No. They are equally deadly and difficult to master.

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Doesn’t seem to be a clear cut winner. They appear to be about the same. It’s almost like comparing Judo to Jujitsu. There’s not much difference.

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It is strange to me that you think that that the kendo criteria for a valid strike (yuko datotsu) do not constitute a killing (or at least finishing) blow. If anything I would think the kendoka disadvantaged by the habit of ignoring indecisive attacks.

The point is the killing blow. Like the other friend said the weakness of the kendo "teaching style" would be theoratically that it ignores non decisive wounding hits and is focused on just the blows that will end the fight.

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I would very much like you to link me to a school of kenjutsu that regularly spars, because I haven't found any.

both are kendoka👍

@@weaponism my apologies, perhaps instead of different schools, a sash representing each different *style* on display, even if they are from the same school. Edit: and I know you are relying on translating tools and a media team. Sash is not the same thing as belt, in martial arts context. It’s [sash] is an ornament that does not say anything about a fighter’s skill. Just a way to tell fighters apart (difference).

The taller dark blue Kendoka use Kendo, shorter black Kendoka use Kenjutsu. A red & blue armband can work too. I dont know maybe its uploader's subtle way to test viewer's ability to see which one is which?

Your idea is a tested and proven method, most martial arts do that. For the moment you can try to identify them by looking at the back of their heads. One is white while the other is red.

@@leokim1458 Thank you, that is exactly why I suggested it. Weapon MMA has no real standards yet, but red vs blue is a good, and proven standard, that will carry through to what @Weaponism is doing with their work.

I thought it looked a bit choreographed. One makes a cut, doesn't withdraw right away, etc.

They both train kendo. Kendo teaches 100% commitment in your strikes.

Except that's what would happen in a real fight? What's the point of scoring a killing blow if you yourself will die afterwards to the Nachschlag? The opponent won't magically stop their attack and it won't disappear into the ether. This is one of the major problems in modern weapon arts.

@@kodain Lmao. Since no one runs around with a katana trying to kill you, I think following the rules of the sport is good. And kendo isn't a 'modern martial art' it's been around since the 1919s if not even before then. I'm just dating it back when it apparently became an actual sport. And sportsmanship is something a lot of Americans lack. I've been doing kendo for two years now and I've seen more Americans try to go for the revenge strike so many times it's hard to keep track. This is a sport. Respect it and its rules. Also the traditions behind it. If you wanna play 'real combat' then do it in your head. Whenever I see someone go for the revenge strike it kinda pisses me off cause they know the rules, and it's clear they're just being a poor sport.

@@SuukiDonna Kendo is a watered down simulation of someone attacking you with a sword, trying to kill you. Anything 20th century is gendai: It's a modern combat sport. Yes, those are the rules for kendo, but they're not doing pure kendo here. As for history and tradition, kendo stems from gekiken, which in turn was a safer way to spar but still maintaining more elements of kenjutsu. Gekiken lastly then stems from kenjutsu, and in kenjutsu you will have to watch for an afterblow. If you want to practise a sport, go for it, but if you want to actually practise combat arts, then not including an afterblow is dumb.

@@kodain kendo is about the point system. One tap not room enough for an after blow. since that tap means you lost the round. So its not stupid for there not to be a after blow. Kendo is about skill and precision, so that you can perfect your attacks not for you to brawl without style. If it had an after blow like you think it should, no one would give a fuck about trying to avoid an attack which would defeat the whole purpose of blocking, evading, or deflecting and countering. Kendo is good as it is. Since once again it is a sport. If you want to practice an art where you must go for the vitals of a human, then go for kenjutsu. The objective of Kenjutsu is to learn how to kill or harm an opponent using a sword, whereas Kendo is used more for personal development and discipline. As you can clearly see the difference between the two. I'm taking kenjutsu next but I need the discipline first before I try it.

@@SuukiDonna "brawl without style." Any real fight will be messy. This isn't the movies. It's a very Japanese thing to do things with elegance, but for combat that goes out the window immediately. Again, if that's how kendo wants to do it, go ahead. This video wasn't pure kendo, however. I fail to see why you would ignore defence if an afterblow was a possibility. If anything, it's what will get you to cover yourself after a strike. HEMA does this all the time, and it works splendidly. That being said, fighting without armour has been described as suicide by several masters throughout the years, because aiuchi is very common. In HEMA, which also uses a point system, aiuchi doesn't count, and for any hit to count, you need to protect yourself from the afterblow. There is zero meaning in you getting in a hit if they kill you the second after. If you want to try kenjutsu, just go with kenjutsu. There's no need for you to do kendo first. Discipline will come with any art.

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Yes if you grip it RIGHT, then you know it might be coming from hands but is it coming from WRISTS? I hope not forearms.

Neither of these kendoka has practiced kenjutsu. See the subtitle at 0:27.

If a Kendoka had to fight a real fight he wouldn't use sports rules. it would be more like this video.

Yah! Toh! Did I miss other words?

I think their calling Kendo "weak" is more of a translation issue than anything else. In Korean, from what I can see (I don't speak Korean, so take it with a grain of salt), strong and weak are synonymous with good and bad, respectively. And the context they're trying to put it in is combative ability, near as I can tell.

Kendo isn't in the Olympics.

@@Ianmar1 it should be tho, i'd love to see it in the olympics

@@Nuru3754 The community is very split on this. I don't think that any martial arts sport has been happy with the changes made to join the Olympics. -Judo had leg grabs and ground grappling removed to distinguish it from wrestling, and a time limit introduced for better television. -TKD had punches removed to distinguish it from boxing. -Karate had knock outs removed, the recent gold medalist won by being knocked out. Kendo has many asthetic scoring criteria related to edge alignment, strength of the strike, and awareness of the opponent which would need to be codified for Olympic style rule legislation.

@@Ianmar1 ohh i actually didn't think about those things...

both are kendoka.

In kendo double kills are thrown out, and the point system favors attack over defense so there are no real consequences to getting hit unless that hit is unanswered. Kali looks very effective, although I have never understood why your sparring looks so different from your flow exercises. Could you explain it?

@@Ianmar1 Flow drills are like kata/forms and energy drills (similar to chi sao in Wing Chun). It's a tool box builder to help build coordination and timing. Sparring is different from school to school. When I was Inosanto Lacoste and Doce Pares in the USA, armor was worn. DBMA in NYC and when it was offered in the Atlantic City area (NJ) sparring was unarmored save headgear and gloves. Throwing, ground grappling, knees and elbows were permitted. It is sparring so measures of safety are taken. I currently live in Japan and I train with the Pekiti Tirsia group in Tokyo and Yokohama. Sparring is unarmored but done is degrees building up from each other and limiting things to build a specific skill set. This is based on my experiences. I hope this helps.

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I agree, they did a nice job cutting as opposed to hitting.

This is incorrect. Kendo is mostly defence (im new to kendo, but I get trained by few of the best kendokas in my country). There are parries and beats and other type of blocks and evasion, but the sport kendo is extremely fast pace and its hard to pick up on.

@@fryderykchopin3974 I'm sorry but no my claim that kendo doesn't have defence might've been a little bit overboard but it's nowhere close to what you're saying first of all being new to kendo can mean you started training anywhere from a week to a year ago but i'm going to assume that you are training in a bogu so you're a few months in at minimum now just because kirikaeshi has blocks doesn't mean they are used in combat blocking is obviously good for exercising but when it comes to fighting it just doesn't exist I am no kendo master yet but my club has best kendokas in my country and well good luck seeing them block an attack while they're fighting the fact that you technically can block and you won't be disqualified for it doesn't mean you should let alone that kendo is "all about defense" in my club we're simply not taught to block because blocking leaves you very open especially your kote and even if you manage to block one attack a competent opponent will simply attack you a second time this time hitting you on your kote or do or he will faint an attack and go for men anyways as soon as you'll try to come back to kamae what i've been told by my sensei is that there is no defence in kendo everything you're doing is aggressive now there is parrying but it's not anything essential like you're saying and i really do not want to be rude but what you're saying sounds like you're training a completely different sport

@@thenine895 I mean, I really bepends on the school right. My dojo does do alot of blocking and parrying. that is the way I am being thought. The way my dojo does it seems to work seeing my teacher has won a medal in the recent eu championship. Edit: I take no offence btw. I love learning different perspectives.

But they are both kendoka in this match.

@@Ianmar1 but one is using kenjutsu instead of kendo also my point does not only apply to this specific situation

we only used kendo kata! not koryu

Neither of these kendoka has practiced kenjutsu. See the subtitle at 0:27.

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Oye, una cosa, yo también soy de colombia, y quisiera practicar algo, estoy entre el Kendo y el kenjutsu pero las dos de ven muy bien, ¿Tu porque empezaste a practicar Kendo y como te a ido?

@@larrycapija2844 práctico Kendo y karate Kyokushin Kai, la mayor diferencia entre Kendo y kenjutsu sería que el Kendo es más "deportivo" ya que no es válido cortar al hombro o a las piernas, en cambio en el kenjutsu es más completo Algo similar a Taekwondo deportivo o MMA en uno no verás derribos, llaves o sumisión Ya depende de la escuela que encuentres en tu región, Ahora, tampoco es tan difícil el entrenar Kendo en un dojo y luego hacer kenjutsu por tu cuenta

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@@Jkayami Osu ! Hermano de kyokushin 💪👍🙇 y gracias por la información

@@larrycapija2844 En que ciudad te encuentras? si deseas empezar kendo en colombia podria ayudar a vincularte con un dojo. Cualquier cosa me avisas, un saludo!

Ihr sagt, die gute Sache sei es, die sogar den Krieg heilige? Ich sage euch: der gute Krieg ist es, der jede Sache heiligt.

Find a dojo that has both, or find two dojo with each. Most legitimate koryu only take on high ranked kendoka and iaidoka as students so cross training should not be a problem for either discipline. The dojo where I train kendo only accepts koryu students at 2dan iaido since the focus of the dojo leaders is koryu iaido (iaijutsu); I don't train iaido, so I don't train koryu but the community is very wholesome. Finding a legitimate koryu dojo near you may be difficult depending on where you live, however there is plenty of kenjutsu embedded in kendo and iaido kata if you are willing to study those deeply.

See the subtitle at 0:27, they are both using the kenjutsu encoded in kendo kata, neither have any other kenjutsu experience. Thus your estimation is right: heavily influenced by Itto Ryu, but not Itto Ryu.

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Well atleast you won in a real fight if both sides is chopped down realistically

These guys are amateur at best as a 2 time judo competitor n a 15 year sword master these guys I assume r just in hs filming out there sensi karate dojo so don't be to mean least they put in effort to document these fights regaurdless of skill a trained swords man can appreciate a weapon duel

In this video both train kendo. I don't know if they were keeping score.

This is a kendo channel, the people who run it are kendoka, their guests are from other styles. With that said, every koryu kenjutsu will strongly discourage you from attempting to study without a sensei. Go find a dojo in your area with an atmosphere that you like, and ask on koryu forums if it looks legitimate.

@@Ianmar1 i am kendoka my self and i have been doing kendo for 15 years, and i am intresting in practicing kenjutsu. In Russia i think i hardly manage to find a koryu kenjutsu dojo

@@user-ke6xs5kl3d I take it that you have exhausted kendo kata, do you also train iaido?

@@Ianmar1 i trainded iaido several years ago, but i stopped because i wanted to feel impact of strikes and have keiko with opponent

@@user-ke6xs5kl3d You are not going to find many kenjutsu styles that will offer you that. I suppose that you will want one which either does kata with a fukuro shinai, or gekken. Those are not very common.

This is a kendo channel, but they attract a lot of keybord swordsmen. They get a lot of comments along the lines of kendo=sport, kenjutsu=combat. Some of their videos on their main channel investigate criticisms like: that technique wont cut, and you couldn't move that fast with a real katana. Kendo contains within it a kenjutsu curriculum as well as the better known sporting component. This kenjutsu curriculum is considered by most legitimate kenjutsu masters to be comprehensive, although limited in context, and (intentionally) shallow with respect to kuden (oral tradition). I believe the purpose was to show that kendoka study kenjutsu in the same way the koryu do (kata) although perhaps not as deeply, that they know the kamae and waza inherited from itto-ryū.

@@Ianmar1 Wow. Thank you so much, that definitely helped!

there is no kenjutsu guy. both are kendoka

The taller dark blue use Kendo, the shorter black use Kenjutsu.

@@angryzombie8088 See Weaponism's reply above.

They are both kendoka

Kendo is a sport and Kenjutsu is an actual sword fighting style used by the Samurai. Kendo techniques will get you killed in an actual sword fight.

They are both kendoka using the techniques from kendo kata. There is no difference.

@@Ianmar1 thank you

I am not sure. The difference in weight mostly just affects balance and forces you to improve your posture. You can do kendo-style small strikes with a heavy blade. Perhaps stopping for a follow-up is a bit harder.

Adding a heavier sword will favor the one with stronger muscle. This is not about strength, its about technique. In testing this particular subject, external factor should be eliminated, not added.

@@angryzombie8088 If you cannot wield a real sword, what's the point? A modern competitive shinai for men is about 600g, a katana is somewhere between 1000 and 1200g. That weight *will* affect the speed of the swing, how fast you can change a trajectory, and your recovery. If you cannot do it with a real sword, you're just playing around.

@@kodain omg are you seriously trying to compare a bamboo Shinai with a metal katana? Btw AR-15 weight is about 2.97kg. Anyway, I agree there will be slight difference in speed but I believe a Kendoka can handle those 1.2kg In case you didnt realize, in the video both Kendoka is using the same sword with same weight. With real sword, it will translate into a slightly slower speed with same result. Boken & Shinai is used to avoid fatal injury.

@@angryzombie8088 I fail to see why an AR-15 was brought up. If you've never trained to use a real sword, it will be very, very different. Your argument was that a real sword would favour the one with more muscle and that it was about technique. Knowing how to use a real blade *is* technique. In fact, it's what makes you become aware whether your technique is shite or not. If you don't know how to use your body, you will become tired very fast, strikes become heavier, which means harder to block, and they become harder to recover from once you do them. It also becomes much harder to do follow-up strikes or changing your trajectory. Furthermore, a metallic sword would stick or bind, although this is very hard to recreate without an edge on the weapon. Yes, it's for safety purposes, but a training weapon like that cannot be used if you truly wish to compare two sword arts.

Don't olympic fencers regularly sweep HEMA competitions?

@@Ianmar1 no idea, wouldn't be surprised either way.

Why do proponents of historical fencing always assume that sport fencers don't know the difference between an opening where they might be able to make a clean attack and close down the counterattack and an opening in which they can certainly make a clean attack and close down the counterattack? Why do they always assume that sport fencers would use the same tactics if lives are at stake?

Neither of these kendoka has practiced kenjutsu. See the subtitle at 0:27.

@@Ianmar1 I do noticed that, but one doesnt need to be a practitioner to emulate a movements. Even animals can emulate humans, emulation is a step in learning. They never claimed to be a Kenjutsu practitioner but I cant say that they have absolute zero knowledge about Kenjutsu.

both are kendoka