i have been contacted by a great theory crafter that can clarify one thing : the longer the rotation the better jinhsi's team becomes and that makes sense since jiyan takes more time in his rotation , so it's true that the first rotation does only have 5% but it can get up to 30% . the point of the video doesn't change but this is worth noting :)

CHIXIA STILL SOLOS

People make their own words sometimes. If you consider characters being better than others as "powercreep", then sure, power creep is already in the game. Although i wouldn't even consider it cause Jinhsi is, clearly, a very important character to the story so i believe its normal for her damage to be that high. But if you consider characters being thrown in the trash, so not being able to use them anymore for endgame, as "powercreep" then there is no such thing as powercreep is Wuthering Waves.

You're doing big damage with crazy rotation Dragon spam, with coordinated attack and crazy min-maxing. I'm doing big damage with brainded left click spam with Jiyan. We're not the same

Jinhsi needs stacks and right rotation that takes time. While Jiyan just ungga bungga, better at grouping and parrying. Jinhsi haa Big NUKE, while Jiyan has small nuke with consistent DPS. Changli has also nuke with her forte that is higher than Jiyan, but lower than Jinhsi, while Changli also has consistent DPS than Jinhsi.

Honestly total damage jiyan same with jinshi. Its just a matter of damage per second vs damage per screen shoot. The one who get the power creep is just animation skill.

Free characters and 4 star characters still clear the game , if kuro wishes to be competitive long term, they would be smart enough to not make half the roaster useless by year one. This fear mongering over power creep is getting annoying

i dont know about power creep , i just "rover" all the way 😅

how are people crying about powercreep its been 3 banners so far 💀

the only thing that gets powercrept is that some characters have bigger PERSONALITIES

Drake meme. Yinlin and Verina with Jinhsi : NO Yuanwu and Taoqi with Jinhsi : YES

DANG love your outro so much

Short answer : Yes Long answer : Obviously because its a gacha game and they need tk make money however you "need" three teams so its not as fast/much as other gachas but it DOES exist. Just pull who you want/need thats all Edit : Powercreep discussion in 1.1 is to freaking early 😂😂😂 Yall have brainrot I swear

I don’t care, to me there is only danjin

Poweer creep becomes issue when damage floor becomes higher thus old unit falls under that new floor and becomes unviable, damage celling increase is less of a problem than former issue. We can use this logic to fit into games that has powercreep like Hi3rd and see if that fits or not.

im fine with character that can be used instantly had a good damage, and character with strict requirement had even better damage.

thing i always think of while pulling is how long will this character remains useable till they introduce new replacement for it.. so for example.. rn jiyan is the only areo dps.. and for him to get replaced with same element ie. new areo dps.. its gonna take a while.. each patch stays for like 40 days with 2 new characters.. so after changli.. there will be havoc + glacio then after that next banners will go through same element repeat again.. but this time they will be either support or buffers.. so like rn we only have calcharo and electro dps.. but future banner will replace him with with better electro dps which we can pair with yinlin and that team will become strong again.. same with areo.. we instead of dps next areo might be or even some other elemental character that buffs jiyan way better than mortefi in terms of buffing charge attack + areo damage boost like how yinlin buffs electro.. so it takes a lotta time to replace old characters.. and elements cuz of floor buffs does matter in tower of adversity.. i bet after reset new tower will have pyro + spectro buff for next rotation for changlis banner.. and even if the character get replaced after 7-8 months with better alternative.. u should be already bored using the old one.. its totally fine

Worst case scenario they can always steal a page from fate go and add quests that once cleared rework/buff/whatever old characters kit Aaaaaand With moveset being as if not more important than raw damage, jihnsi is less mobile than jiyan, thus she's more of a glass Cannon since it's mildly harder to dodge with her Not to a huge effect, but still

jiyan unique is he gather mobs full time in ult duration, so i think it's hard to power creep him unless there are another chara with the same function and doing better dps also Kuro is well know of making games that take very long time to release the "power creep" chara so we can have more hope for ww that going the same way

Meanwhile Encore having the highest DPS threshold already and only going to get stronger with Changli: Hi!

Free to play peeps who have Jinhsi clearing tower at 70 and Jiyan struggling at 80: "are you sure about that?"

Someone already showcase jinshi vs jiyan and there damage is close not that dar off..its on KZfaq just search

I don't have jiyan or yinlin, should I go for jinhsi or changli? I could use jinhsi as my main dps but I also have Encore from my lost 50/50 so changli's buff would also work. I like jinhsi a bit more but I can't get a lot of her stacks, I also won't pull for both

Yo your outro is a banger, who made it? or how did you get it?

Outro is amazing! Could you please tell me who the artist/animator is? Id love to check out their work!

im doing a no pull account and posting a series about it on my yt, the game is still very fun and i dont really care right now to pull since chixia solos everything for me.....LOVE THE CONTENT KEEP IT UP

When jiyan is about to be powercrept a suitable sub dps will be released that will buff him so good that it makes him on par with latest dps chars. Maybe a heavy attack buff + aero amplified or etc

I'm not stressing too much about powercreep and pulling for characters hrover/danjin/verina, jiyan/mortefi/baizhi, encore/sanhua/jianxin is all I need.

why does nobody bother to mention they're not the same element... enemies can resist or be weak, and tower floors can give buffs to certain elements. they're quite simply 2 dps units of different elements. if another aero weak floor shows up Jiyan will be better for that floor than Jinhsi, and vice versa.

I would love to know where you got your calculations from because CN analysis have shown Jinshi being around 30% better at every level of investement

If I lose 50/50 on Changli I'll sue you

I got your point. But I got Jinshi. A player who do not have Jiyan and Yinlin. Please tell me, what should I do?

I have all 3 limited 5 stars and personally I feel like Jiyan is still the best DPS in the game. Jinhsi does a lot of damage, but the ease of play with Jiyan is extremely valuable because it's not like Genshin where everything is a DPS check, in Wuwa you need to dodge the Lv100 boss attacks in Tower of Adversity or you will get one shot. Jinhsi feels like she is very immobile when you activate her dragon state and it's kinda brain dead because your only option is to do 4 basic attacks then the dragon laser.

All I know is if I wanna take someone to L6 Hologram, Jinhsi would be my first pick over Jiyan. That’s power-creeping right there for me cuz I haven’t touched Jiyan since I got Jinhsi for Holograms.

Am i missing something? First rotation of Jinshi has zero stacks skill to get outro, then accumulate forte for her on other characters and then damage goes. Isn't Jiyon first rotation faster in that regards? And instead from second to third and so on, when u establish her rotation with good forte, she can deal more damage?

Is it worth skipping Jinhsi and her weapon for Changli and her weapon? Especially when I got situation when weapon is guaranteed in 10 more pulls, but I still can lose 50/50 on Jinhsi and be left with only a niche weapon (E skill buff heavyblade)

for those who cares about powercreep I have suggestion for you: just pull last character before the game close :D

PGR Player here, and I'd say that Kuro really does powercreep characters. So you can expect powercreeping in the future. But that's like a given in any gacha games, unless you want your new characters to be ignored by the playerbase. However, the way they make the enemies more difficult is a bit different. Instead of being tankier, from what we experienced on endgame PGR stuff, they put more emphasis on "damage." So expect future enemies to halve your health just from grazing your clothes. And that's just like the most basic stuff. There are lightning that falls in the sky that you need to dodge cause it decreases your ult gauge, bombs that explode after defeating an enemy, 1 chara gets only 1 dodge, and various bs debuff and boss buff you can think of. I swear Kuro Devs are closet sadists. However, the silver lining is the enemies' health are paper like, so it's just skill-based if you win or not. Although I don't know if Kuro will also implement this, it's possible. Enjoy >:)

I had to subscribe because I can't risk losing the 50/50 again 😂

I dont even run Yinlin with Jinshi, me team is Yuanwu(hwo tf is that?) and Baizi/Verina, and thats good coz it gives Jinshi and Jiyan a variety in terms of Tower teams = you can run both is you have them Yinlin is married to my Sephiroth and I dont intend to break that marriage anytime soon

You're the CC here where does the two mentioned characters are in the current chinese meta boards rn, then compare that to the past and the upcoming update then we can really talk power creep.

I haven’t felt power creep yet even though I got c1r0 jinhsi I find myself going back to calcharo,yinlin 😂

I build only mommies team Changli, Yinlin and Baizhi 😤.

People forgot she is the Magistrate. Genshin's Archon's r super powerful units too. But no one saying a thing. 😂😂😂😂😂

There might be some power creep but that won't mean the older characters will be useless because Kuro would probably add game modes where you need more teams to play

jinhsi is a burst dps that requires teammates to build up stacks so in a proper set up shes gonna do more damage jiyan has consistent dps he doesnt really need a team around him because he can do everything by himself you just want to buff his existing damage also has ease of use if you mess up a rotation with jinhsi you lose uptime and damage with jiyan the moment you ult youre just left clicking

currently jinhsi and jiyan comparison comes down to opportunity cost easier to play - slightly weaker slightly harder to play - slightly higher damage seems fair enough imo people have some weird obsession about powercreep, in HSR kids cry all the time about how seele got powercrept and yet she's more than capeable of clearing content, same thing in genshin as long as older characters are still viable powercreep is irrelevant, it's only a problem if older characters cant keep up with the content that's getting harder

I'm happy with my Jiyan ❤

my pulls on wuwa has the same intent as my pulls on hsr. ill check the rate up 4*, and if they good (to me at least) ill try pull their dupes. if i got the rate up 5* is just a bonus.

Hopefully can get my final waveband for Jinhsi!

There is powercreep but not that much cuz in this game, even the character with worse dmg can kill a boss due to the gameplay's reliance on the player's skills but that's just my opinion.

I have both Jiyan and Jinshi and they are both very strong. Jiyan can start his rotation way faster then Jinshi and is much less reliant on specific stacks or buffs. Jinshi dmg potential is insane but its also more work to get there. They are both good Charakters and I would say that Jiyan is much better at aoe (because of the grouping) then Jinshi

if i lose the 50/50 it's on you now

Joke on you. I had both jiyan jhinis and now regret my decision life choices

Honestly, I just pulled Jinhsi (I hope I spelled her name right) because her animations are pretty. Same thing with Jiyan, I'd say from my experience they have similar damage numbers (but that might be because I haven't learned their rotations properly yet).

Tbh powerful limited main dps units are not that enticing unless their design is peak or their gamplay is fun, havoc rover already smashes everything, so im saving for the next op support

We will be getting character leaps 😂

I think at some point in game, we need to accept which chr can be slightly op/broken... For eg: jinhsi, spoiler alert, she is the megistrate and was gifted/blessed by power of sentinel jue... So of course she need to be slightly stronger then other jinzhou chr. Its an acceptable powercreep based on story and hierarchy. Unless jiyan have some epic lore/story later on then its a different thing all together...

Does she powercreep a bit in the overworld?? Yes but that doesnt matter. Later when more endgame is added, we'll eventually need dps of all elements anyways.

Wouldn’t it make more sense to talk Lingyang VS Jinhsi?

This isnt a firefly powercreep no, but you know its coming.

The only thing Jiyan got powercreep so bad by Jinhsi is the Animation and Visuals Effects, its actually crazy how much of an improvement we see in Jinhsi animation compared to Jiyan, it makes Jiyan looks like a 4 star compared to Jinhsi. Well things can only get better from now and i expect many good things from Wuthering Waves and Kuro Games.

is changli bad ?? i was gonna skip jinshi for her ......... now im confused

Pulling for Chang li since I lost my 50/50.

Doesn't matter I still have skill issues

"the power of braindead" 💀

There is only one kind of powercreep in WuWa THE ANIMATION POWERCREEP.

Powercreep cannot be apply to wuwa atm because we literally has nothing to base off of, we dont even have 1 full elemental team, people really be making up powercreeping to hide their skill issue fr 😂

Me laughing in the corner having all of them as a f2p.

I pulled her and playing with her feels so fucking satisfying her skill kit feels so good

I'm happy i have both jinhsi and jiyan the dragon lover😍😍

All gacha games will have powercreep. Get that into your heads

Kuro does have power creep but I would guess it would be per gen, meaning like in PGR a generation wide mechanic would be the defining if there is a power creep like timestop mechanic in pgr which like the name suggest pauses stage timers while your character do their ult animation which in turn gives you more dps, and from there a new gen would be higher damage scaling. But for now I don't think year 1 characters of wuwa will do a powercreep amongst themselves.

Chixia solo

Jinhsi still havent a dedicated support. Even taoqi or yuanwu work as well, we need a better support, and when she has the better support maybe will have powercreep

The real power creep will be in the introduction of new weapon signatures. it's probably not gonna happen in a longtime

Jiyan: Ungha bungga counter Jinhsi: hmm intro + Grapple + E then combo (skip mech) Jiyan: I need energy, give me! Jinhsi: Free energy for everyone! Jiyan: Verina concerto> Mortefei concerto>Jiyan's once in a blue ult, need to regen Jinhsi: Yanwu E> Verina concerto> JinHsi, then repeat Jiyan: Best in Aoe, sure Jinhsi: Go Jué go! (DoT God- don't forget how DoT works with her when she's in incantation state) Jiyan: Nuke on his once in a blue moon ult Jinhsi: I can double nuke. Jiyan: Can double dash mid-air Jinhsi: I don't have double dash but sure I can reach higher I don't hate Jiyan, actually I have him, and that's the powercreep he is having rn. It is big marginal? No! but Jinhsi is defo powercreep him, no matter how you look at it. Especially if you have skill issue with Jiyan and it's team. Jinhsi can use grapple tech and it is amazing how Gapple CD is tangled with her Reso Skill. Also Jinhsi can break shield every two rotations, and adding Yanwu vibration buff, she able to destroy boss shield within 1 and half rotations. The fact that you can abuse that is insane. For Taoqi who has a problem with concerto and shield, Jinhsi allows her to abuse shield that skip boss mechanics like crownless attacks. Take note, she still don't have dedicated support. Probably 1.2 characters, because 1.1 are catered to Skill Damage where as Taoqi doesn't work well with Jinhsi since she doesn't have teamwide heal/coordinated attack/she's a tank. Yanwu is good and 0 brain to play in Jinhsi team but he doesn't give much to Taoqi in return because Taoqi attack is slow as hell. So yeah probably 1.2! who knows.

I've both ot them but without sig weapon. Sometimes i use both with Verina or 1 of them with Yanglin. But i fell in love with ChangLi the character and animation are so good. The only thing i miss from genshin is the elemenal interaction between two elements.

Yuanwu is better than yinlin for Jinhsi bc he has 100% up time and allows u to get stacks hella fast

I will pull for jinshi because as you said yinlin is a really good support for her.

At the end of the day, just play whatever you like. Jinhsi is just easier to play that's all. And she have Jué as a specific echo that buff can buff her exactly like her kit. Jiyan has generic echo that buff anybody

i have jiyan and yinlin i want jinhsi and changli but im very low spending for now, idk if i can have both :((

lmaoo i never play according to team meta or anything like that, i got the roar dragon team and just dodge/counter eerything. MOST OP TEAM jinhsi, jiyan, mortefi (S6, got lucky with rolls)

All these Metapods be waiting for General Jiyans downfall 😮‍💨

It's probably too early for power creep, I know in most gotcha it'll happen eventually, year 1/phase 1 characters usually are much weaker than the meta characters of 2 or 3.

so far I feel Jinshi can solo, but this will made she build up her gauge really slow, so she needs a team, while Jiyan can just solo NP So it tower you can use only Jiyan clear 1-3 floor which will save a lot of cost

Idont care it single player game But from what kuro do to pgr This damage mean something have higher lvl comes New endgame or maybe new lvl mobs Because they don’t like one shots From what i knew from them

power of skill issue is the thing in the game

Higher damage = Jinhsi More efficiency = Jiyan Also correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought she has way slower rotation no?

best outro ever

As long as danjin can solo all the content power creep won’t be a thing

We need remember in lore stoey who is jinshi.... And. Jiyan is general... So its not surprised

I am not the one to talk, but I have them both. I am not sure why, Jiyan feels boring, his control is a mess when you use ult and tbh, my Encore does what he does ni 20 seconds in just 4 seconds. I felt too disappointed in Jiyan than i threw my account away and got new one. Jinhsi is ....Like an Archon of Genshin Impact? her damage is ridiculous and her eco has farm many more uses than Jiyan's Monkey that if misses, he stops the attack xD. Even without the full rotation buff thing, she is just insane that can 1 shot things. Maybe the only down side is that she is more specific team comb than Jiyan. That's what I experienced with both characters.

Nah... If there's no competitive ranking between players to clear faster then real powercreep doesn't exist

"if you don't subscribe now you're gonna lose your 50/50" If I sub then I lose then what

My C6 Spectro Rover MELTS everything away!! She is so good, I got lucky with the echos and got crit. rate at 64% and crit. damage at 201% I can’t even switch to the other chars bc her energy recharge is so fast 🥲🥲😂 it’s on 151% now I’m f2p and I’m glad that I can still enjoy every content without having much struggle 😭

Jiyan rely on his ulti which not every rotation available While jinshi easy rotation Collect all dragon is the right choice

Powercreep only matters in a game that has PVP. This does not. So anyone who complains about powercreep for characters are actually saying "Im stupid"

Jinshi is the most brain dead you can 1 shoot a lvl90 hologram on c6 and you can’t do that on c6 jiyan

Acheron and firefly are powercreep of hsr 🔥