Is Organic Food Worth the Cost for Athletes? - Ask a Cycling Coach Podcast 470

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(0:00) Welcome!
(0:35) Should athletes eat organic, and how can you do it affordably?
(21:31) Tips on washing vegetables
(22:55) Alex’s tips on how to interpret a food label
(35:43) Meal suggestions for athletes
(56:30) Postpartum nutrition changes
(01:07:05) Who should and should not eat high carbohydrate diets?
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- Greek yogurt with oats and fruit. (overnight oats)
- Oatmeal made with a high protein milk
- Egg muffins made with veggies, eggs, and meat. Cook in muffin tin. Large batch and freeze.
- Smoked salmon sandwich w/fruit
- Rotisserie chicken with quinoa and greens (bagged salad kits work great!)
- Air fry Pita bread with favorite pizza sauce and lean meats and veggies for toppings. Side of greek yogurt for extra boost of protein, if needed.
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- DIY Chipotle bowl with rice, black beans, lean meat, bell peppers, corn, salsa, shredded cheese
- Sheet pan meals: Roast chicken breast or pork loin chops on a sheet pan in the oven. Baked potato or sweet potato stabbed with fork in microwave for a few minutes.
// RESOURCES MENTIONED
- Alex Larson Nutrition: alexlarsonnutrition.com/
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- “Are organics more nutritious than conventional foods? A comprehensive systematic review”, Oliveira Faoro, et al., 2024: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...
- “Limitations in the evidential basis supporting health benefits from a decreased exposure to pesticides through organic food consumption”, Mesnage et al., 2020: www.sciencedirect.com/science...
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@SamWoodward 3 ай бұрын

This podcast is a little misleading for people regarding organic. Yes, big Ag farming's nutritional content will be the same as big Ag conventional (soils devoid of micronutrients from years of farming mono crops; just drive through central Cali to see this on a huge scale) as they are not practicing proper rotation, regenerating soil with their own composts, companion planting and are not using Integrated Pest Management techniques (hand picking, using beneficial bugs, etc.) . I could go on and on with examples of how different locally grown small farm (organic or not) is different from "organic" big Ag. And yes, I did go to college for this subject. And the comment on washing veg with a drop of bleach not being a good idea. Does Alex know that US chicken is bleached? I agree that eating conventional vs organic should not stop people from eating produce at all, but the lack of nuance is a little disappointing to me. Buy local, in season and freeze that stuff. Eat with the seasons. It's way cheaper.

@user-vh2qr7dc5x Ай бұрын

Source!!!!!!!!matters

@jstogdill 3 ай бұрын

Are people expecting significant nutritional differences in organic? Assuming that an organically labeled product is actually organic (a whole other thing) the point, I think, is harm reduction from trace amounts of insecticide, hormone additives, etc.

@RyanYates 3 ай бұрын

Also the environmental damage. neonicotinoid pesticides nearly led to a total collapse of bee colonies in North America

@user-fy7ri8gu8l 3 ай бұрын

It's a sham. There are no statistically significant differences between the groups in terms of medium-and long-term health outcomes. Where there are absolute differences, there's a higher absolute incidence of cancer in organic food consumption groups. People believe that the insecticides they use are 'natural' and that magically, they're less harmful or poisonous. This is a fantasy. Where it does anything, it addresses some, albeit important, niche environmental issues while pretending to address the broader lot. It even plugs itself into some other rather disturbing practices in the 'up-cycling' wastes-farming ecosystem, i.e. much higher support of factory farming buying their downstream wastes for fertilizers. It drives up the price of food many times over the conventional price and makes us less food secure. It's a product, like any other, and one that really fails to deliver much but higher costs.

@user-vh2qr7dc5x Ай бұрын

Yes if it's a small farm that practices biodynamic farming And mineralizes the soil . It's way more nutritious Most farms are absolutely horrible As they just don't regenerate the soil.

@adamlaw5002 3 ай бұрын

Should also be made clear what's allowed in the US is not the same as elsewhere thus rendering the classifications a bit of a mixed bag.

@TrainerRoad 3 ай бұрын

This is a great point! Thanks, Adam.

@radmongi1596 3 ай бұрын

I’m TR’s biggest fan but I was shocked by this podcast. I understand that not everyone can afford or even get organic. I understand that that the nutritional value isn’t any different (was that really a debate that I missed?) and I understand that conventionally grown products may not contain significant amounts of toxic chemicals if washed well. But…. It isn’t about the fraction of a microgram of pesticides on your apple. It is about the hundreds of millions of gallons of insanely toxic chemicals we are dumping on our planet. It is about the ground water and streams that become contaminated due to the excessive use of chemicals. It is about ALL of the smaller creatures being wiped out. The bees, amphibians, butterflies, the mouse that eats the toxic corn and then is eaten by the owl and both die, the die off of most bird species because all of the insects that they eat are either gone or poisonous, and so much more. To say publicly that your bananas go bad after a day because they are organic is obscene. Perhaps you need to shop somewhere else. My organic bananas last 7-8 days. There are several documentaries out there discussing the banana industry and the horrible, horrible health consequences that growers are forced to endure due to all the chemicals. Educate yourself! You don’t eat banana peels, so they don’t need to be organic, but it takes a special kind of person to deliberately put another human being through those conditions simply because you don’t want to pay the extra five cents. (Organic bananas taste “funny” because they aren’t covered with toxic chemicals LOL!!) You even touch on it in this pod cast and blow it off as inconsequential when you talk about how consumer micro dose of toxins are not really a factor, but yeah, those poor farmers, they will most likely die of cancer. If you can, you eat organic because it is the right thing to do for every living creature on the planet…if you can. If the bulk of society refuses to participate in Dow Chemical and Bayer’s profit model, it stops. This whole video was Me, Me, Me Me. Your team are my heroes but I am mortified that your narrow minded, Me-centric attitude comes at the cost of the future of our civilization, our children, and all the other creatures. The podcast shows everyone proudly talking about their children yet at the same time, thinking, “Sucks to be you 30 years from now.”

@user-vh2qr7dc5x Ай бұрын

These podsters don't have a spine

@davidv6803 3 ай бұрын

looking forward to this, and appreciate that it's already up on Apple podcasts (along with the last one). I enjoy watching the videos but usually listen in the car

@TrainerRoad 3 ай бұрын

Thanks, David!

@grega9220 3 ай бұрын

Toxic death by Ben & Jerry's... Speaking on unhealthy dosages, Neil deGrasse Tyson has a great discussion on this (LD50) in his book Starry Messenger. Excellent read and yet better audio book. Oh, BTW, picklebal is LIFE. ;-)

@oliveoil2x 3 ай бұрын

Great discussion. Thanks!

@davefarrell24 3 ай бұрын

Check out the latest issue of Consumer Reports on this subject. Love to hear your thoughts on their take. And yes, CR is science-based.

@user-vh2qr7dc5x Ай бұрын

Yes period although you need to vet the source you dont need vegetables mostly . All organic!

@hhansen3551 3 ай бұрын

Wow, what a rant against organically farming. It would have suited the podcast to keep it to the fact that on the nutrition side, it is hard to find any gains. But Alex Larson bring to the table that organic farms also spray the vegetables and her sources being conventional farmers. A podcast that use to highlight that they want to bring science to the table. That is not pretty

@greglee101 3 ай бұрын

Let’s get those 👍 going up up up!

@user-vh2qr7dc5x Ай бұрын

For what mis information 🤔

@ColoCX 3 ай бұрын

7:15 good point. Dr. Greger addresses many of these same organic vs. conventional points in this playlist: kzfaq.info/sun/PL5TLzNi5fYd_ETu8QLZUGijphq2qZK_wA&si=pF_yHATsD-WKL6_Y

@user-vh2qr7dc5x Ай бұрын

What are the good points ?

@CarnivoreDMD 3 ай бұрын

If you keep up with nutrition & medical publications on a daily & weekly basis, you would probably start to see that cholesterol esp LDL is unjustly demonized as is saturated fat and #1 issue is HIGH triglycerides & reducing that is mandatory then things seem to improve across the board. Some of this advice about calories is so antiquated. Eat what you are made of, not fiber, fat-protein-cholesterol water electrolytes. Don’t count calories. 😅

@jarrodgarr5218 3 ай бұрын

Raw milk definitely has a way better nutritional value than typical pasteurized milk. Russian roulette is a bit extreme. I’ve been drinking raw milk and raw keifer with no problems. Even researched it and found no major issues with it. Usually love your podcasts. This one I couldn’t even listen to the entire thing.

@user-vh2qr7dc5x Ай бұрын

Raw milk is absolutely the only real milk

@user-vh2qr7dc5x Ай бұрын

Wash your produce lol😅

@user-vh2qr7dc5x Ай бұрын

She is got to be stopped

@willdtw 3 ай бұрын

Totally misleading video. I don't know how they can be so misinformed. Besides increased risk of cancer wouldn't the pesticides seriously hurt beneficial gut bacteria? Wouldn't that hurt your immune system. Probably why I haven't been sick for almost 20 years. I think you're trying way too hard to ask the wrong questions.

@TrainerRoad 3 ай бұрын

This question is not the wrong question; it's a real question from a real person. There's a clear differentiation between scientific evidence and anecdote or logic that needs to be made with this discussion. Considering the current body of research, there consensus shows that finding either detrimental impact of non-organic, or positive effect of organic is either a) too complicated to reliably replicate in human randomized control trials, or b) not likely to result in negative heath outcomes. It's easy to logically assume organic is healthier, and following that same string of logic and scientific evidence, it seems very hard if not impossible to argue that. But this discussion is from an athlete wanting to know what the research says so they can make a decision balancing health and finances. If you have scientific evidence from human, randomized control trials, or reviews or MAs that contradict the findings discussed in this podcast, then please share the references here. But we will not simply be relying on anecdote, strings of logic, or popular narratives, to answer questions like these.

@MrDarunner1621 3 ай бұрын

@trainerroad w the mic drop. Science for the win!

@willdtw 3 ай бұрын

@@MrDarunner1621not really. It seems pretty simple to me. The studies they site have nothing to do with what poison can do to your body. Who funds the studies? The agricultural industry isn't gonna go out of their way to prove that they're partly responsible for cancer. Excessive exposure to these chemicals has been shown to cause cancer but a smaller amount is totally fine? Cancer is on the rise and it's likely that in our lifetimes it becomes the leading cause of death. Sorry to say it but unless 90% of the world takes up organic farming to feed their families there won't be enough organic fruits and veggies to go around. I've had 3 family members develop cancer and none of them ate organic food. Common sense for the win!

@jstogdill 3 ай бұрын

@@TrainerRoadit’s worth pointing out that the absence of a study isn’t the same as “no effect.” Longitudinal studies by definition take time. There are definitely open unresolved questions that may be resolved in the future. First example, we know girls are reaching puberty earlier, probably from estrogen in their diet because of hormone treatments in the food chain. Has it been proven yet? Nope. Is not proven yet the same as no effect? Nope. Which leads us to something like a Pascal’s wager for consuming organic.

@CarnivoreDMD 3 ай бұрын

Industrial pesticides are simply chemical copies of natural producing pesticides made by the plants themselves. That’s why today’s produce did not exist in its current form 100 yrs ago (except bananas) as they have been GMO’d to reduce nat plant toxins & make them look better on the shelf. 😮