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MCrider - Motorcycle Training

MCrider - Motorcycle Training

6 жыл бұрын

This week on MCrider we look at speeding, speed differential and how it affects your safety on the road.
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@supersafarisurfer4489
@supersafarisurfer4489 6 жыл бұрын
When I took my first MSF class, we actually had motor police help teach the class and they said the same thing about traveling “slightly” faster than the other vehicles around you. Statically, it’s been proven much safer for the motorcyclist. Great video Kevin.
@jaredgreen982
@jaredgreen982 6 жыл бұрын
I understand that being slightly ahead of traffic 'can' take you out of traffic but as we all know you're just going to approach more traffic just like if you're going slower you'll have traffic come up on you. No difference here. I also understand that if you constantly ride ahead of traffic you will have pockets of no cars around you but this is also the case with going a bit slower than traffic. Going faster than traffic now puts you at greater risk in every other way. Going faster gives you less response time, less time to observe, less time to brake and if you are hit (which happens to the best of us) you're getting hit at a lower speed thus less damage. Going slower than traffic gives you more response time, more time to brake, more time to observe and if you're hit it's not as damaging. There's definitely a line in the speed differential where going too slow can irritate drivers and cause them to be very irrational around you, however, I'd rather be just a bit slower than traffic (but not so slow you're making everyone angry) with all the benefits of going slower (more reaction time, more time to brake, more time to observe, less damage if hit.)
@Bosephjones
@Bosephjones 6 жыл бұрын
I live in Upstate SC, and drivers are terrible. I operate based on the assumption that everyone is trying to kill me. I use what I call a "dynamic speed observation" I'll go around the speed limit and see how the traffic flow is going. If I'm out by myself, away from a pack of cages, I'll usually go the speed limit or slightly above. However, If I've found myself in a pack of cages, I'll pick out that "problem child" There's always at least one in the pack that will do something stupid. once I've identified this individual, I'll speed up or slow down, to remove myself from that pack. If I'm catching up to a pack of cages, I'll note what they're doing as a whole; weaving in and out of lanes, no signals, tailgating, etc. Then pick out "that guy." Keep a close eye on that vehicle, and know where it is at all times. Once that person does something stupid, though, its a good bet that the other cagers are going to get angry with that action, and then start driving like jerks as well. These are just my experiences. YMMV :)
@kevinhamilton8932
@kevinhamilton8932 6 жыл бұрын
Well Said "dynamic speed observation" I drive the same way, good description.
@CaudilloSilovik
@CaudilloSilovik 6 жыл бұрын
A car.
@brianyoung4863
@brianyoung4863 6 жыл бұрын
I also live in upstateSC and drivers are indeed horrendous. No regard for anyone but themselves
@Bosephjones
@Bosephjones 6 жыл бұрын
Brian Young look me up, we'll go for a ride up 176 or to Caesars head sometime! Stay safe.
@marinablueGS
@marinablueGS 6 жыл бұрын
They are terrible ( I'm in Anderson), I watch everyone, whether in my truck or on my motorcycle. I try to avoid 4 lane highways, they seem to have the most careless drivers.
@joannehart9624
@joannehart9624 6 жыл бұрын
While I don't advocate speeding, speed differential is a killer. I especially like the point you made about when one lane is slow or stopped, the other lane becomes significantly more dangerous. Slowing down and moving to the left side of the lane can help but it is still a trap waiting to spring. A good escape strategy should be at the top of the rider's mind in that situation. Riding safe doesn't just happen. The rider has to make the right decisions.
@williambrown8683
@williambrown8683 6 жыл бұрын
kevin.....I have been a riding for over 50 years here in the Peoples Republic of California. I have always gone slightly faster than the flow of traffic....I have more control of what's going on in front of me than what's going on behind me. YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD! As far as I can remember, I have never got a speeding ticket on a motorcycle. I hope Texas passes a "lane sharing" bill. it was never illegal in California and I understand a bill was finally passed making lane splitting legal. Done correctly, lane splitting is much safer than trying to become the meat in a car sandwich. I still learn from your video's...Keep up the great work!
@robertbarber7343
@robertbarber7343 6 жыл бұрын
Looks like there is a lot more conservatives in Cali than the media would like us to know about.
@koehlerrk1
@koehlerrk1 6 жыл бұрын
Kevin, speed differential, you NAILED IT!!! On two-lane roads, ie, one lane each direction, I ride whatever speed the traffic is moving because it's safer to do it that way. On multi-lane roads, 2 or more lanes each direction, I ride 3-5 mph faster than the traffic's speed, again, because it's safer. It's safer for the reasons you listed, and it's just good sense when on a motorcycle to ride in a manner that makes your ride as safe as possible. That said, every cop I've spoke to about this tells me the same thing... that 3-5 mph over what the traffic is doing is the best speed for a bike. They know about the speed curve, and they don't want to come scrape any of us up off the side of the road because we were driving too fast, or too slow.
@Bass.Player
@Bass.Player 6 жыл бұрын
I like to go slightly faster than the flow of traffic because it puts me in control, I can pick my direction and I look for those gaps in between the large mass of cars and pace myself to stay in it, if possible. Now, being retired I can pick the times when I travel most of the time so I can avoid the rush. I live near Galveston and nearby Houston traffic is just like Dallas you either keep up or get run over and it's not the time to try to find an address. You better plot your destination before ever leaving the house. You have to be in survival mode to ride in Houston or Dallas. Being a licensed M/C rider for 52 years and having owned over 50 motorcycles I have only had one accident that involved another vehicle and it was another motorcycle!
@fes2515
@fes2515 6 жыл бұрын
i watch for opening doors of cars and slow down whenever i pass by parked cars. makes sense?
@Bass.Player
@Bass.Player 6 жыл бұрын
I never encounter those on the freeway...
@robbo4858
@robbo4858 6 жыл бұрын
Too bad there arent more stories like this Bass Player... Riding for 52 years and 1 accident to me sounds like a very safe rider with practiced riding skills. The old saying 'there are 2 types of riders, one who has never dropped a bike and one who will' to me is just plain B.S. I get so tired of hearing this one. In my opinion, careless, untrained people drop bikes. Im tired of reading stories about motorcyclists crashing and people dropping bikes...thanks for posting some positive riding news!
@Bass.Player
@Bass.Player 6 жыл бұрын
I used to race flat track back in the 60's and I have been down so many times I lost count but I have not been down in at least thirty years I bet? I have had over 15 broken (lost count) bones I don't want any more, of course I don't race any more or ride backwards sitting on the handle bars and other foolish stuff. I still have fun and those racing years gave the skills to survive. Do you ever watch those KZfaq videos about MC wrecks, you can see it coming long before it happens and it makes we wonder what were these guys thinking, they seem to just run into the car that pulled out in front of them instead of taking at least some sort of evasive action or slowing down when several cars are sitting at intersections waiting to pull out? Everyone should watch those videos and see what happens to inexperienced or poor skilled riders. Thanks
@robbo4858
@robbo4858 6 жыл бұрын
agree. And i suppose one can 'expect' to crash racing motox or flat track. I use the videos your referencing as a learning tool. I think a lot of people freeze/ target fixation. And quite a few that pass me on the interstate going well over 90 mph just have a deathwish. Im not experienced rider, but I could see where racing experience and time on the road would definatley help a rider.
@sociopathmercenary
@sociopathmercenary 6 жыл бұрын
I've always maintained that I'm most comfortable going about ten mph faster than traffic for the reasons you stated. Less worry about who is behind me... A head start accelerating out of trouble from distracted drivers changing lanes... And more concentration on what is ahead. I do admit that I love going fast too... While we're all being honest. LOL
@sociopathmercenary
@sociopathmercenary 6 жыл бұрын
I've ridden a bit in California and lane splitting is awesome. It reduces traffic congestion and the motorcyclists being rear ended.
@taiosho2054
@taiosho2054 5 жыл бұрын
Well said
@EXCALIBURUS187
@EXCALIBURUS187 6 жыл бұрын
Your absolutely right Dallas traffic is very bad all the time, , my brother lives in fortworth, when I ride to see him I would rather ride round Dallas,avoid it all. I’m older, I don’t ride fast, unless I need to, just me. I do avoid being in groups of trucks and cars, it just depends on the things going on around me while riding on what I need to do to stay safe, and not hurt others. Lane splitting is not good for me because I ride a Honda Goldwing it is very large, would be taking a lot mirrors off doing that. Geeeees I know I even sound old. But I’m still alive and riding. I hope to stay that way. Everyone is different, I do wish you and everyone enjoy the days ,years of riding on two or three wheels. Be safe my friend always. Thank you for the videos you put out. I am greatful.
@daves4yah
@daves4yah 6 жыл бұрын
I totally agree. By driving slightly faster we never stay in a blind spot which highly reduces our chances of an accident. Nice video, and come pick me up as well officers, I'm guilty of protecting my life. Ha
@JohnBehring
@JohnBehring 6 жыл бұрын
Heck ya, better ahead of the cars slightly than being rear ended by the teenager updating their Facebook status.
@robertfrank4209
@robertfrank4209 5 жыл бұрын
Exactly!
@gorillaau
@gorillaau 6 жыл бұрын
Yes, I tend to be at the speed of the traffic or a little faster. Being at the speed limit when everyone else is doing a bit more is a trap.
@jonmarsh4149
@jonmarsh4149 6 жыл бұрын
gorillaau yes I agree i would rather focus on the traffic in front amd not worry about being hit from behind. Stay away from trucks too many blind spots, retreads coming apart. Similar with cars run in front or behind were they are aware of your presence and not beside .
@gorillaau
@gorillaau 6 жыл бұрын
Jon Marsh Yes, trucks are bad. A motorcyclist came off their bike near me recently after tangling with a truck and into hospital in a critical condition. Trucks are a multiple tons of bricks travelling at speed... can't see though them, can't see around them, just get away from them. Forward or back as either works but never alongside. Been riding for 2.5 years but clocked up arond 20,000 miles, and still learning :-)
@huyked
@huyked 6 жыл бұрын
I was in a CAR, and a dumb truck driver merged right into my lane. I thought he's going to run over the car and crush us. Our car's front was pivoted toward the center front of their cab for a couple of (long) seconds. Either he was just dumb, or fell asleep behind the wheel. As we were pull over on the freeway, he had the audacity to blame me for causing the accident. He was fishing. I told him, I have a witness and a card saying he saw you run into us. He shut up real quick. In a motorcycle, I would have been roadkill.
@cruiserjohn3790
@cruiserjohn3790 6 жыл бұрын
I mean really..Nobody is doing the excact speed limit..Nobody does that. Most of those who makes it a dangerous situations is those who are driving below the speed limit.
@petercollivet4204
@petercollivet4204 6 жыл бұрын
gorillaau i
@Johny40Se7en
@Johny40Se7en 6 жыл бұрын
I agree about the speed thing. One other thing is which lane you're using on a motorway, here in the UK there's usually 3 or 4 lanes on motorways, I'm aware that in America there can be around 4 or 5. I'd never sit in the slow lane near the slip roads coming on or off the motorway because I've seen so many crashes where people are speeding and then they try and get off the motorway at the last second and often causing a collision. I love lane splitting, I'm completely for it but do it safe. I've seen loads of videos of people splitting around 30mph+ while the traffic is standing still or at a crawl. All it takes is for one of those drivers to pull across a lane for whatever reason and the biker lane splitting is absolutely f**ked. It's legal to filter here in the UK too but you're still taking a chance doing it so just be sensible and thoughtful with what's going on around you. Look in the mirrors of other vehicles to try and make eye contact with the other drivers and see what they're up to because loads of people use their phones while moving slowly or stopped and that's not good. Very good topic.
@billharrington4759
@billharrington4759 6 жыл бұрын
Hey Kevin, I really appreciate your instruction and easy way of delivering the information. I’m well into my 60s and have been riding since I was 18. Almost every week I learn something new that makes my riding so much more enjoyable and safer. I’ve passed your site on to every rider I know, young and older. You’ve taken a lot of time to brake things down to simple steps to develop muscle memory and constant awareness. I’m certain you’ve already saved many lives. I live in California and split lanes from time to time. I don’t like those that abuse the privilege though, like the foolish one in your video. I too would like to see it legalized in more states, with some restrictions. I won’t split lanes as long as the traffic is moving at a pace I don’t have to keep stopping and starting, and when I do, it’s just 5 or 10 miles an hour. Most people will move over when they hear you coming. We splitters need to remember some drivers don’t like us doing it at all, and we should be courteous. It’s those that rip through traffic that give us a bad name and cause accidents too. Thanks for all you do Kevin. Lookin forward to the next one.....Bill
@wingman2k
@wingman2k 6 жыл бұрын
Anything far above or far below the general flow of traffic is dangerous in a car or motorcycle. Go with the flow!
@benth162
@benth162 6 жыл бұрын
You used the word "far", meaning many miles per hour slower or faster, but that is not what he was saying in the video. And we don't believe in moving with the flow unless you have no other choice. Slightly above is best and it allows you to pick your point instead of letting traffic to pick it for you, which is not, "Going with the flow" my friend.
@catsbyondrepair
@catsbyondrepair 6 жыл бұрын
The rule is is don't exceed the speed limit and you won't become a fool sausage.
@benth162
@benth162 6 жыл бұрын
Really YUKI, really? I am not a robot and I will not act like one, and while I am on the road, I am nobodies fool my good friend. MCrider is absolutely correct in this video, so get your head out and wake up, you might learn something !
@catsbyondrepair
@catsbyondrepair 6 жыл бұрын
Rumple Stiltskin The speed limit is there for a reason numnutts you don't exceed it in any circumstances .
@benth162
@benth162 6 жыл бұрын
Jesus, are you some kind or Beta male, or are you a cop ? Either way you ARE in the WRONG place to push your ignorance. Apparently your roboticism has your mind locked-up as the perfect slave of the state. I observe speed laws as I see fit as mere suggestions that could keep me safe. I know my abilities and will not let the state determine for me what is or is not safe. Do you even have any idea what I mean?
@MCAdventurerHD131
@MCAdventurerHD131 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video, Kevin. I think it’s more accurate to say that as motorcyclists, we ride to the conditions. And that may mean riding faster or slower than the posted speed. Most police officers recognize that motorcycles are different than cars. But no one would let a 20+ differential slide.
@jameswatson8256
@jameswatson8256 4 жыл бұрын
I'm active duty military, and currently the Motorcycle Safety Officer for one of the larger shore based units at Naval Station San Diego. Speed differential is something that i PREACH to our riders. Southern California freeway traffic flow is typically 80 in a 65 on the regular, and in regards to lane splitting, there are plenty of haters. That being said, I-15 motorists are very accustomed to giving way to motorcyclists between the #1 and 2 lanes, and it's typically quite safe to lane split at a prudent and courteous speed differential. Most of the folks that I've engaged in conversation that oppose to lane splitting bring up the same points of interest over and over: bikes blowing by them at high rates of speed, bikes barking their throttle and startling motorists, and riders that camp in blind spots before shooting gaps. Sensibly, if you're making yourself visible, watching for cues from motorists ahead, and splitting when it's PRUDENT(car moves left indicating they see you and are inviting you to split) this not only makes life easier for the 2-wheeler, it makes it easier for the car that no longer has to be mindful of your location since you're now out in front.
@williamwintemberg
@williamwintemberg 6 жыл бұрын
Yes! The case involving backed up traffic at an exit ramp is a snake pitt.. I ride in a way that makes me feel the safest at the moment. Whatever the conditions, I adjust accordingly.
@stihlisbestyup3865
@stihlisbestyup3865 6 жыл бұрын
I just purchased my first Harley this year. Have about 12 years experience and I totally agree with you. I’ve drove over the road and taken weeks if not months of safety training. Aim high in steering is what one instructor taught us. Going a little bit faster I believe keeps you more alert and not droned into the sounds of movement. Always focusing out in front of you of road conditions/hazards.
@stevevandermeer1958
@stevevandermeer1958 4 жыл бұрын
Another good video on a subject that matters to all. I can remember when I first started riding, way back in my 20's, just after the last ice age. I rode fast, I zipped between cars, I was a real PIA to everyone around me. I was also very lucky and didn't get or hurt someone. That being said, I had a 40 year break from the bike. Now retired and back on. Took a beginners class to update my skills and knowledge. The instructor made a statement that I've remember every time I ride. It is this: "no matter what your skill level is, always ride in your comfort zone". In other words, when and if you feel uncomfortable in the situation, change what your doing. Slow down, change roads and get back in control. This is especially true when riding with a group. You don't need to keep up with the hot dogger. Ride up to your level of comfort and ability. At my age today, I really prefer to ride alone. I'm more aware and I hope more in control of my actions. Love your videos, always educational. Thanks.
@mikeweaver238
@mikeweaver238 3 жыл бұрын
I am just getting back on a bike after years off. Been trying to watch a couple of videos per day, and you never fail to make me think. Thanks for what you do !!!
@purepower333
@purepower333 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your videos...I was able to get the courage and buy a bike and take the motorcycle safety course and pass it and enjoy riding in Poughkeepsie. Thank you Sir!
@gorillaau
@gorillaau 6 жыл бұрын
purepower333 When your budget allows for it, get motorcycle gear, especially a helmet is a must.
@Bosephjones
@Bosephjones 6 жыл бұрын
Keep seeking out advanced training. And also re-take your basic courses every so often. It will pay off. Always be open to new learning!! Stay safe!!! :)
@purepower333
@purepower333 6 жыл бұрын
MrFrzZ thank you for that advice! I will take another course next month advance basic ridercourse.
@jonb4763
@jonb4763 6 жыл бұрын
Get the best gear you can find even if it means spending more than you think you should. The most expensive isn't necessarily the best so do your research. Best helmet you can find (gotta protect the squishy stuff inside) as well as upper/lower body armor, and good RIDING boots, not just some work boot and NO FLIP FLOPS! You don't want to have someone else wiping your butt and surgery is more expensive than ANY gear you could buy. Ride safe.
@chrisr7552
@chrisr7552 6 жыл бұрын
I ride in California, since 1966. As a teen, I split lanes only at stop lights, which allowed me to speed away from trouble (legally). Now I follow the CHP recommendations when I split lanes. I say that you have to watch for potential changing of lanes by all cars! I have found out that I will Not be stopped for going 75 on the freeway(Calif.). I do ride in rainy weather, after riding in storm 1 conditions on Okinawa (1972). I'm 69 now. I subscribed today.
@thomaswistrand6216
@thomaswistrand6216 5 жыл бұрын
I have found listening to that little voice helpful- “get away from this area”. In many instances vehicles travel in packs on highways. I find it best to ride between those packs and if necessary leap frog ahead and find another hole in the traffic packs. Situational awareness is the key. If the situation around you is becoming unsafe- exit the highway and wait 5 or 10 minutes before continuing. Lane splitting: I’ve done it a few times in California on a Goldwing. Obey the rules and remember that you are merely asking permission to pass. If I don’t see the drivers pulling away to allow me through, I’ll wait.
@carlosfigueroa8299
@carlosfigueroa8299 6 жыл бұрын
I started riding 11 years ago. Took the basic course, practice on empty streets and parking lots, and read Hough’s book. My mentor, an experienced senior rider, emphasized the importance of speed differential. “Always ride 5 miles above the traffic’s speed.” The point being that speed differential increases your ability to react faster to potential danger (everybody else around you). Splitting lanes and filtering is considered safe here in California, specially as a way to avoid rear end collisions. Thank you so much for your videos!
@johnc8910
@johnc8910 6 жыл бұрын
Hough’s book: _Proficient Motorcycling_. Excellent book.Everyone should have a copy and read it, then periodically reread it.
@waterdude21236
@waterdude21236 6 жыл бұрын
I have ben riding since i was 16 yrs old and am 54 now, i love your videos they are a good reminder why i ride the way i do, after developing good habits on a bike, it's a nice reminder to here why i ride like i do,thank you for making it simple, keep up the good work...
@Richard-xu4cj
@Richard-xu4cj 6 жыл бұрын
Best advice you've offered so far! It makes you more visible and lessens the danger from behind.
@dogsnmotorcycles
@dogsnmotorcycles 6 жыл бұрын
If you ride the same speed as traffic, drivers may notice you, but they may not notice later when they veer into your lane, so it's best to keep moving past them by 5 mph or faster if you need to put space between you and them, such as changing lanes. I will speed when I need to get a safe distance from cars, because cars can easily cause your death. I'll risk a speeding ticket and reduce the risk of death just because I choose to ride.
@quietknight8250
@quietknight8250 6 жыл бұрын
I've been a road going motorcyclist since 1975, I've raced for about seven years including holding a state title and I've been a motorcycle courier; all that you're saying is a no brainer. First up, it's just a part of popular culture to see bikes as dangerous but the danger presented by motorcycling is far less than most non riders would believe and by far the worst of it is other road users i.e. cars and trucks so the solution is simple; keep as far from other road users as possible. This means managing the gaps between yourself and others so by travelling a bit above the speed of surrounding traffic most of the gaps that are getting smaller are exactly where you want them, right in front of you where you can most easily keep an eye on them, of course nothing is guaranteed and it's vital to develop eyes in the back of your head, you have to be aware of what's going on around you for the full 360° ALL the time. The next most important thing, as touched on in the clip, is to anticipate and a good rider often knows what moves the traffic around him/her is going to make before the drivers themselves do. A good clip MCrider, thanks for posting.
@jamesroger775
@jamesroger775 6 жыл бұрын
Agreed. A little faster, a little ahead of the pack AND always to the left. If single lane, left side of lane; if multi lane, left lane - again ahead of the pack.
@quietknight8250
@quietknight8250 6 жыл бұрын
Yes, that's also a good point but I'm assuming you're in a place where you drive/ride on the right, they put you in jail for doing that where I live! Ever seen a cat confronting a dog? It arches its back and makes its hair (fur?) stand on end so it looks bigger than it is, same principle applies to us, be in their face so they don't have the SMIDSY excuse. Yeah, okay we don't do the yowling and hissing.
@weride2up1
@weride2up1 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks !
@john1957john
@john1957john 6 жыл бұрын
"far the worst of it is other road users i.e. cars and trucks", this is simply not the truth, nearly half of all motorcycle accidents is single vehicle accidents.
@quietknight8250
@quietknight8250 6 жыл бұрын
A good point John, the stat's consistently indicate exactly that, but I've never come across a correlation of single vehicle motorcycle accidents v.s. single vehicle motorcycle accident injury v.s. multiple vehicle (including motorcycle) accident injury, probably a good project for students of statistical analysis. No doubt about it, motorcyclists die without the help of traffic but experience and observation indicates to me that if I'm going to part company with my bike I want to do it alone. My point is the (much) greater threat to our safety lies in "coming together" with other vehicles than not, hugely less fun than it sounds and yet we still end up f@#$%d. By no means do I wish to indicate that traffic is the only threat we face, there IS a level of inherent danger in motorcycling; in a world where we are so cut off from any responsibility for our own actions - if have an accident in my car I have air-bags, crumple zones, automatic emergency services hailing and insurance (yes, my bike's also insured) to protect me while on my bike I have my wits, I like what's real.
@donaldcole5358
@donaldcole5358 6 жыл бұрын
I agree with Kevin 100%
@westcoast3595
@westcoast3595 6 жыл бұрын
Staying alive on the road, this is correct. Better control, and allows one to be seen. Allways trust another vehicle to take you out. I have been riding on the street since 1973. I am 63. This man is right and very sensible.
@JeffJeno1000
@JeffJeno1000 5 жыл бұрын
I enjoy the philosophy of safe motorcycling in this channel as much as the practical tips shared. Thanks Kevin. JJ, Australia.
@jefmatttab
@jefmatttab 6 жыл бұрын
He is spot on. I have been riding since the 70s. I was taught then, to go at least 5 faster than traffic. Keep your focus in front of you
@ericmessinger6707
@ericmessinger6707 6 жыл бұрын
My dad taught me the same thing. Always ride slightly faster than the flow of traffic" regardless of the actual speed. This goes along with the thought "That a moving object is easier to see than a stationary object". No tickets:)
@markvonkarlsbad9062
@markvonkarlsbad9062 6 жыл бұрын
1) Great channel, love it. 2) Here in San Diego (CA), lane splitting is a way of life. There are significant amounts of time every day when all major thoroughfares will be stop-and-go, which is just torture on a bike. So really all we do is keep going fast enough to stay rolling and provide a small cushion of maneuvering speed. The art is in blending in and out of the lanes as traffic loosens up and gets up to speed, and then starts to slow and then stop -- when to move into the open is the most important thing to judge, you don't want to get caught stopped. Most of our freeways have 10 foot wide lanes, so there's a lot of room, even next to trucks. But riders who barrel through stopped traffic at 50 (or more) are going to get taken out eventually, it's only a matter of time.
@zookieguy
@zookieguy 6 жыл бұрын
I enjoy your videos. After over 40 years of riding, finding a sane rider who has come to the same conclusions I have is comforting. I also believe that sane lane splitting is better than sitting in traffic being a target, Keep up the great videos, and most important, STAY SAVE!!!
@Xearin
@Xearin 6 жыл бұрын
Solid explanation. Here during motorcycle lessons, they actually tell you to generally drive about 3-5mph faster than the posted speed limit, to maximize your advantage of being on a smaller vehicle. At least on open roads and highways.
@TJRohyans
@TJRohyans 6 жыл бұрын
I've only been riding now for about 5.5 years, but after 66,500 miles on a V-Star 1300T I consider myself to have at least average experience. I live in Mobile, AL, and commute to Houma, LA, for work. For almost 2.5 years my V-Star was my only mode of transportation. I've lived and worked all over this country when I was still in the USAF. I've always been confident driving/riding on the Interstate. In fact, back roads give me greater concern - blind corners, animals, etc. I knew a MS Highway Patrolman pretty well, and the "unwritten" rule relayed to me was that any thing less than double digits over the speed limit was generally acceptable as far as speed differential, but if you're blowing the doors off of traffic around you, then you're probably getting pulled over. I generally ride/drive at 8 MPH over the posted speed limits on Interstates/Highways, and 5 MPH over posted within city limits. The SLOWEST drivers I have EVER encountered though are in southern Louisiana! They're typically at or below the posted speed limit, and even slower going uphill (New Orleans Twinspan)! Except in school and hospital zones where they maintain the speed they were doing prior to entering those zones, which is usually still over the zone speed limit. As far as Lane Splitting... Even if it were legal in Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, and Louisiana I would still avoid it just because of road rage and spiteful drivers. Even LEO's are under attack these days, so how would I be safe?
@huyked
@huyked 6 жыл бұрын
Holy mackeral. You commute for 3 hours one direction?! I hope that's not everyday! That's crazy that even cops have road rage against them if lane splitting. People are stupid.
@TJRohyans
@TJRohyans 6 жыл бұрын
Haha. No, not every day! I work a week on, week off schedule. Cops have road rage? I never said that. In the four states I mentioned lane splitting is illegal. But even if it was legal, I'm not sure I would trust "Cagers" enough to feel safe doing it.
@huyked
@huyked 6 жыл бұрын
TJ Rohyans Ah, okay. Otherwise, gas bill would be nuts! I didn't mean the cops, but the people reactions against them lane splitting.
@noelespirtu8165
@noelespirtu8165 6 жыл бұрын
i think ca is the only state lane splitting is legal
@leroyjones769
@leroyjones769 6 жыл бұрын
Noel Espirtu ...and in Cali it works thank goodness..We’ve been doing it so long that people actually pull to the left to give you more space which is awesome
@MeisVlk
@MeisVlk 6 жыл бұрын
An other advantage of going slightly faster than traffic is that you don't get bored, you keep concentrating on what is around you. You look ahead to see if it is allright to accelerate, you look behind to see if you can initiate an overtake.
@rajeshvenkatachalam2685
@rajeshvenkatachalam2685 6 жыл бұрын
I love your channel Kevin and bring your co-worker next week. Here is a long read (SORRY) from a CA lane splitter.. 1) Enter to start lane splitting slow.. i.e traffic begins to back up rapidly and cars are decelerating as drivers will be looking to place themselves in a faster lane.. lift up the visor to avoid fogging. 2) Start lane splitting only when both lanes are backing up.. If say the right lane is backing up and left is not, Stay on the outside end of the left lane for maximum visibility. 3) Any time a wide gap appears on either side of the lane (often caused by drivers busy looking at phone) , be careful as someone else may be trying to take that spot and in high traffic situation the lane change is usually rapid and erratic. 4) Look at the markers between the lane and look out futher… do not look at the cars.. If a car veers side to side within the lane, your peripheral vision will catch it and your gut reaction will be to slow down.. Do not try to rationalize.. follow your intuition or gut.. Never split if you don't feel like it. 5) Most drivers ride to the left of the road (typically), if someone it too much to the right be vigilant, and slow until they move, or more place opens up on the right lane to move in and out. 6) Lane markers (round white disks) and paint is extremely slippery, do not go over them when wet, unless when you must. Under dry conditions its ok if you know what to expect. Expect more pronounced feedback from the markers as in slower speeds you will feel them more so don't tense up. 7) Watch out for newly installed markers, Tar snakes, groves etc.. If you have to apply mid level braking when splitting between cars, the tars and groves will steer the bike if that happens ease on front brake when safe. Ideally, you should have seen it coming and slowed ahead of time. 8) Be gentle with the throttle, when the wheel comes off the marker disc, a mild throttle can spin wheel 9) Do not be under pressure to speed up when splitting due to other bikes getting too close to you. Always yield if there are motorcycle two cars behind. 10) BIG TIP : I always wave.. as I pass by cars I wave to the car on the left lane. If I don't wave, typically 30% of the cars will yield by moving left. When I wave 70% of them do. This is because the driver in the car in front will notice a long hand waving (besides becoming move visible, our eyes have a way of spotting moving objects). I generally wave with my hands up, palms fully open at shoulder height. Most sports bike riders show peace sign and barely above the handle bars due to posture. For me, peace is when I get home, and I ride adventure bike so lift my hand up above (shoulder level) to make myself visible. It also puts me in a positive, relaxed, nice person mindset and other like to get a wave too, so they yeild. 11) Always be in a lower gear for the speed you are splitting than the gear you would be when not splitting. This allows for quick escape get away. 12) Splitting when traffic is moving is safer than when stopped. 13) I always like to split when two cars are close enough to each other that they will not switch lanes.. they don't need to be parallel, offset is fine. Goal is the driver will not switch lanes since they have seen the other car.. 14) Hopefully not, but if you ever hit something it will be most likely the your side mirrors against the other car/pickup. Always make sure the side mirror or each adjacent car are bit offset. This depends on bike too.. I ride adventure bike so my handle bars are above all cars.. so pickup trucks are what I watch out for. 15) Avoid night time lane splitting as side mirrors don't have lights. 16) When riding a tall bike, 1200GSA and if you are not absolutely able to flat foot on stop, be aware of the camber (incline) on road, ramps and overpass. When going at 3 miles and up we don't duck walk, but when you have to and the road is an incline lean and put foot to the side that is higher, even if that is not what you typically do. Be aware of it. 17) Be aware of Jersey barrier being close to the road due to construction etc.. cars usually put themselves to the right side of the lane, avoid spitting, unless driver yields. 18) Never follow a loaded pick up truck, and use more cation when lane splitting with a another motorcycle in the lane who is not (and you never know when he/she will) splitting, It is easy to see or communicate. And if you are that person (not splitting) at that time, move further to the left, as an acknowledgement to the rider spitting the lane. 19) Never follow another bike splitting lanes with less than 3 car lanes at a minimum and more for a given speed. The most uncomfortable situation is when traffic is moving on either or both side and you are stuck in the middle. 20) Have the high beam on (must) and the hazards on (optional). Try to lane split only between the fast lane and the next one. People expect you there and no other lanes. 21) Know thyself. I almost always split lanes and some days more and some days less. Depends on stress, fatigue etc.. Do not do something that you don't feel like. 22) Splitting lane is a choice and should never be a need. Splitting lanes is not the best way to catch up for a meeting you are running late. True even when you are not splitting, call ahead and show up late than miss the meeting completely. 23) Always take a break, after 20-25 mins of lane splitting, move over to the left lane and ride with the cars in that lane to rest. Lane splitting take a lot of cognitive processing and focus (on riding, intuitively). Even if you feel you don't need it, it helps. Relax your shoulder, check your posture. I always do and after 5-10 mins, I am back splitting. 24) Try not to split lanes when traffic is above 45 mins and speed differential should be 5-15 mins tops.. I have split lanes at higher speeds, but speed differential is critical and other driver acknowledgement is key at higher speeds. I typically ride closer to the lane markers on the fast lane for visibility. In CA, drivers are polite and yield at 70 mph thinking I want to split by going off road partially towards the jersey barrier. This means ton of dust and derby and I am worried the driver may hurt themselves. 25) There are some more lane spitting tips but this a long read already. If you are new to splitting, rest assured, I did not learn all of the above in one ride but years of riding.. so always try to learn (not test) from your daily ride. All the other inputs from Kevin apply - never tense up, soft grip.. etc..
@ashikime
@ashikime 6 жыл бұрын
I'm also in the DFW area. I am on 35E regularly. I completely agree with what you say about speed differential and going about 5 mph faster than those around me. Thanks for all you do!
@zacharycarlson4492
@zacharycarlson4492 6 жыл бұрын
I've been riding Harley's and sport bikes for several years. I follow the exact same practice you mentioned. Stay safe out there guys.
@mikem597
@mikem597 5 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. I am an old guy, living and riding in Southern California. I rode 40 miles per day, back and forth to work, on the often packed 101 and 118 freeways. Reasonable speed lane splitting was definitely safer feeling for me than start-stop-start-stop-creeping along. Riding as a car would, meant drivers would be on your a** in traffic. It was much better to be between the lanes, so there was a forward line of sight, and hardly and foot-down time.
@wgraybuckley
@wgraybuckley 6 жыл бұрын
Reasonable & Prudent are the key words. Just as surely as we have wet road surface during rainstorms, as the volume and speed of traffic in a given section increase, the probability of a cataclysmic crash increases. Riding in traffic at a speed significantly less than the majority of the traffic invites several kinds of disaster. SLOW riding in traffic is a hazard to other vehicles. Riding significantly faster does the same. As the volume and speed increases, I look for an alternate route. When that is not an option, I ride between groups; i.e., in the gap between the cluster of cars ahead and the cluster behind. Achieving that goal is frequently a challenge, but it keeps me thinking.
@genesasser2855
@genesasser2855 6 жыл бұрын
I spent many years riding the greater Los Angeles area. There are times to share your lane, times to yield to other traffic but there is never a good time to force the issue. Ride defensively and never assume another driver sees you. The term Lane Splitting carries a negative connotation to many drivers and riders. A more accurate term, I believe, is "Lane Sharing". Lane sharing requires both occupiers of the lane to work together for safe navigation. Once a rider starts forcing the issue they are splitting and aggravating cage drivers. When 4 wheel vehicles get aggravated, Our situation gets dangerous. We have to make a judgement of which is the safer situation, sharing the lane or riding so slow as to compromise stability. Keep up the great work. Information is our friend.
@W6rr10r21
@W6rr10r21 6 жыл бұрын
Here in the Netherlands following a quite intense motorcycle course and passing multiple exams are required to have a license. During the course they also teach you to ride slightly faster than the flow of traffic, using your speed to create your own space and sometimes to escape dangerous situations. Not having an assertive, confident riding style (including riding slightly faster than the flow of traffic) is also one of the main reasons why people fail their ‘traffic participation’ exam.
@BenjaminT.Minkler
@BenjaminT.Minkler 6 жыл бұрын
two things to note: 1) there is always someone behind you that will be going faster, so still use your mirrors and shoulder check 2) you can pick up a tail; if someone sees that you are making better progress often they will be lazy and follow you, but they might not be able to stop as fast I watched my riding buddy almost get smashed on a long ride when he went to change lanes to go around a truck; my buddy looked back before moving over, and then I looked back and saw a car speeding up from directly behind in our lane that he didn't see(as the car was way back but coming really fast) my buddy and I were riding a little faster than 'most' normal traffic, so had 'gotten comfortable' with giving our attention to the road ahead....but they still can come from behind very quickly...both my riding buddy and the speeding car 'popped' out into the passing lane at about the same time, and I could see how shocked the car driver was as he got on the brakes hard right beside me....my buddy never even knew it happened also I always try to loose those 'lazy tails' by ducking back into traffic and letting them pass, then wait a bit for them to get further ahead...see if they will slow below the riding speed I was going without me(usually) or go faster than I was...then if they slow, pick the right time to pass them when they might get stuck in traffic....but never try to loose them by just increasing to a higher speed, as that only makes the problem worse
@cesarguerra5052
@cesarguerra5052 6 жыл бұрын
You are right Mc, Im just a new rider with less than 6 months under my belt, but as soon as I started getting in the freeway I felt that going slightly over the speed of traffic was a good option and makes me feel more save.
@ralphwaters8905
@ralphwaters8905 6 жыл бұрын
I live in a suburb of Los Angeles and have been riding motorcycles on and off since 1970. Today I'm a retired "returning rider" trying to mitigate my presence in this high-risk group by merging past experience with aged wisdom, ha ha. Rule #3 on my list of road strategies is to keep as much space between me and the nearest MOVING car as possible. One tactic for city traffic is to lane split up to the front of the line at a red light so I can move out ahead of the pack into open space. However, I only attempt this when I have plenty of room between lanes and time remaining before the light changes to creep all the way to the front. A forced merge after a failed attempt tends to piss people off. Travelling slightly faster than traffic helps me move into that open space between clusters of cars. It also keeps most threats coming at me from the front. However, this has allowed me to get lazy in rear situational awareness, so I've been surprised now and then when a car has passed me, especially on the right. I believe this may be illegal on European highways. L.A. area freeways present a multitude of dangers to motorcycles. Not a week goes by that the morning traffic report fails to include a freeway blockage by a downed motorcycle. The #1 "fast" lane is the least of the evils because you avoid heavy trucks, threats from your left, and most inattentive commuters. However, 70 MPH tailgaters present their own special danger. When lane splitting thru stopped gridlock, I've had people open their car door in front of me more than once, so anything is possible. My mid-size 400-lb sport bike also feels a little light and bouncy at speed in the fast lane, so I tend to avoid freeways. So, I think I agree with you, although my speed differential tends to be a bit lower than yours at 3-5 MPH. Keep up the good work, Kevin. I refer friends to your channel every chance I get.
@VARider1
@VARider1 6 жыл бұрын
After living in Japan for nearly 3 years and learning how to lane split I can tell you it is far safer than people think. Maybe here in the USA we can start small by allowing bikes to lane split only when traffic is completely stopped. Being able to go between stopped vehicles improves your safety factor by surrounding yourself by metal on both your left and right sides thus preventing rear end collisions. This is how lane splitting makes motorcycles safer on the road, not lane splitting on medians (left or right of vehicles), but between vehicles having them to both sides of you.
@chuckjobe8899
@chuckjobe8899 6 жыл бұрын
I agree with you. I live in Waco and my brother lives in Dallas. So, when I go up to visit, I usually drive the speed limit on I-35. Once I get close to Dallas and the congestion and speed increases, I will ride around 5 mph faster than the traffic and try to stay in a lane with fewer cars so I can react quicker to any situations that might come up.
@jamesherrington5606
@jamesherrington5606 5 жыл бұрын
I remember reading in Cycle Guide back in the early '80s that it was advantageous to go slightly faster than the cars around you bc it gives a sense of control of the situation.
@karlreinke
@karlreinke 6 жыл бұрын
I totally agree. Especially on multi-lane situations. The less time you spend lingering in blind spots the better. Cars have HUGE blind spots with the thicker B-pillars side impact airbags employ. Semis have 40 foot blind spots. I went to a motorcycle safety seminar at a rally taught by a State trooper moto officer. He explained that police know this and recognize the difference between a responsible motorcyclist speeding and just a reckless speeder.
@recyclebills
@recyclebills 6 жыл бұрын
Something to ponder. Say you drive 3-5 MPH over the average speed of traffic. Now the guy behind you starts riding 3-5 MPH above the average speed of traffic. Soon everyone is riding 3-5 MPH above average speed of traffic and the average speed of traffic has been increased by 3-5 MPH. Rinse, lather, repeat until local law enforcement draws the line. Now you know why people drive faster around Dallas than Fort Worth. Great advice as always. Keep up the good work. Me, I'll ride up here in North Carolina where traffic is slightly saner. I had my share of DFW 30 years ago.
@rogereastman3187
@rogereastman3187 5 жыл бұрын
Love your program... Herein is my problem...I have always been a putter. Rarely do I ride faster than 65....I have no problems so far. However , if I'm on a freeway, that's crowded, and everybody is speeding, I'll get off and take alternative routing.... But, I get your point
@davegreen8738
@davegreen8738 5 жыл бұрын
I've ridden for just about 50 years. I was riding a '75 Goldwing north on the Harbor Fwy thru LA one evening and lane splitting. I saw a headlight coming up behind me and moved left to let him pass. Turned out to be CHP on a bike. He pulled next to me, leaned over and said "Let me go first". I said "ok". haha. I followed him for miles and every once in a while I'd hear a chirp. When we got to the tunnels he motioned me to come up and I pulled beside him. He leaned over and said "If they (the cars) give you any trouble, just chirp your rear tire and it makes them get out of the way". We then rode into Glendale when I had to get off the fwy, waved and he waved back. Another time I split a lane on Rosecrans in Manhattan Beach and was waiting at the stop light. When the light turned green I took off - NOT excessive. I was, though, speeding to stay ahead of the cars behind me. And, yep, I got pulled over. The cop told me how fast I was going. I asked if I could explain. He said OK. I asked if it would do any good. He said NO. So I told him that I don't trust anyone in a car and one way I can keep myself safe is to stay away from them. He kinda laughed and shook his head. I figured I was getting a ticket. He walked back to his car and after a few minutes I heard his ticket book slap shut. He walked back to me and said (shaking his head and grinning) "If I catch you again, you're getting a ticket, now get outta here". I did lane split on the freeway but safely. Never more than 15mph (usually less) over the speed of traffic and when the flow was going 40 (usually less) or so I'd pull back into a lane. Most of the time HOV lanes are perfect for bikes and no splitting is necessary if they're present.
@jpc123ful
@jpc123ful 5 жыл бұрын
Former SF Bay Area rider here. I think lane splitting is a dangerous practice but the alternative is adding additional 2 hours to get home (waiting for traffic flow to speed up after commute hours) or lane split. I have lane split a street glide across Sacramento on 80 and then again at Vacaville and again at Fairfield just to get home. I actually felt myself getting mentally tired so I just took an off ramp, called home and the got something to eat. Mental fatigue associated with long bouts of lane splitting makes for an accident.
@frankwhite5609
@frankwhite5609 6 жыл бұрын
I believe we have to go fast to avoid being ran over. Cars do not always look for us .Excellent video Mc Rider.
@taiosho2054
@taiosho2054 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you Kevin for the weekly video and all patreons on MCrider for their support, in the name of safety
@davidprej
@davidprej 6 жыл бұрын
Maintaining the proper speed differential makes perfect sense. Another great video.
@rikherlaar
@rikherlaar 6 жыл бұрын
Agree 100% with the speed differential approach - I apply that in general anyhow (car and bike) - some of the gravest accidents on our European highways involving slow trucks, coaches and normal cars ...had always to do with careless driving (i.e. reading emails/social media whilst driving) and traffic suddenly slowing down... a split second of distraction will do the job. On lane-splitting...I never exceed 15 to 20 Km/h differential speed - some fellow bikers get annoyed of that and I just make way for a moment so they can continue their endeavor ...for me it works over 20 years (sometimes you need to be lucky or develop gutfeel for inattentive drivers changing lanes just in front of you) . To not lane-split defies the very purpose if commuting with a bike and contributes to traffic jams instead of taking the pressure off. Keep up the good work sir - again an excellent video.
@v8zj98
@v8zj98 6 жыл бұрын
a local officer once told me to always go 4-6 mph above the flow of traffic. He said it helps keep me visible to those around me.
@tonypybus8003
@tonypybus8003 6 жыл бұрын
Very good points as usual. The problem I have with the advice is that similar to the situations you described the traffic I tend to ride in in the uk is often exceeding the posted limited by some 10 to 20 miles an hour. If I had a positive speed differential I would loose my licence for a year. I am not sure of whether the roads around you have speed cameras. over here there are thousands of them and the only thing you know about a speeding ticket is when a letter arrives with the fine and penalty points. The law in the UK takes a very dim view of excessive speed. I tend to ride in a lane that is doing more or less the posted limit. The act of "lane splitting" is called "filtering" in the uk and is permitted. However I often see it at speeds in excess of 60 mph which to my mind is absolute lunacy. I used to do it many years ago and that ended my aircraft engineering career when a car turned out on me without indicating. I now only filter in traffic which is static. This seems to annoy car drivers as the try to straddle the lane to stop motorcyclists as they are not instructed as to what other vehicles are permitted to do on the road. Often the Motorcyclist is deemed to be at fault in these accident situations.
@earlebacciochi9796
@earlebacciochi9796 6 жыл бұрын
Tony Pybus ,I don't filter very often, but yesterday found myself in rush hour traffic queueing 1-- 2 miles and on the A5 Milton Keynes. Miraculously like Moses the cars parted and I proceeded at 5 -- 10 mph.keeping an eye on the 2% that didn't in case they changed lane suddenly.Going so slow, headlight on and covering brake almost eliminates chance of accidents.
@tonypybus8003
@tonypybus8003 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you Earle - You are obviously the more intelligent and I I have no problem doing what you were doing. The point I was making was the idiots that do it in fast moving traffic. There are many idiots on the A12, which is my main route between home and work in colchester, who are not so helpful. There are daily accidents causing long tail backs on it or there is a problem with the M25 and it tails back on the A12. Truckers generally know the rules for us and I see them pull to the near side of the lane to let me through. However, often car owners are a different kettle of fish and often do the reverse. I got very helpful piece of advice I recently was to use the high beam flash as you move through slow moving traffic as it tends to wake any bored and nodding drivers. However, filtering down single lane traffic against on coming traffic especially in town is definitely a major hazard. Many car owners I come across around Romford ( my current home town) I am sure don't believe their cars have indictors and will turn right without indicating and that is when you can be in deep trouble irrespective of speed. As I said in my first post doing this ended a good career. I also warned my mate about it and he came cropper last year. Thankfully, he only recked a pair of trousers and scuffed a couple of panels on his bike. By the way this is not a car driver bashing session I have a car myself - in fact until two years ago, when I had my licence restricted due to the fact that I am now an insulin injecting diabetic, there was not a vehicle that I was not licensed to drive including a 65 ton tank on the road. Ride safely, Ride free.
@earlebacciochi9796
@earlebacciochi9796 6 жыл бұрын
Sorry Tony,I wasn't criticizing.There's some really careless car drivers and a few evil bastard's. "Ride to Live,Live to Ride"!👍
@tonypybus8003
@tonypybus8003 6 жыл бұрын
Hi earle - didn't take it any other way. :-)
@kcpl8er
@kcpl8er 6 жыл бұрын
Hey glad you're still going !! Love you like a brother in Christ !!!
@susanfenwick7722
@susanfenwick7722 6 жыл бұрын
As a new rider, I thank you and I trust your opinion and experience. For me...for now, I will avoid freeways in the city. I live on the Kitsap Peninsula across the Puget Sound waters from Seattle, so I don't have city traffic to ride in locally. I did take my Harley street 750 to Seattle one day. I was lucky, but I was scared. I'll wait for more confidence before going back to Seattle. Thank you for all you do and for the roll you play in my learning.
@margiekoos5688
@margiekoos5688 6 жыл бұрын
Susan Fenwick Im a new rider also i agree with you..... Only problem is where I live its all highway driving...
@susanfenwick7722
@susanfenwick7722 6 жыл бұрын
Margie Koos I feel fortunate to live where I do and I'm not forced to gain confidence through doing. I did fine when I went to Seattle, but I was nurvous.
@GerOffYeWeeBastard
@GerOffYeWeeBastard 6 жыл бұрын
Riding in city traffic really drives home just how utterly dangerous bicyclists are. If you're in a car, they'll just bounce off you, but if you're on a motorcycle and one of these idiots runs into you, you're having a bad day.
@joelmorris8801
@joelmorris8801 6 жыл бұрын
Susan, I live in your area too, P.O. Keep building confidence and you'll do fine in Seattle/Tacoma. The lesson here is motorcycles can always ride in the left lane even commuter lanes. I get to the left and stay there. Less cages to watch for and you can ride slightly faster.
@margiekoos5688
@margiekoos5688 6 жыл бұрын
Susan Fenwick I know what your saying. I live in a tourist state Myrtle beach south carolina. There are so many bikers here I love it. Also alot highway driving which im starting to ride. The country roads are really nice too..
@iamkikoman
@iamkikoman 6 жыл бұрын
So I am back on a motorcycle after 20 years. These videos help a lot. I currently lane split at red lights which puts me, I believe, in a more safe situation from the traffic behind me. I see too many drivers on cell phones and some don't see the red light until the last moment. I do not want to be rear ended so I lane split at all red lights. Since the traffic is stopped I can proceed to the front of the line at a safe speed. I don't lane split on the highway mainly because where I live (The Central Valley) traffic is never congested and does not come to a stand still unless there has been an accident. I guess I would lane split on the highway in stopped traffic so I am not the one getting rear ended.
@tmcahren
@tmcahren 6 жыл бұрын
On a 3 lane highway around a city which is common here in the US I ride the middle lane to avoid those entering and those that are going much faster in the left lane. I do ride about 5mph faster than traffic in the middle lane. I then pass when appropriate only on the left and then proceed back to the middle lane. This allows me total control and I feel the safest for my riding style on a cruiser. In real heavy traffic if it constantly backs up I just stick with the middle lane with ample distance to the vehicle in front of me. I know people will fill the spot but I feel I am in control of it at that point and make allowances. When traffic is an accordion effect the left lane too many people pull out that I do not have control and feel they might not see me.
@johnc8910
@johnc8910 6 жыл бұрын
That is the secret to traveling north or south through Dallas. You just stay in whatever is the middle lane (second lane of three or third lane of five). There are a few places you have two entrance/exit lanes either left or right (where I-635 crosses I-35E, for instance). I have seen almost-accidents occur when the driver realized that he was in the wrong lane at the very last moment.
@sail4life
@sail4life 6 жыл бұрын
I ride in the Netherlands. We are actually taught to drive over the speed limit for the same reason. I was taught that because car drivers expect motorcycles to be fast its better to meet their expectations than to be slow and get hit from behind. If you keep your speed within reason (about 10 km/h over) you don't get ticketed. I have never had one and I regularly ride through camera speed traps. Also, lane splitting is allowed here as long as you don't pass vehicles on the wrong side, or ones are moving at over 40 km/h, or the speed differential is over 10Kph.
@scottthornton9237
@scottthornton9237 5 жыл бұрын
Exactly what Kevin Brown said. With one other note. A motorcycle keeping pace with the cage usually makes the cage nervous or annoyed, as they cant predict what the motorcyclist actions will be. Add to that our exhaust sounding off just next to them distracts from the social media time. Then they do something stupid, to make the bike "go away".
@LeopoldMidas
@LeopoldMidas 6 жыл бұрын
Great Topic! I have done the same thing for years by staying about 5 to 10 mph faster than most vehicles. 5 to 7 mph faster seems optimal, it just works.
@juniormarrero9443
@juniormarrero9443 5 жыл бұрын
I am from the NYC tri-state area. 1. Speeding/ Speed differential - When traffic is practically crawling I will speed where its safe to do so where cars will allow me to have space. 2. Lane splitting - I am notorious to do so when the roads have enough space and not fast at all but even with that there is room for error. (e.g. a driver who was looking down at his radio almost squeezed me between him and another car). 3. Two lane Highway - I pretty much know which exits are traffic heavy so I stay on the far side of the lane.
@drg111yt
@drg111yt 6 жыл бұрын
I use and strongly favor "lane splitting", and I agree with your advice, it enables you to travel faster and reduces congestion. Selfish drivers who cut you off or complain should realise you are doing them a favor too. When I drive cars I make a point of looking our for lane splitters and move out of the way for them.
@libertyroads7342
@libertyroads7342 6 жыл бұрын
I like how the Solomon curve shows that most accidents occur with slower drivers. I had a science teacher in high school who changed the way I look at speed. The way he put it was; if you're the fast driver then you only have to look out for traffic in front of you and look out for yourself. The slow driver has to keep their eyes on the mirrors and hope that every driver that's passing them is paying attention. I'd rather be the fast driver that trusts my own skills, than the slow driver who has to trust everyone else.
@johnanderson9735
@johnanderson9735 6 жыл бұрын
I definitely see your point and agree. A couple of freeways (maybe all of them) are always running above the speed limit. If I were to try and do the posted 65 mph, a lot of traffic approaching me would have to avoid me or possibly get to close. Using the maneuverability of a motorcycle is definitely a better option. I also ride with a pretty good group, and confession time for me, I am always the slow poke, they usually ride faster (usually above the speed limit) than I do, on the local twisties, and they always wait at a change in direction so I don't get lost.
@philmoore9829
@philmoore9829 6 жыл бұрын
I live in the San Francisco Bay Area, half way between San Francisco and San Jose. I commute about 46 round trip miles a day to San Francisco. I often lane split for 10 to 12 miles during my commute. I've had that job for over 10 years. I ride every day, rain or shine, summer or winter. I've had a few close calls, but no accidents. If I drove a car to work it would take me an hour and a half, then it might take an additional 20 minutes to find a place to park and walk to work. Contrast that to it taking 40 to 50 minutes and parking 30 feet from the door when I ride.
@LakeOfLitSterno
@LakeOfLitSterno 6 жыл бұрын
Versys 1000 rider in Dallas County here. I try to stay fairly close to the limit, and that often means right lane on the freeway, which is usually running close to that. I take into account the optimistic speedo reading on most vehicles (including my V1K) to estimate true speed. On the freeway I apply the 12 second rule both ahead and behind. A thousand cars can be running 20 over and the police will pick out the lone MC, pull him over and write him for speeding. $$$$! I also note that speeding is a contagious pack behavior and do not want to contribute to it. It is even contagious in wet or otherwise poor conditions where excess speed can be more deadly on a bike. On multi-lane arterial streets traffic often runs 10-15 over and when it is, I keep right there as well. Works for me. I always wear hi-viz. The Versys 1K always has tremendous burst acceleration power on hand to evade being run down from behind... IF you are paying attention to the mirrors. Riding along daydreaming, not so much...
@jeffg2557
@jeffg2557 6 жыл бұрын
Yes ... this is a good idea. By going slightly faster, I don't have to stress as much over what's behind me. I am a Californian who does safe-speed lane splitting, and it really helps, esp. with not having to stop and start repeatedly. Riding is more fluid that way. Also, lane-splitters are less likely to get hit from behind.
@juanantoniorosadobenitez9508
@juanantoniorosadobenitez9508 6 жыл бұрын
I totally agree. Safer driving is more important than getting a speed ticket. Money comes and goes, but you only have one life.
@standalone73
@standalone73 6 жыл бұрын
I completely agree with everything you said in this video. What I usually do is - when on the freeway and have a good bubble around me, I ride with the traffic speed. Very often though, when there is a lot of traffic, I find myself in somebody's blind spot. In this case I would rather go over the posted speed limit, and get out of there, as fast as I can. Lane splitting, oh yes. I totally vote for it to be legal. Here in Idaho is a big no-no, and I don't think the legislator will ever make it legal. I moved here from Europe, where lane splitting is a normal way for the riders to go around the traffic, and it's very frustrating for me that here is illegal, in most states. Finally I want to express my gratitude for the great videos you produce! Thank you!
@bobvandick2546
@bobvandick2546 5 жыл бұрын
Kevin, I totally agree about traveling a little faster than the flow of traffic. It kind of gives me a calming effect by slowing things down and making concentration easier if that makes sense. As far as lane splitting or “filtering”, I’m all for it. Being in stop and go traffic on a motorcycle is torture, especially on hot days. Responsible filtering is definitely safer than sitting in traffic waiting for some idiot on his cellphone to plow into the back of you.
@brunovalentim1982
@brunovalentim1982 6 жыл бұрын
I completely understand and agree, however , unfortunately for those that live in Europe at least, we have a point system drivers license so we can't consider getting a ticket for speeding a "safety tax" cause eventually we are going to lose our license which absolutely sucks.
@denisewildfortune4058
@denisewildfortune4058 6 жыл бұрын
When I'm surrounded by a group of vehicles traveling the same speed and the number of passing events are low I'm content to stay with the pack. But if the drivers are inconsistent leading to many passing events I'll break out for the reason you mentioned. Having fewer drivers coming up behind me allows me to concentrate on what's in front of me. I think this is because I know that drivers don't see me very well in traffic and that I'm better off being in control riding around other drivers rather than relying on them to yield to me. I can see them just fine!
@jefffeudner408
@jefffeudner408 5 жыл бұрын
73 years old. Riding since birth.always ride what ever speed is correct...some times slow sometimes fast often very fast..So California freeways run 80 MPH ..pick a line run out..Screw the ticket..Timing .. Thanks..you have great info..no one gonna pull anyone over..;) yes this bid in traffic. Riding 02 cu inch Sported Sport dyno 114 hp equal torque..can squirt wherever I chose. ;) no lane splits except at lights..
@stevena3446
@stevena3446 5 жыл бұрын
I left California a decade ago, but I was an occasional lane splitter when I lived there. As William Brown said, “Lane splitting done correctly is much safer...”. CORRECTLY! More often than not, my experience was that aggressive, on the verge of road rage, drivers would crowd the lane, open a door, etc. to prevent us from getting ahead of them. It just wasn't worth the stress for me to lane split.
@patrickblackburn4445
@patrickblackburn4445 6 жыл бұрын
I have to admit that I to have practice this riding technique from time to time and feel better about it, knowing that I’m not the only one who saw this as a safe technique to maneuver Around four wheels or more vehicles. Great video keep up the good work.
@bigolerednek2905
@bigolerednek2905 6 жыл бұрын
Go with the flow. A time tested way to drive safely. Been using this rule for years driving cars and trucks. Works well for newbee motorcycle drivers as well.
@ThunderhoseBand
@ThunderhoseBand 6 жыл бұрын
I live and ride in Los Angeles. I usually gauge my speed on how the traffic is moving around me and how I feel at that particular moment. Drivers around here usually drive 70-75 on the freeways (most freeways are posted at 65MPH limit). When on the freeways with light traffic, I get passed by other motorcyclists more than I pass motorcyclists, so I guess I don't have a hard and fast rule about my relative speed. When I am on the freeway I'm usually in the carpool lane and merged into moving traffic and try and adhere to the 2 second rule of following. I do lane split on the freeways when traffic goes below about 40mph. Otherwise, I'm happy to ride at that speed and not split. I like riding my bike and am in no hurry to get home as a lot of commuters are. When I started riding again a few years back after a break from riding in my 20's, I didn't lane split that much, then one day I was on I-10 in 95 degree heat and the sun was baking down on me, all geared up with sweat pouring down my spine, sitting in stopped traffic trapped between what seemed like half of Los Angeles, I decided I'd had enough and slowly inched my way in between the cars at a snails pace. Now, with more splitting miles under my belt, I split only when I feel like it and in the safest manner possible-- it just makes sense when you get the hang of it and do it right in my opinion. The bonus to the cars in traffic is they are one car space closer to their destination.
@stinkerdoodle1737
@stinkerdoodle1737 6 жыл бұрын
I live in Northern Cal and I was pulled over about 20 yrs ago and for lane splitting and was told that you can spit lanes in the fast lane only and can only go 5 mph over the speed of traffic and no faster than 35 mph overall (when I was pulled over I was splitting lanes in the slow lane) and the cops was less than pleasant (he said if he ever saw me again he would pull me over and find something wrong with my bike and give me a ticket) and he was a motor cop. but in general I ride the same way about 5 mph over the speed of traffic and I do spit lanes and am always scanning my mirrors for that one driver that is playing gran turismo on the free way. I have found that most of the time you can ride about 5 to 10 mph over the speed limit and not get in trouble any more than that and you may be looking at a ticket. Nice video keep up the good work.
@dougbongle3192
@dougbongle3192 3 жыл бұрын
Great advice like aIways! I also like riding just a little faster than traffic is going. Better to be a little aggressive than to be trapped were you are not in control with what is happening around.
@billaustin650
@billaustin650 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Kevin, I was going thru Chattanooga, Tn. slightly above the flow of traffic, explained it to officer who stopped me just the way you said. He kept writing while asking me if what would happen if the guy behind me was going slightly faster than my flow of traffic. Cost me $150 fine plus $500 rise in both my motorcycle and auto insurance, just saying. As for lane splitting, heck yeah as a motorcyclist I'm for it if done safely, but my perception of what's safe and yours ( or anyone else) are going to be different. As a auto and a tractor trailer driver I would ask you not to put your safety and other cyclist safety more in my hands. You know that we motorcyclist are already hard enough to see, so letting us surprise a car or truck drivers by being somewhere unexpected, usually suddenly, is an imposition on the rest of the traffic. But this world is all about me, me, me , so let it be the auto drivers problem. I would also add that I was a land surveyor for years, I've laid out highways and roads and I've done site locations at accident scenes and I have yet to see a highway designed for lane splitting. I've also sat on safety boards and I know as far as studies go that given enough time, you can take a pencil and prove anything. Thanks for all you do, keep it going please and may God bless you and keep you and the rest of us safe ( key word )
@josen2088
@josen2088 6 жыл бұрын
I agree 100%. I wish MSF would teach this method in their classes.
@josephcarni7349
@josephcarni7349 6 жыл бұрын
I live in Long Island, NY and the traffic can be very challenging. I try to ride just above the flow of traffic for the same reason to not have to worry so much about the driver behind you. Problem is the faster I ride the faster they guy behind me goes.......As for lane splitting, still not legal in NY but I wouldn't do it anyway. Too many idiots in cars that take it as a challenge when a bike is lane splitting and will do almost anything to try and block the rider.
@major_domo
@major_domo 6 жыл бұрын
I lane split at a safe speed daily and it saves me 30 to 40 minutes off my commute time. A lot of drivers will move to give you room if you give them time to see you coming. You also have to stay on high alert for lane divers, they see an opening and swrive into it. I always slow a little before an opening in the lane to make sure they see me. I also move to the side when bikers want to go faster than I'm willing to go...I'm a big supporter of safe lane splitting!
@hexrays
@hexrays 5 жыл бұрын
I'm in Ca. and I lane split. Never more than 5 or 10 miles an hour above the traffic I am passing, and never above the speed limit. In very slow traffic it's basically a crawl between cars. You must be ready for a drive to make a quick lane change in front of you. Splitting is most beneficial when traffic is stopped at a red light and I can pull up to the front. I also practice the habit of speeding just slightly above the traffic flow to stay safe. I've always done this and have never been pulled over.
@tigerking4858
@tigerking4858 6 жыл бұрын
I agree. I do it all the time. Best to stay ahead of the traffic. I have ridden with someone before who liked to ride among the traffic, which is asking for trouble. Too many blind spots to contend with if you're content to ride among the traffic.
@martinbarabe4643
@martinbarabe4643 6 жыл бұрын
I’m on the road for a living. I go see customers, i often do over 800km in one day driving my car. I always am a bit faster than others by 10-15% my Focus is on the road ahead of me and i don’t have to worry about what is in back. The same is true when I’m riding my M109R. I don’t want to have to worry about what is in back of me unless i stop. I believe your view on lane splitting is great.
@Centexrider
@Centexrider 6 жыл бұрын
I've been riding motorcycles for more than five decades now and 100% agree with everything you said. The exception I apply about exceeding the speed limit by more than a little concerns 18 wheelers. I do not dilly rally and in fact will wait until the vehicle in front of me (if there is one) completely clears the front of the truck before proceeding. For those few brief seconds I often exceed the limit by more than 10-15 mph. BTW, I'm often in the metroplex (usually in a cage) and found your conclusions about aggressiveness between east and west interesting.
@twylabowman3489
@twylabowman3489 6 жыл бұрын
I live in Southern California, and I lane split every day. Safe lane splitting as you described is a wonderful thing. My bike doesn't overheat sitting in traffic and I can get to where I'm going quicker than in a car. I split at a fairly good speed...about 10 MPH over the flow. I have seen or heard of many accidents that were caused from lane splitting too fast. Many have resulted in fatality. If you look far enough down the line, stay within a reasonable speed, expect the unexpected and rap your throttle to avoid it, you'll be fine. I think it should be legal everywhere. It's much safer than getting rear ended in traffic.
@robertmann6890
@robertmann6890 6 жыл бұрын
I lived in the Dallas Fort worth area for several years. I used to drive loop 820 from Saginaw to Grapevine for work. I know exactly what you are saying. I now live in Orlando and frequently drive on I 4. I run into these issues all the time. I don't feel comfortable lane splitting but I do ride at least ride at the speed of traffic. I do feel like I'm looking behind me less at a slightly higher speed. I prefer riding in a group. I do weekly rides with the Orlando H.O.G. chapter. They arc all veteran riders and know the local roads better than I do.They are not shy to point out what you need to improve on which is also making me a better riders. A couple of the road captains are riding instructors. I will be taking the advanced rider course soon.
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