Is Jimmy Anderson OVERRATED at Home & UNDERRATED Overseas?🤷‍♂️| Bumble & Kimber

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In today's episode, Bumble and Kimber discuss Jimmy Anderson's retirement, whether he is the best English bowler of all time, and whether Anderson is replaceable going forward.
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@joshuahemmings148 15 күн бұрын

You have to remember with Anderson that he's had a career of 2 halves. The first half he was quite average, but since 2014, of all the bowlers to have taken 200+ wickets, only Rabada and Ashwin have had better averages (hes taken 360 at 22.66). His average in the last decade in Asia is 23 as well. Elite numbers.

@KevinSheedy10 15 күн бұрын

Exactly, this is what people need to take into account. If he was only picked for test from 2014 people would be talking about him as an all time great. So why penalise him for having played earlier.

@longjohn5322 15 күн бұрын

Pat Cummins? And I’m pretty sure that two halves make a whole. You and I and everyone else can rate his career or status whichever way we like, but I’m not sure that conveniently excluding a huge chunk of it would be a true measurement. In the last 5 years he’s taken more than 11 wickets in a test series just once.

@KevinSheedy10 15 күн бұрын

And Ashwin only ever plays in favourable conditions.

@KevinSheedy10 15 күн бұрын

@@longjohn5322 They do but you are ignoring the point Anderson had a c.10 year consecutive period during which his stats compare to most bowlers that have ever played. Lots of all time greats had careers that were even 10 years long so t is a reasonable to say that Anderson bowled at the level of an all-time for a period which was in some case longer than the entire careers of some of the all time greats. Given his unique career it makes complete sense to divide it up. Your like a person saying Beethoven was better than Mozart because all of Mozart younger work dilutes the quality of his mature music. It's nonsense.

@joshuahemmings148 15 күн бұрын

@@longjohn5322 Cummins has averaged 22.79 so a little over. Of course you need to look at his whole career, but I think it's important to properly contextualise his achievements - his longevity is extraordinary, and his peak has been long and up there with the very best, which I think people don't quite appreciate. He's not just a good seamer, his numbers in his 30s are up there with all the best. I don't think he's as good as McGrath, or Ambrose, or Wasim, but he is nevertheless one of the greatest we've seen. And to take 700 wickets as a seamer is ridiculous. Longevity can't just be put aside as an irrelevance.

@SarcasticAusse 17 күн бұрын

If anyone has to select a world XI team Anderson as a bowler won't even feature in it however yes he's been a good bowler for England

@KevinSheedy10 15 күн бұрын

Where is this game being played? If it's in England he's definitely opening the bowling.

@geosleeds 15 күн бұрын

Doesn't matter where it is, he plays. Rabada, Bumrah and Anderson. If you want a 4th seamer, then Cummins

@Luis_Baruch 14 күн бұрын

Yes, any rugby/soccer fan who hates cricket wouldn’t pick Jimmy in their world XI.

@lomar0058 13 күн бұрын

@@KevinSheedy10😂😂😂😂😂

@bartonez123 12 күн бұрын

@@geosleeds You pick Cummins over Anderson. Also depends on what era World XI you pick, because if you go back last 10 years you start to add guys like Steyn, Morkel, Philander etc. Anderson was hugely important for England, as he often had to drag them along single handedly, but his main strength was longevity and he also comes with some limitations. Basically, for a pure World XI where you have such talent, he ends up mixing the drinks for a team like this.

@duncanmackenzie4076 17 күн бұрын

He averaged over 36 in Australia and South Africa. When there was no swing or seam he had no plan B. In his era Mgrath and Steyn were way ahead.

@laggers54 16 күн бұрын

Yeah but i'll counter that by saying apart from the tour where they won the batters were making like 150/200 runs. Don't care how good a bowler is if the batters are getting skittled for that amount the bowlers aren't doing much. In the series they won in Australia he was the leading wicket taker.

@mayankdewli1010 16 күн бұрын

Ashwin averages 40 in south Africa England aus newzeland. Ashwin Anderson are not in the same league as McGrath warne Akram etc who were effective everywhere

@duncanmackenzie4076 16 күн бұрын

@@laggers54 that tour a major drought broke in the east coast. It was the most English like condtions seen in an Ashes asses series in living memory. It's the only time they have won there since 87, haven't won a test in Oz since. Can't win at home these days either.

@nuvinpooliyadde7319 16 күн бұрын

So is that why he has been playing for 22 years?

@duncanmackenzie4076 15 күн бұрын

@@nuvinpooliyadde7319 you can't deny without swing or favourable pitches he doesn't fair too well. It's what will always set him apart from the very best of the best pace bowlers. Steyn was the best bowler since Mcgrath, those guys could take wickets in all conditions too.

@akamiguelsanchez9985 16 күн бұрын

Jimmy is like Shearer. People refuse to accept how good he is because he's not 'cool'

@andrewwright4195 15 күн бұрын

Facts

@KevinSheedy10 15 күн бұрын

He's totally cool in my eyes. Also a great athletic fielder.

@bencox614 15 күн бұрын

Where can i listen to the full discussion?

@segarmv6871 14 күн бұрын

Jimmy is possibly the best English bowler of all time but he's not in the top 10 fast bowlers of all time. He's not as good as Mcgrath, Ambrose, Holding, Lillee, Marshall, Garner, Wasim, Waqar, Pollock, Steyn, Donald. He's in the next level amongst Akhtar, Walsh, Hadlee.

@ajayvs1 16 күн бұрын

No one is placing Ashwin over Warne or Murali....Anderson in the same sense is not in the top 10

@andrewwright4195 15 күн бұрын

700 wickets legend what a career

@rrao7963 15 күн бұрын

@@andrewwright4195Warne McGrath best bowlers ever to grace cricket

@andrewwright4195 15 күн бұрын

@@rrao7963 talking about Jimmy not talking about anyone else

@danedward4255 15 күн бұрын

@@rrao7963 kumble or mcgill ?

@rrao7963 15 күн бұрын

@@danedward4255 macgill most underrated bowler should have played 2001 in India aus would have won the test series

@desertofthereal4062 12 күн бұрын

If you just look at averages you don’t know cricket, look who he gets out. He has consistently got 1-6 out or been the main threat for 15 years 😂 GOAT

@russhouldin5774 12 күн бұрын

That's wrong. Law of Large numbers. He dismissed as many tails as top order/

@desertofthereal4062 11 күн бұрын

@@russhouldin5774 that’s not even close to being right 😂

@longjohn5322 11 күн бұрын

Well let’s forget the averages and compare his overall numbers to say, Sir Richard Hadlee. Jimmy has played well over double the Tests, an amazing achievement undoubtedly, but he has achieved less 5 fors and 3 ten wicket matches compared to Hadlee’s 9. Jimmy averages 3.7 wickets per Test and never above 4 compared to Hadlee’s 5. IMO Sir Richard achieved the level that should be regarded as great and for all of Jimmy’s brilliance and longevity, he never reached that level. And for anyone screaming, I have chosen Hadlee as a singular example. Don’t get your knickers in a knot if you think there are others, I agree.

@desertofthereal4062 11 күн бұрын

@@longjohn5322 you can’t compare really. Uncovered pitches but no drs, ball changes and rule changes to give a few examples why. Most of these changes have made it harder for bowlers so again comparing numbers is silly. I watch and have watched a lot of cricket for over 20 years, my dad and grandad lived cricket and all agree he’s the goat. Englands best cricketer of all time. Watch us try and replace him 😔

@longjohn5322 10 күн бұрын

@@desertofthereal4062 Uncovered pitches don’t relate to Hadlee. I’m not sure what ball and rule changes you’re referring to, but even making these points is in itself making a comparison. I definitely wouldn’t argue with an Englishman as to Jimmy’s standing within English cricket but other than his average and his total wickets, he is clearly behind a number of cricket’s greatest bowlers.

@satstatchannel 17 күн бұрын

Good fair analysis. On paper Anderson's stats are amazing, but for impactfulness when compared to his competories like Steyn & McGrath, or England greats like Trueman or Botham he doesn't match up. Still a great bowler but greatest of all time - No

@duncanmackenzie4076 15 күн бұрын

He never had an answer without swing or seam movement..we saw that in the last Ashes with a dumbed downed Dukes ball to negate movement and Bazball roads.

@saadmir1950 16 күн бұрын

Such a lovely debate please upload full episodes

@hiteshpuri1 15 күн бұрын

Irrespective of the impact, Anderson's fast bowling was an art form. McGrath may have had more impact, but he wasn't a bowler i would love to watch for hours in a test match. His bowling was extremely boring, hitting the exact line and length for hours. That tested the patience of batsmen, and spectators. Every ball bowled by Anderson was an event in itself.

@Absuk007 15 күн бұрын

Anderson is a great bowler but greatest ever? Unfortunately not....... Mcgrath, Marshall, Akram, Hadlee, Imran, Ambrose, Lilly, Akhtar, Dale, Trueman, Thompson, Walsh, Waqar, Donald etc all will make most peoples first 11 before Jimmy.

@ashwamedhpatole 17 күн бұрын

Jimmy is the best. Jimmy to open Willis on the other end Trueman as the first change Broad as the backup

@CricketEngland 17 күн бұрын

And Botham as your allrounder

@malcolmparfitt 15 күн бұрын

Good luck telling Fred he’s first change!

@gts8919 17 күн бұрын

Anderson is to tests what Afridi is to ODIs. Both became top 5 highest wicket takers through quantity rather than quality.😂

@asb7841 17 күн бұрын

Not entirely correct! Anderson was an incredibly consistent bowler over a long period of time, more like a Tendulkar (Tests) or Kohli (ODIs). Afridi was relevant over a long period of time in white-ball cricket, but is remembered more for his impact. Even Jayasuriya was like that, albeit more consistent & reliable. I feel their bowling equivalents are guys like Shane Bond and possibly Bumrah in a few years!

@iPro3million 16 күн бұрын

Averages 22 in the last 10 years you absolute clown

@barrymcmanmon9595 16 күн бұрын

Tests are the statistics that matter.

@nuvinpooliyadde7319 16 күн бұрын

How in the world can you compare a legend like Anderson to a headless slogger like Afridi? I don’t what’s wrong with you people

@longjohn5322 16 күн бұрын

@@asb7841 Anderson has been very consistent but has never reached the level of Tendulkar or Kohli.

@vantheman1238 5 күн бұрын

John Snow should be in the conversation. Snow between 1968 and 1972 was with Mike Procter the best fast bowler in the world. Snow was instrumental in England winning the series one nil against the West Indies in 1968 (in the Caribbean) and then blew Australia away in 1970/71 in Australia. Snow great bowler and won England series overseas.

@wesleymaistry6278 17 күн бұрын

It's simple logic .. What is the most important series to the English ? It's the Ashes .. Anderson has an extremely poor record in the Ashes therefore cannot be in the same league as Trueman, McGrath, Warne etc .

@asb7841 17 күн бұрын

Extremely poor in the Ashes? Jimmy led the attack very well during the 2010-11 win, the only one of its kind in four decades! He bowled very well in the last 2 Ashes down under as well, only in 2014-15 was he poor, and I'm not even counting 2006-07 as he wasn't the first choice back then and still had technical issues And he's obviously done very well in all the home Ashes, except for the last one in 2023. It's not so easy to win overseas - the Aussies themselves haven't won in England since two decades!

@wesleymaistry6278 17 күн бұрын

@asb7841 he averages 36 in the Ashes ..Amongst the top 50 wicket takers in Ashes history that is the worst bowling average in that list, if you are comparing him to the greatest of all time that ain't good enough to be in the top tier.

@longjohn5322 16 күн бұрын

@@asb7841 Anderson has had 2 decent Ashes series. One at home and one in Australia. Nothing else worth mentioning from an individual perspective. His overall Ashes performances, both in England and Australia, barely warrant a mention compared to many many other bowlers from both countries.

@edhumphrey9031 17 күн бұрын

I think in England we should go for a 80+ bowler who nips it around (Potts) a 85+ bowler to also takes the new ball (Atkinson), and a 90+ for first change (Archer). Then abroad you can replace Potts with tongue or mahmood.

@Playerone1287 17 күн бұрын

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@ethancoster1324 16 күн бұрын

266 wickets overseas and almost 440 wickets in England. Great home tracker, average to good bowler elsewhere.

@mikefriend1514 8 күн бұрын

For Jimmy to still be playing after such a poor Ashes, whilst his mate Broad went out on a high was sad to watch. You could have made a strong case then for saying the wrong man retired. He hasn’t had a 5-fer since July ‘22 and in his last 15 matches took 43 wickets compared to Broads 67. I hope he really rolls back the years and gives us a swan song to remember all his achievements by.

@russhouldin5774 17 күн бұрын

Regarding the discussion about replacements, for all the incessant talk about modern training, nutrition etc why do so many contemporary quicks break down so often? Anderson obviously is the great counterexample. Statham and Trueman bowled longer spells, home and away and hardly ever missed a match. This despite a doctor telling Trueman that he had a congenital spine weakness!

@Stewart-yp7pq 15 күн бұрын

There is a reason he wasn't picked for the sort format. Where other bowlers bowled all 3 formats at international level he only played test, he said it himself.

@russhouldin5774 12 күн бұрын

@@Stewart-yp7pq When Trueman played there was only County and Tests and for a very short period of his career the Gillette Cup. He didnt tour Inda or WI again because he was too much of an outspoken Northern "lout".

@rje1302 5 күн бұрын

Interesting how Denis Lillee got named dropped as an all time great.. Played 65 of his 70 Tests in Aus, Eng or NZ. 3 wickets @ 101 in Pakistan Played 1 Test in the West Indies and got 0-132. Never played a Test in India. Would be interested to see his stats if he had played a lot more around the world.

@akashpandya6718 15 күн бұрын

Two of my greatest cricketers are Warne and Bradman and I do think Bumrah needs a shoutout, he has second better test average better then fab four from West Indies or any great Australian bowlers

@thegoochinc5359 15 күн бұрын

Less than 4 wickets per test all the true greats average at least 4 and average 25 or less (Ambrose, McGrath, Warne, Steyn, Wasim, Marshall, Donald, Cummins etc). His "improvement" in Asia has simply been bowling 10 overs getting 1/20 and then the spinners taking over and then maybe bowling at the tail. Very skilled and smart but if the ball doesn't swing he becomes pedestrian.

@KevinSheedy10 15 күн бұрын

You are making the mistake of looking at the stats for his entire career rather than just the c. 10 year period when he was great.

@thegoochinc5359 15 күн бұрын

@@KevinSheedy10 No it applies to all players, they have periods at the start and at the end of their careers where they aren't as affective as in their prime. McGrath for example averaged 30 with the ball over his first 30 tests. Warne post finger and shoulder surgery averaged 30 from 1999 -2003 and it was only after his suspension did he start playing great again.

@KevinSheedy10 15 күн бұрын

@@thegoochinc5359Jimmy performed at an all-time great level for an equal period as all of the other greats. I don't understand what it is you're not getting about this argument. For example, if a footballer was very average until the age of 25 but was then world class for 15 years until the age of 40 why would you judge him to be less of a great player than a football who was world class for his entire career but who retired after 15 years? To really compare with Anderson we should make all of those other greats bowl late into their thirties and see how their stats stack up after that. I'm guessing not great. Would Ponting somehow have been a better player if he had retired early with an average of 60 before his powers started to wane and it slipped down closer to 50?

@thegoochinc5359 15 күн бұрын

@@KevinSheedy10 He averaged mid 30's in both SA and Aus, He is called Clouderson for a reason a home track bully who was carried in his last 4 years by only playing in optimal conditions or by bowling 10 overs in India then not returning until the tail. McGrath was a star until he retired (at 37) winning player of the tournament at the 2007 World Cup. If you play after your powers have declined so will your reputation.

@KevinSheedy10 15 күн бұрын

@@thegoochinc5359 Nah.

@thornwivans 16 күн бұрын

Quick?......medium pace non threatening is why Aussies dont rate Jimmy. Good swing bowler in UK sure...but most Australians dont know why England dont pick quicker bowlers esp when England Tours Australia

@gr328 17 күн бұрын

I'm with Big Bob!

@Itriedtobe-wq9lj 11 күн бұрын

I think of him as the ''Ironman'' of cricket. Has a body made of iron and so is his body. Not the most talented but his endurance stands out.

@stephenlawlor3035 16 күн бұрын

Broad was a better all round bowler. 1. Larwood (greatest action) 2. Bedser 3. Trueman

@Boxing4K 10 күн бұрын

I'm Australian and I would say both Anderson and Peterson were, imo two that I really rated. Fierce competitors, sometimes a bit controversial, but Always gave 100%.

@carlhughes6459 8 күн бұрын

Lloyd talking about our great fast bowlers of his lifetime and no mention of john snow, from 67-72 the best in the world, willis couldn’t even keep a regular place in the England team then

@asb7841 17 күн бұрын

Anderson (and even Broad's) achievements of sheer consistency and longevity have been monumental for English cricket, as there have been literally countless talented county pacers over many decades, who only played for a few years internationally and then faded away quickly. Even the likes of Harmison, Hoggard, Gough & Caddick barely lasted a decade. And don't even get started on the spinners! There is literally no major fast-bowling skill-set or achievement that Jimmy hasn't ticked over the course of his phenomenal career. Many comments here are regarding his lack of impact or perhaps even pace. Sorry, but you need to do more research, as there are genuine arguments that he ticked these too at some point over his career.

@gts8919 16 күн бұрын

Anderson and Broad hold the record for most runs conceded in a test over. Clown bowlers 🤡

@longjohn5322 16 күн бұрын

There definitely are metrics that Jimmy has never reached that the truly great bowlers have. He hasn’t ever reached the standard of a guy like Pat Cummins already has.

@akashpandya6718 15 күн бұрын

I do want to know something. Australian genes is same as English, how come they can produce Brett Lee and England have Curran

@lomar0058 17 күн бұрын

I dont think people realise just how good Marshall, Curtly, McGrath and Wasim were, there's literally no way you can put Anderson in the same class as those guys

@jamesburke2094 16 күн бұрын

Absolutely. No question Their generation are miles better. As boycott said accuracy is essential, anderson improved but nowhere near the levels of pollock and those others

@longjohn5322 16 күн бұрын

I don’t think you realise how many people do remember how good so many of the bowlers of the past were.

@Absuk007 15 күн бұрын

100% agreed

@KevinSheedy10 15 күн бұрын

Last 10 years he has bowled as well as anyone that I have seen.

@longjohn5322 15 күн бұрын

@@KevinSheedy10 He’s taken more than 11 wickets in a test series once since the end of 2018.

@chriswatson7965 17 күн бұрын

Going through the official ICC historical ratings I would rank the top 5 post war English pace bowlers in Test cricket as the following (with their peak rating): 1 - Fred Trueman (898) 307 wickets at 21.6 2 - James Anderson (903) 700 wickets at 26.5 3 - Stuart Broad (880) 604 wickets at 27.7 4 - John Snow (835) 202 wickets at 26.7 5 - Alec Bedser (903) 236 wickets at 24.9

@russhouldin5774 17 күн бұрын

What about Statham and Bob Willis? Both have better test averages. Wiilis is about the same in County, Statham much better. Larwood had a similar test average and a lower County. ICC ratings have the same drawback as any index-based method: the choice of variable, the assignment of values to qualitative variables and the weightings are all arbitrary. Averages dont lie.

@chriswatson7965 17 күн бұрын

@@russhouldin5774 Test averages are just a ratings method as well, a more simplistic one. But if we use averages then it is fair to only use that period when Anderson was bowling well as the start of his career was poor. From the start of 2014 til now Anderson has taken 360 wickets at 22.7. Willis in his career took 325 wickets at 25.2. Statham 252 wickets at 24.8. Larwood was pre war, so I had excluded him. I only considered performance at Test level as commitment to the county scene is largely impossible for the modern player whose figures would largely be based on times played when excluded from international cricket (eg too young, injured, resting) If I exclude the last year from Anderson his average drops to 21.4 from 345 wickets.

@jamescoupland131 17 күн бұрын

Our fred was a class act

@geoffbutler2893 13 күн бұрын

mcgrath is way ahead and pollock and quite few others

@TimSempreForzaToroFVCG 15 күн бұрын

Best English fast bowler ever But Curtly Ambrose Malcolm Marshall Joel Garner and Dale Steyn all better

@saadmir1950 16 күн бұрын

The point about Steyn and Anderson being different bowlers is so true. You just can't compare 2 bowlers with different roles, skillset etc

@AmanKumar-de1kc 8 күн бұрын

They might have different skillsets but they're both opening strike bowlers

@RalphBrooker-gn9iv 14 күн бұрын

If you find yourselves losing followers in their droves, just think back to the title of this video.

@priyanshuhazra8644 15 күн бұрын

A typical English bully, that's what he is...the best bowler in English conditions, but not even worth mentioning in the same sentence as McGrath and Steyn away from home

@jehanariyaratnam2874 17 күн бұрын

Yes

@rogerparker4468 16 күн бұрын

Those who say Anderdon is England's greatest bowler have a total disregard for the history of cricket. Like saying Tendulkar is the greatest batter. An accumulator, great but not the greatest, not close

@gts8919 16 күн бұрын

Tendulkar batting average is elite 53+. Anderson has the same bowling average as Tim Southee.

@fcfcfcfc7813 16 күн бұрын

@@gts8919 Anderson’s post 2009 average is 22, that’s less than Steyn.

@gts8919 16 күн бұрын

@@fcfcfcfc7813 Because Gilchrist, Hayden, Lara, Yousuf, Langer, etc. were no longer around to kick his ass. Tendulkar, Ponting, Kallis retired a couple of years later.

@KevinSheedy10 15 күн бұрын

@@gts8919 No, he just got much much better. He has troubled all of the top batsmen in the world.

@TB-su4bz 13 күн бұрын

Tendulkar is definitely considered as if not the greatest but one of the greatest. His average after that many games was insane

@bashab3098 Күн бұрын

Anderson would have had a 100 wickets more had they not messed with his action when he had a few tests . He lost 20 or more tests .

@motelghost477 9 сағат бұрын

No bowler from any country in history will ever be ahead of SF Barnes. James Anderson is the 2nd best English bowler of all time.

@thomasrowe6793 8 күн бұрын

Truman had a much lower average and was faster, he is the best English bowler with Jimmy a very close no2.

@SpecificDietPlans 16 күн бұрын

He is the Ravi Ashwin of England . Takes 5for at will in home condtions , but becomes at part timer outside who takes couple of wickets here and there.

@longjohn5322 16 күн бұрын

He has never taken 5fers at will anywhere.

@SpecificDietPlans 16 күн бұрын

@@longjohn5322 24 5fors at home magically happened on flat tracks?

@akashpandya6718 15 күн бұрын

Better then Ashwin for sure

@VARMOT123 17 күн бұрын

He is not overrated . He is top 5 in history. Just steyn,marshall, Wasim and McGrath are little bit better and more rounded

@gts8919 17 күн бұрын

Anderson better than Ambrose, Walsh, Donald, Hadlee, Waqar, Pollock, Imran, Lillee? Not a chance. Even Mitchell Johnson and Flintoff have higher peak levels (Ashes 05 and 2013).

@fcfcfcfc7813 16 күн бұрын

@@gts8919shut up hahahaha.

@longjohn5322 16 күн бұрын

What is your reasoning for him being top 5? You’ve mentioned 4 guys who you think are better than him, is he better than Warne? Is he better than Lillee or Hadlee or Ambrose or Waqar or Imran or Holding? He’s not even as good as Pat Cummins, who’s stock may still be on the rise.

@AndyZielinski 11 күн бұрын

Lets sherlock holmes, take out the impossibles, so the 2 impossibles; number 1 hes the greatest seamer of all time and number 2 hes the least skilled seamer of all time. So theyre the impossibles so im afraid anyone if either opinion is not nuanced enough to give debate on this. As for clouderson advocates, you all have a point to an extent but any there are amazing series in there, and very few statistsclly very poor ones, just not cutting edge enough. The basic skills of his bowling were immense, but youre right he could occasionally struggle with no help. He got better for a very long time however, snd reached the stage that many opposition players would sit in him and try to score at other rnd, which i think shows what esteem he was held in by opponents, an important cog i feel in a debate about his class, anyway i just urge people to look at the minutiae of peoples careers rather than overarching numbers. Essay over!!

@kavinshah6768 16 күн бұрын

Jimmy Anderson is overrated everywhere!!!, man who needs clouds

@JY-ev5ms Күн бұрын

Cringe comment

@annoyingbstard9407 15 күн бұрын

Taking sandpaper out of the equation he was the best.

@nathanbrooks88 Күн бұрын

If Anderson is the GOAT of England bowling then England haven't had a great line of fast bowlers.

@larrygerry985 17 күн бұрын

Jimmy is a great English bowler but a good international bowler

@TomA-vl8ce 17 күн бұрын

He has 700 wickets brother

@larrygerry985 17 күн бұрын

@@TomA-vl8cein the context of playing for England. He is not sub 23 average

@DNW28 17 күн бұрын

I'm pretty sure England play international cricket and I'm also pretty sure Jimmy Anderson has 700 International test wickets , the highest from a seamer , that makes him a great international bowler .

@dluap569161 17 күн бұрын

Exactly. As everyone knows, yes, he has 700 wickets and that is an amazing achievement. But the question was is he the BEST English bowler EVER. These days England play lots of tests, sometimes against very ordinary teams. Players like Sid Barnes, Fred Trueman etc. never had the opportunity to play so many games and definitely didn't play against teams like Zimbabwe, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka like Anderson did. They played most of their cricket against Australia, India, South Africa etc. Larwood played against Bradman at his peak at still averaged 28. If a bowler with an average of 35.97 against Australia after 39 matches and 30.07 against SA from 29 games is the best English bowler ever then I know nothing about cricket.

@ahmetosas8562 17 күн бұрын

You may be right, but South Africa and India were certainly not good (compared to where they are today) back then. They were the minnows of yesteryear, so saying that they only played against those countries doesn’t mean that Trueman et al didn’t play against minnows. I do understand what you mean, but I think choosing one England seamer as the best would be quite hard, as they have such a long history of playing cricket (different conditions etc)

@geoffbanton4049 3 күн бұрын

Overrated?? He’s the best pace England has ever had and you can take that to the bank!

@ethancoster1324 16 күн бұрын

Great bowler, but McGrath is superior imo .

@toonarmy8524 12 күн бұрын

Most wickets by a pace bowler of any country. that says enough itself.

@MICOflix 16 күн бұрын

Yeah but India also have bumrah,also ash and jadeja are all rounders

@mayankdewli1010 17 күн бұрын

Anderson is like ashwin. Great in favourable conditions and ordinary otherwise. Although i must say hes better than ashwin because he has taken wkts in india and Australia as well. Ashwin is ineffective in India as well when they make decent pitchee

@gts8919 17 күн бұрын

Anderson is to tests what Afridi is to ODIs. Both became top 5 highest wicket takers through quantity rather than quality.😂

@mayankdewli1010 16 күн бұрын

@@gts8919same for Ashwin. He became a great by doctoring pitches

@mayankdewli1010 16 күн бұрын

Same for Ashwin. Became a great because of raging turners @@gts8919

@riteshmishra5008 8 күн бұрын

He is basically rashwin

@ASHISHMISHRA-qd5sz 10 күн бұрын

Best are you kidding He has abysmal record in india and in australia two top nations 0 fifer in india and after playing gazillion tests in australia 1 fifer Not even in top 10

@gts8919 17 күн бұрын

Jimmy Anderson is overrated. Full stop 😂

@andrewwright4195 15 күн бұрын

I would say your dumb fintoff was only 1 overrated Jimmy been going for 20 years great as he got older

@gts8919 15 күн бұрын

@@andrewwright4195 Oh hi destroyer

@cpol1146 13 күн бұрын

Anderson is an overrated bowler. He is a very good bowler but does not comes in the category of greats. Had Murali, Warne, Kumble, Steyn, McGrath, Ambrose, Ashwin, Marshall etc played as many as test Anderson played even they would have might might gone 800 or 900+ test wickets..

@JY-ev5ms Күн бұрын

Yeah but they didn't, stupid argument.

@dluap569161 17 күн бұрын

Best ever? He has obviously had a long and successful career. However, leaving aside recency bias, people seem to confuse longevity with other qualities. His average and strike rate aren't as good as many other bowlers. It's impossible to compare eras, but is he really a better bowler than Trueman, Tyson, Larwood et al? I won't mention superior non-English bowlers. It's easy to Google them.

@jimb9063 17 күн бұрын

It depends on what you emphasise as most important. The overall longevity and total wickets, or whether you prioritise impact in a one off game which might not be in favourable conditions. As you say, comparing players from different eras is guesswork, it boils down to who's your favourite.

@dluap569161 17 күн бұрын

@@jimb9063 Most cricketers emphasise average and strike rate across all conditions, which is why bowlers like Malcolm Marshall, Curtley Ambrose, and Wasim Akram are considered among the very best.

@gts8919 17 күн бұрын

Give me Darren Gough and Andrew Caddick over James Anderson 😂

@khantk2732 16 күн бұрын

While there is merit in your argument, Larwood's average as well as strike rate were significantly worse than those of Anderson's.

@dluap569161 16 күн бұрын

@@khantk2732 Larwood's average is 28.35, Anderson's 26.5 which are fairly comparable, especially when Larwood bowled in four Ashes series against Bradman in his prime .

@Foralltosee1623 9 күн бұрын

I would take Lord Ian Terence Botham over Anderson every day of the week.

@alexbridge6233 9 күн бұрын

sam curran???

@fcfcfcfc7813 16 күн бұрын

Nice to see south Asian cricket fans are still massive Anderson fans 🤥

@stevelee4952 13 күн бұрын

@raheelakhtar7 11 күн бұрын

Truman and Willis > Jimmy

@DrDothraki 15 күн бұрын

Proper title Is Jimmy Anderson a legend at home but mediocre away.

@JY-ev5ms Күн бұрын

Average Indian myth

@user-lg5df8br7d 6 күн бұрын

Anderson can only bowl in lords with his old white fans.

@thomridgeway1438 12 күн бұрын

No he is overated at home and overated over seas

@mervynriley3531 14 күн бұрын

700 Test wickets! Jimmy is the greatest fast bowler ever! All the rest are part timers compared with him. The others are good, but he is by far the greatest.

@TB-su4bz 13 күн бұрын

He's the greatest for longevity in the game maybe. Not the greatest. If you look at the average for the others and the time it took to accumulate their wickets he's not up there

@mervynriley3531 13 күн бұрын

Which of them has got 700 wickets as a fast bowler?None anywhere near him!@@TB-su4bz

@lomar0058 13 күн бұрын

@@mervynriley3531which of them has played the same amount of test cricket as Anderson

@mervynriley3531 13 күн бұрын

Yes you've put your finger on it! The greatest and the fittest of them all!Super Jimmy!@@lomar0058

@stephenunderwood7011 12 күн бұрын

Finally someone on here with a modicum of common sense

@jeevankikahaniya6339 11 күн бұрын

Mediocre at best

@JY-ev5ms Күн бұрын

Average Indian cricket knowledge

@jeevankikahaniya6339 Күн бұрын

@@JY-ev5ms average 35 in Australia and 31 in india medicore

@JY-ev5ms Күн бұрын

@@jeevankikahaniya6339 Shane Warner averaged 41 in India, is he mediocre?

@jeevankikahaniya6339 Күн бұрын

@@JY-ev5ms Indian are better player of spin not pace bowling McGrath 21 Dale Steyn 21 Allan Donald 16 in india

@JY-ev5ms Күн бұрын

@@jeevankikahaniya6339 Dale Steyn average in England 31

@SurenderKumar-zw3zo 15 күн бұрын

He’s overrated everywhere. Should have gone at least 10 years ago. He and Broad are the reason that England is a mediocre test team at best.

@JY-ev5ms Күн бұрын

Weirdo

@SurenderKumar-zw3zo Күн бұрын

@@JY-ev5ms weirdo or not the fact is nobody plays a dibbly dobbler for donkey years. Remember the reverse lap of Rishab Pant, that should tell you how much he’s overrated.

@JY-ev5ms Күн бұрын

@@SurenderKumar-zw3zo You don't get 700 test wickets being a dobbler.

@SurenderKumar-zw3zo Күн бұрын

@@JY-ev5ms sorry to hurt your sentiments. Did he ever win you a match even in England on a dark and cloudy day. He’s not a Botham or a Geoff Arnold or a Chris old or a John Snow. Cmon yaar you love him but 700 wickets doesn’t mean a thing. Even If I played I too would have got a few wickets because the batsmen would have got bored and gifted their wickets. I understand, don’t take it personally but his impact quotient is next to nothing. As an English man send him off graciously but don’t make him a Botham.

@destroythestumps35official72 16 күн бұрын

Great bowler? Yes. Greatest fast bowler ever? No. The likes of Hadlee, McGrath, Marshall, Steyn, and a few others are better than Anderson. I would rank him in the top 20 fast bowlers of all-time.