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Emmanuel Acho, LeSean McCoy, Joy Taylor, and Ric Bucher discuss whether Kevin Durant’s legacy is unfairly criticized in the NBA. Joy weighs in on KD’s situation and explains he has reached a point where he has realized he only needs to live and play for himself. The group then debate what KD would have to do to quiet his critics.
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@SpeakOnFS1 Жыл бұрын

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@KingPiercter Жыл бұрын

Bro ppl wouldnt be discrediting him if we won a chip on okc or brooklyn. Acho is the only one on here that gets it

@123456CBOY Жыл бұрын

My problem was him going to the team that came back n beat him to me it didn't matter it was golden state or not

@joyce2680 Жыл бұрын

That makes as much sense as if Acho discredited Klay, Dray, and Steph for not winning a chip by themselves elsewhere. It's hard enough winning a chip without randoms who have won nothing talking as if they've done something.

@joyce2680 Жыл бұрын

Acho needed a ghost writer for his book! Does that mean the NY Times' accolades don't count? Are those book sales fake? Should he write his own book before we give him credit? We saw KD do work. We didn't see Acho writing. 🤔 Think about that‼️

@MaliKali-po9su Жыл бұрын

@@joyce2680 acho used a ghostwriter???

@maxindeed1 Жыл бұрын

Man don’t nobody defend KD more than the Media

@gmurder13905 Жыл бұрын

Huhhhh lol no they don’t

@tydolla1034 Жыл бұрын

Who lied bro lmaooo

@miminoran8948 Жыл бұрын

Lol sense when

@thetarheel2010j Жыл бұрын

Facts 😂😂😂 he doesn’t get near the criticism that LeBron gets

@ThePlatinumGame Жыл бұрын

I mean why the criticism tho? Everybody knows he moves to the best of his own drum. Yea we expect more from a player with his talent. But he’ll never have the career to equate that. So why bother talking about it.

@Spoonky92 Жыл бұрын

"KD always delivered " Are we forgetting his 3-1 loss? Last years performance against the Celtics?

@kbdemonbain4568 Жыл бұрын

add blowing the 3-1 lead on those said warriors he joined in 2016

@levidobbs3047 Жыл бұрын

@@kbdemonbain4568are you slow? He literally already said that

@joyce2680 Жыл бұрын

Are you forgetting LeBron's not so veiled overtures toward the Warriors, Steph in particular?

@rickylukecage4215 Жыл бұрын

Lebron was trying to recruit steph because he was available for free agency the following year and steph stay 10 toes down.

@joyce2680 Жыл бұрын

@@rickylukecage4215 LeBron courted Steph, a Warrior, who beat LBJ's Cavs 3 out 4 Championships. Mind you this was when LBJ was moving to Lakers after overtures to Warriors failed.

@TameOJ Жыл бұрын

KD is absolutely NOT unfairly criticized. It's all fair, much like with every other superstar. Both on and off the court is in the line of fire. It comes with the territory. Behavior towards media is also criticized. He claims it's unfair because he dug himself a hole too deep. Had he not gotten snippy at golden state after two rings and then continued to be so, more than likely the criticism wouldn't be nearly as bad, but it still wouldn't be unfair.

@bamboosho0t Жыл бұрын

I think it's blowback from the LeBron/media aura. Where everything he does has to be scrutinized with the finest toothed comb. Joining a team that beat his team up 3-1...👀 If LeBron lost to Golden State and joined them, we'd never hear the end of it. The criticism is fair on a micro level, but his individual greatness is set.

@josephbryant1666 Жыл бұрын

Lebron losing to an all time great team in warriors don’t compare to kd losing to them blowing a lead people in general try to say weird arguments to discredit him already but all the criticism is fair the only rings he’s gotten was with the warriors but y’all use kd as an argument to discredit steph even though he won before with him and after y’all will give kd all the flowers even though he literally ain’t have to earned them any good small toward coulda replace kd at that spot and the outcome woulda been the same

@joyce2680 Жыл бұрын

@@josephbryant1666 The Warriors were up 3-1 when LeBron blew up their world! THEN PUT ON "THE ULTIMATE WARRIOR" TEE SHIRT‼️They ran after KD. LeBron wanted KD and Kawhi to go to the Lakers and help him win more rings! No one's talking about that.

@locoadan1999 Жыл бұрын

Acho was preaching in this segment! My god. We can’t just ignore how KD went to gsw lol that’s literally like lebron going to the celtics after they beat him 😭

@nobleskywalker4639 Жыл бұрын

Thank you!!! Cause people use the Heat comparison and I'm like I'm sorry the Heat were 5th in the East and were eliminates in the first round. They weren't the team with 73 wins and got to the finals

@itshiho Жыл бұрын

Prince James started in all...

@itshiho Жыл бұрын

@@nobleskywalker4639 73 wins means nothing. They never even won 70 games with KD. Prince James lovers were just butthurt that they couldn't beat them and they only want LeBron to be able to stack the deck with star players.

@dooniegragg4924 Жыл бұрын

@@itshihoexactly

@mreams1873 Жыл бұрын

As someone who lived in the OKC market he didn't perform well in big games on a regular basis. Maybe it was the coaching, Russ, or something else going on but he wasn't able to consistently play well too many 8 foot jumpers clanging when he was open. OKC isn't the easiest place to live for someone from DC and maybe it impacted his play

@PREEZYDAKID Жыл бұрын

Acho laid out and iron-clad argument with this one 💯

@joyce2680 Жыл бұрын

Not at all. Just bias with misleading data. Don't be fooled or foolish. Even his boy, Shady rejected his premise.

@blazerthedon Жыл бұрын

Acho was cooking !!!!💯

@justogmula4627 Жыл бұрын

KD is legit the most protected super star ever to be honest 😂

@kelseywalker2342 Жыл бұрын

Not a bad roster to roll with over the years 6 or 7 hall of famers

@YasharKhanah Жыл бұрын

What was omitted was that he joined a team that he was up 3-1 on in the playoffs, and a win away from the finals. He literally joined the team that beat him. He couldn't beatem so he joined them.

@Youngnice314 Жыл бұрын

Everyone that’s ok with that decision always omit that part of the situation and I don’t understand why. Losing a 3-1 lead is a big part of the problem with this situation for most people. As a competitor that mindset is hard to fathom.

@gs3635 Жыл бұрын

KD replaced Harrison Barnes and Rick acting like they lost the whole roster 😂

@jvtopflight796 Жыл бұрын

Replace Barnes Bogut gone and the Bench.. Dude go look at 73 roster Vs KD GS roster.. Clear difference

@Atlantafan21 Жыл бұрын

@@jvtopflight796 Bogut and Barnes are the only two players that left that played any sort of significant minutes. Sorta Barbosa. KD replacing those guys pretty clearly is still a massive improvement. The two key bench players were Iggy and Livingston and both those guys were still on the team, and Zaza replaced Bogut.

@jvtopflight796 Жыл бұрын

@@Atlantafan21 You just name four players lol.. That's not a simple Barnes for KD swap.. That's 2 STARTERS and 2 key bench guys lol

@Atlantafan21 Жыл бұрын

@@jvtopflight796 I named 3 players, 2 starters and one bench player who wasn’t that significant. I said they KEPT their two key bench players in Livingston and Iggy. KD is light years better than Barnes, who happened to be a big reason as to why they lost to the cavs in the first place. Zaza basically replaced Boguts production. Every other player change was inconsequential. They basically kept their top 5 players while adding in a top 5 player in the league and a big man that filled in fine for the only other hole.

@peezydabeatmonster8112 2 ай бұрын

They lost 6 or 7 players for KD go look

@armaniax1120 Жыл бұрын

The media does every slick move possible to discredit Steph lol

@jimmycharlotin7050 Жыл бұрын

That is why I don't pay attention to these so called experts all they I'd find time to make up nonsense to talk about

@damianpresha9833 Жыл бұрын

Steph have not done anything outside the Warriors core and depth.

@andrewhudson7092 Жыл бұрын

@@damianpresha9833 well he’s never played for a different organization… so that’s a dumb statement

@damianpresha9833 Жыл бұрын

@@andrewhudson7092 It's not cause he's been there the longest and they have been hurt at different points. He's still never been able to lift the team without them being present.

@bobbypinkston9374 Жыл бұрын

Steph has been crowned the greatest 3ball shooter of all time and is pretty universally considered top 20 all time. But He’s never taken a bad team on a run and he’s been hurt a lot, and I think that takes a bit away. I got no hate for Steph, but o think he’s the media’s darling

@trechasin Жыл бұрын

Steph & Lebron got criticized while meeting in the finals every year KD doesn’t get criticized enough if you ask me

@Smartboi302 Жыл бұрын

Lol they skipped & hopped right over that point

@Youngnice314 Жыл бұрын

Facts

@ichabodcraen Жыл бұрын

Man it's hard to hear shady speak over Durant in his mouth

@frankyng4159 Жыл бұрын

hes speaking facts. Durant is one of the best. He doesnt have to prove anything. Making millions and also have his own shoes. People like to nitpick at the greats such as Lebron. People don't want to see Lebron passing Jordan as the GOAT.

@2zdaysound473 Жыл бұрын

Acho the only one making sense 😂 rare w

@jctslice Жыл бұрын

No. LeBron is the guy who gets unfairly criticized. No matter what, it's never enough. If he wins, there's always an excuse why he won. If he loses, he gets destroyed no matter the circumstances. It's excuses for why he wins and no context for losses. KD gets just as much excuses as criticism. It's nothing BUT criticism for LeBron

@c.jfuego2829 Жыл бұрын

lebron was carrying a bunch of role players with no second star in 2018 and was getting crucified like crazy but KD got swept against the celtics and it was swept under the rug so i completely agree with you

@soulreaperfred Жыл бұрын

Bro you cooking rn bc everybody talks about how LeBron 4-6 in finals when you take time to realize the teams he DRAGGED to the finals would be lottery teams without him

@fastlaneyp Жыл бұрын

The lebron that hasn't done more than MJ but many call him the GOAT anyway gets too much criticism? He's number 1 or 2 on everyone's list. He gets plenty of credit. Criticism comes with greatness period

@chrishaughton3988 Жыл бұрын

The Media talk negative about LBJ an KD what they gonna talk about once they retired

@jctslice Жыл бұрын

@@fastlaneyp bro, what media you watching lol like 70% of people call MJ the GOAT, not LeBron. Some even have the nerve to put KOBE above him lmao. Only the EXTREME LeBron fans really go out of their way to call bron the GOAT. Most others don't

@user-xv1sr3uy7p Жыл бұрын

Kd had kyrie on his team & got swept by the Celtics !!!!! Why no one talk about it more

@swervfm Жыл бұрын

warriors won a title before durant, warriors won a title after durant. the only time durant has won a title has been on the warriors, & practically any superstar could've joined that same team & had the same result. if he wins a title without joining the best team in the league, then he can get his props. until then, he deserves all the criticism in my opinion.

@josephbryant1666 Жыл бұрын

Been saying this and the same people that criticize steph for losing didn’t keep that same energy with kd and on top of that tried to give him all the credit for winning even though warriors simplified everything he needed to do Wiggins is a prime example everyone was calling him a bust warriors get him he instantly becomes one of the best 2 way players while shoot long threes at a high clip .. then steph goes on to dominate a team who kyrie and kd couldn’t get a game from

@daabsolutetruetv Жыл бұрын

Lebron doesn’t get these same excuses that the media makes for Kd people need to stop that

@ScoKnows Жыл бұрын

The man KD went from saying on twitter he’d never leave okc and “I just wanna hoop” To Not caring about his legacy I’m dead

@joyce2680 Жыл бұрын

The word legacy is overworked and misused. Anyone talking about KD'S legacy just spits out that "latest thing to say". KD is still alive; most of the folks talking about HIS LEGACY don't know him and have no active part in it. Why do you care? Just watch him work and either enjoy or don't. He's doing his heart's passion. What's your legacy? Do you speak on YOURS? Make YOURS. Don't confuse your opinions of KD as being KD's legacy. That's your arrogance in play.

@hanspatmpouma1183 Жыл бұрын

KD wanted to be loved like LeBron but he didn't have the same degree of difficulty for his chips like bron.

@gmurder13905 Жыл бұрын

Miami chips weren’t difficult

@hanspatmpouma1183 Жыл бұрын

@@gmurder13905 yes they were not but KD chips were easier than LeBron miami.

@loaded730 Жыл бұрын

@@gmurder13905 beating kd and an all time great spurs team weren’t difficult?

@OscarUnrated Жыл бұрын

who said he wanted to be loved like lebron? His actions say otherwise. Lebron is also one of the most hated

@hanspatmpouma1183 Жыл бұрын

@@OscarUnrated when KD made his move he said (l'm summarizing): "if we want to blame him we should do bron". So the déduction is that he did like bron thinking it shouldn't be an issue. Since bron is loved for going to win with miami he should get the same love.

@blackanimelover18 Жыл бұрын

Kevin Durant can't even begin to understand "unfair" criticism. We all know who's REALLY unfairly criticized, and KD doesn't even get 1/10th the amount of hate he does.

@FinancesOnBitcoin Жыл бұрын

KD is nothing without Steph. You can tell the story of the NBA without KD, but you can’t without Steph

@cd7314 Жыл бұрын

Unless kd pull a lebron and go back to okc and win a ring, he’ll never do enough. Every time he’ll choose a team that’s already ready made and experienced.

@newrecruit100 Жыл бұрын

and this right here is proving his point. Well done.

@a27dub Жыл бұрын

At this point its too late he couldve did it with Brooklyn but now its over. He has to deal with it now.....

@francismath-osagie6630 Жыл бұрын

Acho just graduated! I don’t know from what but when you one vs three in this argument and your smoking d three all the way like that ?

@kelseywalker2342 Жыл бұрын

It’s strange, probably because hockey is such a team game but I never remember these conversations when ray bourque finally won with the aves or Hossa with Chicago etc

@joyce2680 Жыл бұрын

We never hear about hockey, soccer before or since the World Cup, baseball - all team sports. They just regurgitate the same stuff. Very lazy and boring!

@khele2k Жыл бұрын

Ray Bourque played 22 season on bad Bruins teams. He was the captain and the best player. His dedication and class was respected throughout the league and community. At the time the only teams winning Cups were the Red Wings and the Avalanche. Ray was traded in his 22nd year at the trade deadline to Colorado to finally win a Cup. They failed, then succeeded the next year, and Ray Bourque retired. Comparing his dedication to the Bruins vs Durant's leaving every time it gets hard is quite different if you ask me.

@joyce2680 Жыл бұрын

@@khele2k You missed the point. Hockey is considered one of the four major sports. Yet coverage is negligible. Sports shows cover the same teams and players, saying the same thing over and over again. For the salary that they make they should do better and we should demand better from them.

@dmvo_johnny7648 Жыл бұрын

Mr. Glass without a hairbrush

@FuRawRee 7 ай бұрын

"Hello!" Get em shady 😂😂

@user-gi7ec6ss7t Жыл бұрын

Lesean McCoy up here talking about competition and being a killer. A killer was up 3-1 on a 73 win team in the west finals, blew it, and joined that same team in the offseason??? That ain’t no killer. That’s an insecure man.

@tnicc78_ Жыл бұрын

I wished people defended Bron like this

@ThinkingCrypto Жыл бұрын

What alot of people miss is that MJ as the GOAT set a high standard and many people use that as a blueprint. LeBron, KD and other players get criticized fairly and unfairly by this standard. Context is important, people remember stories so KD's story is flawed compared to an MJ even though he is an all time great. Lebrons was flawed too until he went back to cleveland and made it right and won the hearts and respect of many who hated him.

@showtime2454 Жыл бұрын

That Cleveland ring helped lebron a lot

@ThinkingCrypto Жыл бұрын

@@showtime2454 yup

@ryanr20091 Жыл бұрын

Mj played decades ago there was no way subsequent generations were going to follow his blueprint. It would be like asking jordon live up to meet Bill Russel standard when both men faced different competition the landscape was different under different rules , hence why the standard automatically changes from era to era. In other words what worked in the 90s wont necessarily work today .

@showtime2454 Жыл бұрын

@@ryanr20091 I go by era's MJ 90s Kobe 2000s Lebron 2010s MJ the overall goat in my opinion I didn't watch Bill Russell 11 💍

@showtime2454 Жыл бұрын

@@ryanr20091 MJ would average 45 a game in today's NBA

@CarSportsTalk Жыл бұрын

Shady calling kd "God" 🤦‍♂️ should replace him/bring back dave asap 😂

@raymonddiaz2254 Жыл бұрын

KD was the best player on the team because it was so easy for him to play on an already historically great team Steph and Klay made it easy for him to do his thing because they are already so dangerous you can’t leave them open. It was a cake walk and the softest move in nba history and most likely will be forever.

@joshuabailey2335 Жыл бұрын

So I guess it was easy for him in okc to because he put up basically the same numbers won 4 scoring titles and a mvp, your comment makes no sense it would make sense if he had mediocre numbers in okc and then his stats inflated in gs

@raymonddiaz2254 Жыл бұрын

@@joshuabailey2335 he played with Russell Westbrook 6 man James harden and prime serge ibaka Kendrick Perkins Derick fisher and more sure he played with nobodies on that team too lmfao 🤣

@raymonddiaz2254 Жыл бұрын

@@joshuabailey2335 plus Steph and klay don’t need the ball to be effective like Westbrook or harden, so yes it was a lot easier on the already 73-9 warriors

@joshuabailey2335 Жыл бұрын

@@raymonddiaz2254 once you inserted Kendrick Perkins and old Derek fisher in your argument you are just reaching now bro have good a good night

@joshuabailey2335 Жыл бұрын

@@raymonddiaz2254 and another thing you know for a fact Westbrook was not then what he eventually turned out to be so stop it

@sonikspeed19 Жыл бұрын

The problem with KD is he keeps yapping about how he's a god and hinting that he's the best player ever and so on. That's why people criticize him harshly. If he just said "I'm a great player" nobody would mind that. But putting yourself at the pinnacle of basketball means you're gonna get all the smoke and it's completely fair.

@mr.o5577 Жыл бұрын

I've never heard KD say that ever

@cd7314 Жыл бұрын

He literally didn’t answer the bell LAST SEASON, the man got swept and had the worst performance of his life! You can’t call a player so individually great but then refuse to hold them to the same standard as every other great player, which is being able to lead a team, he hasn’t done that.

@Killa_Kamz Жыл бұрын

All y'all are disconnected af from reality. Nobody judges KD for JUST leaving Russ. He gets judged for leaving Russ because he sat there and told Russ literally, "its alright bro, we'll get them next year" and then jumped ship to them. It's calling Russ your BROTHER and then leaving him high and dry. Nobody told KD to call Russ his brother, nobody told KD to tell Russ on live TV that they were gunna get them next year. Nobody but you guys in the media, your friends not ours, roast him for leaving GSW. We 5 him because he said he wanted to build and lead his own team. His own words, nobody told him say that. But yet choose Kyrie to run with and let Kyrie run the show when he said he wanted to run it, which was why he was there. Now he's getting roasted for going to PHX because he failed to lead or even step up to lead in BKN, so instead, he wants to jump to a ready-made team again.

@user-ud2nz4wo2b Жыл бұрын

If he doesn’t want to be talked about greatness. Then he should be payed like one. If you’re demanding to be paid like you’re the best then this is what comes with it.

@TitusLennon Жыл бұрын

Acho is a really good debater lol

@MrAdmvp Жыл бұрын

What can Kevin Durant do? Just lead a team ffs, dude is supposed to be an all time great yet he couldn’t lead a team to a brothel. Without Steph holding his hand what is he?

@bopyranks Жыл бұрын

Acho was spittin' facts here.

@peteypablo8483 Жыл бұрын

If KD always answers the bell, what happened against Boston last year when they got swept? 🤔

@kelseywalker2342 Жыл бұрын

11:30 wtf is he talking about they lost a lot of pieces, ya bench guys they kept steph,klay,green,iguadola all still there

@blackhippywill Жыл бұрын

Acho SMOKED this segment!

@TheMiketru Жыл бұрын

Where's David Helman? He hasn't been on the show for weeks?

@Perin78 Жыл бұрын

He says he does not want to be a leader that in my book says a lot about him

@Keithwilsonjr757 Жыл бұрын

Everyone is not cut out to be a leader tho

@Perin78 Жыл бұрын

@@Keithwilsonjr757 Yes but all the greats did not run from it Jordan, Bird, Kobe the list goes on

@Perin78 Жыл бұрын

@@Keithwilsonjr757 This is something straight out of KD's mouth he said he doesn't want to be a leader he just want to play ball. That to me took him out of the running to be considered one of the greats

@rossdevers9478 Жыл бұрын

It's simple. He took the easy way out. Let's not forget he had the ability to have a say in personnel in OKC and he decided not to be loyal and jump ship to the team that bounced him out of the playoffs the previous year. He was getting left behind in the conversations and as fragile as his mind is, did the most desperate thing he could think of and had an easy trip to the Finals for validation. That doesn't sit well with fans, he tried to copycat LeBron in order to increase his legacy but it did the exact opposite, it questioned his legacy, not to mention the train wreck that the Brooklyn Nets became when the franchise gave a player who's never been a leader and has no team building acumen all the power they could. That's why he's criticized. It's not questioning his ability, it's questioning is his superstar status legitimate or not. He's a great player but does he belong in the conversations of the greatest in the modern era..

@ayrtoncurrie Жыл бұрын

Listening to Shady defend KD and Kyrie is like listening to a trump supporter on how good trump is. The problem with listening to this is that you can literally become dumber.

@MrAdmvp Жыл бұрын

Joy Taylor making Billy Madison sound like a Rhodes Scholar

@ceasorbennett924 Жыл бұрын

My man acho was on one Yessirski 😎📈

@pulliam318 Жыл бұрын

I just wish this was Lebron to say he doesn’t care about his legacy

@NevadaJohn1 Жыл бұрын

I miss Marcellus

@SPORTS_FITNESS_LIFE_HIPHOP Жыл бұрын

Joy got a strong face....

@IFHA23 Жыл бұрын

I have to admit I hated KD his whole career. Then I started watching him on podcast and I really like this dude. He's smart AF. And seems really chill. Just seems like he doesn't play any bs.

@itshiho Жыл бұрын

All Prince James lovers hate KD because he destroyed Prince James two finals in a row. Prince James lovers also hate Kyrie, Kobe and MJ, can't stand you clowns.

@ryankayombya7576 Жыл бұрын

I loved him in okc. "The real mvp" period. Then he joined gsw and I lost all respect lol. Steph vs Bron rivalry was going to propel the league forward too

@joyce2680 Жыл бұрын

@@ryankayombya7576 There was no Steph vs Bron rivalry. It was Bron vs Warriors, especially when the Warriors were up 3-1, then lost. Why aren't ppl saying the Splash Bros and Dray's 2 rings with KD are bogus???

@andrewhudson7092 Жыл бұрын

@@joyce2680 idiot it was cavs vs warriors…

@anthonyblakely399 Жыл бұрын

Agree with all of you!!! K D needs to do what he does...and may the chips fall where they fall. Just be and DO KD!!!! For get about the rest....all of who are criticizing ain;t on the court!!!! Bottomline!!!

@jfacts192 Жыл бұрын

Every great players in the top 15, and 10 get criticized all the time. That’s how we separate and rank these players. KD replaced Harrison Barnes on the 73 win Warriors team. Which made them unbeatable. Remember that KD Thunders were up 1-3 vs Golden State in the western Conference Finals and KD ended up choking in the WCF against the Warriors. The next season he joins the team that beat him in the previous year in the playoffs. If you can’t beat them, you joins them.

@princecheck11 Жыл бұрын

the bucs literally had two pro bowl caliber wr& a top 10 defense but nobody points that out

@UnexpectedWonder Жыл бұрын

Exactly!!! 👊👊✊✊👏👏 Because it's Tom Brady. 🙄🙄😒😒😑😑

@NK-qx6kk Жыл бұрын

How many great teams win without good qb? Look at 2012 Chicago Bears. No one says his teammates were bums without him, football is a team sport, but Qb is the centerpiece. It takes players like Brady, Montana, Mahomes to win repeatedly. Before Brady helped Bucks become champions, all the media talking head said it's all Belichick's mastermind and you can put anyone with Patriots and still win, now are more in agreement that Brady is a big part of that legacy.

@kobeobryant Жыл бұрын

Joys favourite word on this topic: suffering. Can‘t hear it anymore

@MrAdmvp Жыл бұрын

It’s because she formulate a coherent argument

@diegobromfield Жыл бұрын

Acho swept the table.

@madhavrajesh8812 Жыл бұрын

KD is an all time great player, but he’s kinda stuck in the top 15ish range (14th or 15th) until he proves that he can win as the leader, when LeBron won his 2 chips in Miami, his legacy wasn’t cemented yet. He had to be the leader AND best player to cement his legacy and leapfrog other greats. Same with KD, if he did what LeBron did in Cleveland and LA, he may climb the all time great ladder significantly. We know KD’s struggles without GSW, 2013 WCSF vs Memphis was a bad series and shot 36% from the field and 67% from the FT Line. 2016 was the 3-1 series chokejob against GSW, and then last year in 2022, KD was terrible against Boston and got swept?

@brandoncalero6072 11 ай бұрын

KD haters try to diminish the great things he’s done, went to the finals in his early 20s, was in the western conference finals basically every year he was healthy on the Thunder. The West at that time was far more heavily stacked than the East. KD has been the best player on every team he’s been on and he’s played for a few great teams

@crxssv2316 Жыл бұрын

people are just haters in general, it still bothers me that cp3 gets absolutely no love from the fans or the media, he’s an all time PG and people judge him for not having a ring, how many greats were there without a ring, savage 21 ALOT.

@MrAdmvp Жыл бұрын

Wait, so people should all just be dickriders??

@jvtopflight796 Жыл бұрын

GS before KD won because Bron had Delly as his 2nd best player.. So we just gone ignore that 🤣🤣

@tonystonez5771 Жыл бұрын

When you were up 3-1 to GS and then get beat by them and join them the next season what’d you expect

@nathanforsyth7963 Жыл бұрын

Problem with achos argument is if kd joined the nuggets would that be the same because they have the best record but almost nobody sees them as the best team

@jeffm7145 Жыл бұрын

I think a lot of the criticism comes down to the fact that he's surly and defensive

@iamlosthere Жыл бұрын

If you take in the compliments, you also need to take the criticisms. What's to not get? People are talking about their career as an NBA player, not their personality.

@ryanx2406 9 ай бұрын

Btw, look up a guy named Tom chambers just to answer Shady Mc’s question we’ve seen a player like Kd before he was a 6”10 white guy who played for phoenix who averaged 20-10 something Kd has never done in a season.

@mackhook Жыл бұрын

The problem is we are in a era where top 10 players and alphas move from team to team where this didn't happen much 30 years ago. It's the players prerogative and I am not a fan but it's the time we're in now. When you're arguably the best player in the league, you should attract the best role players to you, but like I said that was our day. He'll be ok. Great individual talent, not much of a team leader as is the case with many of this generations best players.

@DeeMeechie Жыл бұрын

Thank you everyone except Acho knew what they were talking Abt ppl say that KD went w/o mentioning the fact that the flew to KD's crib begging him to join like come on now KD was the best player on their team then and I hope he gets a chance to see them in the playoffs 🙏🏽 he'll annihilate gsw 💯

@Youngnice314 Жыл бұрын

After losing the 3-1 lead to GS his goal should have been to annihilate them. KD didn’t need them to be great they needed him. That’s why he get criticized. What he doing now is what he should have done in the first place.

@DeeMeechie Жыл бұрын

@@Youngnice314 if KD when another chip outside of gsw I just don't know what else ppl could say shii would be pure hate at that point

@niriboy8952 Жыл бұрын

Joy was on point. Can’t convince me otherwise

@Hopkins8564 Жыл бұрын

This time around Acho got off!

@johnnyvansguard869 Жыл бұрын

Shady finally made a decent take

@gatekeepercoley Жыл бұрын

Good defense of KD by shady

@SirXPerfect Жыл бұрын

He had everything he needed in Brooklyn this yr was actually looking good and boom. Blew it all up.

@armanabbasi3754 Жыл бұрын

who blew it up? just think about it again

@brandoncalero6072 11 ай бұрын

Y’all hate on KD unfairly. All you focus on are his shortcomings, but he has many crazy accomplishments and just from the eye test alone he is a top 5 player ever

@ryanx2406 9 ай бұрын

We’ve always known it was shaq that carried Kobe 2k24 seems to have changed a narrative that has always been consistent.

@kingnovi9404 Жыл бұрын

Acho doesn’t understand without the championships kd still has great accomplishments. With Brady belicheck had a losing record that is a fact. He has no playoff wins without Brady

@MikkiChavez Жыл бұрын

I find it funny trying to justify JD joining the Warriors, putting together the nets & joining the Suns.. Like what are we doing lmao

@wyntonlancaster6737 Жыл бұрын

The only knock on KD is that he has ALWAYS been on a super team. Okc with harden, Russ and ibaka was a super team too but every player has something to minimize their achievements

@fortunecresc232 Жыл бұрын

First time Joy gave a bad take ever. Everyone knows what it is just trying to stay on his good side. Him and Kyrie got swept first round stop it.

@Bakuru Жыл бұрын

I don't think she gave a bad take because she's not WRONG, but I do think she is being a little disingenuous. KD's past isn't forgotten. It's not talked about because people don't have any argument toward it. Like you said, what's talked about are the things he fell short on. Like every other superstar does LOL so yeah

@childlesscouplevlog Жыл бұрын

Sorry only media critized KD but most and majority of the people who love basketball KD is one of the great! KD is the only one perfect missing piece of every team.

@jz4117 Жыл бұрын

kd has no rings

@phillysimpson7341 Жыл бұрын

Acho ain’t the same w/o Wiley but he was on point with his take

@jumahbrady670 Жыл бұрын

Wiley doing his thing on his podcast

@phillysimpson7341 Жыл бұрын

@@jumahbrady670 it’s one of the best out there

@jumahbrady670 Жыл бұрын

@@phillysimpson7341 facts 💯

@rhythm449 Жыл бұрын

EVERYONE FORGETS. HOW GREAT STEPH AND CLAY WERE , MAKING IT EASY FOR KD..THERE WERE 31 OTHER TEAMS HE COULD'VE JOINED...

@tashied422 Жыл бұрын

Its clear they wanted to take the easy way out and recruit him to the team. If you're saying that KD didn't want to work for the ring, well neither did they. Otherwise Steph, Klay, Draymond, and Iggy wouldn't have showed up alongside Kerr to convince KD to play for them. So yall can sit here all day and say that the Warriors were a great team. Obviously they didn't think they were good enough to run it back. Well never know whether KD wouldve tried to join the Warriors on his own because the Warriors approached him first

@DeeMeechie Жыл бұрын

@@tashied422 omg thank you Acho was trying hard asl to discredit KD and gsw fans act like he did nothing for them🤦🏽‍♂️

@thetarheel2010j Жыл бұрын

The media blamed Westbrook for KD not winning in OKC. The media gives him a pass

@stansmith8158 10 ай бұрын

Kd is my favorite player . The way I always looked at his his negative critism is I think most of the world knows wat he is capable because his natural scoring ability so abythjng less than perfect they hate on him

@a27dub Жыл бұрын

Shady loss me with Kobe and Jordan being identical. KD knew what he was doing and no amount of shaming is gonna stop that. He will live his life and the debate will continue he will still be critcized. It is what it is..

@MilesBrownRoyalty Жыл бұрын

The Warriors lost like 8 players to join the Warriors...that is NOT joining the 73 win team. It's a TOTALLY different team.

@stansmith8158 10 ай бұрын

Kevin Durant is definately one of the basketball gods

@754LIFE Жыл бұрын

Andy Reid is the best football coach of all time to me 🏈

@victoregglestonn4166 Жыл бұрын

For one wend he went to the warriors they only keep 3 starters..and two bench players...

@kevinthomas6130 Жыл бұрын

What about that 3-1 lead kd had vs curry but everyone talk about the 3-1 lead in finals

@StuntmanBeatz313 Жыл бұрын

he joined a team that HAD the best record the year prior... y'all act like he joined them in the finals the 73-9 year... the MEDIA narratives is RUINING how we look at basketball because of all the COMPARISONS... "comparison is the thief of joy" I learned that from YALL specifically..

@StuntmanBeatz313 Жыл бұрын

They were 73-9 & wasn't good enough to win & the losing team made a winning acquisition...

@brandoncalero6072 11 ай бұрын

If you factor out injuries, KD would have far more accolades and likely another 2 rings