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Eight years ago, an arbitral tribunal housed in the Peace Palace in The Hague handed down a South China Sea Arbitration award, hailed by the West as a victory against "Chinese hegemony" and used to criticize China. However, China did not agree to the tribunal's jurisdiction and never recognized the legality of the case. Eight years on, the situation in the region has only worsened. What was behind China's non-participation? How far back can we trace this "see-you-in-court" approach from Western powers?
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@user-os7lh9dx5t
@user-os7lh9dx5t Ай бұрын
Philippines was still a colony of the US when at the Cairo declaration it was decided that SCS will be returned to China. When US gave independence to Philippines, she reminded Philippines that nothing in the SCS belongs to her. Even Malaysia, Vietnam, Brunei etc.. were still colony.
@Recardoperezsatos
@Recardoperezsatos Ай бұрын
No Chinese ancient artifacts found on those Reefs. How it's China?
@echoeorti6314
@echoeorti6314 15 күн бұрын
Even its called south china it doesn't mean that all of the sea it's belong to china. That is obviously wrong.
@ctbossing5515
@ctbossing5515 14 күн бұрын
haha what a joke.. pirates. haha
@Seven.Heavenly.Sins.666
@Seven.Heavenly.Sins.666 Ай бұрын
It was clearly indicated by Arbitral Tribunal's ruling that AT had no power to award the sovereignty of the disputed reefs in favor of the Philippine over China.
@billyesomann
@billyesomann Ай бұрын
The International Court of Arbitration is a private court that rents the place from ICJ, the fee of 30 million paid by the Phillippine later paid back by America, the Court's five judges were all Americans
@Seven.Heavenly.Sins.666
@Seven.Heavenly.Sins.666 Ай бұрын
@billyesomann Never mind about those judges' citizenship. By definition, the word arbitration means it must be in agreement by all parties, China and Philippine, in this case. Furthermore, all those disputed reefs were returned to China by the Japs in 1945. Philippine was not even an independent country until 1946, but it waited until 1996, 50 years later, to bring up the claim. Why?
@alice.wonder
@alice.wonder Ай бұрын
China knew from the beginning that they would not win the tribunal case. because they know that they will not win the evidence or papers presented by the Philippines that they will not win the case in the tribunal. so they don't want to accept it.... its not about western rule but china should follow international law......
@kaagapay_nyo
@kaagapay_nyo Ай бұрын
Arbitral rulling is legally binding in international laws. United nation recognised the unclos. China is the pirate in asean waters and only squatter at philippine EEZ's.
@alice.wonder
@alice.wonder Ай бұрын
​@@billyesomannChina knew from the beginning that they would not win the tribunal case. because they know that they will not win the evidence or papers presented by the Philippines that they will not win the case in the international court. so they don't want to accept it.... It's not about Western rule, but china should follow international law......
@kenlim4204
@kenlim4204 Ай бұрын
Who appointed the USA to be a world ruler?
@xman1533
@xman1533 Ай бұрын
They themselves by military superior.
@BonT777
@BonT777 Ай бұрын
USA
@alice.wonder
@alice.wonder Ай бұрын
China knew from the beginning that they would not win the tribunal case. because they know that they will not win the evidence or papers presented by the Philippines that they will not win the case in the international court. so they don't want to accept it.... It's not about Western rule, but china should follow international law......
@lincolneserio7620
@lincolneserio7620 Ай бұрын
Chinas wants that they are the Law of the world...
@unknown550c
@unknown550c Ай бұрын
Nobody did. But at least, the US does not unilatetally impose maritime boundaries despite an UNCLOS signatory, blatantly grab islands and bully smaller countries with less defense capabilities NOWADAYS even in front of media coverages.
@OliverRodriguez-n3c
@OliverRodriguez-n3c Ай бұрын
China is signatory of UNCLOS , the Philippines as well, therefore UNCLOS has jurisdiction over South China Sea conflict between China and Philippines. The problem is China is violator of international law because of its greediness.
@catsNcode
@catsNcode Ай бұрын
greediness? lol. Let me guess, you live in the West and you don't think your country is greedy :)
@jademoon1530
@jademoon1530 Ай бұрын
Haven't you been listening to the panel? The so called arbitration court had no ligitimacy, even under UNCLOS rules!!! What's wrong with peaceful bilateral discussions, diplomacy and pragmatic cooperation for the benefit of all parties and countries involved?
@catsNcode
@catsNcode Ай бұрын
@@jademoon1530 they don’t care. They already said they won’t give up 1km of it. Won’t even discuss with Vietnam either
@jademoon1530
@jademoon1530 Ай бұрын
@@catsNcode Sad, isn't it? Also, bringing possible war to peaceful Asia? Allowing more US military bases in the Philippines to provoke China? Promote Peace, not Wars; development, not destruction. Most importantly, NO NATO IN ASIA!!! Development can only happen in the presence of Peace! Liu Xin interviewed a British Intellectual Researcher who diligently studied past records in the UK and US for years and found loads of documents that acknowledged these islands in the SCS as belonging to China!
@Lost_Johnny
@Lost_Johnny Ай бұрын
Silly trolling.
@januariosolis7309
@januariosolis7309 Ай бұрын
UN members must abide international laws and must have acted in good faith. UNCLOS of 1982 and Arbitral Ruling of 2016 is a reality and must be obeyed.
@akiddies3911
@akiddies3911 Ай бұрын
2016 I'd a huge lie law for Philippines, america n Japanese, three countries operate their own offices and fooled ninoy aquino, pres.of Philippines, they lost millions in this case
@mrmateph729
@mrmateph729 Ай бұрын
Lol... What if your wife filed s divorced against you and selected the judge/s and paid for the proceedings?? Are you going to agree???
@MiverickBadon
@MiverickBadon Ай бұрын
​@@mrmateph729China is signatory to UNCLOS...u clown..
@skydragon23101979
@skydragon23101979 Ай бұрын
Uniclos of 1982 and the Arbitral Ruling is in contradiction so which do you choose to obey? You ask why because 2016 Ruling violated clause 298 of Uniclos.
@qfiver1547
@qfiver1547 Ай бұрын
Why does PH's arbitration have no legal standing? (A) International court has no jurisdiction over sovereignty issues what so ever. (B) According to UNCLOS, China and several nations for that matter, have the previlage not to join or accept any arbitrations rulings. (C) UNCLOS doesn't have anything to do with sovereignty claims which the dispute is all about in the SCS. In this case, the land feature (islands, reefs etc...) may be within PH's EEZ, but more importantly China has the sovereignty. (D) There sholud be no dispute. The post WW2 world order is clearly stipulated in the two declarations in Cairo (1943) and Potsdam (1945). The problem arises now when some states, the US in particular, do not honour their words and legal documents on which they have signed.
@Ernie.Esteban.724
@Ernie.Esteban.724 Ай бұрын
@@qfiver1547 You drunk! 1943 and 1945 only? How about the 1898 Washington Declaration? All Spanish territories draws in the Morillo Velarde map was handed over to the U.S. 💣💥
@tribonggala
@tribonggala 29 күн бұрын
@@qfiver1547 China signed and a member, China must follow the rules, stop poaching Philippine EEZ
@tomjoadtonsacab6624
@tomjoadtonsacab6624 27 күн бұрын
China always asserts their 9-lines illegitimate imaginary claims under their imagination and their own Law. They cannot accept the international rule of law because it contradict their Self- entitlement Claims even if its baseless, no historical proof of Evidence to Justify and just only their imagination to prove it. What a Greed and Hegemonic Ambition.
@Ernie.Esteban.724
@Ernie.Esteban.724 Ай бұрын
China was the signee of the UNCLOS. So they know that all countries are entitled to the 200 Nautical Miles territorial sea. 😮😮😮😮
@alice.wonder
@alice.wonder Ай бұрын
China knew from the beginning that they would not win the tribunal case. because they know that they will not win the evidence or papers presented by the Philippines that they will not win the case in the international court. so they don't want to accept it.... It's not about Western rule, but china should follow international law......
@frederickblanco9688
@frederickblanco9688 Ай бұрын
This is true .Period. Now you all know. so China should stop making wrong information
@lylac_
@lylac_ Ай бұрын
Shhhh it shock their little pea brain
@fzmoifzmoi2575
@fzmoifzmoi2575 Ай бұрын
Lol the 200 mile has nothing to do with territory! Where'd you get your info?? smh
@robertseaborne5758
@robertseaborne5758 Ай бұрын
At least now even the casual observer should know the difference between the UN endorsed 'International Law' and a hegemonic U.S. authored 'International Rules Based Order'.
@alice.wonder
@alice.wonder Ай бұрын
China knew from the beginning that they would not win the tribunal case. because they know that they will not win the evidence or papers presented by the Philippines that they will not win the case in the international court. so they don't want to accept it.... It's not about Western rule, but china should follow international law......
@alice.wonder
@alice.wonder Ай бұрын
China knew from the beginning that they would not win the tribunal case. because they know that they will not win the evidence or papers presented by the Philippines that they will not win the case in the international court. so they don't want to accept it.... It's not about Western rule, but china should follow international law......
@alice.wonder
@alice.wonder Ай бұрын
China knew from the beginning that they would not win the tribunal case. because they know that they will not win the evidence or papers presented by the Philippines that they will not win the case in the international court. so they don't want to accept it.... It's not about Western rule, but china should follow international law......
@alice.wonder
@alice.wonder Ай бұрын
China knew from the beginning that they would not win the tribunal case. because they know that they will not win the evidence or papers presented by the Philippines that they will not win the case in the international court. so they don't want to accept it.... It's not about Western rule, but china should follow international law......
@fzmoifzmoi2575
@fzmoifzmoi2575 25 күн бұрын
​​@@alice.wonderAnother subjugated Filipino grasping for a bit of pride? You're losing more of it and are already in the negatives..
@AntiwarObserver
@AntiwarObserver Ай бұрын
Any disputed island with an English or Spanish name obviously had been in Chinese history books long before they were given these new colonial names. Chinese claim is not new and clearly marked long before before the U.S even existed or even prioor to the Spanish setting foot in Asia. The PH claim is recent and U.S is wants to use it as pretext for war.
@niel01430
@niel01430 Ай бұрын
lol recent? there were the 1734 murillo velarder map which saying that scarboro shoal and spratleys are in the Philippines territory!
@rainieresguerra6519
@rainieresguerra6519 Ай бұрын
Lol! The 1937-1943 China Handbook published by the ROC Ministry of Health included a map if China which showed that the Spratleys and the Paracels were not part of China. It was only in the Revised and Expanded China Handbook 1937-1943 published in 1947 that the Spratleys and the Paracels were being claimed by China. And in the very same revised Handbook, China admitted that the Spratleys were already being contested by the Commonwealth of the Philippines and Indo China. China itself destroyed your lie that the Philippines just recently forwarded claims over the Spratleys.
@kuhaniresti
@kuhaniresti Ай бұрын
@@AntiwarObserver show your Chinese map
@fzmoifzmoi2575
@fzmoifzmoi2575 Ай бұрын
​@@niel01430Do you know how to read? snh
@kalamiadventures7210
@kalamiadventures7210 Ай бұрын
9 dash line are published on 2022 while 10 dash line are on 2023..😂😂 😂
@Ernie.Esteban.724
@Ernie.Esteban.724 Ай бұрын
If China don't recognize international law. What's the reason of all countries to recognize the One China Policy on Taiwan.
@mrmateph729
@mrmateph729 Ай бұрын
Lol... That's a court (PCA) that murika does not even respect. Why do you think murika did not sign to the UNCLOS?? It's because there are articles in UNCLOS that not suit them. But they want China to respect it. What hypocrite. Let me tell you sbout respect of intl law by murika...and UK. A few years ago, the ICJ, the INTERNATIONAL COURT OF JUSTICE (the UN legal agency) handed down its verdict regarding the Chagos Islands (Diego Garcia), to return it to the natives but both ignored the verdict and the MSM is silent about it.... Intl law which the west created, is for other nations to follow but not the hegemon. Btw, TAIWAN also rejected the PCA ruling. They're still clinging to their 11 dash lines claims.
@gryblk21
@gryblk21 Ай бұрын
I think you mean Western rule by OUTLAWS.
@jjjkurt84
@jjjkurt84 Ай бұрын
@@gryblk21 do not follow were west gine wrong
@kennbautista5375
@kennbautista5375 Ай бұрын
9 dash line will not hold. It is hard to defend in any court. 😅😅
@jettfranco
@jettfranco Ай бұрын
9dash line looks like a drawing of kindergarten emperor who still don't know how to draw straight line and just thinks the sea is his own without going there.
@unknown550c
@unknown550c Ай бұрын
Not to mention their historical claims which is hardly supported by documents. Luh!
@anikasantos2562
@anikasantos2562 Ай бұрын
The panel is a bunch of fixed mindset, the Filipina panel member is a notorious quisling
@user-fk4mh4hb6t
@user-fk4mh4hb6t Ай бұрын
I believe the commentators here are not aware that the UNCLOS arbitration was not properly carried out. An arbitration should have 2 claimants and an umpire acceptable by both parties. The 2016 arbitration is without the participation of China and without an umpire which is unlawful and invalid. At the time when the UNCLOS agreement was ratified, Philippines and China both opted out of the compulsory arbitration. Therefore both of them cannot compel other party to join the arbitration.
@rainieresguerra6519
@rainieresguerra6519 Ай бұрын
UNCLOS has an involuntary arbitration clause. And if China really believes it has a valid and legal claim over the Spratleys and Paracels, it should submit the dispute to a new arbitration- something which the Philippines said it is willing to do. China knows very well that its ever-changing 9,10 and 11 Dash Line claims are so ridiculous that it won't be able to prove them as having a legal basis.
@alice.wonder
@alice.wonder Ай бұрын
hina knew from the beginning that they would not win the tribunal case. because they know that they will not win the evidence or papers presented by the Philippines that they will not win the case in the international court. so they don't want to accept it....
@alice.wonder
@alice.wonder Ай бұрын
hina knew from the beginning that they would not win the tribunal case. because they know that they will not win the evidence or papers presented by the Philippines that they will not win the case in the international court. so they don't want to accept it....
@kingcrazymani4133
@kingcrazymani4133 Ай бұрын
Who were the signatories to UNCLOS? Why did most countries at the time sign onto the Treaty? Why did some not sign onto the Treaty? Clearly, signing the Treaty was not mandatory 40 years ago. Nor was ratifying the UNCLOS Treaty internally years later. Why did PRC ratify the Treaty? These seem to be the questions left out of public discussions.
@civicblade1
@civicblade1 27 күн бұрын
China signed up to UNCLOS with a specific clause that China can choose to not participate in arbitration and will not abide by arbitration rulings involving China when China has chosen not to participate. These are all allowed under UNCLOS. Countries sign up to UNCLOS for their own self interest. UNCLOS helps countries avoid conflict (especially for economic activities within the Exclusive Economic Zone). USA does not recognize UNCLOS so USA can be drilling for oil in your EEZ and you can do nothing about it.
@ramongabutina8015
@ramongabutina8015 26 күн бұрын
When China decided to grab the almost all of SCS,they changed their mind and decided not to honor UNCLOS because it is now contrary to their claim.
@MyVoice-bn1vj
@MyVoice-bn1vj Ай бұрын
Change the world, we support with new global economic interest support China Russia we want all Asian together interest, because kick out u.s. old dollar currency old economy old hegemony remove
@Freedmen-American-Reparations
@Freedmen-American-Reparations Ай бұрын
Where does Asia end and so-called europe begins?
@JustSan2016
@JustSan2016 Ай бұрын
In your dreams wumao! When the one country attempt to change the world currency it means they have a self-interest.That is a reality why china wants to attempt to change the world currency because it's greediness lookout the example of the disputed areas between the Philippines and china Where is the disputed areas position is very near to Philippines compare than the china a triple distance far.
@edmundlao3660
@edmundlao3660 Ай бұрын
China is a supporter of terrorist countries.. and yet you favor china? WTF
@jjjkurt84
@jjjkurt84 Ай бұрын
you are worst than west
@Freedmen-American-Reparations
@Freedmen-American-Reparations Ай бұрын
@jjjkurt84 Who is worse than the west?
@jhelai-edvlog4198
@jhelai-edvlog4198 Ай бұрын
Absolutely an international law. Bully's will not listen to law no matter what.
@daffyduck4195
@daffyduck4195 Ай бұрын
That is a spite, not a counter-argument. Forbidden in a debate.
@ben-wq8xi
@ben-wq8xi Ай бұрын
@@jhelai-edvlog4198 shes playing safe shouldn't be there in the first place...
@abnerladera4673
@abnerladera4673 Ай бұрын
The disputed area in south china sea is within in EEZ of the Philippines, and So it's clear that the UNCLOS in which agreed and signed by China to agree this law must be execute accordingly, to maintain the stability and peace in the region
@fzmoifzmoi2575
@fzmoifzmoi2575 Ай бұрын
@@abnerladera4673 You're not fishing! You're trying to deliver construction material to that junk ship your master commanded you to ground purposely! Or are you just this ignorant??
@user-fk4mh4hb6t
@user-fk4mh4hb6t Ай бұрын
@@abnerladera4673 The requirement for a lawful arbitration must have 2 claimants plus an umpire. The 2016 UNCLOS arbitration didn’t have the participation of China and didn’t have an umpire. That’s unlawful and illegal. That’s why China refused to recognize it!
@RosalieQuinto-zj7di
@RosalieQuinto-zj7di Ай бұрын
China must obey and respect international law verdict that invalidate Their claims.
@marlondeveza2346
@marlondeveza2346 Ай бұрын
For your information china was one of the signatories of united national law of the sea It has consist of around more than 180 countries signatories.if you referring to a western countries you are wrong . The involved this is issues are all community of nations.
@xervexczymycur6226
@xervexczymycur6226 Ай бұрын
Sorry I am a bit critical of one of the guests as it is always very easy to criticize others. 😅 I thought a program like this is to educate laypersons on the UNCLOS ruling regarding the dispute in the South China Sea between 2 countries. This is a very interesting discussion regarding the ruling. Ms Yan Yan is very knowledgeable on the issue but unfortunately her answer to the first question from Ms Liu Xin was too full of legal speak. I watched her answer a few times to break down exactly what she is saying but the terminologies used just flew right past me. Maybe I am just uneducated. Island features? Nansha Qing Dao? Zongsha Qing Dao? Maritime delimitation? Status of the component features? Territorial and Maritime delimitation disputes? Jurisdiction, admissibility, the termination, nature, content of the dispute, etc?? Spirit and principles? All these terms in just one answer and the laypersons are supposed to understand the issue? Even in the second answer to Ms Liu Xin when Ms Liu Xin tried to get her to explain more plainly, a few jargons still came out. I just gasped for air. However, her subsequent replies were more down to earth. I like Prof Warwick. His answers are simple, clear, directly answering the questions and easy to understand. That is the power of real communication.
@milaong9618
@milaong9618 Ай бұрын
I agree. That seems to be the problem of China.
@kennyyap9745
@kennyyap9745 Ай бұрын
​@@milaong9618.... ANOTHER ANNOYING TROUBLE MAKERS WARMONGERS 😡💢😡
@hchoe6823
@hchoe6823 Ай бұрын
Totally agree. Ms Yan is an academic and a scholar; she assumes the audience is already familiar with the background and issues under discussion. I don’t think it’s totally her fault. It’s actually up to the producers of this program to choose suitable guests since they know exactly who their audience is
@casablanca2778
@casablanca2778 Ай бұрын
The Philippines speaker has no knowledge at all. She only knows the disputed reef is near them and they won the ruling arbitration and have US backing. But she doesn't want to understand the history or colonial declaration
@sktan3743
@sktan3743 Ай бұрын
May be China should pay for advertisement space to publish the actual fact on the illegal Court hearing in main media in ASEAN eg. Singapore/Malaysia/indonesia and in London/ New York. Or publish a special report for world wide circulation.
@lindagonzalez5513
@lindagonzalez5513 Ай бұрын
Excellent idea ! China needs to get the truth out even if they have to pay to do so!
@unknown550c
@unknown550c Ай бұрын
I agree. Let this earn the scrutiny and discord from the rest of the world. Perfect!
@lylac_
@lylac_ Ай бұрын
Except that the fact is nine dash line is nonsense and china cant accept the truth
@ben-wq8xi
@ben-wq8xi Ай бұрын
@@sktan3743 even if your media broadcast what your carefully selected narrative to be shown on the outside world it will be rebuke immediately coz almost all free country of the world knows already your greediness!
@ramongabutina8015
@ramongabutina8015 Ай бұрын
This discussion is trying to disregard the worldwide-observed UNCLOS to which China signed as a signatory to abide by it, before the lately unilateral grab of South China Sea...Clever to have a Chinese Filipina in the panel; she's hardly known in the Phils.
@unknown550c
@unknown550c Ай бұрын
That Filipina should be invited in local Filipino think tanks so she could be refuted. Is she really a Filipino?
@ben-wq8xi
@ben-wq8xi Ай бұрын
@@unknown550c she a bot!
@fzmoifzmoi2575
@fzmoifzmoi2575 Ай бұрын
@@ramongabutina8015 lol Inform yourself on UNCLOS before making ignorant comments. You're creating a stereotype of Filipino people that isn't so enriching. In other words, you're making Filipino people look dumb and ignorant! smh
@MarkValenzuela-tq6ju
@MarkValenzuela-tq6ju Ай бұрын
RUSSIA RESPECTFUL AND FOLLOW INTERNATIONAL LAW, ONLY CHINA DEFY IT. I HOPE CHINA WILL SOON WAKE UP SOMEDAY AND HAVE THE GRATITUDE TO RESPECT EEZ OF EACH COUNTRY IN SOUTH EAST ASIA.❤❤❤
@unknown550c
@unknown550c Ай бұрын
Russia may not be aware that China will also retake Vladivostok someday and annex it as Chinese territory. Friends today, enemies tomorrow.
@Lost_Johnny
@Lost_Johnny Ай бұрын
What a silly comment. Rightly or wrongly, Putin is wanted by the ICJ.
@qfiver1547
@qfiver1547 Ай бұрын
UNCLOS doesn't have anything to do with sovereignty claims which the dispute is all about in the SCS. In this case, the land feature (reef) may be within PH's EEZ, but more importantly China has the sovereignty of reef.
@TheMrpOgs
@TheMrpOgs Ай бұрын
According to china? What about according to PH?
@qfiver1547
@qfiver1547 Ай бұрын
@@TheMrpOgs According to the post WW2 world order as stipulated by the two declarations in Cairo (1943) and Potsdam (1945).
@unknown550c
@unknown550c Ай бұрын
This program should have invited former Asso. Justice Antonio Carpio as Philippine representative. He is way more credible than the one cast on the show. I bet he can lambast all false Chinese claims made here.
@TheMrpOgs
@TheMrpOgs Ай бұрын
@@qfiver1547 who the hell told you that china will get south china sea as a whole sovereignty after ww2? More deliberate lies. Is this what you learned from sun tzu?
@qfiver1547
@qfiver1547 Ай бұрын
@@TheMrpOgs You need to learn history from the proper source.
@jhayceaparayno1404
@jhayceaparayno1404 Ай бұрын
People seem to forget that before the UNCLOS Arbitral Tribunal tackled the complaint of the Philippines regarding the WPS/SCS there was a prior ruling where the arbitral tribunal had jurisdiction over the complaint of the Philippines. What the commentator was saying was that the Philippines play with words in order for Hague to accept the complaint was an utter lie and no one would believe this, Do you think the Hague judges were a bunch of idiots who would be coerced with just a simple play of words? and to add, Malindog - Uy is a know traitor in the Philippines
@edwinpena6120
@edwinpena6120 Ай бұрын
Historically, if China has evidence of its claim, WHY you didn't go to International Tribunal and prove what you claim is LEGAL... so that China will not look like fabricate your own law in the.eyes of international community.
@jimmylim8369
@jimmylim8369 Ай бұрын
Professor Ana Uy of the Philippines is very well informed and very bright. She knows the history well.
@vamoua4036
@vamoua4036 Ай бұрын
The problem is hardly anyone has the audacity to challenge the Western way of forcing their way and ideal upon anyone. Right or wrong they're always on the offence to their last blood and breath.
@florantedaguio9545
@florantedaguio9545 Ай бұрын
These chinese girl yanyan i will ask you where is your rule of law this is really shows how you Chinese dont respect and International rule of law
@amaknusa9212
@amaknusa9212 Ай бұрын
Back to school for you jerk!
@glenfiddich6800
@glenfiddich6800 Ай бұрын
Ms. Yenyen - Director of the research center of ocean law and policy at national institute for South China sea. For your info, China denied it twice for having soverienty of the entire south china sea during spanish era and world war 2 specifically indicating that China only owned until hainan island. ASEAN countries did not recognized China's 9 dash line after world war 2 in 1945. China began to have interest in south china sea which they changed their map in 1946 and announced their 9 dashline in 1947. That is why UNCLOS has been created since 1960 and adopted in 1982 to governs the exclusive economic zone (EEZ) and provide dispute resolution to the rights and responsibilities within that zone, excluding territorial soverienty which is 12nm from a country baseline. China rejected the arbitrary ruling of UNCLOS and still want to assert the 9 dashline map which they keep on changing and now called 11 dashline map.
@utubehja
@utubehja Ай бұрын
"international" = "Western" and "Western = international". China should change this.
@edmundlao3660
@edmundlao3660 Ай бұрын
if china changes it , the world will be in disorder...
@warrenjones5077
@warrenjones5077 Ай бұрын
No all good it’s what the Chinese want they are the only country surrounding the South China Sea. International = Chinese bully 👍
@ColoniaMurder20
@ColoniaMurder20 Ай бұрын
just wondering who give authority to englishman named all oceans in this planet? there was no such thing as South China Sea in 500+ years old maps. most names Islands in Southeast Asia region was named after Austronesian languages no chinese words... even Paracel Island under China today was named as "Pulo" in Austronesian meaning "Pulo" term is "Islands, Isolated place"... population of Austronesian people today = Filipinos, Indonesian, Malaysian, native people in Taiwan, Southern Vietnamese, Cambodian, Southern Thai and entire Pacific Region people.
@alice.wonder
@alice.wonder Ай бұрын
China knew from the beginning that they would not win the tribunal case. because they know that they will not win the evidence or papers presented by the Philippines that they will not win the case in the international court. so they don't want to accept it.... It's not about Western rule, but china should follow international law......
@unknown550c
@unknown550c Ай бұрын
I think that South China Sea should be renamed, South East Asian Sea, because China mistakenly takes it literally as theirs while other countries don't when seas are named after them.
@OliverRodriguez-n3c
@OliverRodriguez-n3c Ай бұрын
Do you know how far west Philippine sea from China? Do you know how many nautical miles the exclusive economic zone?
@qfiver1547
@qfiver1547 Ай бұрын
Check it out on a internationally accepted world map. Your so-called west Philippine sea does not exist. There is only a Philippines Sea. But it is on the EAST side of your country.
@jonathanbethune9075
@jonathanbethune9075 Ай бұрын
I stopped listening to Canadian politics a long time ago. I didn't really understand why but had a sense that I wasn't relevant in the process. I got dissilusioned sensing that my Prime Minister was acting in a manner that was suspect and not really aligning with my interests but those of allies . Then all the media narratives and the discovery of fake news kind of pulled me into my own world where I questioned the merits of our realities and came to understand the sociological differences in cultures. Why they lean toward socialism vs capitalism , enshrined in authoritarianism or democracy... Gets pretty interesting as you go deeper down the rabbit holes but bringing a long narrative to a close , it's the character , the sense of integrity that I'm looking for now. Are we still rational actors in the world or are we distorting reality by acting from self interest? The greater good. The new Mission Impossible movie coming out I think is going to be all about that :) Liked this program , spoke to me and reaffirmed my faith in the Chinese , Confusion perspective.
@VincentTansoon
@VincentTansoon Ай бұрын
I really appreciate this lady speaks with valuable information about Philippines should not let US used Philippines to create problems with China. I fully agree with her that Philippines should work together for common good for both countries win win situation.
@alice.wonder
@alice.wonder Ай бұрын
China knew from the beginning that they would not win the tribunal case. because they know that they will not win the evidence or papers presented by the Philippines that they will not win the case in the international court. so they don't want to accept it.... It's not about Western rule, but china should follow international law......
@lylac_
@lylac_ Ай бұрын
​​@@VincentTansoon where did you get that info? All i know that it is china who is creating trouble in the south china sea. pestering filo fisherman in common fishing ground. Philippines cant fight their bullies so they have no choice but to seek help from other countries for equality in power. We tried to negotiate to china many times in many year.its just China who act like a spoiled child thinking that anything that they want is theirs. Its not how the world works. Even former president of the Philippines is subservient to the china and you what we get? Nothing! They keep harassing Filipino fisherman,filipino researcher and Philippine coast guard
@jasonjabonet4099
@jasonjabonet4099 Ай бұрын
Who's the Filipina source person.. All she said is I think and I feel. Wasted source didn't even have a technical or legal opinion 😂😂
@unknown550c
@unknown550c Ай бұрын
I agree. Does her institution really exist? Or, it's just another fabrication that China made to cast a Filipino who will support what they want heard on the program?
@abdulaljecera8957
@abdulaljecera8957 Ай бұрын
A Chinese paid propagandist
@alvinedralin6807
@alvinedralin6807 Ай бұрын
Agree @@abdulaljecera8957
@armour670
@armour670 Ай бұрын
She is prof .Ana Malindog UY. A mouthpiece of china.. when she always talk china is right.. china is not occupy our territory . A half chinese fipina race
@litovaldez3205
@litovaldez3205 Ай бұрын
you should have invited justice carpio, hes more knowlegiable than the one speaking for phils.
@januariosolis7309
@januariosolis7309 Ай бұрын
We are not born yesterday. Let us face the truth, the truth will let us free!!!!!!
@DiskartengMama
@DiskartengMama Ай бұрын
THEY FOUND A FILIPINA PUPPET FOR RENT
@perseperse6849
@perseperse6849 Ай бұрын
Funny how she's an "Uy" too lol. Chinese wanna be 😭😭 i hope they'll just claim her then. We don't want a trash like that.
@mrmateph729
@mrmateph729 Ай бұрын
She knows what she's talking about. How about you? I know where your knowledge about it, fm mufika and its media....right? Whatever murika says is the holy truth... Correct??? Why don't you invite yourself and join the panel discussion? Give what knowledge you have.
@RonnelCarmona
@RonnelCarmona Ай бұрын
It's simple knowledge, international Law V's Domestic Law If we can have Philippines domestic law still WPS is part of our own territory It's about your interest because you found more beneficial in those waters
@akiddies3911
@akiddies3911 Ай бұрын
No wps in global map only south china sea
@ekujohnson1362
@ekujohnson1362 Ай бұрын
The Court is the western world kangaroo court: The western world is afraid of china development!
@MarkValenzuela-tq6ju
@MarkValenzuela-tq6ju Ай бұрын
CHINA HAS WAY TO LISTEN SMALL COUNTRIES LIKE PHILIPPINES WHEN IT COMES TO NEGOTIATION VERBALLY. CHINA'S BEHAVIOR OR ATTITUDE CAN ONLY BE DETER BY INTERNATIONAL LAW OR BY BIGGER MILITARY POWER. REAL TALK
@unknown550c
@unknown550c Ай бұрын
International courts are perfect venues for equalizing nations instead of might is right principle as what China does.
@nicojohncervano7690
@nicojohncervano7690 Ай бұрын
What international law? Cite your jurisprudence. It's easy for people to throw around the words "International Law" without knowing what they're really talking about. The PH hired an arbitration panel, it's not a court.
@timmackee3912
@timmackee3912 28 күн бұрын
By the tacit approval of many nations. Peoples of the world voted by coming into the USA, even illegally. Has anybody known of people entering China illegally? Maybe, on their way to the USA. Anyone who does not believe in what I say, stay where you are.
@rmmixentertainments9566
@rmmixentertainments9566 Ай бұрын
China must respect Intl. law of the Sea or Unclos, tribunal decision is final and all China must respect it. Otherwise, be shamed and be on the spot light in the eyes of Intl. community as the defiant of peace & stability in Asia. Just Go out of 🇵🇭 EEZ & soveriegn territory.
@akiddies3911
@akiddies3911 Ай бұрын
China following international law only west and Philippines don't follow that why they invaded the reef on south china sea
@Lost_Johnny
@Lost_Johnny Ай бұрын
The Philippines is shamed as being a weak US vasal state.
@PhiloSurfer
@PhiloSurfer Ай бұрын
Who is the biggest rogue state in the world? Which regime is not a signatory to the Rome Statue? Which regime threatened to sanction the ICC despite not signing the Rome Statue? Which regime is using UNCLOS to claim freedom of navigation despite not ratifying UNCLOS? Which regime shredded the multi-lateral JCPOA on Iran? Which regime walked away from the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty? Which regime walked away from the WHO (and then walked back)? Which regime did not sign up for the Kyoto Protocol and the Paris Agreement? Which regime has the most cases with the WTO, and when found guilty decided to hobble the WTO by blocking the appointment of judges to the WTO's Appellate Body? Which regime passed the "Invasion of The Hague" Act so that it can invade The Netherlands should the ICC decide to prosecute its politicians and soldiers for war crimes? The list goes on..... Which is why this regime and its chihuahua vassals are always shouting "rules-based order". This is just the regime's way of not conforming to international laws as embodied in the UN Charter and other multi-lateral institutions as it is the biggest breaker of international laws. Instead the rules base order allows it to cook up some rules (which has never been published) and order the rest of the world to obey. If this regime breaks its own rules, it just ignore the rules and move on.
@qfiver1547
@qfiver1547 Ай бұрын
Anyone well educated in world history should know that immediately after WW2, with the help of the US, China has recovered all the land features (islands, atolls, submerged reefs etc) from Japan in accordance the two declarations in Cairo (1943) and Potsdam (1945). Since then China has troops stationed on two of the largest islands. Unfortunately, the smaller island was stolen by the Philippines during a tropical monsoon.
@rainieresguerra6519
@rainieresguerra6519 Ай бұрын
Cite to us which part of the Potsdam and Cairo Declarations say that the Spratleys and the Paracel Islands were recognized as part of China's territory and was handed to China. There were nothing of that sort contained in both declarations.
@qfiver1547
@qfiver1547 Ай бұрын
@@rainieresguerra6519 Do your own research. I am not responsible for your ignorance.
@rainieresguerra6519
@rainieresguerra6519 Ай бұрын
@@qfiver1547 As I said, both the Potsdam and the Cairo Declarations didn't say anything about the Spratleys and the Paracels being given to China. Stop lying.
@qfiver1547
@qfiver1547 Ай бұрын
@@rainieresguerra6519 Being rude does not excuse your ignorance. Let me educate you a bit by quoting from US Ambassador Chas W. Freeman's remarks at a Seminar of the Watson Institute for International Studies. "In 1945, in accordance with the Cairo and Potsdam Declarations and with American help, the armed forces of the Republic of China government at Nanjing accepted the surrender of the Japanese garrisons in Taiwan, including the Paracel and Spratly Islands. Nanjing then declared both archipelagoes to be part of Guangdong Province. In 1946 it established garrisons on both Woody (now Yongxing / 永兴) Island in the Paracels and Taiping Island in the Spratlys. "
@rainieresguerra6519
@rainieresguerra6519 Ай бұрын
@@qfiver1547 That is his own interpretation of the Cairo and Potsdam Declarations which is being challenged by many and not recognized even by a single country. Lots of Presidents and PM Ministers of countries are saying that China's 9 Dash Line is a lie. You should listen to them instead of listening to a mere Ambassador.
@nevermindgaming7184
@nevermindgaming7184 Ай бұрын
9 imaginary dash lie😂😂😂
@bernardoesguerra9985
@bernardoesguerra9985 23 күн бұрын
China Please follow International Law... Free Tibet, Free Taiwan, Respect Vietnam sea Boundary, Respect Indias boundary, Respect West Phil Sea.
@kuhaniresti
@kuhaniresti Ай бұрын
China does recognise laws outside and inside its borders. She uses force and quantity to relay the message.
@Punkhazard1292
@Punkhazard1292 27 күн бұрын
You keep saying that the ruling of arbitration in 2016 has no legality because of the absence of the other side. Ok let's forget about the 2016 arbitration for example. Let's focus on this year 2024, the Philippines has kept challenging China to engage in a legal debate in the UN court, but China is still reluctant to accept and dare the challenge. Why is it though?
@herryso6238
@herryso6238 Ай бұрын
To be honest, there was no Pino when Ming dynasty was mightily rules the SCS. So what bases pino claims any island in the SCS.
@glennbolotaolo124
@glennbolotaolo124 Ай бұрын
Treaty of Washington and the Velarde Murillo old Philippine map dated 17th century
@edwardare5823
@edwardare5823 Ай бұрын
@@herryso6238 only because the americans whisper in the Filos ear.
@herryso6238
@herryso6238 Ай бұрын
@@glennbolotaolo124 Washington???? Are we talking about territories controlled by past colonial governments?? In that case the whole pino should be under China then. But the way, i look at the map, it was created by Spanish.
@edwardare5823
@edwardare5823 Ай бұрын
@@glennbolotaolo124 Before Spain, America, Japan, America then the Philippines, there was the Chinese.
@youwant3271
@youwant3271 Ай бұрын
San pala ang pinoy?..? 😅
@BestFitSquareChannel
@BestFitSquareChannel Ай бұрын
Thank you. 🌞
@edzdeguzman612
@edzdeguzman612 Ай бұрын
Don' t be greedy, just follow the law Unclos.. Just think that a thousand miles from you china is not yours... Its only 200 miles from Philippines...
@eutiquianovillarin1366
@eutiquianovillarin1366 Ай бұрын
EXACTLY ......... WEESTEERN INTERNATIONAL RULE ..........
@peaceleader7315
@peaceleader7315 Ай бұрын
International rules based order for thee and not for me..😂.
@kennyyap9745
@kennyyap9745 Ай бұрын
​@@peaceleader7315... WESTERN DOUBLE STANDARD....
@peaceleader7315
@peaceleader7315 Ай бұрын
@kennyyap9745 dream with me... when definition of landownership is no more.. Definition of national sovereignty jurisdiction and patriotism flags.
@alice.wonder
@alice.wonder Ай бұрын
China knew from the beginning that they would not win the tribunal case. because they know that they will not win the evidence or papers presented by the Philippines that they will not win the case in the tribunal. so they don't want to accept it.... its not about western rule but china should follow international law......
@alice.wonder
@alice.wonder Ай бұрын
China knew from the beginning that they would not win the tribunal case. because they know that they will not win the evidence or papers presented by the Philippines that they will not win the case in the tribunal. so they don't want to accept it.... its not about western rule but china should follow international law......
@ahjotland6721
@ahjotland6721 Ай бұрын
Too many jargons spoken freely in this episode that a simple dispute of sovereignty was basically lost. 😮😢😊
@timawa22
@timawa22 Ай бұрын
Sige bolahin nyo mga Sarili nyo😅
@pepito7995
@pepito7995 Ай бұрын
yong pinay dito sa dialogue parang nakatira sa China😂
@timawa22
@timawa22 Ай бұрын
@@pepito7995 she's a puppet of china, madami Yan Sila sa SMNI
@doraymunpho6680
@doraymunpho6680 Ай бұрын
BAYAD po yan ng china sila ni Sass Rogando Sassot at prof.banlaui,​@@pepito7995
@kaagapay_nyo
@kaagapay_nyo Ай бұрын
Unclos rulling is legally binding, China is the king of pirates and a squatter in Philippine waters.
@jademoon1530
@jademoon1530 Ай бұрын
It wasn't an UNCLOS ruling and the court was illegal!!! Face it. Face the reality. Face the true facts!
@Wumao_Buster
@Wumao_Buster Ай бұрын
China is a signatory of UNCLOS 😂😂😂
@qfiver1547
@qfiver1547 Ай бұрын
UNCLOS doesn't have anything to do with sovereignty claims which the dispute is all about in the SCS. In this case, the land feature (reef) may be within PH's EEZ, but more importantly China has the sovereignty of reef.
@Wumao_Buster
@Wumao_Buster Ай бұрын
@@qfiver1547 Present that to International Court 🤣🤣🤣
@alice.wonder
@alice.wonder Ай бұрын
China knew from the beginning that they would not win the tribunal case. because they know that they will not win the evidence or papers presented by the Philippines that they will not win the case in the tribunal. so they don't want to accept it.... its not about western rule but china should follow international law......
@alfonsolopez9941
@alfonsolopez9941 Ай бұрын
Kasapi sila uncloss nga lang sobrang gahaman nila.ayan Panay baha sa kanila
@TheMrpOgs
@TheMrpOgs Ай бұрын
Thats why china did not attend the arbitration in 2016. I hope china will join for another arbitration PH will file. May who wins will have the contested waters
@contraMundum07
@contraMundum07 Ай бұрын
Your resource persons are BIAS!
@PardonMyPiano-ic7pv
@PardonMyPiano-ic7pv Ай бұрын
Thank you.
@1900November
@1900November Ай бұрын
Speaking of Treaties as a source of International Law, i suggest you should read the 1900 Treaty of Washington . China should respect that.
@hernanibiag5272
@hernanibiag5272 Ай бұрын
Is the 10,000 dash line of China a rule of law or just pure imagination?
@dadee787
@dadee787 Ай бұрын
What entity has the authority over it? A country acting like God?
@lincolneserio7620
@lincolneserio7620 Ай бұрын
how about the mongolian empire???
@oningsingson5672
@oningsingson5672 Ай бұрын
China has no sovereign right in the west Philippine sea, period.
@user-op8cv8em5g
@user-op8cv8em5g 29 күн бұрын
Respect international law and respestive nation.
@BonT777
@BonT777 Ай бұрын
Might is Right
@skwayrie
@skwayrie Ай бұрын
International Law is not in your vocabulary. Greed is your vocabulary. 👌
@qfiver1547
@qfiver1547 Ай бұрын
Name a country that is impeding the Implement of the South China Sea Code of Conduct.
@qfiver1547
@qfiver1547 Ай бұрын
PH, but why?
@JacintaPalerm
@JacintaPalerm Ай бұрын
Not very good explanation
@mackelchannel3577
@mackelchannel3577 29 күн бұрын
soon china claim moon and sun are belong to china lol🤣😂😂
@NEBURZEPOLCHANNEL1430
@NEBURZEPOLCHANNEL1430 Ай бұрын
I think we need somebody from the Philippines it seems that nobody represent from the PH.
@FernandoDeguzman-fe5un
@FernandoDeguzman-fe5un Ай бұрын
Not worthy to this discussion Must follow the arbitral ruling
@Lost_Johnny
@Lost_Johnny Ай бұрын
Right. There has been no ruling.
@michaeltse321
@michaeltse321 Ай бұрын
Basic interrnational law says arbetration without all parties is illegal
@user-cq8le6jz6g
@user-cq8le6jz6g Ай бұрын
Who first!? UNCLOS = 1982 China 9 dash line(ILOGICAL) = 2012 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@HappyModelShip-zt1xe
@HappyModelShip-zt1xe Ай бұрын
What do you want Chinese law?😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@alfred-vz8ti
@alfred-vz8ti Ай бұрын
law does not rule, people rule. at best, we agree on behavior when both parties see advantage in accepting rules. usa is accustomed to doing as it pleases, from history of relative strength. teaching it restraint will be difficult, perhaps impossible.
@u2ber888
@u2ber888 Ай бұрын
Int'l Rule of law means do what's told not do what I do.
@iwashere9670
@iwashere9670 27 күн бұрын
International law.
@perseperse6849
@perseperse6849 Ай бұрын
It's so pathetic to see how these bunch of people that are degree holders came here just to chant "China is not a bully but rather a victim". For a 28 minute discussion you did a good job yapping and avoiding China's wrongdoings such as of that harassment to the filipino soldiers. And Ms. Uy, you talked about how ASEAN are silent? are you being for real?? The narcissism of China is so huge that it gaslight itself as if they don't have major influence and threat to neighboring countries. I pity Chinese people for having to listen to news that are blindsided.
@tribonggala
@tribonggala Ай бұрын
Just leave Philippine EEZ, stop making excuses
@jxy7096
@jxy7096 Ай бұрын
you all are embarrassing
@darwinmora6725
@darwinmora6725 Ай бұрын
That's why we have UN International Law of the sea, a country follow, and recognize the rulling of the united nations Law of the sea is good example to others county, Ignoring the rulling is bad example to other, because it may copy by other countries,it okay to violate the international Law, because China did
@gily6107
@gily6107 Ай бұрын
Is the 9 dash line International law or Communist Chinese imagination ?
@pinoyeu9343
@pinoyeu9343 Ай бұрын
Echo chambered chinese state owned media😂
@user-gl3eq7nk5l
@user-gl3eq7nk5l Ай бұрын
YANYAN LIE ALWAYS.
@pinoyyoutubekomiks7813
@pinoyyoutubekomiks7813 Ай бұрын
You Chinese where is your eez.
@qfiver1547
@qfiver1547 Ай бұрын
Shame on KZfaq. I cannot post comments that has the phrase "SCS Code of Conduct".
@romulocarlos742
@romulocarlos742 Ай бұрын
KAYA KAYO NANGHAHARAS KASI HINDI NYO NAIPANALO YUN KASO GANUN LANG YUN.
@allanbaldoque2578
@allanbaldoque2578 28 күн бұрын
You chiness must respect internation law,dont ignore it for your selfish benifits againts little country, your dream is over and remain dream history
@RadamesAida2Operalovers
@RadamesAida2Operalovers Ай бұрын
Refreshing debate.
@robinsondayag4656
@robinsondayag4656 Ай бұрын
Doesn't china sign unclos isn't that an international law?
@qfiver1547
@qfiver1547 Ай бұрын
UNCLOS doesn't have anything to do with sovereignty which the dispute is all about. In this case, the land feature (reef) may be within PH's EEZ, but more importantly China has the sovereignty of reef.
@robinsondayag4656
@robinsondayag4656 Ай бұрын
@@qfiver1547 how does china have a sovereignty on that picture of that sae when there is no island there?
@laurenceroberttampushalpin183
@laurenceroberttampushalpin183 Ай бұрын
​@@robinsondayag4656Since kopong kopong p sa kanila Yan. Kinuha Ng Japan Yan 19th century p at binalik Ng Japan after WW2. Isa s pinas sa signatories Ng treaty n Yan. Now Tayo Ng ka claim sa disputed during the time of Pfem. Sa pamamagitan Ng UN resolution. So the best way to clear all of this is to have a joint exploration. Ng kumita Tau. Mahirap pag usapan Ang jurisdiction. Na ngyari n s time ni pduts. Pede din coc.
@alice.wonder
@alice.wonder Ай бұрын
China knew from the beginning that they would not win the tribunal case. because they know that they will not win the evidence or papers presented by the Philippines that they will not win the case in the tribunal. so they don't want to accept it.... its not about western rule but china should follow international law......
@qfiver1547
@qfiver1547 Ай бұрын
@@robinsondayag4656 Land feature includes islands, reefs, etc.
@MarkValenzuela-tq6ju
@MarkValenzuela-tq6ju Ай бұрын
ON THE LAST PART, MEDIA SHOULD REPORT RESPONSIVELY IN ANY ISSUES IN WEST PHILIPPINES SEA, THATS NOT GONNA HAPPENED IN CHINAS SIDE. NEWS MEDIA IN CHINA IS CONTROLLED BY THEIR GOVERNMENT 😅😅😅
@akiddies3911
@akiddies3911 Ай бұрын
New media in Philippines and USA are controlled by government
@princearve
@princearve Ай бұрын
Are you blind..take a look to the map...miles and miles away from china..and near to Palawan and Luzon..look to you line it touches Philippine
@jxy7096
@jxy7096 Ай бұрын
aww cry
@donmariano7510
@donmariano7510 Ай бұрын
If China stop this Greedy and Bullying attitude no conflict at all
@JamesonMagbiro
@JamesonMagbiro Ай бұрын
South china sea is only a name of the sea and both country there have their exclusive economic zone equaly
@GaryGraham-sx4pm
@GaryGraham-sx4pm Ай бұрын
East Vietnam Sea, West Philippine Sea, South China Sea ..
@TheMrpOgs
@TheMrpOgs Ай бұрын
China thinks he a boss and want the most sea which is delusional at this point.
@princearve
@princearve Ай бұрын
Smallest country that why you bully
@TaleReaper
@TaleReaper Ай бұрын
Mainland china belongs to MONGGOLIA if we speaking in history
@jamesvillacorta1713
@jamesvillacorta1713 Ай бұрын
there is no short story about this who dó have sovereignty over disputed humungous body of salty water with all of its resources availablé for humanities of different beliefs,
@gregwang8628
@gregwang8628 Ай бұрын
It’s all crap 😂
@itsmeali5360
@itsmeali5360 Ай бұрын
that prof.anna so called is the modern chismosa. puro I think and feel. kakahiya ka ma'am
@chessxking4623
@chessxking4623 Ай бұрын
Y china, signed in unclos,ok of 200nutical zone,is xclosive ecomic zone
@kuyajonel3568
@kuyajonel3568 Ай бұрын
9 dash line very funny😅
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