Please let me know in the comments whether soaking dirty or creased cards works for you or should it not be done at all?
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@larryblotter2 ай бұрын
No, it is not wrong to do as you wish with your property. It's also not wrong to submit them to a 'Profesional grader after you soak them.
@jimloiacono61126 ай бұрын
I tried the distilled water soaking method on a 1964 Topps Killebrew- which had a large tan stain on the top of the card. Other than the stain it is beautifully centered with nice corners. I first experimented with a few less expensive common cards to make sure I wouldn't ruin the Killebrew. I was surprised but it worked. After a lengthy drying process, the stain is gone. Did I get lucky? I don't know but I'm happy with the results.
@RippinPacks4you7 ай бұрын
What a genius idea, I would be scared to do it myself..but have thousands of junk wax era cards I could practice on...ty for teaching and Merry Christmas...liked and subbed ❤
@gingerblue22658 ай бұрын
This is a very interesting and informative video. I luv it. I havent come across anything like this on KZfaq before. Thanks for sharing the results and I hope to see other card maintenance vids. Perhaps, doing a topic on best way to protect or display cards..... top loader, card saver, page binder, screw down, one magnet touch, etc?
@Lanatus3 ай бұрын
There are very few “collectors” left. Everyone in the hobby is in it for the money. It’s all about appreciation and investing. You can say I don’t care about the value all you want but deep down inside most keep cards because you believe it will appreciate. It is with this mindset all these “fix” method exist. There is so much money in the hobby you are crazy if you think majority of high value cards have not been fixed up one way or another.
@Nuttyirishman859 күн бұрын
That’s not true, I collect shoheis and they are absolutely not for sale. Everyone else, sure.
@PhysicalMediaOnline7 ай бұрын
Nothing wrong at all with returning a card to it’s former glory. People will call it “alteration”…but it’s not. Would washing your car be a vehicle alteration??? Nope.
@claydontplay87837 ай бұрын
Exactly!
@scottvaughn96 ай бұрын
You’re right. Alteration vs. Restoration. Completely different things. People have varying definitions, though.
@garygordon307515 күн бұрын
@@scottvaughn9 You have to stop comparing vehicles to cards, it's NOT the same you fools.
@scottvaughn915 күн бұрын
@@garygordon3075 I’m not the one who used the vehicle comparison. People have used several different comparisons. I was mainly noticing that a lot of folks conflate 2 very different words. And they should look up the definitions before making such claims.
@wesmasterson36608 ай бұрын
Putting them between two pieces of toolbox liner works well also, it's absorbs the water and leaves nothing behind. I learned that from kurtscardcare. Keep up the good work 👍
@digginginthecards7 ай бұрын
Ive done tbis by accident with a significant card. It got soaked from a spill of lemon water. I had to do the towel and weigh down method. I thought the card was going to be ruined. But to my surprise...it was in great condition after it dried.
@paulmouradjian60457 ай бұрын
If that plank is unfinished, it must have a ruff finish. What is keeping the weight from embedding the card with the ruff edges of the plank. That thin shop towels can't give that much protection especially with a weight on top of that card. I would think you would want to use planks of wood that are sanded down and the wood is smooth.
@claydontplay87837 ай бұрын
Good point, I did switch to finished planks midway through, though I didn’t mention it 😞
@paulmouradjian60457 ай бұрын
@@claydontplay8783 Thank you for the thorough video. No need to be safe excellent job. For any that criticize, when These card Manufacturers give a crap and readjust and sharpen their cutters after every print run and provide excellent quality control, I love every aspect of "cleaning up their sheet!" Before we spend more hard earned money sending it to be graded another SHEEET show con job grift. Well done sir!
@bud333457 ай бұрын
No way i would do this to my Mantle cards. Even the Sandberg rookie here freaks me out. 😂. Cool video 👍
@jamesrayburn44556 ай бұрын
Im curious to see if they would grade them or if they would notice a difference with it being soaked
@TheCheesyGamerАй бұрын
If done right they won't
@kevincloonan97877 ай бұрын
it appears that the soaking adds like an orange peel look on the surface ? or was the card already like that ?
@danhallas35466 ай бұрын
A lot of cards look like that when you look at them thru a jeweler’s loupe. It’s usually difficult seeing them to the naked eye, but this process def seemed to make it more pronounced. I think the lighting and the fact that this process also cleaned the surface of the card is making it more noticeable too.
@Nuttyirishman859 күн бұрын
I’m about to start soaking cards, if people don’t start buying them. Because they’re gonna be thrown on my back porch soon.
@paulmouradjian60457 ай бұрын
Why shop towels? Those shop towels are abrasive. Not good. The only thing scary about this process is the use of those shop towels. Nothing is more absorbent than a 70/30 blend of a Microfiber towel. Also use a waffle weave microfiber towel even better. The moisture will soak up into the indented towel cut.
@gigg2525257 ай бұрын
When you finished the soak. I see an indentation on the topps card near sandberg's bat knob. It wasn't there when you started the soak.
@drewv17477 ай бұрын
I noticed it too. I think the nails in the top board had something to do with that. You can see holes in the shop towel when he lifted the top board.
@theiceman676 ай бұрын
I think you are exactly right. I have to say this... WHAT A DUNCE MOVE!, seriously, who would do something like this, and not think of examining the surface of the slats first. Just mind boggling to me
@thomascourt49357 ай бұрын
I read somewhere that you have not lived until you have soaked a Babe Ruth card. Can you imagine submerging one of his cards in water. I would be a wreck!
@DavidGutierrez-kj8tm7 ай бұрын
How bout creases from a ring in a binder?
@corymcewen5943Ай бұрын
There's better solution that that. I used eyeglass cleaner in a spray bottle - put 1/4 water and just one drop dish cleaning liquid. I've done this quite a few times. I only keep it submerged for 20 minutes. It's amazing what grime will come off a card. Those who say it's altering a card, it's not. Trimming and coloring a card is altering. If I buy a vintage car I'm gonna wet sand it and wash it, repainting a car is altering it.
@claydontplay8783Ай бұрын
@@corymcewen5943 thanks for the tips, though I try to use as few solvents as possible in order to not damage the card
@garygordon307515 күн бұрын
It's definitely altering a card, by soaking it.
@nicksnarski5973Ай бұрын
Ya the orange peel surface would bother me,i didn't see that befire soaking.My guess only a guess is it would get an authentic grade if submitted.
@biggmike_cards8 ай бұрын
First time I've seen this done. Would be interesting to break a slab and see if you can improve a grade
@joefran6195 ай бұрын
Would you know how to remove a very small ink mark on the back of a 1953 topps card?
@Fultoncards7 ай бұрын
Hi. So, just some background. I've been collecting since the 1970s. I do have baseball cards of this era, but I am mostly a hockey card guy (a math-based KZfaq breaker in the community). My honest opinion is this is absolutely brutal. It is clearly a form of alteration, just like taking an eraser to an ink stain or a marker to a white corner. Soaking can alter the surface, density, and consistency of the card. If it is disclosed to a potential buyer, it would tank the value of the card, and affect the grade and authenticity, whereby it should be marked with an "A" for alteration. The entire premise of the hobby - and grading - is condition and legitimacy. Equally, cards change hands and endure wear and tear. Anyone can use advanced technology to rehabilitate a card, its corners, its color, its surface, its edges, etc. Then that card is officially altered, like replacing a car engine or its paint so that it is no longer fully antique. If you soak a card, it is no longer the original card. I personally am dead set against this, least of which because it could trigger or legitimize a whole host of disingenuous ways of cheating in the hobby, absent full disclosure or including before and after photos.
@mickdebates40396 ай бұрын
My car is still "fully antique" after I wash it
@PhuryousOne5 ай бұрын
If I knew a card was soaked, I certainly wouldn't buy it. For the same reasons I wouldn't buy a pressed comic book either.
@Fultoncards4 ай бұрын
@@mickdebates4039 Cards unlike cars are water soluble. This is more like actual restoration, like stripping paint. I'm pretty sure if you had sold an antique car and the new owner later learned it was stored in a full swimming pool, he would be concerned about structural integrity. In the card world, even light removal of pencil let alone a pen has always been understood as alteration necessitating full disclosure, and graders annotate cards as such.
@RoyceDuPont-sz3hy4 ай бұрын
Interesting take. I wonder - are you against wiping a card clean to rid it of fingerprints/dust? Or more against cleaning with chemicals and solvents to remove an actual stain? Repairing corners to lay them back down flat and sharp? All of these are bad? Only the 2nd two examples are bad, and wiping away dust/fingerprints ok? Thanks ahead of time for an honest answer.
@phatmattcowboys22 күн бұрын
In all my Yeats this is the first time I've heard of soaking
@claydontplay878322 күн бұрын
@@phatmattcowboys must be a lot of Yeats
@cardsandcomics7 ай бұрын
The reason soaking gets a bad rap is that some types of cards can be soaked and stretched using pressure. The card can then be trimmed back to normal size
@historybuff14837 ай бұрын
Should be illegal if you’re selling. Should be in jail. That’s scamming.
@shawnpetty38377 ай бұрын
Please tell me where you end up selling these so that I can avoid them. The last thing I want is a soaked card passed off as unaltered for my money.
@GFTCNJ6 ай бұрын
Altered how?
@shawnpetty38376 ай бұрын
Simple water damage. Cardboard is less payable after being soaked. Therefore, the card would be different, i.e. altered.
@GFTCNJ6 ай бұрын
@@shawnpetty3837 By that definition a card becomes "altered" if a corner gets dinged by a penny sleeve.
@shawnpetty38376 ай бұрын
@@GFTCNJ that is damage. If you call those equal then it is water damage and still should be known or called out
@GFTCNJ6 ай бұрын
@@shawnpetty3837 Yes. Always tell buyers when you are selling them nice clean cards. Most will still choose the prettiest one they can afford.
@johngarcia13406 ай бұрын
o-pee-chees were made with a different (thicker) card stock than the regular topps and it's similar to the tiffany stock. Also, you have just contributed some hydration to 40 years of nascent fungus and bacteria. My guess is that with a few months there will be mildew black spots popping up through the white borders to the point they eat through the front of the paper. That water is still trapped in the fibers no matter what you do! Sell it as quick as you can!
@chance-m-holton3 күн бұрын
Worst way to destroy your cards. Can't believe people put their cards in water...it will destroy the cardboard.😮
@claydontplay87833 күн бұрын
@@chance-m-holton I’m sure there are worse ways
@krishdasgupta73137 ай бұрын
On old cardboard it can easily disintegrate some of the fibers and leave bumps on the surface of the card. Unsure this method is useful for anything other than personal collection.
@johngarcia13406 ай бұрын
Exactly! dark mildew bumps!
@Al-ImprovEd20227 ай бұрын
Interesting. Got any ideas for removing ink from a card I ruined as a kid?
@Stompkin7 ай бұрын
Same procedure, just use acetone instead of water.
@smartluck1006 ай бұрын
You should do this with a couple of damaged Mario Mendoza cards
@FoxCoMarine7 ай бұрын
Are you sure the Topps card has tape residue? It looks like the card was last/flipped in a wax pack. Not wax? If so, easy removal.
@claydontplay87837 ай бұрын
It could be, I haven’t tried the pantyhose method, mostly because my wife would have questions😮
@ChinUp4U24 ай бұрын
NO. ... Pick up a NANO Mister* It's a Card and with that said, it has NO GRAIN DIRECTION. ... It's just Mulch, Cellulose, flattened from tree pulp, natural, so when you soak them, they expand, changing their size. A little nano mister with distilled warm water, maybe a pinch of salt will soften the card after a very light cleaning / buffing. Not all card stock is the same. ... Some thicker and more glossier coated then others. ... So if they expand some, you may get them back from a grader on account that they do not fit into the sized slabs used etc.
@ryanglidden20517 ай бұрын
Did you ever submit these cards for grading Scg or Cgc? Liked and just sub’d. Thank you for this video I just stumbled on.
@claydontplay87837 ай бұрын
No, not yet. I used my funds to acquire other cards, but the plan is to eventually submit them
@15DurangoRT18 күн бұрын
So you're altering the card which renders it basically worthless.
@constantsemis65872 ай бұрын
Lighten up. It’s his card. He owns it and he do anything he want to.
@MannySimoneCards8 ай бұрын
Great results
@Dario_Mazzella19757 ай бұрын
Wow never heard of this. Thanks. Im not a cubs fan but love Da Bears
@RELGARAX7 ай бұрын
If You Have Any More Cards You Want To Ruin, I'd Really Like Them. Two Sandberg RCs :(
@wax2thefuture6477 ай бұрын
Panty hose would have taken the wax stain on the Topps
@JC-pu7gi8 ай бұрын
I have a 59 Fleer Ted williams card back wax stain can you give me any advice too remove stain
@michaelreeves91297 ай бұрын
Try rubbing it lightly with a used clothes dryer sheet.
@shaneparks29236 ай бұрын
I've heard panty hose work too.
@SteveTYork7 ай бұрын
Would this work on modern cards that are have glossy finish?
@claydontplay87837 ай бұрын
Depends on what you’re trying to fix, I would think paper are your best bet, not so much for chrome
@SteveTYork7 ай бұрын
@@claydontplay8783 Topps Holiday? I have an SSSP that has a surface scratch like yours Id love to fix
@kevingeary207210 ай бұрын
I soak and clean cards also and was just curious is the residue gum or wax? Do you know? I have used a small amout of Goo Gone to get stuff off and it works well.
@claydontplay878310 ай бұрын
My best guess is that it is adhesive residue. Thanks for the goo gone tip! I’ll try it! Thanks for watching!
@SCVCollectibles6 ай бұрын
You don't need goo gone to remove the adhesive residue. Just take a pair of pantyhose, wrap it around your finger and scrub it. The adhesive will come right off.@@claydontplay8783
@GFTCNJ7 ай бұрын
Absolute mad lad 😂
@TheCheesyGamerАй бұрын
❤I don't see the big deal its just water. Besides people that collect cards these days are morons. If they are willing to pay thousands just because a card is graded a 10. Then they shouldn't care about this.
@historybuff14837 ай бұрын
Altered.
@claydontplay87837 ай бұрын
Cleaned
@historybuff14837 ай бұрын
@@claydontplay8783 doesn’t matter. PSA and SGC can tell when a card has been altered. Flattening it between two boards thins it out. Washing it removes the old card smell and changes the cardboard. Hope you aren’t selling those to people.
@historybuff14837 ай бұрын
@@claydontplay8783 the entire point of grading is to ensure that only the best surviving cards get good grades. When you start altering the originality, it’s no longer authentic. That’s why PSA and SGC give out Authentic grades to cards that look like they were ran over by a lawnmower. Even those cards are now more authentic than yours once you soaked and compressed them.
@doctorpaul34 Жыл бұрын
I cringed when you first did it, but hard to argue with results. Go Cubs Go. Life-long Cub fan here btw. Subscribed too. Found your channel looking for Chrome Platinum break videos. Nice Ryno you got 1/5! I picked up the Banks 2/5 on Ebay
@claydontplay8783 Жыл бұрын
Thanks man! Yeah I was meant to open that box!
@kenrogers19482 ай бұрын
Mmmmm... 'residue' pattern and appearance on the Topps card looks an awful lot like a wax stain which is much simpler to remove with a dry paper towel... those boards were 'rough sawn' and could leave nasty impressions in the cards... I'd say this is an earnest, 'How NOT to' vid...
@PayDay4Youtube7 ай бұрын
Does this work on modern cards to take out dimples or long lined divets ?
@Stompkin7 ай бұрын
Only one way to find out!
@bankonitbilliards3007 ай бұрын
I soaked my michael jordan rookie in my own urine and it completely restored it to orginal packaging 😮
@GFTCNJ6 ай бұрын
Yup. Oldest trick in the book.
@pickzkickz26 күн бұрын
I say it's ruined.
@bigraysballcards7 ай бұрын
Is this the freaking amateur hour! You are altering the card and not in a good way. Honestly asinine. Just look at the surfaces of the cards, they absolutely do not look better as you say, they look just like they have been soaked in water and dried flat. I will take a wild guess and say they grade no higher than a PSA 3 or 4. Please spend the money on theses exact cards and submit to PSA to do a follow up video expressing what a bad idea this is so not to influence others to try this. 🤦🏼♂️
@claydontplay87837 ай бұрын
I appreciate the constructive criticism. The only thing used was water to cleanse them. I’m not using any solvents or chemicals, nor am I trimming them.
@eltoroloco19365 ай бұрын
If that's wax residue, just use nylons like a woman would wear on her legs or a used dryer sheet.
@davidportnoy32374 ай бұрын
As a grader i can promise you that this will not pass the test and get instantly rejected.
@benjaminhahn99924 ай бұрын
Can you tell us why? How would a grader be able to tell it was soaked?
@RoyceDuPont-sz3hy4 ай бұрын
Rejected bc of hurt stock due to the pressing, or rejected bc of the soaking?
@allywilkeforsenate3 ай бұрын
Kurt has submitted to PSA with no issues.
@thisandthat6037 ай бұрын
Oh do you trim as well. Seems a bit shady to me.
@WayWillow7 ай бұрын
Card surface is shot, wavey 😂😂😂
@silverbanks19867 ай бұрын
Wow never heard of it
@TheMisfits77837 ай бұрын
It's like pressing a comic
@ericks67706 ай бұрын
Underwear ruined if I did this to my Mickey Mantle
@jeffguybersen8 ай бұрын
Never heard of this before
@user-xk4qc4ue6u7 ай бұрын
Nice, I'm gonna do this to my Ruth/Mantle dual cut auto.
@estebaneudy25 күн бұрын
Came here for the Mormon jokes. Disappointed 😢
@TangibleAndroid7 ай бұрын
Okay but you've ruined the sheen
@jpizzjpizz16947 ай бұрын
Nice I tryd with my Kobe and MJ refractors and pulled off all the coating damaged them thanks tho was looking for reason to leave hobby so glo
@mvpdad9167 ай бұрын
Amateur hour. I cannot wait until you send these off
@user-hm5zb1qn6g5 ай бұрын
Could have been 3 minutes.
@RobertLee-wi5kc7 ай бұрын
As far as the residue, pantyhose will take off gum stains, otherwise Kurt's card cleaner would take that off. If it was a chap card try acetone will take it off just not sure what else it might affect.
@adamlynch15668 ай бұрын
Bleach works best, 2 parts bleach 1 part distilled water.cleans it rite up
@claydontplay87838 ай бұрын
Thanks for the troll
@RandomEsports17 ай бұрын
@@claydontplay8783
@adamtowle93107 ай бұрын
W0W You need to contact gonewiththestain
@Dizz19787 ай бұрын
Cant even watch what i think is going to be a harmless video about sports cards, without politics being jammed down my throat via a desecration of the American flag. Lose the blue line nazi flag.
@chrisosborne36797 ай бұрын
You're the one that brought politics into it homie. He's got 4 American flags and that triggers you? Our society has gone full retarded. Everything doesn't have to offend you. You're bringing way more attention to it than he ever did. I didn't even notice it until you said something and I went back and looked. So you my friend made the video political. Not the poster.
@historybuff14837 ай бұрын
I didn’t even notice that. Hate that flag.
@chrisosborne36797 ай бұрын
People are so easily triggered....
@historybuff14837 ай бұрын
@@chrisosborne3679 true, people were so easily triggered by blacks standing up for their own rights that they had to start flying pro police flags of all things. I never met a conservative that was pro police until black people started kneeling lmao. Talk about triggered.
@stoneyj1a16 ай бұрын
you collect sports cards and you're a liberal? that goes against your communist handbook.@@historybuff1483
@user-jh8wy4cm3r4 ай бұрын
This needs to be illegal i know when i started collecting in the 80s any repair to your card was just not allowed and to do it in the open like this really scares me that people may think its ok to screw people over