I can't be the only one thinking Jay is really underrated even at 91K subs? His general presentation style and command of language is so refreshing as compared to the obnoxious shouting and clickbait from so many other automotive channels - who seem to be tailored to a really childish audience

Buy a car because you want the car, if you profit when you sell it then BONUS! If not, that's not why you bought the car.

I can't tell you how hard I laughed when Porsche announced the 991.2 GT3 manual. You could almost hear the simultaneous worldwide scream of 911R speculators.

As someone with a 20 year old Honda Civic, this video is very relatable

Great video! I'm actually pleased to see the arse drop out of the P car market. Investor speculators with no appreciation of the actual value of a GT3 (that being an incredible unfiltered driving experience) just about ruined the market for a period of time. Cars, especially GT cars, are there to be driven and enjoyed, not sat in a garage in some speculative "asset" collection. I achieved a life long dream last year and bought a 991 GT3. It gets tracked and thrashed on B roads regularly. The fact I'll lose money never enters my mind. Porsches should be driven like they were stolen. To hell with cars being treated as non depreciating assets!!!

Your subs have really jumped during the coronavirus, congrats! I'm from the States, your perspective on car topics and your style are a nice change of pace.

If you want any sports car, I’d suggest you wait until end of the summer: 1. The fallout of Covid will be truly known by then. Lots of people will sell their toys; they aren’t essential 2. People buy cars, especially sports cars for the summer and sell before winter kicks in. Great time to buy if you can lose a summer of driving 3. It gives you time to be patient and think things through. If it still makes sense and you still want it then go for it. Impulsive purchases are rarely good

I've got enough money in the bank for a second hand Vauxhall Vectra, but still found this interesting.

Bought a used 991.2 GT3 for list. Drove it 20 000 km on track over 1,5 years and lost £12 000. Best money ever spent!

Always love your videos Jay - always interesting and grounded. Thank you thank you for posting.

I know a guy here in Atlanta, GA that bought a 911R for $800K on the pre-owned market when they were at massive hype.

If anyone offers to sell you a McLaren F1, or a Porsche 959, or a Ferrari F40 and you have the means to pay for it you should buy it.

We are two years on from this video and you were absolutely correct about getting into a GT3. Great stuff!

As always, great video and thanks for keeping us updated on all things Porsh-ah! ;) Cheers from across the pond!

Great news for me, maybe in a few years I can get one. Also you’re on point with the Porsche fans and option obsession, it’s my biggest gripe with the Porsche community.

Nice overview overall of what’s been happening to the GT, cars. I enjoyed the advice and video.

You know what it’s funny and actually as I type this you said “more people should have bought the turbo” and I was having a similar thought, even long term prospectors are kind of screwed as the turbo continues to become the standard bearer and people adapt and think anything lacking boost is “slow down low”

Always good to see new contributors, big up to Florance (hope that's the correct spelling). Another good vid thank you.

Loving the way your channel is growing ⭐️👍😎

I'm happy with my 991.2 Carrera. Like the analog dash and classic features better than the newer car. 370 hp plenty fast for every day driving.

Nothing wrong with revisiting older content, as the market is a fickle mistress indeed 👍😎

This is (another) very interesting video from you; well played. This might be very bad KZfaq etiquette but for those who haven’t seen it - and I won’t post the direct link out of courtesy to JayEmm - but AutoTopNL’s in-car drive of the last gen GT3 is truly astounding from an oh-my-god-it’s-bloody-quick-and-sounds-fucking-mental point of view.

Another great, honest video on a car which is purely designed for track and “everyday” use ability. Investing in a car of this nature means your taking the privileges away from the fun and the design aspect, creating higher forecourt prices, the purest is not being able to warrant using the GT cars as Porsche intended. My wife and I have plans to buy one of these cars, bucket list, to enjoy the rest of our lives touring the British isles, sounds more fun than investing doesn’t it? Investors buy houses, it’s a no brainer, GT cars are for the purest not investors🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🥂

Much Thanks for Sharing Your Insights. I think prices will drop a bit more as this lock down goes on. Cash will always be king and finance companies may have a difficult time. I suggest dont rush into anything. Watch what is happening in the market. I think it will get worse. My thoughts. Wishing You and All At Home..Health and Happiness. Stay Safe. Greetings from The Caribbean

Must be serious times...JayEmm is wearing a normal shirt!!!

Half the price, same thrills, a cayman gt4 would do me!👌🏻

Fantastic video, and I really do concur with the advice to buy a higher mileage example. I applied the same logic to buying my own 2010 GT3 RS back in 2013 and added a 2008 GT2 last year, both being high mileage cars. I'm so pleased with both, and my total price paid for both cars is roughly equivalent to the price of a single 'cream puff' example of each. I'd rather have both every single time, and I'm not paralyzed with fear to go drive them in the real world. Thanks @JayEmm!

Thanks. Was specifically timely and helpful. Be well.

Great video. Wondering what you think of the 991.2 GT3

Don’t understand how you are only on 91k subscribers- the amount of research you put into your videos is very impressive- keep them coming mate

Once again, great video Jay. thanks. Now.. a question.. will the Gov't lift VAT on new cars after the lockdown to get the dealers selling again?

Love the Porsche content! Please keep it up!

Thank you for this video! I have always wanted a turbo or a GT Porsche but I had no idea about those price issues, I was barely aware because I saw used ones in the dealership with insane prices. I've had a Porsche as my daily driver for 3 years. I live in Canada so my prices are in local currency. I see a 2019 gt2 rs for 469900$ right now for sale. It's not cheap lol, even with only 105km... I want it so bad though! One day perhaps....

You're absolutely bang on this theory!! Can't wait to see the prices plummet even further in the next couple of months!!

Watching and buying my own sports car in January sadly not a Porsche GT3 but a GT86 but may lose less money than the GT3 judging by information in this video. Loved Florence the cat trying to be fa it’s see the tail swishing around in the background made me laugh.

Cool video, much appreciated 👍

Am I the only one who prefers the styling of the 991.2 over the 992?

Could you do a favourite cars of the channel style video? Would be great as you’re in a unique position as a reviewer. Good vid btw.

Hi James, I was the second owner. You may be interested to know I paid 132k from an independent specialist dealer. Didn’t do very many miles in it and traded for 120k 18 months later. Thanks for the informative show.

I have zero chance of buying any Porsche let alone a GT3, yet here I am.

I'm not a Porsche fan by a long chalk, but there are models I'd rather have and a boggo Carrera and keep the change! Florence looks lovely by the way!

car's are not investments. Period.

Thinking of a 991GT3 to actually drive, this has been very helpful. In the next 6 months do you think there is more value in the gen 1 or gen 2? Prices are around 20% lower for gen 1and I wonder if, as a quick but by no means race driver, I would really notice the difference. A Porsche experience instructor I was with last week reckoned the gen 2 was the best car Porsche have made, preferred it to the 992 GT3. I’m not buying for investment and will be buying outright but wouldn’t want to loose more than 20% over a couple of years.

Hey jay, do you think the 992.1 gt3 will be the last NA gt3 with a manual transmission?

It's uncanny how similar our logic is when it comes to buying cars. I will always give preference to a car that has actually been driven rather than stored away under the cover for the very reasons you mentioned. And I have a rule that I adhere rigorously: Only buy that car if you are going to put at least 1500 miles a year on the clock! That rule has cost me an awful lot of money over the years.

Stay well clear! All performance cars are in for a big adjustment. Unless you can get huge discount, I simply wouldn’t touch anything. We are going into a long slowdown.

Nice episode, good advice.

Great vid Jay.How about Audi RS values vid?

I loved you in Shaun of the Dead!!

We have shifted a lot of GT3s in the last few weeks, some interesting points - delivering a 911 R tomorrow (driven) picking up lizard green 991.2 RS as a px. R sold for over 270k, we have just sold a gen 1 997 GT3 for 59k, a 997.2 GT3 for 89k,...both club sports. We sold a 600 miles GT4 for 64k, that flew out the door. We also sold a 996 GT3 rs with blue livery 3k miles at over 160k, we have also just sold a high miler 996 GT3 rs red livery for 89k. .....#ashgood.keep up the good work. See you soon..

Really interesting man... I agree!

very good video - love it

can you do a video on the 991.1/991.2 turbo s, thinking of getting that instead of gt3

Good morning excellent video

Great informative video as usual. Here’s an interesting reference data from Total911 magazine: 3000 991.1 GT3 vs 6000 991.1 GT3 RS worldwide. If you look at their 997 predecessors, their numbers are half and less. 991 is when Porsche opened the manufacturing Gates. Simply Porsche responding to demands?

Hi Jay, another very informative video, what's your opinion on the 991.1 gt3 engine issues? If you were to buy one would you make sure it was "G engine spec" or wouldn't you be worried due to the 10 year warranty?

Good vid James. It’s worth noting though the engine issues on the 991.1 gt3. I believe Porsche farmed out a 10 year warranty through RAC to cover any blown engines of which there were many but after 10 years, you’re on your own, which is in about 2-3 Yrs time. The better car is the .2

Hi Florence! 👋😃

Good analysis with lots of good points (including buyer type of GT3 vs Turbos). The ratio between 997 C2S and GT3 vs 991 CS and GT3 will have a growing impact: as you said the 991 GTs are not as rare. That’s because they finished the Stuttgart factory upgrade (where all 911s are made, including GTs) and we’re able to make a lot of the GTs. I have a 997.1 C2S a 997 gen 1 GT3 is £70k, which would mean that I’d have to trade up £50k-ish just for the Metzger... No thanks...

Hmm I think I'll have to drive one and see. I was more interested in the manual 911.2 but those are £125k+ which is too much for me. Being PDK, I'm not sure if it'd be a better buy than a 911.1 turbo or turbo S.

Interested to check out your opinion haha. I just sold my high mileage example of .1 GT3 last week for 93k

As I putt around town in my M2, I tip my hat to the Porsche guys. We all have fun cars and in my case, no fancy pants pretensions. I like be able to slide in and out of the scene without difficulty.

Love the new intro, less 80's more classy. I think when the 918 was new, anyone could go in to their Porsche dealer and buy it. That's the way it should be. Any 997/991 GT3 or Touring are my favourite, no RS for me, thank you.

As far as cars not being investments. Some cars are. I bought these cars used and sold each for more money. Porsche 993 Turbo (sold for double after 5 years) two first gen NSX, E46 M3, E90 M3, two Honda S2000’s, my BMW Z3M Coupe and my current 2005 NSX and BMW 1 Series M are both worth more than i paid for them.

What about ceramics or steels??

Really want to find some more info on the 991 3.8 vs 4.0 on the GT3

What I'm curious about is since they are testing the 992 GT3 right now, once the new GT3 is released what will happen to the 991.1 GT3 prices? How much did 997 GT3 prices dip when the 991.1 GT3 came out? We are at that point right now were I think they are still going to go down. Here in the US you can find 991.1 GT3s at around 100-110k. Is this going to be the price for those early GT3 cars moving forward or will they dip under 100k? I am thinking about pulling the trigger on a dot one going for 112k, but not sure if I should wait a little bit longer. Love the video FYI

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I do agree with most of Jay's points. I got into a high spec GT3 at the summer of 2018, the car was very boring and harsh to drive on the street, the turbo would have been a much better car. But the gt3 was brilliant when pushed above 70%, the problem is I dont track so I hardly ever get there. Driving the back roads pushing the car above 70% was nerve wrecking coz the limit was so high. I had it up for sale shortly but the 991.2 bubble as described by Jay just started. The market's flooded with gt3s (still is). It took me almost 8 months to finally trade it in for a scuderia, which i absolutely love. It's got presence and very exciting even on the street, and when pushed is a complete beast just like the gt3 was (even though not as refinely engineered). If I havent trade in the gt3, i would have lost another 20k today stuck in a car that's not right for me, so i am very glad i did that. The dealer who got my car ended up selling it at 5k below the trade value (they actually lost 10k with the conditioning they had to do). Looking at high mileage cars today for 90k, that's a steal with a warranty on the engine for another 3-4 years

Thanks , excellent video l have tried to order/ purchase a 992 wowzer unfortunately having only purchased two new porsches, doesn’t allow qualification to be allowed an order sadly.One day though.

This is great - would you do an update on todays market!??

I remember the early 90s when everyone was speculating on sports cars. Jaguar XJ220 needed a £50K deposit prior to production. Shortly afterwards the market collapsed and everyone was trying to get their deposit back. You then found out who the real enthusiasts were as they were still wanting to buy the car.

My budget is a far cry from a GT3 but at a significantly lower price point I’ve owned one of Jay’s other cars- a Honda S2000 for over a decade as my daily. I’ve put loads of (reliable) miles on it and could sell it today for more than I bought it for. There’s plenty on offer from many makes at all price points that might not necessarily make money but will preserve capital or mitigate a loss and that’s a good use of funds which can provide smiles too.

Great, pragmatic, summary Jay! As a 911 C2S owner who wanted a GT3 and was politely declined by dealer (🙄) I was, am, gutted. I’m not paying +50% for “an idea” tho - that idea being they’re an investment. My 911 is used as a daily, for European jaunts with the family and for Trackdays. I’ve put 33k miles on it in 3 years, and it’s amazing. Oh you’re so right about performance and noise too … I have the standard exhaust. On a 3.0l turbo gen 2. Sacrilege! Some would say. But no, when you put it in Sport mode it makes plenty of glorious noise, including the pops and bangs (why, why, are people so obsessed with them?) Anyway, great summary, really well presented. Got yourself a new sub 👍🏻

Wow. That new intro is hot AF.

Agreed. Matt Farah of the smoking tyre says that that GT engined 911 cars make up 40% sales of the 991 variant overall sales

“Chris Harris took a hit on his RS 4.0”?? There’s a video where Chris states that he bought a used 599 with the overs he made on that car!? Gen 2 RS’, especially the 4 litres were always very desirable from the outset...

Reckon these will go up in price in the next 12 months?

Great video, I doubt the turbo is as quick as a gt3 on track though. Yes it has more power but a lot more weight and a lot less down force. Also it’s underpinnings have not been fettled with like the Gt3 has. Just my opinion!

Agree with your way of reasoning

I think a lot of the 991.1 GT3 discounts are also due to the 3.8L engine warranty coming due (for those extended to 10 years/120,000 miles).

Love this show because of the reality of the flipping market. This all changes in GB when the C8 series comes ashore. It already has turned the American market upside down.

I hope 4.0 doesn't have engine issues as the 3.8 had

I think u just talked me into buying a 991 911 GT3 ...sorry it won't be a right hand drive one though ;-)

Well done 👍 awesome vlog only bettered by the 1st GT3 Its so nice when your putting every-car down thank you 🙏 👍👍👍

So true. Few cars are a sound investment. Most that are probably sit beyond the reach of 99.9% of us. Honestly, though, I think talking about many cars as an investment is something we just tell ourselves to justify the purchase, but in reality... we just want one 😉

Very nice video but I have some minor criticism: 1: Some graphics would've been useful to visualize the numbers. 2: I didn't really understand what you meant with the 991 GT3 not being rare. Did you mean not rare on the market? That is certainly true as one can see by the numbers you presented. But if you meant rare in terms of production numbers, that is not really the case. There aren't firm numbers on the 991 GT3 yet but first numbers suggest that there are at max twice as much 991 GT3 compared to the 997 GT3. Taking into account that there are many more 991 than 997, in general, we have to ask why are there so many more GT3 for sale? It has to do much more with fluctuation than sales numbers

Good video 👍👍

In Canada, for a 2016 to 2018 GT3, you are looking at a price between $180,000 to $200,000. Around £115,000 I think? That is a hell of a lot of money. I think I have seen one in my life. There are more and more exotics showing up here. Ferraris and even a McLaren, but very few GT3's.

please try and review the LEXUS SC430 :-) Is it as bad as topgear made it to sound?

Hi Jay. I enjoy watching your videos and I’m wanting to ask you a question. I’ve forever been a Porsche fan since I was a child but haven’t had the opportunity to own one. I was looking at purchasing a Cayman S (981). However after falling in love with the 981 GT4 I’m hoping to be in a position to purchase one within the next 12 months. I’m an average guy with a decent job but not wealthy. I’m wanting to know if now is a good time to purchase a 981 gt4. I’m wanting to own the car for extended period of time and it won’t be a garage ornament. But I want to buy at the right time so I don’t break my bank. They range from £61k - £80k. What’s your thoughts?

Good video.

I bought mine for £137500 at two years old with 1000 miles on the clock. I was the 4th owner. I put 22000 miles on it in two years and sold it for £105k loved every single thing about it. Next year I’ll buy a gen 2 manual

Great advice

Cough - My 996.1 GT3 Club Sport is for sale :-)

Thoughts about 991 gt3s going for 150k now?

Just find one with a engine changed at the end of last year or this year, as late engine iteration as possible plus 10 years warranty from the date of changing.

Jay, have you seen the inventory of unsold new McLarens at the dealerships? Take a look at those across the pond especially in the affluent areas. Your predication may be coming sooner than you think.

Cars are not investments....but cats may be. He showed up right on time there.

Transmission Whine is a great title for these diatribe (with the nicest possible connotation) monologue to camera pieces. There is a real issue with subprime car financing, used values are tanking and the GFV manufactures stated are way above actual prices. It’s a buyers market and will be for the foreseeable e.g. And I know this is about Porsche but a 2018 720s with £50k carbon extras, so £300k, sold on collecting cars for £125k. £175k depreciation in 24months. Terrifying...