The fact that Seton suggested he get pushed out of the top 10 is absurd lmao

Setons takes are usually bad.

He said "eventually" he will fall out of the top-10, which is true of (almost) everyone.

@@Vic-Vega Yeah Seton made it sound like its imminent or maybe even here, but like I would HOPE by the 150th anniversary of the NBA this would be self-evidently likely....cause he'd have to be top 5 now to even expect to still be there in 75 more years...or the game degrades and very few legends pop up in the interim which would be terrible.

I have Mj, Lebron, Kareem, Magic then Bird. Larry is better than Wilt, Bill Russell, Duncan, Shaq, Kobe, Hakeem and Steph.

He hadnt played in almost a year. Somethings up. Heard he's dealing with some health issues

AND, the only reason Rodman is in the public news today is because of this.

Agreed

If my life is on the line, i would take Bird over Michael. Jordan is still the best to do it though.

@@stuartdamon3610 Michael over Bird, but only The Michael Jordan after he developed the undefendable fadeaway jumper.

You said it best. Rodman's comments are so stupid they shouldn't even be acknowledged.

Bird would be a 50/40/90 player every year, and he'd average 30+ ppg.

And Rodman's the perfect example of a player that wouldn't make it today. And I love Dennis Rodman. Well at least when he's not talking smack about Bird.

Bird will always be a Top 5 NBA player all-time. He's a transcendent basketball talent and genius.

Fr, the crazy thing is you could actually argue that magic would be worse today…

​@@darrel7589Bird was the best player on those Celtics .. lmao . Nerd

@@darrel7589 You could say the same things about Magic playing on a super team and being lucky to be drafted by the Lakers. Bird was the best player on the Celtics. His run from his rookie year to the 87 season was crazy - MVP Place: 4, 2, 2, 2, 1, 1, 1, 3, 2

​@@darrel7589the Celtics won 29 games when he was drafted. The next year won 63. Year after that a chip. You don't know jack shit. Btw I'm a Lakers fan haha

@@darrel7589 What "superteam" did Larry Bird play on in his first year when he single handed took a 29 win team the year before, to a 61 win team in his rookie year? I'll wait..... Oh, yeah. And MJ NEVER beat a Larry Bird led team in the playoffs.

​@@darrel7589it wasnt a superteam u marionette the celtics were competing against other teams that also had 3-5hofers thats how the nba was b4 expansion watered it down durig the late 80s and mid80s and mj never won a single playoff game against him and mj got shut down in game 3 once boston actually took mj srsly something they didnt do going into game2 because he had scored 49pts in game 1 without ever coming close to even holding a lead let alone winning

Good luck with that. Bird had the better organization

@@dparks2856 Bird played with good/great players he elevated to Hall of Famers. LeBron played with Hall of Famers he relegated to role players.

@@mikek7050 Damn..

Agreed. You also would never get LeBron for 10 years, so you can start with that.

@@mikek7050 Kobe? He led them all to 🏆

He also was the best trash talker because he always backed what he said ; the best team player of all time; and his his pain tolerance was extremely high; and basketball IQ was the best !! Not bad for" a slow white boy"

He'd be even greater in today's soft ass league.

@@jfayiii no doubt about it!!!

Especially a guy like Parish, with that dude's skill set he has no business in the HOF. But Bird elevated Robert's game. DJ and Mckale, maybe they do well without Bird but not Parish.

Exactly. Parish didn't do much with Golden State before he was traded to Boston. I don't want to take anything away from McKale because he had one of the best post games ever, but Bird's ability to shoot and pass spread the floor and elevated his teammates game. That's the thing these kids don't understand. Jordan, then And 1, convinced an entire generation that to be great you had to be ball dominant and try to score every time you touched the ball. They didn't see the greatness in Bird in Magic in that they had that triple threat every time they got the ball. I wish more people understand that it's a team game and not just about going 1 on 1 @@williamdavis9562

-- If Bird was black, then why did Detroit lose. 2) If Bird was in Europe, then Detroit would be in the CBA .

Rodman actually said it just after Bird scored 37 points with Rodman gaurding him as well.

Rodman said it after Bird scored 37 in the decisive Game 7 of the 1987 Eastern Conference Finals. I was a Pistons fan, but it was sour grapes by an immature kid and a dumb thing to say. Isiah thought he was sticking up for Rodman but should've known better.

@@poocrayon458817 rebounds as well

@@johngalt60 It's pretty weird as what does that say about Rodman getting cooked by him?

I won't say over anybody, but I would pick those 2 fellas somewhere to play against anybody😊😊😊😊😊

@@darrel7589 Bird would've made any team a winner. If you don't understand that, you shouldn't be commenting.

Anyone?? Lol

​@@darrel7589it's not serious lol..

Russell was overrated as hell stop it

Its because he is white, nobody wants to say it but that is absolutely the reason.

And 3 2nd place mvp votes in a 6 year period

You're not wrong .

Its pretty obvious these discussions are going on because he's white. When you know basketball and watch Larry Bird it's obvious the man still deserves to be in the top 10. The hate against whites is real. The liberal media is anti-white. ESPN is so bad!

And with all due respect I would take Larry Bird over Tim Duncan in a heartbeat. Even Phil Jackson said he would take Bird over Magic. So suck on that.

Agreed. The others wouldn't matter very much.

Magic ain't top 15, Bro.

@@filoIII - best point guard of all time. He can definitely start on my team.

@@epic103 MAGIC? The "best" PG of ALL TIME???? BWAAAAHAHAHHAAA!! Uhm, That's John Stockton, tyvm.

@@filoIII - you're telling me you'd take Stockton over Magic? Really? Btw... I think Stockton is great, but he's not better than Magic.

He’s not better than LeBron 😂😂😂 he’s def top 6 all time tho without question

@@realricky__ No less than Michael Jordan disagrees with you and has said so many times.

bird was 3 and 2 in finals

@@timperdue800 Good call

-- speed and hops are entertaining: Ja morant, D Rose, Westbrick, Vince. But skill overtakes athleticism. Jokic, Duncan, Bird, Luka, Magic. But, but...skill and athleticism? MJ. Lebron. Kareem.

@@jlui21other than passing and hitting an occasional 3 what skills lebron possesses?

​@@Pimping9167dribbling. Also reading and managing the game better than most point guards

Bird tore my ❤ out regularly. I still hate him, dammit! 😭

You are only as good as your competition. Comp today is thin!

@@stuartdamon3610 Me too! Dude was a killer.

​@dantefazzina9037 players today are better on average then the 80s. bird is my favorite player but players today on average are far more skilled then 80s

@@stuartdamon3610 Which is proof-alone that he deserves his place cemented in the top 10 for a minimum of the next 50 years.

Magic in no WAY woulda been much if he played at IN. St. Magic is barely top 15. Just marketing.

Plus a jump shot, a fall away, elite level rebounding, comparably passing skills, and more steals. No shade on Magic, he was great. Bird was better.

I agree, but Larry is not running show time like Magic. Let's be real Magic had a couple tools that Larry wishes his PG had.

Apples and oranges those 2 both were best player in the world at one time!

@@filoIII That is an ignorant and an ahistorical comment.

No defense

@@dparks2856 You Need To Check That Part Out Too. That's A Very Small Weakness Of Larry's Game & He Still Held His Own On It Too.

@@dparks2856​​⁠ No defense? 😅 He’s 3x All-Defensive, 4x leader in Defensive Win Shares and 7x top10, 5x top10 in Defensive Box Plus/Minus, once 2nd in Defensive Rating and 6x top10, 38th in steals per game in NBA history……. Just because you didn’t see him play, and CLEARLY don’t know the great impact he had on the defensive end (Celtics much worse without him and much better with, on D)!

@@dparks2856 Did you know he won an award for his defense? Look it up....

@@dparks2856 No defense????????? 3x 2nd-team all NBA Defensive team, Dork.

The year the sixers won they were considered one of the greatest teams ever. Bird didn't beat them that year obviously. No other year were they considered that. That wasn't a dynasty.

​@@darrel7589and MJ lost...

@zenith2930 Just tell 'em, Larry Bird won MVP 3 times in a row with the entire dream team in the frigging league....Marinate on that!

Plus he told players where he was taking the last shot, before he shot it right in front of their face to win the game with no time on the clock. The dude was a cold blooded machine.

​@@darrel7589and got Swept....Bird cooked everyone in the 80s

-- Luka and Jokic are destroying the league. Bird has already fallen out of the Top 10 but...if I'm building a team (outside of MJ), I'm taking Bird and Hakeem as my first 2 picks.

They both would be great

@@jlui21 please tell me ten players better than Bird.

@@jlui21 Hakeem was the most impressive player I ever saw live. And I saw all of them in the 80s and 90s.

@@johngalt60 -- Looking at careers, there are 10 contenders -- although Bird robbed us of his twilight years by doing his own concrete work. But AGAIN, my 2 favorites are: Bird and Hakeem. And hitting a game winner? For me its MJ #1 and Bird #2.

-- 5 titles? Probably 4 but all I know, my top 2 draft picks outside of MJ are: Bird and Hakeem.

Not only that, but the Bad Boy Pistons might have never won a title. Even MJ might not have won 6. Len Bias is one of the all-time great "what ifs" in sports history. It's tragic.

@@jlui21 Are you kidding me? Len Bias was the rival Michael Jordan was supposed to have in the 90s. The biggest what if player in NBA history.

Actually he wouldnt, he admitted in an interview that he would have retired in 88.

If Bias was around to take the load for McHale and let him heal his foot for the playoffs, that sure would have made a difference both in 1987 and going forward.

😊j🎉❤

That’s what I’ve been saying.

I oftem wonder how much nostalgia is involved in all of that

@@silewis9396 Sure. You go with that.

That's freaking bs and you know it

Maybe a quadruple double if you include steals.

Larry Bird could even possibly outshoot steph curry in today's NBA. He was that cold. Even damn Kareem said that Larry Bird was the best player he ever played against.

Bird could have averaged a triple double in the 80's but always cared about winning more than he did over personal stats.

I'm taking Larry(pause)everyday of the week.

Well said.

Meh it is just Rodman being Rodman.

You draft bird over Kareem, who just won 3 consecutive national player of the year awards and 3 national titles, Jordan whos the greatest player ever, or Lebron who has a 20 year prime. I love Bird but let's not be ridiculous. There's am argument to be made drafting him before other people but not those 3.

Fascinating

Yeah, Riley can make that ludicrous statement all he wants. I'm still takin' Jordan _every single time_ if my life OR just the game is on the line.

Yeah he was smarter than all those black dudes that played,that sounds more racist than saying Bird was out jumping and out running all those black players

@@dalegriffin6768 you sound racist. I guess you never saw him play

Joker is better than Bird I respect you’re opinion tho

joker step back one footer over AD was magic bro you are nostalgic

This playoffs run by Joker was way better than Bird ever had. The Joker is simply better

@@michaelrobinson3734 thank you my brother these fans can’t comprehend the truth

@@brashadcarr6759 Bird dominated a game with his left hand plus told opponents the play before he shot it right in their face to win the game. Fuck nostalgia, you can't even find this in the NBA anymore.

A lot of what you say is true. But I think Oscar Robertson invented the point forward position.

@@williamdavis9562 Oscar was a point guard and a big one at 6'5".

@@bAkra60 He was more like a point forward. A lot of forwards back then were about 6ft 5in.

i agree with thomas and rodman, but magic? cmon man... make your case

Because, his career was hampered with injuries.

@@penkima4923 But look at what he did nearly every year he played. He took a team of nobodies into a team of championship contenders nearly every year he played in the NBA. How many other players in the history of the league have ever done that?

@@kanajingly8957 Larry Bird played with Kevin McHale and Robert Parish nearly every year.

@@penkima4923not in 1980 though. He took a 29-53 team to 62 wins all on his own and won rookie of the year while doing it.

Not sure if Bobby Knight is the best judge of Bird's talents. Guy inexplicably let him slip away and almost landed him in obscurity because he let his seniors haze the freshmen. Knight just shrugged a generational talent dropping out of college under his watch like it didn't matter at the time. Yeah, Knight's eye for talent literally turned Larry Bird into a garbageman before Indiana State convinced him to give basketball another shot.

Some punk that's _lost_ the same amount of Finals that Jordan won doesn't even deserve to be mentioned in the same breath with MJ.

He's not the one that said it -- blame Rodman.

Here comes the Cult of Larry. Cue the ridiculous claims.

​@@mj23goat3Nothing of what that man said was "ridiculous." It was all spot on. I hated Larry, but his prime was so nuts it was top 3 all time.

@@mj23goat3 With ​​⁠that username you shouldn’t be talking about cults 😅 Btw, go check out what Jordan said about Bird.. calling him the GOAT forward, saying stuff like “I’m glad you’re gone” when Larry retired, so on and so forth. MJ level of respect towards Bird says a whole lot.

@@BasketballJones48021 Simply stating the _incontrovertible fact_ that Jordan is the GOAT doesn't make one a member of a cult any more than me stating that gravity makes things falls would make me a member of the Cult of Gravity. It's simply a universal truth. As a GenXer we all correctly believed that Larry was a Top-10 all-time player. But a bunch of little Millennial and Zoomer dumba*s sheep that have been inundated with Bird videos on KZfaq their entire lives began to convince themselves that he was more than he actually was. First it was "He's Top-10 all-time" then it was "He's Top-5 all-time", then "Top-3 all-time" and finally it was "I think Larry's the actual GOAT". Hence, my term, Cult of Larry. And, by the way, it's practically a cliche at this point but I'll say it anyway since you don't seem to be aware of it, but Bird himself once alluded to Jordan being "God" on the basketball court. Ain't no higher respect than THAT.

@@mj23goat3 Damn! Spoken like a true maniac cult member 😅 Even comparing a FACT, an actual physical fact.. to some subjective stuff like who’s the GOAT at basketball (mind you that I do agree Jordan is, if I had to pick one). Just ridiculous, that crazy rant 😂 Smdh

Kareem should never be lower than three and Magic was great but he made ZERO all-defensive teams. At some point defense has to matter.

Ditto!!!

Found the Celtics fan. Delusional one too.

@@mj23goat3 I am a Hawks fan. Hate the Celtics. Jordan never beat Bird. He was overrated until Pippen was drafted. Dominque was almost good as Jordan for like 8 years. If Magic didn't play in same era, Bird would have won like 8 chips. Same with Magic if Bird wasn't around. NBA is barely above WWE. Officials made sure Jordan won

@@MP-mn6we Lol. 'Nique? You mean The Black Hole? The ball went in and it never came back out, with his measly 2.5 assists per game avg. Please. Just look at what Jordan did when Doug Collins asked him to play PG back in that '89 season. Human Highlight was a great scorer but NO WAY could he have done what MJ did at that position. And yet another one with the clueless "Jordan never beat Bird" line. Jordan was basically playing all by himself against Bird's multi-HOFers _dynasty team_ then Larry conveniently retired before Jordan had his _own_ dynasty so that MJ could turn the tables around. "Officials made sure Jordan won" Wow, you're really hittin' all the tried and false anti-Jordanisms aren't ya'? Michael's FT att. per game for his career are pretty much in line with the other all-time greats. And seeing as how he was the most vicious attacker of the rim in league history he should've actually gotten _more_ attempts than his less savage counterparts.

@@mj23goat3 NBA is a marketing sport, barely above WWE chair shots at end of games. Jokic is first player to win NBA title without a second all-star. Jordan couldn't win until he got another all time great. His first 7 years, he was a blacker hole than Nique

@@mj23goat3 Bulls won 55 games after Jordan went to play baseball lol. They didn't 4 peat because of a bs official call at end of game 7. Replay clearly showed Pippen didn't touch Starks. Jordan has been and always will be over-rated. He is a great player no doubt. Not the GOAT. Your name tells me u r not objective

Karl Malone gets so much disrespect lol, it's really a shame. The only reasons why Malone gets so much hate is simple, he never won a ring, and people give him a hard time because of that time when he was dating that underage girl back when he was in college. Malone definitely is worthy of being at least close to the top 10 and in the discussion. It's not Malone's fault that his team had to go up against maybe the most dominant team in history in the Finals, the Bulls of the 90's. Nobody beat those 90's Bulls teams and I wouldn't use that as a negative against Karl Malone. If not for the Bulls, Malone would probably have 2 rings, instead of 0.

And still got schooled regularly.

@billwill1337: You know Rodman played with the Pistons, right??

just say peds

Is Tim behind Larry IDK about that, he's got 5 rings and was a defensive juggernaut. That's debatable

@@theesotaricitalian6338 Would I personally rank Larry over Timmy D? As a baller and legend? Yes, without hesitation. Do yo have to? No. ❤️ I think it’s a decent debate but boils down to longevity in Timmy’s favor which is a little boring. Larry vs Kobe and Larry vs Magic is a more interesting and close debate for me. Larry vs Shaq is mildly interesting because of the contrast of one of the most skilled legends ever vs a bully baller, and Shaq is one of maybe 5 players who can stack their peak against Larry. I’m comfortable with Timmy as the #1 PF and around 8-10 all time tbh.

I would have Magic and Bird a little higher in the top 10 if your list is in order, but I really like your 11-15 grouping and think it's fair. I wouldn't argue with anybody who thinks Kobe and/or Shaq should be in the top 10, but I love that you haven't forgotten about the great Oscar Robertson.

I think my top 10, in order, would be Michael, LeBron, Magic, Bird, Wilt, Duncan, Curry, Hakeem, Kareem, and Kobe. 11-15 I'm probably going Shaq, Moses, Bill Russell, Dr J (who is wildly underrated now), and maybe Durant.

​@@homerthompson416Definitely agree on Dr. J. People who rank Durant above him is cuckoo, IMHO.

jerry west is his childhood idol. russell spanked him routinely. dan takes any chance to diminish his accomplishments.

Bird got by on skill, savvy, toughness...lbj is strong and jumps high

You are nuts!

Kobe is great but overrated..shaq was the man in that 3 peat