Is “Moonshot Pact” dead? | Steenhuisen, DA, IFP, ANC-EFF coalition, KZN, Multiparty Charter

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In today’s episode, we are joined by guest analyst, Lukhona Mnguni, who unpacks whether the Multiparty Charter (Moonshot Pact) is an ambitious project. Is there prospect of new coalitions forming outside the pact after the election day?
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3. 2024 elections
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00:00:00 - Introduction
00:01:08 - Multiparty Charter
00:16:34 - ANC-EFF
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@LawrenceNqheku Ай бұрын

Excellent analysis 👌🏾

@mrfortnitenatara2775 Ай бұрын

Fresh perspective on complex issues 👌🏾

@trza100 Ай бұрын

Great analysis, enjoyed watching this.

@niccigubb400 Ай бұрын

Is it productive, for the post-election period, for the EFF to be turned into a boogeyman by the MPC (particularly the DA)? This could be critical to how coalitions negotiations play themselves out and whether the outcome is best for South Africa. Useful, critical insights Lukhona (as always!) 😊🎉

@kuhlemahlangabeza6639 Ай бұрын

It's OFFICIAL: This is where brilliant analytical minds of the Natives congregate... I am not sure where Dr. Mpofu-Walsh is taking this platform. But it's fast become an INSTITUTION.

@mzekenamanjearistokasi6832 Ай бұрын

True Story. Ayeye!

@PivotPoint007 Ай бұрын

Im Pro Pan Africanism

@renengwenya8685 Ай бұрын

Interesting analysis indeed! Citizen gullibility can decrease with year long dedicated citizen education/ democracy education. We have to activate 'each one, teach one' and enable critical thinking communities and citizens. "Free the mind, free the land."

@ziphocele150 Ай бұрын

Something can't die if it was never alive😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣🤣🤣🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂😂😂😂😂🤣

@mkmlombi969 Ай бұрын

Camagu🙌🏾❤️

@vincentsavary16 Ай бұрын

There is also no discussion of the rationale of preparing a coherent government post ANC, clearly skewing the picture as mere DA power play, quite cheap guys, step up

@mfundomfeka3354 Ай бұрын

Great analysis Prof

@berniediedricks5681 Ай бұрын

❤️Love ur platform, awesome empowering and factual❤️

@bhekimokoena5281 Ай бұрын

Good analysis i salutes you✊

@christinevandermerwe-gl2sm Ай бұрын

All of them are trembling at the knees. Well done DA.

@jo-d-lo38 Ай бұрын

What you're smoking😂😂😂???

@user-md4op6ko3y Ай бұрын

We ain't smoking nothing just wait till election day DA and the Multi Party Charter all the way on the 29th of May

@TimuRexGeorge Ай бұрын

It looks the DA is trembling here I mean how could you at something that is about to lose it's majority in it's stronghold area WC

@user-md4op6ko3y Ай бұрын

@@TimuRexGeorge The DA will not loose its majority we will win the majority vote in the Western Cape despite the Moran Gayton who talks the biggest load of crap and who merely seeks Power for his own agenda just remember we have the FFP and the ACDP should we drop below the 50% you underestimate the DA we don't care about Gayton he is now our enemy with untill election day and if you don't like the way we Govern then go live in another Provence under the ANC rot DA and the Multi Party Charter all the way on the 29th of May

@allanfreedman2441 Ай бұрын

Vote DA action Sa IFP ff bosa acdp MPC

@hwpienaar Ай бұрын

The MPC get together once every week to plan. They actually DO work with a plan. They have my vote!

@veronicakarstel9126 Ай бұрын

Mine too

@MrLechesa Ай бұрын

I totally agree with you on ActionSA. What a great loss. ASA could have benefitted from the disgruntlement from former DA voters, anchoring your election prospects on the same DA is one of the most stupid political moves ever. Like I said, it would've been better to do this after elections. This AgangSA arrangement is not going to dò ActionSA any favours. It only confirms that ActionSA = DA lite. Mashaba continues to show his political immaturity

@n.m6249 Ай бұрын

I thought I was the only one who sees that mashaba is not competent as a politician

@MrLechesa Ай бұрын

@@n.m6249 I made a prediction that he will go back to business soon. Politics are going to humble him. His incompetence in that regard is already being exposed.

@nanamhla Ай бұрын

Agree too. Rise Mzansi is probably going to gain those disgruntled DA voters because of ASA ties to DA via Moonshot. But this is DA modus operandi, they did it with Agang and previously with De Lille's Independent Democrats.

@MrLechesa Ай бұрын

@@nanamhla But why didn't Mashaba learn from AgangSA? Is it maybe an issue being enforced by funders??

@veronicakarstel9126 Ай бұрын

Mashaba is a great leader

@supermanonemillion7222 Ай бұрын

*Vote DA or MPC 💙💙*

@louismzobe3073 Ай бұрын

It has always been like that, divide and rule strategy even pre 94 elections the afrikaners lured ifp to oppose anc

@StoepZulu Ай бұрын

No you lie, the ANC killed the IFP according to our real history

@MrLechesa Ай бұрын

@@StoepZuluWhat real history is that?? IFP was given guns by the Apartheid regime to wage black on black war.

@MrLechesa Ай бұрын

Who are the perpetrators of the Boipatong Massacre?? I advice that you relook at your history. That's why even today IFP is being controlled by John Steenhuizen

@StoepZulu Ай бұрын

@@MrLechesa No the IFP got guns because the ANC was already killing them when they were opposing the ANC to take the leadership reigns. Go and read wena

@MrLechesa Ай бұрын

@@StoepZulu Who was responsible for the Boipatong Massacre?? Do you know what a massacre is??

@user-pi5sx8jx1m Ай бұрын

Saying it exactly as it presents itself, politics/ politicians ,form an umbrella party. Food for thought !

@vincentsavary16 Ай бұрын

Sometimes this channel provides interesting and insightful discussions. However it is clear that it harbours very little sympathy to the DA and parties with its social and or economic stance. Deep down one can see quite a bit of condescension for the second largest political party and very rarely if ever are any of the DA's very real arguments taken seriously on this channel. A far cry from the messaging of other parties like Rise or EFF. A pity for this kind of platform aiming to lead SA in political introspection.

@Punker23 Ай бұрын

Not this channel… just this guy. He’s lost a lot of cred lately. He’s very biased for an analyst.

@MrLechesa Ай бұрын

Truth tends to sting a little bit. Point us to one thing you disagree with and engage on it according. Don't blame the Analyst or Platform.

@vincentsavary16 Ай бұрын

@@MrLechesa have a look at my seperate second comment regarding the lack of examination of the arguments given by parties to join the pact and why these would be true or false. It's stragith to this is a DA co-oping other parties which is rather disingenuous when trying to understand this phenomenon. Very little mention of the rules around how little time there is for coalition p buildikg, how this favours one party a majority and how the parties are trying to understandably preempt this issue which was raised on numerous occasions by the DA and the IFP.

@patrickthorp3816 Ай бұрын

Great comment - the amount of pro- EFF sympathy this channel generates is terrifying especially when one considers what it will mean if they take power. The ideological naivety is astounding . The unwillingness to look at the governance record of the DA and potentially educate people on their proven record is incredibly short sighted. We are voters of political parties - we do not need to be supporters - these are not football teams.Something this channel and it's supporters have yet to figure out...

@mohau Ай бұрын

The reason I'm not voting ACTIONSA is because of their involvement in the MPC

@tshepomoletsane9764 Ай бұрын

Excellent perspective on MPC, what I would have liked more information perspective on would have been VF dynamic in MPC & how it will overall increase its contribution within the fold (MPC votes internal shifts).

@siphomnguni_authorpoet Ай бұрын

This is a beautiful analysis. I'm one of the skeptical ones, at first. But how the party has grown and what they have been able to achieve in 10 years is nothing short of amazing. I now understand the party ideologically and I can definitely say they are ready to govern. Still voting PAC though...

@nanamhla Ай бұрын

These MPC guys can't even work together in the Metros. Look at Ekurhuleni, ASA brought motion of no confidence, outsted the mayor but they had no alignment with DA on who they wanted to field 🙄...that whole thing was such a waste of time and money.

@ProcaviaCapensis-ts8ub Ай бұрын

EFF can't work with ANC either.

@allanfreedman2441 Ай бұрын

Vote DA action Sa IFP ff bosa acdp IFP MPC No more corruption from ANC elite EFF VBS looters We want clean government like western Cape

@veronicakarstel9126 Ай бұрын

Voting UIM

@Rj12922 Ай бұрын

As south africans we need to stop looking at a party/politicians race and start looking at their ability to govern and lead properly. Stop making race the most important thing, its not

@kabaisekgololo7632 Ай бұрын

Race will forever be the issue of contention as long as there is a land question which is not addressed as part of the redress enshrined in the constitution. Let us stop addressing Constitution selectively.

@annecheboub1577 Ай бұрын

Wonderful logic. Super speaking voice that keeps the listener engaged. P S what about Moegoeng Moegoeng for President

@johanroelofse2506 Ай бұрын

What you say is that the DA & EFF can then also become a coalition??

@vusimkhabela5670 29 күн бұрын

One of the reasons I follow your channel Sizwe is your unbiased analysis on our politics. You then Lukhanyo, who in large parts gave an Ok analysis on possible outcomes of the upcoming elections. But notably, he does not mention MKp not even once, which then invalidates everything else he had said. You cannot talk about possible outcomes and coalitions, especially in KZN without mentioning MK. We do know how Lukhanyo feels about Pres. Zuma. However, when he comes to a platform like this one, he needs to put his feelings aside. He can reserve how he feels about Zuma when doing analysis on mainstream media.

@user-rk7qq7ek5u Ай бұрын

People are judging EFF with this thing of opening boarders. But the EFF is doing a lot its only that they are not in government Boaders are already opened but the EFF is no n power

@ProcaviaCapensis-ts8ub Ай бұрын

It would be worse if the EFF was in power.

@sizwemeyer6076 Ай бұрын

so it means EFF cannot fix our porous borders. Why should we vote for them?

@donalddavhie Ай бұрын

So much I disagree with here especially with the Western Cape. If DA falls below 50% in the province, the MPC would easily govern in that province. DA is currently polling above 50% so in the scenario it would fall below 50%, ACDP, ActionSA, IFP and VF Plus would be enough.

@thabomosima715 24 күн бұрын

On the issue of ActionSA being a part of the Multi party Charter is where I struggle with my national vote, because I feel as though the Vote for ActionSA is a Vote for the DA nationally. This is my dilemma, my decision has been made regarding regional and provincial vote.

@kuhlemahlangabeza6639 Ай бұрын

It is well and truly rivaling serious intellectual debates at INTELLIGENT SQUARED (LONDON), OXFORD UNION DEBATES and CARNEGIE ENDOWMENT (WASHINGTON DC). I maintain, Dr. Mpofu-Walsh, if he's not careful, 😒😒😒he's going to have something that is going to be the envy of the WORLD.

@iacreativemagic Ай бұрын

Once again a good analysis of the current situation in our political situation. It is time our political parties grew up, especially the DA. In coalitions no one will accept Theis BAAS mentality. They may even get less votes in this election.

@markwainwright6243 Ай бұрын

It's not baas mindset, get your facts straight

@markwainwright6243 Ай бұрын

You entitled to your own opinion

@user-md4op6ko3y Ай бұрын

The DA will win the Majority vote in the Western Cape and at worst Nationally they will get to form a very strong representative opposition the whole idea of the Multi Party Charter is to get close in the vote if not win the election the whole country is United we are sick of the ANC rot

@napstar3933 Ай бұрын

From my point of view if this Moonshot Pact/MPC is a group of several parties, why don't they couple funds together and campaign together so we can see that they are campaigning for the same thing and same interest for the better of the country as a whole? I mean DA didn't help the pact by burning a flag on their recent campaign video 🤣 but in reality, this MPC members are too different, none of them share half if not a quarter of their policies or values, the only thing they share is remove the ANC, I want to hear a different message, don't tell us what you did in 1994 and apartheid or give us unrealistic employment prospects, tell us how do you plan on fixing the current problems faced by South Africans.

@berniediedricks5681 Ай бұрын

So true thank you. Also racism is very much alive in Cape Town and I'm yet 2 c a diff😭

@Tman501 Ай бұрын

They'll never do that 😂😂 because many blacks will see right through their idea, so by these piece pieces it helps them.

@rekkabcleaningandlaundroma3580 Ай бұрын

@berniediedricks5681 You get racism all over the country because ANC are biggest racist party. The DA is only party who are the most multy races party. Just because DA is leaders included whites you see them as racists, but you're wrong.

@omnihein9322 Ай бұрын

@@Tman501... I don't mean to be rude or anything, but we shouldn't trust anything based on the skin color of an individual. The people who "see through" the MPC charter parties are the same people who vote for the ANC or "the ANC isn't corrupt, it's the white people controlling them that's corrupt, because black people can't be corrupt it's a white man's thing"(paraphrasing Malema) EFF. None of the MPC parties are perfect (in fact, i hate most of them) but they are currently the best choice we have.

@thandekamagagula299 Ай бұрын

Thank you!! I want hear something different than the ANC is horrible(which it is) but I want to know your plans.. that's why most keep on voting the ANC because the devil you know is better than the devil you don't. If they can have campaigns without saying anything about the ANC and actually tell us their plan and it be realistic, I'd be a happy voter

@mosesene Ай бұрын

We are voting for the EFF

@AYANDA261 Ай бұрын

I'm not voting for nonsense

@MrLechesa Ай бұрын

Yes we are

@mikenortje3023 Ай бұрын

You always get the govt YOU vote for it's that simple. So vote carefully.

@MBReader410 Ай бұрын

ANC IFP send like a likely coalition

@voetstoets Ай бұрын

I want a Social Democratic party...basically the ANC without all the small minded-ness, factional squabbling, digging up racism and overt corruption. Basically I want what the ANC stands for, but not the ANC. The DA gives me hives, but I vote for them because they are good administrators.

@user-tz5fl9is6m Ай бұрын

If the DA falls below 50% in the Western Cape, the FF+ and ACDP will take them over 50% plus 1 as these two parties achieved nearly 4.5% in the 2019 elections. It is highly unlikely that the DA will fall below 46% in the Western Cape.

@jo-d-lo38 Ай бұрын

I the so-called Coloureds wake up and see that they are being used, the DA can fall to under 15%.

@user-md4op6ko3y Ай бұрын

Quite agree but despite the splinter parties and the PA stabbing the DA in the back the DA will win the Majority vote and will definitely get over 50% with the FFP and ACDP

@MrLechesa Ай бұрын

Denial is what has consistently made DA fail to deal with the actual problems with the party. Let's hope 2024 will be a proper wake up call.

@chernyyvolk423 Ай бұрын

Isnt the DA that party that went to complain in the US twice, the last time they were complaining to Blinken?🤔

@StoepZulu Ай бұрын

Lmao but the ANC can invite Zanu pf ????????????

@ProcaviaCapensis-ts8ub Ай бұрын

@@StoepZulu Zanu-pf are excellent at rigging elections. join the dots.

@vincentsavary16 Ай бұрын

Isn't the ANC the party bankrolled by Russian oligarchs exploiting our natural resources 🤡 typical the pot calling the kettle black

@dineshanpillay5944 29 күн бұрын

Action SA💚💚💚

@khulekani_ndlovu Ай бұрын

I love the "tents" analogy😅😅

@simmy8701 Ай бұрын

Essentially a lot of noise signifying nothing . Voters should vote and the chips will fall where they will

@MBReader410 Ай бұрын

MPC leaders could have done much better.

@mogamatyusufmartin9171 Ай бұрын

In my view da has shot itself in the foot by what they said regarding smaller parties more specifically taking anc and eff and rise mzansi too shows that those in the moonshot pact though they agree with not wanting anc in power, they also paying attention to how DA behave themselves within the partnership and within public spaces. And this too will impact how long it will right.

@lynpetzer2746 Ай бұрын

VOTE DA...💙🙏💙🙏

@sdonagmac2293 Ай бұрын

Any MPC without EFF is dead in the water. Steenhuisen stupidly declared EFF their enemy and automatically sent EFF to the ANC. Now your doomsday predictions are coming to life. The MK/EFF/ANC will form a government of convenience if ANC loses the elections 😂😂😂

@siyabongajacobdlamini1764 Ай бұрын

16 December was again a historical day, where Jacob Zuma pot holed every political parties manifesto, moral, since that day the road to May 29 is uncertain, because i saw da papas taking premier of KZN, EFF growing significant but I'm not sure anymore, the father has came back.

@lm_b5080 Ай бұрын

most realistic option economic growth in SA is ANC 45%, MPC 35%. create grand coalition. this will be great for the Rand & welcome back investors

@MrLechesa Ай бұрын

But the MPC signed not to work with ANC🤷🏾‍♂️ does it mean they didn't think that far when they were conceptualizing their pact?? See the outcomes of being led by a Matriculant??

@thandekamagagula299 Ай бұрын

Ohhh that would be great

@ProcaviaCapensis-ts8ub Ай бұрын

@@MrLechesa Still hung up by a matriculant that has already achieved more than you ever will. Meanwhile you follow a failed woodworker. You're a joke.

@luckympeko4665 Ай бұрын

Their number 1 rule, do not work with the ANC...so your wish list is dead, but also Lukhona just told you how the MPC doesn't exist moss, forget MPC, Vuka, Vela,Vota

@MrLechesa Ай бұрын

@@ProcaviaCapensis-ts8ubthe Woodworker has post matric education now. The matriculant doesn't have the brain capacity to even get a diploma😂 that's why he's coming up with sloppy strategies. DA will not recover from the flop that is John Steenhuizen

@user-gc4cq8sp3x Ай бұрын

My vote is for the DA

@CWA851 Ай бұрын

"Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely" - Lord Acton in 1857. This statement was made in connection with people. I think we can now apply it to South African politics. One party decides to centralize the money pot which leads to corruption. Coalitions are safer for the benefit of the people and there will be more accountability.

@sikholuke4992 Ай бұрын

This pact need numbers

@hedleyfurio Ай бұрын

The DA strategy , narrative may work in Switzerland but it's so disconnected with the target audience in SA and their self confidence and hubris combined with a lack of humility does not enable co-operation with others . Hopefully when results are out and they reflect on large decline in Wester Cape , they will realise the errors made. A combo meal of Action SA and IFP , FF+ , BOSA , have the maturity , expertise and focus to take the country forward , but unfortunately not the numbers .

@user-md4op6ko3y Ай бұрын

You talk utter rubbish the DA will win the Majority vote in the Western Cape

@hedleyfurio Ай бұрын

@@user-md4op6ko3y It is just a viewpoint which may be incorrect . It pains me to arrive at this conclusion having aligned and supported since the days of Colin Eglin , Zak de beer back in the United Party days , to then PFP , then to the DA , but the inability to see their pronouncements through the eyes of a shack dweller is frustrating . Obviously they have the ability and demonstrated this in the Western Cape , but I think given the choice between DA and ANC, is way easier than with all the new entrants that provide alternatives . Just the arrogance of saying "We the DA are the ONLY party that can save South Africa " , does not land well with many , hence my remark about humility . Only time will tell and I hope im wrong and you are right

@janmoganwa5930 Ай бұрын

I am one of the people who believe EFF is the natural partner for ANC for a simple point: analysts get confused by random smokes and warning shots. The examples given of EFF working with DA at local government confuses tactic with strategy. At a national level will not be a construct of EFF and DA: national goverment is a policy stage. Local government is service delivery stage: there are not too many diverting views on provision of water. But strong different views on AA quotas. Local and nationalal politics are so different!

@markwainwright6243 Ай бұрын

It's not moonshot, it's multiparty charter, get it right

@MrLechesa Ай бұрын

It's the Moonshot Pact. A John Steenhuizen project.

@markwainwright6243 Ай бұрын

@@MrLechesa anything is better than an ANC eff pact

@MrLechesa Ай бұрын

@@markwainwright6243 After 2019 ANC and EFF represented 68%. A Pact that is based on excluding and isolating 68% of the electorate is pure stupidity. But go on

@mthunzimapatwana Ай бұрын

Dubula inyanga

@user-xn1js8kk4c Ай бұрын

The mistake that most DA voters like urself, is that, u seek to impose white political perception into naive black people. Most white liberals r not seeking what is good 4 the country as a whole, but what is good 4 white. Apartheid has proved that what is good 4 white is actually bad and dehumanizing to black people, that's y a neo colonial projects like DA seeks to undermine a project of eradication of white supremacy, by miseducation and misinformation through media and other forms. White people are duty bound to admit their mistakes, repent and help I'm building equality amongst the citizens as opposed to seeking to outmanuver the natives again.

@sbu7066 Ай бұрын

The moonshot pact is about to prove to be a dumb strategy. John will be lucky to survive as the leader of DA.

@allanfreedman2441 Ай бұрын

This show seems to be a anti DA anti multi party Charter MPC better than ANC

@MrLechesa Ай бұрын

Respond to the points raised. Which do you disagree with?

@_SMWX Ай бұрын

An Anti-Multi Party Charter show with interview guests; Siviwe Gwarube (DA), Velenkosi Hlabisa (IFP), Corné Mulder (VF+), Michael Beaumont (Action SA), Siyanda Makhubo (Action SA), Kwena Moloto (DA) all in the past 3 months right? 🤔

@luckympeko4665 Ай бұрын

I read somewhere about your signs and symptoms, they are called delusional chest pains. Did you even try to understand the analysis or your heart just tells you that MPC must work? If MPC was your last hope, then you are hopeless

@Punker23 Ай бұрын

No not the show, just this ‘analyst’

@patrickthorp3816 Ай бұрын

You spelled "Pro -EFF" wrong...

@user-ux3zb5yo7m Ай бұрын

They are all going down except action sa

@ProcaviaCapensis-ts8ub Ай бұрын

MPC won't get a majority. Nice idea but ultimately it's going nowhere.

@MrLechesa Ай бұрын

One of the rare things we agree on. It was poorly conceptualized

@luvi122 Ай бұрын

You tried to come across as giving a realistic view of the political situation but could not hide your bias against the MPC. Disappointing. I think Action SA will surprise us all with much higher support than what is envisaged. You also did not mention BOSA and Rise Mzanzi. These two parties have a very strong attraction for young, forward thinking voters who want to see this country prosper in a modern world. They are also highly likely to form co-alitions with the MPC. EFF's so called "left" ideology is completed outdated and proven to have failed in all countries where it was attempted. Show me one country in the world where Marxism worked and the people are happy and prosperous. No where. People flee from these countries to countries with a free market economy and where they can have personal freedoms. So much for your "analysis".

@sasha8664 Ай бұрын

Exactly.Smwx has a clear Bias against MPC parties and the like but try to portray Neutrality.

@MrLechesa Ай бұрын

BOSA and Rise Mzansi are not part of the MPC though, why must they be mentioned in the context of a Pre-election pact?? ActionSA and DA share a constituency, to be in a election pact with your direct competitor is unheard of. I know several people who are tired of DA but see not reason to vote ASA because of the "DA-lite" perception. Mashaba should've done what Maimane is doing. BOSA is going to eat from both ASA and DA. This Analysts presented facts. The Moonshot Pact is a still-born. They should've waited till after elections. Now DA wants to work with ANC despite making everyone else sign to not working with ANC. Who's fooling who here?? Don't be fooled

@MrLechesa Ай бұрын

The left ideology is working very well in the People's Republic of China and will be refined to suit SA conditions. EFF is guaranteed growth. The same can't be said about DA which has made it clear that it represents the wealthy and European elites. Perhaps they need to reconsider their strategies, Not EFF. 10 year old EFF and 8months old MK will govern before DA. The Dunning-Kruger syndrome will remain DA's ceiling politically.

@ProcaviaCapensis-ts8ub Ай бұрын

@@MrLechesa China only started to boom after it embraced capitalism.

@mbusosiera1648 Ай бұрын

PA,BOSA,Rise and some independents will join the Moonshot Pact after the elections, The EFF has shown interests, just like in 2016, DA called them enemy number 1 to please a certain constituency from not going to VF+ MK might want to keep the ANC out and join the Moonshot Pact, But ANC and DA funders want a DA/ANC national coalition! There will be lost of trade offs that will disappoint many voters, Making ActionSA bigger in these elections is the best solution for South Africa.

@mayormsuthu1465 Ай бұрын

Forget it MK will never join hands with the DA not in a wildest dreams.

@StoepZulu Ай бұрын

@@mayormsuthu1465 bro are you stupid, you realize helen and zuma has a great relationship🤣🤣I will bet my life that between eff and mk the likely one to join would be mk hands down🤣

@user-rk7qq7ek5u Ай бұрын

@mbusosiera1648 In my view ActionSA won't even get 5% of the votes. It is going to get less than 5%

@user-rk7qq7ek5u Ай бұрын

@@mayormsuthu1465 Agree with you 💯

@MrLechesa Ай бұрын

This prediction is void of any critical thinking. Just wishful thinking. The MPC has isolated ANC and EFF. The latter will naturally work together and form government. Prepare for a 2/3rds majority government constituted by ANC.EFF.MK.ATM.UDM.PAC

@pieterjordaan73 Ай бұрын

DA and Multi Party Charter to rescue and save South Africa and its citizens

@georgenyamani8393 29 күн бұрын

if I may say .Save this podcast.

@thabelofortune Ай бұрын

#SMWX 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 #Lukhona_Mnguni #AYEYE!

@Thegema101 Ай бұрын

JJ Junior

@michealbuqa9286 Ай бұрын

EFF is best Part, we need to vote for EFF President Julius Malema he must lead this country after 29th May 2024.

@EugeneHorak3 Ай бұрын

Its a pity the moonshot pact and EFF couldnt iron out their differences. Compromizes can be difficult, but not impossible. What will most probably happen now, is that the ANC will partner up with the IFP to get 50%. But best case scenario would be an ANC minority government where some parliamentary commities are handed to the opposition, and more opposition influence in the IEC, SAHRC, FSCA, and NPA

@MrLechesa Ай бұрын

Iron what out?? 1. DA declared EFF public enemy no. 1. Not ANC 2. Moonshot Pact have signed to particularly exclude the EFF. 3. EFF on the other hand has declared numerously that its willing to work with all opposition to unseat ANC. Only 1 party needs to sort out its arrogance

@ProcaviaCapensis-ts8ub Ай бұрын

It depends on how low the ANC drops. They may find that a coalition with the IFP plus some smaller parties won't be enough. They may be forced to select EFF , MK or DA. The only thing that is certain is that there is a lot of uncertainty around the future.

@mogalematsose Ай бұрын

What underpins the 2024 elections is the interests of the capitalist class. They have invested heavily to fund political parties because the South African economy can not continue benefiting a few. To hold on to the current structure of the economy the capitalists want the pro free market parties to win by all means

@ProcaviaCapensis-ts8ub Ай бұрын

@@MrLechesa The EFF is working with the ANC in Gauteng metros. Only 1 party needs to sort out it's flip flops.

@davidlungu5215 Ай бұрын

Correct, 2024 elections is very tricky, Watching from Zambia 🇿🇲 @@ProcaviaCapensis-ts8ub

@Psciyentist Ай бұрын

The ANC is gonna offer up provincial power so that it can maintain national power. We, the registered must just give our preferred parties the numbers. Personally, the ANC-DA, are not an option for my vote.

@johbracket2714 Ай бұрын

'was contaminating the DA with political leprosy, i do not know...' 🤣🤣🤣

@berniediedricks5681 Ай бұрын

Western Cape is up 4 grabs we r battling with racism, which was abolished in 1994, and this NEEDS 2 END, it's undercover Apartheid Laws😭🇿🇦South Africa 30yrs democracy free from Apartheid❤️

@ProcaviaCapensis-ts8ub Ай бұрын

Yes , it's time to get rid of all race based laws. You can't expect to get rid of racism if you have different rules for different races.

@MBReader410 Ай бұрын

A coalition containing DA and EFF would be unsustainable. They are too far apart. Unless the EFF manifesto is not meant to be taken seriously.

@MrLechesa Ай бұрын

Why must the EFF manifesto be the one to be compromised?

@patrickthorp3816 Ай бұрын

The EFF shouln't be taken seriously - the party is a joke full of flip floppers. Suddenly Julius has discarded his overalls and is wearing suits.

@moosankocee2123 Ай бұрын

@@patrickthorp3816 sponsored views from the state of the nation podcast, try to be original at least.

@MrLechesa Ай бұрын

@@patrickthorp3816 Did he sign an agreement with you that he would wear overalls everywhere he goes? Last I checked that was for Parliament

@patrickthorp3816 Ай бұрын

@@MrLechesa A comment attempting to deflect the truth?

@user-md4op6ko3y Ай бұрын

When the counrty unites come election day the Multi Party Charter have a goid chance at worst become a very effective opposition Party

@mondek5482 Ай бұрын

Competition is healthy we dont need a big group of homogeneous parties. It won't Take SA forward. Each party has their own policies, represent their own constituencies. They have a common theme of understanding should nobody obtain a majority they will have to work together to form a government within 14 days. So the MPC makes alot of sense since our constitution doesn't allow adequate time for the formation of an effective government. By having a pre election agreement allows these parties to know where they stand and hit the ground running. Otherwise we end up these ANC-EFF-PA cobbled together coalitions where there is no direction headed by puppet mayors. Perhaps you have a better solution if you can criticise the MPC efforts to formalise a pre election aggreement. Lastly the EFF's best match is MK but EFF is an opprotunist party willingbto work with anyone to have power. They love a king maker role no different to PA.

@berniediedricks5681 Ай бұрын

EFF have the ears of the students, they want equality, we c them protesting worldwide 4 🇵🇸Palestiane, they r OUR HOPE🇿🇦SOUTH AFRICA 30yrs democracy free from Apartheid❤️

@MrLechesa Ай бұрын

@@kwyaza What policy in particular??

@ronnie2462 Ай бұрын

@@MrLechesa Expropriation without compensation - you cannot expect any outside investment with a policy like that

@biko8229 Ай бұрын

@@ronnie2462 Are you talking about the same investors that are aware that apartheid was a crime against the humanity of black South Africans who still suffer from land hunger in their own country?

@MrLechesa Ай бұрын

@@ronnie2462 So these investors would much rather 72% arable farmland remain in the hands of 10% of the population and maintain colonial times land ownership patterns?? Interesting investors. Are they by any means the same people that funded apartheid?!

@ProcaviaCapensis-ts8ub Ай бұрын

@@biko8229 Investors care about money , not much else. As a by-product , they create jobs , which is SA's No. 1 priority.

@Punker23 Ай бұрын

The more I listen to this guy the more it seems he is ANC.

@MrLechesa Ай бұрын

Listen more. Nothing pro-ANC about this guy

@craig6924 Ай бұрын

Why you so blatantly anti DA and biased against MPC

@SoultyBoiBeats Ай бұрын

DA automatically let ANC win, i thought they are smart

@MrLechesa Ай бұрын

Not when your leader only has a matric. The level of thinking has decreased alot since John took over.

@rekkabcleaningandlaundroma3580 Ай бұрын

It's the PA that will let ANC win as they fight the wrong party which is the DA. The DA is not making these draconical laws.

@MrLechesa Ай бұрын

@@rekkabcleaningandlaundroma3580 by Draconical laws to you mean pro-transformation laws? DA is so racists, there's literally two worlds where it governs. If it cared for all people, they wouldn't be threatened by the likes of PA

@ProcaviaCapensis-ts8ub Ай бұрын

It's the voters that are making the ANC win. They either stay away or repeatedly vote for the party that has failed them.

@user-xf1jx2dy9y Ай бұрын

Politics of deception

@katenkosi1389 Ай бұрын

The Eff deserve the power to unite black people ✊✊

@rekkabcleaningandlaundroma3580 Ай бұрын

Man,you're wrong in any firm, company there's someone or somebody who lead that.

@mamaumomalematsa7365 Ай бұрын

This guy is an ANC

@siphoth Ай бұрын

Lol I know the guy from his days at UKZN as a student, him and Khaya Sithole very strong ANC supporters 🤣 now turned political analyst

@NinohBrown Ай бұрын

Well most black people do trace their political past to the ANC, wether its Julius Malema, Dali Mpofu, Holomisa, Floyd Shibavu, Mashaba etc

@KNathi1 Ай бұрын

That's not surprising. Most black people trace their political roots to the ANC or IFP. That does not mean he can't also be a brilliant analyst.

@NinohBrown Ай бұрын

@@KNathi1 even IFP traces its roots to the ANC its a breakaway party, Gatya Buthelezi was ANC youth league president

@KNathi1 29 күн бұрын

@@NinohBrown I didn't know that about Gatya. I understand mf2.

@helpermlekeleli8057 Ай бұрын

Phakathwayo, the hater of Zulu people in general and Jacob Zuma in particular

@MrLechesa Ай бұрын

There's absolutely nothing about Zuma or Zulu people that was mentioned here. Just pure, accurate and unbiased political commentary. Next time listen 1st before commenting

@helpermlekeleli8057 Ай бұрын

@@MrLechesa who said I commented on what was said? You need to learn to read for comprehension. An observation is not the same as a response and an observation is not triggered by hearing, it is triggered by sight.

@siphiwembiyela3886 Ай бұрын

@@helpermlekeleli8057I know him very well umnguni usalwa izimpi zokhokho yena 😅😅😅

@revelationpowerhour9149 Ай бұрын

😂😂😂EFF propaganda We know what the multiparty is. Start with EFF cardinal pillars and tell South Africans the truth.

@thebereanevangelist8389 Ай бұрын

it's 50+, not 50 + 1 guys

@MrLechesa Ай бұрын

It's 50% +1

@darlingtonmachilar6745 Ай бұрын

You can’t talk about the South African politics without including the MK party

@MrLechesa Ай бұрын

Wait! MK will be talked about after elections. Not everyone is drunk on the vibes around the party. We've seen this before. They still need to be tested Nationally, but after that they will have a bigger test called Time to go against

@thamsanqagamede528 Ай бұрын

in Gauteng MPC will get 50+1 without the eff

@Tman501 Ай бұрын

Wake up and smell the coffee 😂🤣

@KNathi1 Ай бұрын

Libala.

@thamsanqagamede528 Ай бұрын

the thing about the gauteng people is, we dont marry to old ideas, its easy for us to change directions, we trend setters and movers of these beatiful nation.

@MrLechesa Ай бұрын

What will be the % breakdown of the MPC parties in Gauteng according to you?

@0761ZoRO Ай бұрын

Somebody please shake him out of this cruel dream😂

@sasha8664 Ай бұрын

"Coalition of Doom captured"Analyst.

@charlesmiller-pk8hd 27 күн бұрын

A little bit of bias???

@johnmagana7682 Ай бұрын

lukhona shave man ai 🙄 look presentable ai. you preaching here but you not neat

@TshepoMotale-zq9sd Ай бұрын

Whites, Caucasian , Afrikaner the farmers Indians , South African Jews live Zionism for some time now LETS JOIN HANDS AND VOTES EFF TO POWER AND WORK TOGETHER TO resolve THIS CONTINENT problems 🙏🤝🙏🤝🙏🤝🙏🤝🙏🤝🙏🤝

@andrewswales1042 Ай бұрын

What do want reform? Your people broke everything. Now you want to become communist 😅...

@louiseroderick9910 Ай бұрын

EFF is a black racist party.

@garethcupido9150 Ай бұрын

Jeez is smwx campaigning against the mpc. I thought this show is about objective analysis. Seems the show is captured by Sizwes father's party.

@MrLechesa Ай бұрын

What from the analysis do you disagree with??

@garethcupido9150 Ай бұрын

I disagree with the one sidedness of the analysis. I politics there will never be a 100% right or wrong decision, each moves has pros and cons. The analysis here only talks about the possible draw backs to the mpc, and pretends that there are no positives. One positive of not forming one large party as what is being proposed here is that the electorate still feel that they get to vote for a party that share their ideals even if that party operates within a collective. The collective moves toward and shares an overarching goal, but my political formation in that collective argues for our manifesto positions. This analysis is only negative and seeks to discourage those that would like to vote for the mpc and acting like the alternative which is to negotiate after elections is the better alternative, which we have seen play out in the guateng metros. If parties negotiate after elections there is no certianity around how the goverent will be structured and it becomes a frantic negotion to constitute some sort of government, whereby smaller parties which have significantly less of a mandate by voters end up making massive political deciosn through their king making agenda. All I'm saying in a nut shell is that there are pros and cons and all I hear is cons, thus an slanted and biased analysis of the mpc to dissuade voters.

@MrLechesa Ай бұрын

@@garethcupido9150 So you don't disagree with anything raised. You just wish they could add more positives . . .

@allanfreedman2441 Ай бұрын

Wrong views or opinions expressed or insights

@ProcaviaCapensis-ts8ub Ай бұрын

A view different to yours is not necessarily wrong. Try to be a bit more open minded even if you disagree.