, why follow Sikhism and not Islam?
@zaykayzk
@zaykayzk Ай бұрын
@@itsahmed450 I am a Muslim I just wanted to see your answer. Jazakhallah Akhi.
@sunwillrise84
@sunwillrise84 16 күн бұрын
🤦🏾🤦🏾🤷‍♂️ the Sikh guy is saying something so simple yet Muslims are hard headed. You guys do the same thing. You follow Quran which then helps you (hopefully) to reach god. Sikhs do same we pray to god and only him. We follow the guru to help us reach him.
@WilliamLovlee-wc4fq
@WilliamLovlee-wc4fq Ай бұрын
That's how you have a great conversation on both sides
@IncognitoTrap
@IncognitoTrap Ай бұрын
I’ve read into religions, ideologies and cults - I see only Islam as the one true way of life. So many things don’t make sense in Sikhism but I’ll stick to the basic flaws first. Other than major issues with contradictions and ideology, there are the BASIC flaws I see in Sikhism: The first big flaw is that the concept of five Ks ( Kacchha, Kirpaan, kanga, kesh, karaa) is exact opposite of teachings of first Guru - Guru Naanak. He was against all such shallow rituals which don’t really aid on the journey towards God. In his 4 great journeys (Udaasiayaan), he criticized such ritualism and practicies. And yet, the 10th Guru introduced such a practice - which is prevalent and propagating. This is a huge antithesis or paradox within Sikhism. # Another flaw is no clear stance on Hindu idols. At one side, idol worship is prohibhited in sikhism. On the other side, entire gurbaani is replete with the mentionings of Hindu idols - Raam, Krishn, Hari… etc. If they wanted to renounce the practice of idol worship, they shouldn’t have included the hindu idols in the Gurubaani… that too so many times… so repeated! Sikhs argue that though gurus mentioned these idols repeatedly but they don’t consider them God… they just want to praise the ultimate formless God who was working through these idols. But God is working through everything. Why mention these idols again and again, and at the same time expect the people to get oriented to formless God! Why create such a confusion!? There are millions of things available in the universe to illucidate the magnificence and glory of God. All the rituals about Guru Granth Sahib are no short of idol worship. It is shifted to a bed at night as if it needs to sleep. Continuous manual fanning is done over the holy book during day time. Such rituralisitc practices are against the central spirit of Guru Naanak's teachings. #2 This flaw, which in my opinion is the most serious one, is exclusion of Yogic approach and details. Here too, there is no clear stance, as usual. The Baani repeatedly uses this word Yog, Yogi… but nowhere gives a clear option of practicing the structured Yog. There are certain verses which seem to be shunning the yogic practice. The roots of this issue lie in an event - Sidh Goshti - a debate between Guru Naanak and certain yogis he met. From the documented conversation it is very clear that whosoever he had this debate with, that Yogi(s) had no cenrtal understanding of Yogic approach and details. It seems that some of the ten Gurus witnessed, in their times, yog being practiced in wrong manner with wrong objectives; and formed their opinion on yog from that. But then, if so, they should have abstained from the using the world yog, yogi…etc in positive sense in their baani. Both Sikhism and sikh people seem to be in notion that yog (yoga) is a merely a practice of forming physical postures with the objective of attaining God. Even many Hindus carry this wrong notion. Bu actually, the core objective and skill of yogic practices is controlling attention and awareness. Once control or command over attention & awareness is attained, one can focus it towards ‘Naam’… god.. or anything for that matter. #3 This is in continuation from the previous point. There is no clear method & detail for doing mediation in Sikhism. There is no elaborate technical detail on this matter; unlike 3rd chapter of Patanjali Yog Sootrr or Bhaairav Vigyaan. Meditaion or focussing is one of the key things in Sikhism. Dhyaan karna… naam japna… is essentially an act of focussing and meditation. But the aspects of developing the skills about dhyaan (attention & consciousness) are not covered. #4 None of the 10 Gurus ever used the term ‘Waheguru’ in their baani for refering to God. It occurs only 13 times in entire baani. This term is actually a term for praising the Gurus. Yet in Sikhism ‘Waheguru’ has become the word for God. This again is directly antithetical to the teachings and spirit of the Gurus. Using ‘Waheguru’ - which is actually a derivative of ‘Wah Guru’ - for refering to God is actually a hidden act of calling the Gurus as God. The gurus specifically shunned it. They specifically told that they should never be considered as God. Besides this main arguement here, there is another issue. Why should a word which was never used by the Gurus gain so much prevalence and centrality? Where are those words for the God which gurus used? Why are those words not in practice in Sikhism? #5 Every core concept used in Sikhism had existed in India much much before the advent of even Guru Naanak. Unkaar (Om), 84 Lakkh joon (yonia), reincarnation, akaal (timeless), niraakaar (formless), nirgun (trait less), divine will (Hukum), picking up weapons for justice…. all was already known. Nothing was really a first time discovery or invention. And yet, there is continuous restless claim from sikhs that theirs is an entirely new and unique religion; different from Islam, and definitely different from Hindusim!! I don’t know where this baseless drive stems from. Largely, these are the points in my perspective. There are one or two other issues; but discussiong those fall out from the scope allowed by the context and space here.
@fedesetrtatio1
@fedesetrtatio1 Ай бұрын
What makes Islam the one true way of life. Show me one thing Islam teaches that other religions have not taught before.
@gsingh9393
@gsingh9393 Ай бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fblpY9OHl9_ZZZc.htmlsi=NO8BdsE0hGc36NFf Please watch brother, as this young gentleman in the video will explain when he read the Guru Granth Sahib ji and compared it with the Quran he said he felt with Islam it was like a pond of knowledge however with Sikhi it was the whole ocean of knowledge once again not being disrespectful but please know the whole truth not part of the truth 🙏
@gsingh9393
@gsingh9393 Ай бұрын
No offence but it seems Ali got caught up with his own knowledge @ 21:50
@IncognitoTrap
@IncognitoTrap Ай бұрын
? Please elaborate
@gsingh9393
@gsingh9393 Ай бұрын
@@IncognitoTrap​​⁠​​⁠​​⁠​​⁠ so basically Ali said through the video why believe in the guru and not god but when the young Sikh asked the same thing “why not go directly to god” Ali changed the tune, by saying allah had sent a messenger “because we’re human we need a human being”so in a sense is he not saying to understand allah you need to know Mohammad (Quran) not being disrespectful but please watch it carefully. 🙏
@kitz8261
@kitz8261 Ай бұрын
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