I am very slightly out of focus and I have never been more embarrassed in my entire life.

You want turn-based combat, huh? *WE'LL SHOW YOU TURN BASED COMBAT!*

"Don't do that. Don't give me hope." - Arlo, on any Paper Mario news

""It's not entitlement to fall in love with a product then find yourself disappointed when a company stops producing that product." I know this is primarily a nintendo channel but [Cries in Sly Cooper]

we only want one thing Nintendo, and that is Paper Luigi and the Waffle Kingdom

"You only liked the old Paper Mario games because of nostalgia! You didn't actually like the formula!" Bug Fables: Allow us to introduce ourselves.

Can't wait for Paper Mario: Paperclip Paradigm! Only 28 more years, guys!

Pretty much agree with everything you said. This isn't quite a perfect analogy but I feel similar in regards to what happened to the Wario Land series, which died off in favour of Warioware, which aims to deliver an entirely different experience. It's a shame, Warioware is fine, but I really wish we were still getting Wario Land games.

I bet Nintendo is like, "You want RPGs? Go play Fire Emblem."

Why is Arlo so good at food analogies

Just started playing the first Paper Mario on my Wii U and I’m getting it more and more why it and the GameCube sequel are so good

I'm not sure how anyone can make the "It's called 'Paper' Mario" argument when anyone else can point out that's wasn't always its name. The series was originally named "Mario Story", with the localized name outside Japan is "Paper Mario". While the Paper Mario name has stuck over time, the series (or at least, the first two games) was not made with "paper" as a major part of the theme or gameplay. Notably, the moment they started to focus on the paper aesthetic was the moment the games veered away from the things that made the first two games so loved. So yeah, I'm certainly going to be hesitant about the game as well.

When people say "don't judge a game by its trailer," I get confused. Like, that's the whole point of promotional materials; they show you the game to get you hyped (i.e. pre judge the game positively). If advertising doesn't make me want to play a game, don't blame me. Blame the ad campaign.

Arlo (paraphrased): "It's okay to fall in love with a thing, and find yourself dissapointed when that thing stops being produced." Me, a classic Star Trek fan: Yeah...

Does anyone else find it weirdly cognitively dissonant how the flagship default mainline MARIO series of games, the 3D platformer ones, get to go completely crazy with wild crazy imaginative ideas and concepts with every game, Odyssey more than ever making every world feel like a different art style and unique inhabitants? And whenever the rare opportunity comes that a spin-off Mario game gets to pluck a little piece of them it feels like a big deal, like say if Rosalina popped up in a Golf game. But no the spin-offs that revolve around exploring Mario's world and fleshing it out at a more personal level, the RPGs, they got to stick most of all to good ol' Super Mario Bros. settings and assets and scrape what they can from them.

Just say what many people mean: we want mario rpg. It's about the RPG part, leveling up and story, not the paper. Maybe we don't communicate this enough to Nintendo.

Origami King feels less of a "hey we know what you've all been wanting!" type of game and more of a "here, now shut up" type of response

Arlo: Judges game based on marketing material literally designed to help people make a judgment about it. Fans: How dare you.

Notice how most of the bosses are "things?", Yeah they're now taking revenge because we used them as power in Color Splash and Sticker Star.

Arlo: Starts listing random game titles with a number of paper gimmicks for satire The guy at Nintendo who loves paper gimmicks: WRITE THAT DOWN EVERYONE WRITE THAT DOWN!!!!!

Trailer: Literally the one thing that's responsible to sell the product. Fans: You can't judge it based on the trailer, man. That's so entitled.

It's just really annoying as a longtime fan to see the series change so much in the last few years. Origami King may actually turn out good but I just wish the series was still the way that I and many other people loved it as

"Probably too old to care about a game series aimed at children" I'm 28 in a few months and the first and second games were my childhood. Currently playing the original on the Wii, then it's on to TTYD. I do this once every couple of years or so. It never gets old, even if I do.

I have a feeling that TOK had started before Nintendo realized that the M&L series wasn’t doing well. Bowser’s Inside Story DX was made for a dead system and it sold fewer than 30,000 copies worldwide, but I don’t think Nintendo realized that was going to happen. I think that’s why this game is still experimental, personally. I might totally be wrong, but who knows.

"Do you ever get the feeling that there are eyes all around you? Hungry ears at very turn, treacherous little fingers that prod and paw and nab little bits of your world whenever you're not looking. Then you need a VPN." I'm pretty sure you also need a licensed psychoterapist, but what do I know.

After watching ttyd clips, I now see why people hated sticker star and color splash. I really hope origami king will at least be like super paper mario. (Original characters and a good story)

Time to donate for Bug Fables 2: The Front Yard of Dreams.

I knew I had to check this comment section after this morning's bombshell

What I always disliked about Sticker Star was that it didn’t need the Paper Mario branding. It felt like Intelligent Systems could have made a new IP with the battle system but added Paper Mario just to help the game sell more. I’m sure the team at Intelligent systems is making the game they want, but this forth style should have been a new IP without needing Paper Mario attached.

Sticker Star is like if Silksong just erased everything that made Hollow Knight great and became a game about pollinating flowers.

When you say there's millions of people screaming and begging for a return, I think Nintendo is probably going to view that through the lens of "The Mario+Luigi games used classic RPG mechanics and they failed. The market just isn't there."

There was an interview released at VGC where the developers explain why they are not doing for the old direction. To make it short: They heard our complains, but they do not care. It is saddening.

You know, I never thought about how the better Paper Mario games were going for a story book look and not an actual papercraft world until you pointed that out, but shit man, you're totally right.

Oh boy I can't wait until he covers Leauge of Leg- I mean Pokemon Unite

Maybe not, 2020 Arlo. Maybe not.

Moonsprout Games really said “we’ll do it ourselves, then.”

1:25 Hey look, Mario's on a stage that's being watched by an audience, TTYD's battle system is clearly back guys -/s-

I hope we get a mode that allows you to use the Ring-Con when battling

It's a bummer that Arlo is having to defend what he says so much, he's just providing an opinion on what we can see WHICH IS A LOT! Lay off our fuzzy hero, guys.

I’d like to think Paper Mario is entering the Sonic fandom curse: inconsistent styles and qualities of a series which lead to inconsistent opinions and division of a fanbase

Imagine if Nintendo released Paper Mario: Refolded. *All Three Original Paper Mario Games* Later... *Complete Remakes of Sticker Star and Color Splash.*

At least Bug Fables has filled a lot of that void. If they can continue to make good Bug Fables games, then I'm OK with Paper Mario being a different experience

Its okay Arlo, you can rest now

I've learned to accept the fact that Paper Mario is dead. I gotta hand it to Nintendo. They taught me a very valuable life lesson. Accepting that something is gone and learning to let go. I'm letting it go.

To be honest, as someone who is actually a big fan of SS, CS, and is excited for OK I understand where you're coming from. You just simply want a franchise that has been dormant since 2007 or 2004 (It depends on if you see Super as a true continuation or not) to return from the dead. Donkey Kong may have continued to get new games after the Country series but the Country series was still dead. and likewise, when it did come back, it arguably still didn't since Returns and TF, much like Origami King, are very different games in a lot of ways. A game being different doesn't mean it's bad or low quality. It just means it's not the same. I feel the people who think you're moronic for feeling this way are missing that point. You don't necessarily want Nintendo to stop making "Paper Mario" games. You just want them to revive the "Mario Story" series. That's all you're asking for. and that is perfectly valid.

If Alpha Dream wasn't also history, then this wouldn't be nearly as important to me. Without Paper Mario, there are no more classic Mario RPGs. If they won't fix Paper Mario, can they at least revive Mario and Luigi RPGs? Actually, I bet Alpha Dream could've made better Paper Mario games than -Nintendo- Intelligent Systems.

This is disheartening. Nintendo has never been one to drop a sequel that simply uses the same mechanics as the previous title, they always have to do something "new" to their detriment. It's the reason they haven't given us a new F-Zero, because they dont know what "new" to do with the series. However, if Mario Galaxy 2's success shows them anything, it's that more of the same can be amazing! Still hoping they get it right someday and give us follow ups in the style of the original Paper Mario games we've always wanted. Cheers.

I think Nintendo makes games their own way out of spite sometimes. They hate being told what to do and how to do it

"You can't assume anything about the game by its trailer!" Buh...what are trailers for, then?

Legend has it he’s still waiting for all of you to go play Bug Fables

I'll hold on to the hope maybe someday it'll go back to its roots. To those who say nostalgia glasses, I bought bug fables and the spark for wanting og paper mario grew stronger.

Personally, I say its dead for good. And the reason is simple: Either I am right and I can't possibly be disappointed by any future reveals because any Paper Mario game getting released from Sticker Star will play like that, or I am wrong and I can only be pleasantly surprised. When you set your hopes and expectations to nonexistant, its impossible to be disappointed.

"Don't judge based on the trailers" As others have said, yeah it seems kinda silly for people to say "don't judge based on the trailer" when the entire point of the trailer is to persuade you to buy the game. But even more than that, I feel like it's a dishonest criticism because even if you waited for reviews and said "game looks weak" or bought and played the game and said "yeah I still don't like it", they wouldn't suddenly be like "Well OK, you have now acquired a sufficient level of evidence for to judge the game". They would still find a reason to call you entitled, unreasonable, whiny, or whatever ad hom. - And aside from that, unfortunately the quality of the last two games does function as evidence for the quality of The Origiami King. If you make two bad/not-great games in a row, you have a higher burden of proof to demonstrate your next game will not also be not-great. Like if you didn't enjoy Halo 4 & 5, you should probably be wary of the quality of Halo 6 even if they seem to have learned some lessons. It is totally valid and reasonable to be skeptical; probably more reasonable than looking at the trailers and assuming they've suddenly just figured everything out. - I'm not saying with any of this that The Origami King will be bad; it probably will be better than Color Splash. I'm not super sure if I'll buy it at release, but I am...somewhat optimistic about it. But I do get tired of people asserting or implying that this is a return to form, or that past criticisms of the games have been addressed. (People jumped the gun with "Partners are back!" and best, they didn't really understand WHY people wanting partners back and what that means and at worst--no, they didn't bring them back.)

"Being wrong is, like, my favorite" We love you Arlo

Whew at least bug fables exists Great timing too. So fun on switch

100% agree here. I've seen a lot of people dismiss people being disappointed, and it's always so confusing to me. Let me be sad that the thing I liked isn't what I like anymore. I also want to say: I don't mind if they use Paper gimmicks in Paper Mario. That wasn't really the issue for me. I see those as potentially really interesting if they are treated with some tact, and not just "haha we're made of paper!" Both Color Splash and Origami King have a element of darkness in them that *could* be really cool in a game like Thousand Year Door. The idea that people get the color sucked out of them, or get converted into origami versions of things has the potential to be kinda spooky/unnerving in a narrative sense if they were taken seriously. It's kind of like a kid friendly version of the concept of body horror, and it works. Let's, for a minute, imagine a game like Paper Mario where they used those two ideas, but in a less self-aware sense. Like, everything was still made of paper and the like, but it was treated like it was in the first batch of Paper Mario games. Imagine the bad bad is sucking the life-force of the population out of people to fuel their quest for world conquest, or to summon an ancient evil being visualized by the act of sucking the color out of people ala Color Splash. Imagine they took the idea of origami-ifying and treated it as this almost uncanny valley sense, where you are faced with things that look familiar, but extremely "off," ala the opening moments of the Origami King trailer. As far as I'm concerned, this could be really, really neat. You could do this with almost any paper gimmick, and if it wasn't trying to be cute/coy with the idea by making everyone talk about being creased or soggy or whatever paper term. Modern Paper Mario is too focused on being like "we all know we're made of paper, isn't that funny?" and it's distracting. There are ways to do the paper gimmick concepts well, but the Paper Mario devs/Nintendo just don't seem interested in being clever with them when it comes to games "aimed at children."

-bring it out of the dark pit *Shows Dark Pit*

Yeah. Nintendo isn't going to give us what we want on this. But we can move on now. Bug Fables shows that people see us and are willing to provide.

I'm with you. The moment I saw the combat and partners, as well as the rotation timer, I knew the series as I knew it was done for. I won't be getting Origami King, but at least I'm still enjoying Bug Fables.

I'M JUST GLAD THAT ORIGAMI KING HAS THESE THINGS THAT SEPERATE IT FROM COLOR SPLASH OR STICKER STAR: 1. Bowser's NOT the Main antagonist(Have someone ELSE be the main antagonist in the Spinoff Games such as Paper Mario and M&L; **cough** Unlike in Dream Team, Paper Jam, Color Splash, & Sticker star, **cough**) 2. Unlike Kersti & Huey; OLIVIA IS N-O-T MARIO'S ONLY TRAVELING COMPANION THIS TIME 3. NO Disposable Cards/Stickers to be found on the overworld anywhere 4. Badges 5. Interesting Battle System 6. YOU Don't Collect things anymore; YOU FIGHT AGAINST THEM!!

Its so weird.. cause they Went back to Mario 64 open levels for Odyssey , and and open world for zelda.. but they OUTRIGHT refuse to make paper mario into a proper RPG again.. DESPITE that Mario & Luigi is probably dead now.

As Woolie said in his recent blind playthrough of TTYD: "Oh my god, this is incredible. And it's never happening again." Pretty sure that's a direct quote, if not it's definitely the gist.

What if the original style is rebranded as “Mario Story” and the new style is just “Paper Mario” for future entries. Heck, now that we have more powerful hardware Mario Story could have non flat models and just be a normal Mario large rpg.

Everyone else: Waiting for a sequel to TTYD Me: Still waiting for a sequel to Super Mario RPG

16:33 I’m going to remember these names because of how scarily good Arlo is at predicting games

Honestly I think arlo speaks for the majority of people when he says "I dont speak for everyone"

“But hey, maybe I’m wrong. I’m wrong all the time! Being wrong is my favorite!” This wholesome energy is why Arlo is a shining beacon on KZfaq :’)

16:30 Oh don’t forget *”Paper Mario and the Cookey Confetti Conundrum!”*

Fans: We want an RPG Paper Mario! Nintendo: Got it, a Ring Playing Game

If old Paper Mario is dead, at least a good trilogy was made. Also as someone who demands Wario World 2 this isn't the worst thing ever.

I feel like Arlo doesn’t show super paper Mario the recognition it deserves. Super paper mario was extremely different yet damn near the best game in the series due to its brilliant writing, beautiful music, captivating and dark story, and unique and memorable characters. Super paper Mario is a good example of how you can try different things but still keep true to the series. I believe that in 2012 Nintendo completely changed their gaming perspective to not take their games in a serious manner anymore and to make things extremely simplistic and appealing to kids and younger audiences which is why we get sht like sticker star and color splash.

I would be glad even if they did something along the lines of super

Bug Fables definitely scratched the Paper Mario Itch!

At this point, I don’t even care if the game is like the originals, as long as it’s a good game, I’ll be happy. It doesn’t seem like Nintendo wants Paper Mario to be what we want Paper Mario to be, and I’ve come to terms with that.

The bottom line is that Nintendo is afraid of, or perhaps disgusted and ashamed by, its own past. And no matter how much its player base begs, it will never go back to it.

Funny how he never mentioned super paper mario throughout this whole video

Considering how much dismissal and mockery I’ve seen thrown at those dissatisfied with series even outside of Paper Mario, some people may need a reminder that it’s ok to be disappointed with something as long as you aren’t a jerk about it

I think all the vpn ads are trying to warn us of something...

"being wrong is like my favorite" - man, arlo, youre a legend. also, thank you for having such a reasonable and honest way of thinking in an era that people tend to think that the louder you speak and the more provoking you sound makes your statements more valid. great video, waiting for the next one

14:43 "Is it still nostalgia if you like old stuff NOT because it reminds you of times past, but because old stuff DOES things you like that new stuff DOESN'T DO?" ~Yahtzee (paraphrase) Sometimes it really is that simple, folks.

Honestly, after beating Bug Fables, see Origami King just kind of hurts. Bug Fables shows that the potential of the first two Paper Marios' hasn't been met yet and makes it all the more frustrating that Nintendo and IS have chosen to completely forgo that style. Bug Fables just feels good to play, both having deep and rewarding gameplay along with scratching that nostalgia itch just enough. It's like meeting a new friend that you feel like you've know forever.

I would say that IS doesn't want to do a traditional RPG Paper Mario anymore because of the M&L series, but with the closure of Alphadream and the series currently being in limbo this argument doesn't stand anymore

Bug Fables is literally the TTYD sequel we’ve been waiting for. I played it, it 100%ed it. I’m playing it again. And to be honest, I’m more than likely not going to get origami king because BF satisfied and even surpassed my paper Mario needs in a spectacular manner.

*comes here after seeing the reviews of Origami King* Yep i think that Nintendo has officially lost sight of what made the original three games great. Feels like the heart, soul and creativity of the characters, worlds and stories we remembered from the first 3 titles are dumbed down.

Sucks we live in an age where you cannot freely express discontent with anything anymore without getting attacked. Arlo had to use up a majority of the time of this video hoping people don’t attack him for having his own opinion.

I really appreciate how much you've doubled down on Bug Fables

Bug Fables is everything i've wanted all these years and more. I'm so glad that people who care finally made a new Paper Mario game for all of us to enjoy.

"Will Classic Paper Mario ever return?" It already did. It's called Bug Fables

It feels like the lack of creativity for character designs is part of their branding in order to create well known characters to earn them more money in the market, and that's a shame.

I’d never say it’s “done for”. There are many franchises that we never thought would ever get a return to form, but they did (Crash Bandicoot, Donkey Kong Country, 2D Sonic, 3D Mario, etc), so there will always be a chance that the old style could come back.

What a lot of detractors think is that we want another clone of The Thousand-Year Door. Not true. What we want to see is Nintendo return to the formula that worked and build on it. Much like what Alpha Dream did with their Mario and Luigi series. Bowser's Inside Story played quite differently from Superstar Saga, but they incorporated interesting gameplay mechanics to keep things fresh. With Paper Mario they just keep inserting stupid gimmicks that detract from the experience, rather than adding to it. We liked the badge system because it worked. We liked the story because it engaged us. Another example is Mario Odyssey. Even though Super Mario Odyssey incorporated a "capture" gimmick not seen in the previous games, it still stuck closely to the Mario 64 formula that a lot of fans wanted to see for so long. And it improved on it! If Nintendo can make 4 New Super Mario Bros. games, then what's stopping them from making a Paper Mario like the first two? If Intelligent Systems doesn't listen to their fans they're going to go the way of AlphaDream.

The super early beta version of sticker star was the exact same design of the first two games. The battles were on a stage, the goombas still had their old design, Mario was going to have partners (the only known partner was a chain chomp you could sling into bricks/blocks), and it was going to go back to how it use to be. Till this day no one knows not even the people who helped with the know why they changed it all into stickers and stars and things and a 3/10 story line and why they made it such a short game. But yeah it was amazing. You can even find like mabey 3 to 5 videos of the beta version.

I've given up hope Arlo. I doubt we will even get a TTYD remaster but that is what I long for.

It's like replacing a good savory dish with a sweet dish named as a savory dish -- the latter may taste great, but it's not a savory dish; it's just being sold to you as one.

I believe the demand for Paper Mario to be more towards a conventional JRPG is mostly coming from the English speaking audience. For Nintendo to reconsider the direction of the series, they would need to have the demand come from their Japanese customers.

Thank you Arlo. Many dont get how old fans feel. People think we are always negative but clearly we just dont want the series going in this direction. Thank you for explaining the opinions many dont see.

I still have a little faith that PM will find its way back to its roots, and the reason is one that doesn't really interfere with Origami King's delivery or timing. The reason I think there's still a chance is because AlphaDreams went under and the future of Mario and Luigi (the series, not characters) is totally up in the air on whether or not it will, or can continue. Why this is relevant to PM is because the reason PM changed with SPM the way it did is because Nintendo didn't want the two series "overlapping" so much in terms of genre (even though they were different enough to begin with but w/e). AlphaDreams went out of business in what, mid-late last year? Certainly not enough time for them to rebuild the gameplay structure of Origami King, even if they wanted to. Superstar Saga is one of my favorite games of all time (BiS is pretty damn good too), but w/o M&L (and therefore no competition in the Mario RPG department) there's still a chance that PM could find its way back home again (even if it were only for a single entry, or alternating titles between the two styles) and I would accept that noble sacrifice of another excellent series as tribute. TTYD is just that damn good.

This is like whats happening in the Pokemon community right now as well. We must just carry on hope though. All it takes is one big change in the creative direction to breathe new life into the series and change the direction again.

I'm afraid Origami King will be a double-edged sword in a way. If the game is good, then hey, the game's good. However, I'm pretty sure there was an interview years ago where Nintendo basically said the Sticker Star/Color Splash formula was the new style going forward. If this game ends up being good, this could vindicate Nintendo's headstrong mentality about this new formula, and completely stamp out any possibility of there ever being a return to form. Hopefully I'm wrong about that vindication part.

If it helps others understand, it's the same thing with the Banjo Kazooie series. The first two games were great platformer/collectathons ; 2nd game had areas that were too big with backtracking, but was still great. Then there's Banjo Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts. The goal is still the same but it ditches their entire move set that the bear and bird originally had to throw in cars, a vehicle builder, and missions. A lot of people enjoyed the game and had a lot of fun with it, but ask just about every fan that started with the first two and they'll tell you that it's not the Banjo Kazooie game that they were looking/waiting for. Change can be good for a series but to stray off far enough to be a different genre, in my opinion, confuses and saddens most of the fans that grew up with the originals.