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dunno about you guys, but I find M993 every other raid. In fact, I usually find it very quickly, roughly at 910 m/s passing through my skull approximately 14 seconds into my raid

One thing I've come to realise in tarky is that I don't like taking chances. If I can run something that provides the guarantee of a higher performance, I don't particularly mind forking the extra money, especially when the real thing you feel like you're losing is the time spent loading in/gearing for raid as opposed to the gear or the money loss it represents. If the cost of M62 is really that much of an issue for you however, Reserve raiders often have RFB's with around 110 rounds of the stuff, each!

One thing I would add is the recoil buff M62 gives us pretty significant, especially on the MDR.

I typically run M62 if I'm planning on really long engagements, so long that my scope zero won't go that far, and I want to track which dot to use. Otherwise, M80 in DMRs, M61 in bolt actions, unless I have some M993, and M62 if I'm running FA on labs or factory, where the slight recoil reduction feels like it matters.

Consistent informative uploads. Keep it up! You're my go to info content creator.

Hey Gigabeef and friends. A cost analysis I WISH people would take more into consideration is the total cost of getting to a kill in the first place with rounds, as well as overall kit consideration. Ignoring the increase in survivability (and heck maybe even the weight of extra rounds and mags), I think the total cost from moving up rounds isn't as bad as people think, and let me explain why. My most comfortable example is sniping within this wipe. I top load 61 like you suggest on typically m62 mags, sometimes m80 if I'm being frugal. Because of this, I feel very confident to use just 5 round mags. This means I take in less ammo overall, proportionally more is in my container, and also having 3 mags in total weighing less. I feel like such a limit isn't so bad because m61 can typically two tap. I work on the presumption I'm not having a bad day because if I miss, its not like the rounds matter in the first place anyway. So in my example of rocking 3 mags, a couple m61, with m62 below, and a '93 in the chamber thats about 30k+ roubles (presuming '93 ~5k), if you compared that to 3 10-rounders top loaded with maybe an m62 or two thats at least 15k before a round in the chamber. 15k, especially when considering you can just drop one ergo on a grip to make up for that does not seem like as big of a deal because proportionally its only double the cost of your total ammunition, when the cost of m62 roudns indiviually appears to be over 4x times as much (and 7x for m61). As well as this, if you presume most kills you're getting with 2-3 shots of m62 and 4 shots with m80 the cost comparison is at most 4k vs at least 1.2k to achieve a kill, it might be about 3 times as much but again its not as steep as the 4 times greater cost suggests. A very 'extra' consideration is also more rounds equal more durability burn, but that might be me overthinking things now so I'll stop there! Hopefully this makes sense, I know its not my job to give clear aruegments (when compared to your videos it shows!). Where suitable I would love to see this kind of added consideration in future videos where its appropriate!

Thanks so much for this video gigabeef! This was something I've been wondering a lot about myself. However after seeing the data I must say that personally I think it's not worth it at all, for multiple reasons. The main one being that it's just too little a stat improvement over M80 to justify the significantly higher cost. I'd rather run M80 a few times on some more budegety raids and spend the saved money on M61 for more serious raids, because M61 ist just THAT good. A(n almost) guaranteed 2 hit-kill to the chest, what more could you ask for. For example: M80 = 300 roubles M62 = 1.200 M61 = 2.400 (once wet job 6 is complete) For 10 M62 raids, you'd spend 12.000 roubles (times average number of rounds fired). I'd rather go on 6 M80 raids and 4 M61 raids for 6*300 + 4*2.400 = 11.400 roubles. And still have some change left. Plus this is assuming that I'd be running exclusively M61 in those raids. Realistically I'd of course mix my mags similar to what you described, resulting in probably closer to 3 M80 raids and 7 M61/M80 mix raids. Both M80 and M61 are just really really REALLY good for their price, while M62 is only okay. Plus I don't like tracers in general as I think the increased risk of being spotted because of them is just not worth it. For me there's only really 1 use case for M62, and only if I have some lying around that I looted from another player: If I'm going into a raid with a medium probability of getting into a close range fight where I might have to spray, to utilize the recoil reduction. If I'm expecting a low probability (e.g. cause I'm going sniping) I don't wanna be spotted because of the tracers, and if I'm expecting a high probablity (e.g. Factory or D2) I'm not going in with a .308 gun anyway as there are many others better fit for the job. Customs is a map where I might play M62 for example, because there are both close range fights (crackhouse, dorms) as well as higher range engagements to be had.

The price matters less with 7.62x51 since you rarely dump more than 10 rounds to kill people. SMG AP costs like $8 a round and you definitely mag dump people with 9x19 and 45 in comparison.

With the SR-25 and M1A banned from the flea I have been running the Ash-12 a lot. PS12B is 300 rounds per reset at under ₽700 a round. Yeah it’s not as good at long range because it’s subsonic, but my god does it hit like a truck.

I was just struggling with this choice. Thank you for making the video.

Thank you so much for this! I was wondering this all week

You say a lot and you say it all quickly, and I appreciate that. But it would be absolutely golden if you gave us a TLDR up front.

I actually rather needed this information, I have been experimenting with using the .308 ammo this wipe for certain things, and when I get the chance, it's been going well

Great video. I split probably every good ammo in my mags and just pack them works great like you said

Love the vids as always.

Great info in this vid as always

As someone who mains snipers and DMR's, I find that since most helmets are lvl 3-4, M80 works out for me. If I'm sniping and I hit the throax, the guy usually gets to cover and I reposition. That, and sniping with a tracer is a bad idea in my opinion. It is very hard for someone to know where they get shot from after a single impact. If I'm shooting M62, the tracer can give away what direction I am in. The M61 craft is god tier, as I often find Hawk GP in stashes and helix's are in toolboxes and such. If I'm bringing an M1A, I bring M80. If I 'm bringing a DVL, I bring M61. I start the M61 craft pretty much every time I go to bed, and I've almost got half an ammo case of the stuff.

i always just looked at m62 as the tracer version of m80.. I like to pack my night raid mags with m62 every 3 - 4 round... similarly, if I'm running an 556 full auto, the last 5 rounds of my 855a1 mags will be 856a1, in case I lose track of where im at in the mag, as sometimes in heated battles you end up reloading mid fight a few times..

Now you’ve got me excited for this armor damage video that I can sense on the horizon. If you actually figured out what armor damage does and how it all connects to the bullet’s stats, that’s gonna be nuts and may even change the meta.

Wonderful stuff as per MrBeef.

You shound definately make a video with tips on how to level up sniper skill and unlock m61, unless you aren’t already working on one!

I always just buy the m61 every restock, so whenever im not using 762x51 or using m62 instead of m61, im always stocking up on m61 so I can use it whenever I want without worrying about running out. Yes over 2000 roubles a round is expensive, but you guaranteed 2 shot thorax and 1 shot head, so its well worth it and you dont really burn through it because no matter what you cant tank 61. An enemies kit will always be worth more than very few m61 rounds you use to kill them, geared or not. I think people should stop focusing on price so much unless its absurd like 9000 per round or something like that, you can go in a scav factory match and just extract with the scav's kit alone at it will be worth enough to buy you a mag of m61!

3:45 nice

do you remember when we could sell our FIR thicc item case, become super rich and use an actually usable SA58 full-auto with drums of m62 because it was cheap ? good times.

M80 is perfectly sufficient imo. 62 is if I'm really feeling REALLY SLIGHTED that day!

Great video watched the whole thing

I now have over a thousand rounds of M61s in the stash, I just use the income from the bitcoin / super water / grenade case / green powder craft to either buy or get the material to craft them over time. Until I have so many M61s, I found there to be little reason to use 7.62x51s in semi/bolt action rifles, the new SV98 has excellent stats, with cheap SNB access, and likewise with an SVD, the rounds hit so much harder than M80s while being very cheap. Sticking to the topic though. M62s is something I absolutely never use, for me it's the BCP FMJ early wipe, then it's M80 all the way, finished off with M61s in the end. For me the extra 3 pen trade for giving your position away is the worst deal ever, even if I get an extra 10 pen with M62s, unless I'm going to factory with an MDR on full auto, I might still not consider using it for that reason given the majority of people still only wear level 4 helmets where M80 is sufficient to pen.

Suggestion for future videos like this: If it kills garuenteed on 4, make it 100% kill chance for 4, 5, 6 shots. Its confusing to see 53% to kill on 4th shot, while in reality you're garuanteed to die on the 4th

I really like to use M62 in weapons like the SCAR-H (any full auto), because fully modded the gun feels like an 50 recoil akm with M62 loaded, which i highly prefer to the m80 'shoot in the ceiling' feel

Sniping or dmr work gets m62, closer range dirty fighting gets m80.

I zeroed a guy's class 6 thor on labs yesterday with m62 in what felt like 4 shots. I think with m80 there's a good chance I lost that fight. Just real application and what not. Avid m62 MDR enjoyer

m62 do be kinda expensive

night raid I never take m62, get spotted pretty fast. , if you play alot of wood, m80 also perform well and you want to go for headshot anyway. the ammo is forgiving enough due to its being 1/4 the price of M62 and also promote trigger discipline for anyone understanding the limitation of going for thorax/stomach shots. For CQB, an SA-58 and Scar-H being 20 rounders m80 is scary stuff. regardless of the outcome of the fight. I would not want to be on the receiving end of 20 m80 rounds, i would be hurt bad. anything they manage to hit on my body is gone. Arm 60 , leg 65, stomach 70.

Hi an idea struck me while watching your condor ricochet video, why not for future data collecting videos use more than one partner to test the armour/bullets or other stuff if i am not mistaken you could use more than 1 other pmc partner in offline coop and thus reducing the time needed to restart the raid, i really appreciate what u are doing and keep on going you are great!!!

i dont even touch sniper rifles until i can craft m61. its just the only ammo that is reliable for long range shots. like there are alot of situations where you can get 400+ meter shots on lighthouse and the lower tier ammos just cant penetrate at that range. but m61 always works

Load 10 M62s then top up with 10 M61, in combat as soon as you start to see tracers it’s time to reload

I’m still gonna run a 9x18 sp6 kedr. Pen doesn’t matter when it comes to legs

For Pmcs m61 is my go to ofc but I dont want to use m61s on scavs/raiders etc. This is why i use .338 fmj or svd (ps or snb) for sniping

Thanks for doing the math that I never want to do! I just use m61 because I'm rich and only use bolt actions lol. If I bring a DMR into raid I will probably use m62 for the close up effectiveness.

mayb the algo gods bless you! thank you!

if people are running around in tier 6 armor you can also assume that they are running stims like propital that will be passively healing them. m80 will not kill on the 4th shot in this scenario.

If am using m80 more than likely am keeping distance and going for headshots or mag dumping cuz they are right on top of me, I really haven't noticed a difference between it and m62 besides everyone am shooting at knows am using m62 cuz of the tracer, But there is a massive difference between it and M61 so if u can't or don't have M61 just use M80 ur still going to drop whoever ur shooting at

If I'm running hi caliber I'm mainly going to aim for longer range engagements, I feel like recoil makes it less than ideal for anything else.

Before I watch this video, I’d like to say I use to think m62 was miles ahead of m80, I knew m80 was good, but I thought m62 was the “tracer step down” from the m61 similar to how M856A1 is to M855A1, but just recently I looked at a ammo chart for 7.62x51 and I was absolutely shocked when I saw the pen difference, M61 can pen class 6 while M62 is right next to M80 in the 40’s for pen... for the cost of 12$ per round of M62 instead of 3$ for M80 I’m going to say no, I don’t think M62 is worth it at all, if you would have asked me this before seeing the ammo chart I would have believed you if you told me M62 had above 50 pen and was a considerable upgrade over M80, but that simply just isn’t the case. Now to see if you agree with me in your video :)

I think the dude who shot my exfil two times with M80 and lost his reap-ir might know better now

Meanwhile, my SVD weights above 8kg xd but i usually pick slots with lying positions

I've had too many M80s eaten by class 4 helmets sniping from Sniper Rock into Lumber Mill. If I'm running the M700 AICS it can be top loaded with loose M61. SNB is pretty much the king of full powered rifle rounds. Not locked by any quest, cheap to buy, even cheaper to craft.

I don't get the bit about m61 being too expensive to craft, by the time I can craft m61 I have already looted enough of the materials to craft a few hundred rounds which gives me time to loot more materials to craft more, and by that time I'm usually rolling in rubles that I'll never be able to spend all of so even if I have to pay to craft or buy more it doesn't bother me, all the while I am building up a healthy stock of FiR m62

Ill swing for m62 for boltys but otherwise idt its worth 4x the price. Also, not exactly relevant to the contents of the video but how insane is it that ap 6.3 costs 3x as much as m80

U should consider whether your gun is suppressed or not. When shooting unsuppressed I would take m62 since my position is already compromised from the loud shooting, while m80 could make players struggle that much more to find your position if you're using a suppressed gun.

I would say no, cause they are tracers, and you can spot someone using it before getting killed off.

*Laughs in .338 FMJ*

Great comparison. But an idea from me as a stylechoice. instead of giving only the chance to kill in X hits you could also give the overall chance to kill. E.g. : 1hit 0% 2hit 20% 3hit 35% 4hit 40% would become 1hit 0%(0%), 2hit 20%(20%), 3 hit 35%(55%), 4hit 40%(95%). Since the accumulated chance to kill is the final information we need to judge.

Only use M62 if I'm going to pass by some heated CQC PVP areas, like Dorms, or D2 in reserve, and I always put it in something automatic like a SCAR or a MDR, and even then, onlyt he top half is M62, the bottom is M80. For sniping, M80 is king. Good damage, good pen, good speed, not a tracer. I already killed so many people on Lighthouse sniping Rogues because of tracers it's not even funny. And sniping at over 200m is somewhat rare unless you're farming Rogues, or you're a hardcore Woods/Shoreline sniper, so I don't see a reason to worry about it. That, and I rarely get ricochets because I tend to aim for the lower face, not the middle of the head

the thing that turns me off about m62 is obviously the price. why buy that when i can buy lapua FMJ for double that price?

Having 3000 bullets of M61... I think I should just use M61 :D

It’s so annoying how bp is so much better than even m80 I feel like and can literally put it in a sks

A ulach ate an m80 i sent it at 150m. I use m61 for sniping and m62 for everything else.

M62 is a must late while.

M62 isn’t worth it imo. At 5x the cost for being 1-2 shots better isn’t worth it. Plus you give yourself away with tracers. If you’re running an expensive enough kit you’re worried about it. Just run m61 if it’s a budget kit. Shot 2 more times with m80

m62 is kinda better but since i only snipe using it often gives me away if i miss the headshot so i avoid it like the plague.

M80 bounces of helmets consistently. Never seen such bull. I rely on chest shots when using m80.

Game is hard. It's always best if you're a noob/mediocre player to take better ammo and and take every slight advantage that you can get. Making money is easy in this game so people really shouldn't complain about the cost difference. I know when I first started playing and losing close gun fights, I'd always regret not using better ammo when I was able.

idk about you but when i run M80 it takes 4-5 shots hit count to the thorax

You know that the game has become stale, if these calculations are more exciting than gameplay ^^

New to tarkov. Can someone explain to me why it took 4 shots to the chest on a scav with no armor. M80 round

i just come here because i killed a guy that was using m62, the only reason i got the kill was because i saw where the tracer came from, if he was shooting m80 then he might of survived the raid.

Just for the recoil reduction m62 is the best

Video idea: test out layered armor and see if it has any affect compared to one or the other

My stock of M62 is way more than M80, so I often use M62.

Dude I literally shot an m62 at a fucking t3 6b helmet and it ricocheted

73 vs 92% chance to pen a ulach, after learning that, I’ll never touch m80 again

What this is showing me is bp is the way to go

Some idiot dumped 80 m80 and 23 m993 rounds on a hidden stash to make room for repellent

Idk. Its all about shot placement imo. I value having something that can one tap players and that depends on running the right gun and ammo for the scenario. Warmageddon is cheaper than dirt and kills just as easily with a one tap to the good old head eyes as any round. If you are going to spray and pray i guess the higher armor pen rounds will be beneficial but in the end the ammo base dmg is all that matters when you hit unarmored targets(faces, limbs). Bad marksmanship skill can be compensated with armor pen i guess but if we are worried about price points we can go with the cheap alternative every time. If you have a minmax mentality every point increase counts from gun stats to ammo stats. Every slight advantage makes a meta player meta. I run trash and if i lose my gear and ammo so be it but the risk/reward is worth it to me. I feel extra happy when i kill someone with my shitty ammo and see their gearset being extra sweaty. I doubt they enjoy seeing warmageddon or fmj on their deathscreens either.

As a solo and esp a night rat I just can't trust tracers. Even during the day I notice enemies seemingly spotting my location much faster when I shoot them with tracers, even from a bush

Okkk

I won't run M80, it's just not worth it. Just wait for M62/M61 or run something else. You also have to consider the price of the weapon as well. Whatever is shooting M80 isn't cheap unless it's a bolty. Sure it might take a little to unlock it but there's nothing worse than beating the hell out of class 4 armor just to get shotgunned down.

What is the game name ??

M80 vs BP

I think for the price gap the m62 should be wayyyyyy better

I’ve come to be an M80 enjoyer as I don’t really see that much if a difference and the tracer is a big downside depending on situation

m993 only

as is usual the real question imo is why you'd run m62 when bp is the same price and why you'd ever run m61 when bp is cheaper. part of what makes m80 great is it's a great bridge between ps and bp

I think realistically in my opinion just use bp

Bruh, wipe just started like yesterday. How are y'all so far ahead

M62 = M80 + tracer

Late in the wipe, only newbs use M80s. Don't be a noob.

Why does everyone think that the trooper and slick armors are strong? Or any armor that protects thorax only for that matter? Go ahead and wear a slick I can still two shot you with 7m buck with stomach shots which c'mon that is was easier to hit than the head. I would rather wear a korund or an AVS versus a hex or slick. That stomach protection helps a lot

I never had a problem with running m80

useless video 🤡 all bullets dont function as intended, didnt even talk about the m62 recoil aswell lmao