Thanks, Peter. It was your channel that inspired me to push forward with my own (which is probably a big reason why I ended up making a video about you). Keep up the good work!

@@jamiewindsor do youtube full time please and collab with peter

Haha

The perfect is the enemy of the great. simple as that.... Great Peter...

Peter's draw for me is his perfect lighting, and engaging liveliness that always makes me smile! I'm not far into editing yet, but I learn a lot about shooting.

damn!

Bruh

I get where he’s coming from, but I disagree in some cases.

From my procrastination perspective, my problem is to progress from a fragment of a project to a less than perfect whole. I guess having perfection in mind before you’ve completed anything stops you from getting your work finished.

Exactly. It has nothing to do with not putting in the extra effort, it has to do with dwelling in yourself, procrastinating or just simply not getting it done because the more you want to “perfect it” it will never be. Therefore, done is better than perfect.

@@jorgedominguez1427 perfectly stated. Especially if you've seen his Bucket Shot documentary video. 🔥

He talks a load of bollocks let's be honest. He wasn't preaching like that when he only had a few thousand 'fans' - now he's a big name, like all 'famous' people, he thinks he's some kind of preacher, that he knows more than the every day Joe - he doesn't .... but newbies hang oh his words as if they were golden. I'd hate to be such a fanboy to anyone.

@@Cagey7531 jealous much?

that's deep!

Thanks for sharong that

Also, when you're at a certain level these things don't matter: your 'perfect' barely competes with Peter's hastily 'done'. But hey, this whole audience is a bunch of teens to 25year olds with barely the talent and connections to become wedding photographers, and for your average wedding photographer you don't need McKinnon's level. You don't even need Windsor's level. For your average, lousy wedding that's gonna be over in 5 years, you just need to know pretty much how to use a camera and lightroom, get hired at your local photographer as an assistant and have 3000 spare euros for semi-pro level equipment. I'll call this the reality check mantra. And then there's Neistat, who has a 1DX II collecting dust in his shelf and an entire video editing team backing him to only post pics of his kids taken with a Galaxy S9; Profession: Movie-maker. Earns money by promoting his wife's fashion line-up. Loved for being a Runner. Reality check: if the shit you do works for you, keep doing it.

You should look up "Bumping the Lamp." It's about Roger Rabbit and I think you'll find it relevant to your philosophy. This is a great video on it. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/iL2kp5aF0tTNmmg.html

@@TheFrogmanTV Thanks for the link. Just watched it. Great video.

Done is better than perfect. And most times, perfect isn't exactly perfect. Most times, for me, perfect isn't artistic.

Great advice.

This .. I've been watching McKinnon for a while now and it's hard not to get inspired by his enthusiasm and the simplistic way he presents things. Done is better than perfect a lot of times, but sometimes you have to go that extra step. I think his Bucket shot video shows that. He could've snapped that pic at any time of the day, but he wanted it perfect so he waited for the prime opportunity.

Agreed

Set deadlines

Totally. Perfectionism can be crippling for some of us. Just allowing yourself to not be "perfect" sometimes allows you to get moving on a project, and ultimately "perfect" it.

@@jameslincs those do not help for some people

Life & Times of a MultipleMediaManager™ i think you are done with your comment

Hah, perfect is an illusion in your head my friend. It doesn't exist.

Brilliant!

NAILED IT

This.

This.

Yeah, it took me some time until I've realized that the details I put into some of my works won't be noticed by your average follower. It's because they don't have that vision to see and spot them like an experienced artist. Nonetheless it adds to the work but not more than 20% even though it usually takes more time; relatively speaking.

Client work implies a deadline. If you can't be timely, there won't be much client work, so perfection isn't an option. For self-commissioned work, there is no built in deadline. I can fiddle forever.

@@YVZSTUDIOS that goes to a lot of professional photography. Rare is the client who will care whether a photographer used a Canon EOS 5DsR or an Olympus OMD EM-1.

Ross Jukes Photography agreed. The context matters greatly, the platform and the audience matter. KZfaq is certainly a “done over perfect” platform. The audience cares little about perfection and perfection is too hard to define anywho in this medium. Perfect in graphic design is easier to identify. But on YT the concept and personalities matter more than things like audio and visual quality. There’s too much subjectivity in YT to know what is perfect, so, go with done

Exactly , in the quest of that perfection , I usually end up delaying my projects by months and even If I do have a breakthrough , my self critical nature always makes me miserable and I feel more bad than good about my creation ( man am I fucked up)

@@anitagarg3316 Same with me :( I end up psyching myself out of so many things I try to do

and also lost a few, I bet.

No big loss.

Emilio Takas that bit particularly stood out to me as well.

However, Peter's philosophy has gained him millions of subscribers in a few years. Jamie's philosophy has gained him 132, 000.

@@johnwbailey8940 If you watch the video you will see that Jamie agrees with Peter's philosophy. Also John, Peter's millions of subscribers were not only because of the Doing is better than perfect philosophy. If you dig deep into his content, there are plenty more reasons that gained him this popularity. And don't forget that before starting youtube he was an instagram celebrity already with plenty of connections all over Photography and Videography online magazines. So his first 5 hacks video went viral in only one day. And from there he just showed his great personality online and he was one of the first youtubers who combined Neistat - MKBHD - and Kramer into a youtuber who does all the things together in the Photography and Videography category. So for any creators who don't have this magic wand, or the connections in the industry, a lot of times stepping a little bit further in the quality is a clever move considering that your content is going to be seen more when you gain more popularity. And to close this comment, 130k subscribers compared to 3 million are not a lot, but consider its still something huge!!

@@johnwbailey8940 Yeah, but Jamie is smart enough to talk about Pete. That alone will generate more views from people who know Pete, and don't know Jamie. That's down to marketing, - not philosophy!

Peter is like a movie star, Jamie is a specialist. Probably most of Peter's followers don't even have a DSLR or even an instagram account.

Not at all the same thing. You’re comparing eye surgery to photography lol

Well an undone bomb-disposal is an explosion and an and undone surgery is death so yeah done is better than perfect

You guys are probably really fun at parties

@@gabimic7022 Lmao

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 That's the reason I read comments! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

I completely agree. I think you've put it perfectly.

@@jamiewindsor Glad to be able to contribute, and thanks for all your interesting and thought-provoking ideas and content.

^ this

The Reptile spot on!

@@PeterMcKinnon Thanks :)

Popped into the comments to say exactly what you said. Done and shown is still better then the 10 "Perfect" videos I still have half finished in my hard drive that no one will ever see.

Agreed. You push further when you actually have something done. Sometimes you have to start with the mentality of what Peter is talking about....but you don’t have to finish that way. So many ways to look at all this, great comments everyone!

Yeah who needs b-roll having those animations

If the skills weren't on point we wouldn't believe him...

I think Perfect is a concept like Infinity. It's not something that can ever be reached. You can move towards it, but you'll still be the same distance away as you were before.

finally a comment i can relate to

PMac and Sean Tucker do sound like they are worlds apart when you look at how both approach the creative process. But like you I find their influence (uhoh that term), to be both inspiring and important. I'm just beginning to appreciate Mr. Windsor. I hope he does make a good living off making free content for us. Cheers!

Tawhid Khan Sean Tucker is like the most informative person on KZfaq for photography, especially corporate photography

Good perspective, will have to think about this too. When shooting on the street I tend to take 2-3 shots of a composition, but generally that's because the scene develops or a moment happens. In the studio I take more time composing 1 shot and taking it before I move something or recompose. For me, this is because I'm shooting street for myself and the randomness of it all. In the studio, I'm trying to produce the best work I can possibly create at that moment for this and future clients.

Sort of, I would say it depends on what the "art" is. In a world of information where people scroll through hundreds of photos a day on Instagram and likely on give 30s at most to an image then "Done is better than perfect" is likely the only philosophy that is viable as a product. Small issues, maybe artifacts from pushing colour to far or a dodgy mask won't be noticed. If the photo is a form of business for you then "Done is better than perfect" when applied to Instagram meets that middle ground. If you are creating images as high art that is intended to be looked at for up to minutes and the image itself is purchased then "done is better than perfect" simply won't do. Any mistakes or small issues can be picked up and immediately devalue the work. If your images are being uploaded to in online social media then spending an extended time on images isn't viable. It pays more on social media to be uploading regularly with content that looks good enough for a quick view. That being said, no work is ever perfect and I think what you said comes into it a bit more. If we know that we will never be 100% happy with your work then it's about time management. If we are going to spend more time to push the work further then working out where you put your time is the most important thing. It reminds me of my time at uni when I studied film. A student was very particular on trying to create the most perfect film he could. Hating when productions accidentally had camera stands in shot and etc. So when they got their film back and saw in a shot in a refection from a window there was a camera stand in shot. He had his colour grader and VFX guy go FRAME BY FRAME to mask out the stand. This took the guy an extremely long time as the shot was tracking so he had to redo almost every frame. I sat there thinking what an absolute waste of time. It's so minor and if the audience notices it then as Hitchcock said, "You have already lost them". The film looked gorgeous but most people couldn't understand what the film was about and didn't resonate with it. All I could think was had they spent that extra time on doing more rough cuts and test screenings then perhaps the film would have been elevated to be better.

LOOOOL… watch your back man!

Protect your neck! hahaha

😂

Priceless :-))

😂😂😂😂 Cannon's marketing director.

Ha

Your 0 subs vs Peter's 3 million.......Canon seems to be working out ok for him. Maybe give Canon a try.

Glad you like them!

His photography (landscapes) are really well done. He is a dedicated photographer. Watch his Bucket Shot video. It's me 20 years ago when I lived in Calgary. I got up for those shots of the Rockies. I like his tutorials on Lightroom and Photoshop as well as video editing. Is he changing the world? No. Is he producing what 2 million subscribers want to watch? Yes. I just hope he's fulfilled as an "artist"...

louisedebambambum agreed...

Coni Glione honestly I cant explain why I love landscape photography I guess it just looks majestic in some cases and unreal

I tried to wipe that hair away from my screen. 😅🤣😂

Me too

KZfaq doesn't push UK content, so we don't get much exposure 🙁

hahah here you are again and i went on tryng to wipe your thumbnail again.... I havent been on McKinnons channel much lately but i remember seeing this hair of your there a lot and kept trying wipe it off my screen! hahaahah dude your Thumbs is just EPIC :)

@@IAMDIMITRI haha me too!!!

Thanks for your comment. I'm not entirely sure which bit you're referring to with the 'begging' comment. Do you mean the bit where I thank my Patreon supporters or the bit where I respond to the huge influx of comments and messages I've received telling me what an awful person I am for taking on a sponsorship? If it's the latter, I'll take your advice and "Keep calm and carry on" as they say.

@@jamiewindsor I didn't remember you mentioning the negative feedback in this video (I did see it in the previous video where you mentioned that You Tube changed your status) - it was the fact that you mentioned that you are trying to earn a living from You Tube and were not quite there yet - to me that was an announcement implying "I am not a success," which first of all is not true since you have completed award winning work and second of all is not very inviting to potential new clients, which should spin off of your You Tube presence (social media is a great way to achieve the quantity side of the marketing recipe and if you feature / display your talent, awards and successful work accomplishments, then you should be able to spin off paying project work. Anthony Morganti, another vlogger whom I enjoy, recently pointed out in a podcast that the value of photographs for sale has declined to virtually zero because some stock photo sites are now offering free photos such that the real value of putting your work up for free or nearly free (as you are doing with your You Tube videos) is the marketing value and the spin off project work that comes from "flaunting your talent." I think that you are a professional with a unique perspective / insight in creativity and quality work ethic that is and will be valuable to prospective clients, but all that is weakened by communicating that you are going through a "reset" in your career. Just show your "stuff" and promote and thank your sponsors including the voluntary donation site (I think that is what it is) but don't comment / imply that your are barely making a living - that is irrelevant to your true talent, which obviously Square Space feels is worth associating themselves with. All the best!

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Some thing i was looking all over the comment 👍👍👍👌👌 Definitely true word.

Mckinnons intro spaz is a theft. I'm not sure he ever gives credit to an original creator.

"Hack", you say? Hmmmm....just guessing here, but I think he kicks your ass....and I haven't even seen your shit.

@Storm_photography__ his main "supporter" / influence is Casey Neistat.... soooooo

I believe this message pre-dates modern peeps. ::shrugs::

@@kevingumfory no hes not....i know him from Henrys cameras...stop talking shit

Please no

Perhaps no.

@@Graeme_MacDonald I respect and admire both Jamie and Peter for their different creative approach, have to disagree with you that Pete is for newbies however in terms of execution and use of the platform. I think in your comment you are alluding to Jamie's more profound and somewhat more serious approach to photography in general, his tone is very different than Pete's approach but the success they've each experienced is quite different if you ask me...

@@Graeme_MacDonald Thats exactly my point, they both cover photography in different ways, not sure how many videos of peter you have seen but I been following him for a while and have learned much from him, especially considering Peter is more of a videographer, he covers photography and videography quite well in my opinion. No one youtuber "rules them all", however, as you said Jamie is great for the theoretical and in my opinion sort of "old school" teachings for composition, philosophy and execution of photography with very impressive editing and animations (I've tipped my hat off to him more than a hundred times for). Peter's take is more of a new school approach and style, he inspires in a very different way than Jamie does. In my opinion we (their audience) are very fortunate to learn from both of these personalities. Worth mentioning is, Ted from The Art of Photography as I think he is more akin to Jamie in terms of photography teachings overall, especially his earlier videos are more philosophical.

@@Graeme_MacDonald Not saying its bad just dont agree its a "newbie" thing but I digress. To each his own, I respect your opinion and take on both of these awesome youtubers, cheers!

He won't record one. You didn't get the point of the Video mate.

@@lexframes5335 of course I got it, it's called tongue in cheek. Jeese