Is ProRes Raw worth it? Atomos Ninja V ProRes RAW VS Internal Recording on the Sony a7s III
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Күн бұрынIs ProRes Raw worth it? Atomos Ninja V ProRes RAW VS Internal Recording on the Sony a7s III
Sony a7s III and Atomos Ninja V is a killer combo that brings so many options - internal recording with great monitoring capabilities, ProRes recording for more efficient and fast workflow and even 12-bit ProRes RAW that gives you the most color flexibility. But is the ProRes RAW from Sony a7s III and Atomos Ninja V that good? Are there any quirks when using ProRes RAW? Is ProRes RAW better in terms of dynamic range, resolution and noise performance? I've compared all the formats - internal recording, ProRes 422 and ProRes RAW I found out all the benefits and caveats of using all of those. Also you can download the sample RAW and internally recorded footage from Sony a7s III and the original 4K video - yadi.sk/d/PT7a_nPLhvsAjw?w=1 Enjoy watching!
00:00 - Sony a7s III and Atomos Ninja V recording options
00:32 - Sony a7s III internal recording VS ProRes 422
01:30 - Is ProRes 422 sharper than internal recording of Sony a7s III ?
01:50 - Fixing white balance in ProRes 422 and internal recording
02:10 - 12800 ISO performance of ProRes 422 and internal recording
02:34 - 8-bit vs 10-bit in Sony a7s III
02:58 - ProRes RAW Sony a7s III settings and limitations
03:43 - ProRes RAW quirks and caveats
04:57 - How to work with ProRes RAW in Final Cut Pro
05:16 - Does ProRes RAW have better dynamic range?
05:51 - 12-bit ProRes RAW vs 10-bit internal recording with Sony a7s III
06:32 - 4.2K ProRes RAW resolution
06:48 - Extreme Grading and different ISO tests with ProRes RAW vs internal recording
07:38 - Do you even need to use ProRes RAW?
09:40 - Quote and Question of the Episode
Download the sample RAW and internally recorded footage from Sony a7s III and the original 4K video - yadi.sk/d/PT7a_nPLhvsAjw?w=1
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@NOlimitsON 3 жыл бұрын
Will you use ProRes RAW on Sony a7s III? #Sony #Atomos #NinjaV #AtomosNinjaV #ProRes #ProResRAW #Sonya7sIII #Sonya7s3 #ProRes422
@matweiss2529 Жыл бұрын
nope... too much hassle for the performance.
@_CRiT_hits_ 3 жыл бұрын
Love love love LOVE how you put all the lens and settings details in the corner of every clip!!! Thank you for the great video! Definitely subscribed
@NOlimitsON 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I appreciate it)
@Noojtxeeg 3 жыл бұрын
10 bit internal is still one of the most balanced options when it comes to performance and practicality.
@NOlimitsON 3 жыл бұрын
Sure! Totally agree, my friend!
@nateo200 3 жыл бұрын
So balanced camera makers won't just give it to us on cameras capable of it so they can charge more for their cinema line -_-
@damawsomedan 3 жыл бұрын
It crashes premiere with Macs
@bymark6207 3 жыл бұрын
@@damawsomedan you should shoot on 4k si mode.
@damawsomedan 3 жыл бұрын
@@bymark6207 yes that what im referring to the xavc-si is an absolute nightmare to use in premiere. My 16in macbook can decode h265 better than the Si
@__BlakeLove__ Жыл бұрын
I just HAVE TO make you aware that this was probably one of the best (easy for me to understand/follow along), videos on this topic that I’ve ever seen. I’m now subscribed sir 🎉
@NOlimitsON Жыл бұрын
Thanks mate) I appreciate it!
@ouajbir 3 жыл бұрын
You have done a great job buddy 🙏🏻 Thank you for the comparaison
@NOlimitsON 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I appreciate it!
@jonnystollfilms9689 2 жыл бұрын
Just bought a Ninja V and this was very helpful. Thank you!
@NOlimitsON 2 жыл бұрын
Welcome Jonny! Stay tuned mate)
@evgeniyyavtushenko7653 3 жыл бұрын
What an amazing test. Thank you!
@NOlimitsON 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@chaochewei6213 9 ай бұрын
Perfect demonstration and substantial information as usual 🎉
@NOlimitsON 9 ай бұрын
Thanks mate)
@WhenWillILearn 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve been using prores raw and the issues you mentioned about time remaining is because prores raw is a variable bitrate and it displays the worst case scenario, the seconds then count down relevant to the actual bitrate. If you’re shooting a detailed scene with lots of movement you get less recording time. So its not something that can really be fixed, maybe just explained. Really useful video 😁
@NOlimitsON 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@WhenWillILearn 3 жыл бұрын
@@NOlimitsON 😁
@adrianmack7750 3 жыл бұрын
This was such a nice review!
@NOlimitsON 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much))
@seekinsmedia Жыл бұрын
This was super helpful!
3 жыл бұрын
This exactly what i needed thanks so much!
@NOlimitsON 3 жыл бұрын
I'm very glad you found it))
@NOlimitsON 3 жыл бұрын
Stay tuned for more good content) Appreciate it)
@tyalexandercheng Жыл бұрын
Very useful video. Thank you for your time and effort. You helped me make more informed choices.
@NOlimitsON Жыл бұрын
Welcome mate) stay tuned!
@anandvyas671 3 жыл бұрын
Great video I found the exact same thing. The ninja is a little bit sharper and yes has more color in contrast to begin with in the image which is good. Yet the internal signal side-by-side is pretty darn close once you match them
@NOlimitsON 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you) that’s true) stay tuned for more interesting content 😜
@mahdiyavari170 Жыл бұрын
I needed this ...thanks man you just saved me alot of money .. i wanted to go for a7siii and atmos now i know i can just go for sonh a7iv and yet get better photo resolution
@NOlimitsON Жыл бұрын
Thank you bro)
@timpolster Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comparisons. Looks like Sony did a great job with the internal recording.
@NOlimitsON Жыл бұрын
Welcome) stay tuned)
@itswrongtokillanimalsifyou2837 2 жыл бұрын
1:57 A better way to let us compare is to have labeled footage, one after the other, and have a JUMP CUT between them, so we can use the frame forward/backward keys on our keyboards (comma and period keys) to toggle between them in an instant. Not taking time between transitions is more important the more subtle the difference is. I really like what looks like increased sharpness in the RAW versions, but retaining it after NR will be key. Great video, BTW! To the point and answers exactly the questions we have!
@LawerChannel 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video! I don't even have and A7SIII, and probably will not (I have an A7III and A6400 I'm happy with these cameras), but as a geek I love this kind of videos! Very useful!
@NOlimitsON 3 жыл бұрын
Thanx a lot! I appreciate it! Stay tuned for more geeky-useful content, my friend!
@mannydelossantosproduction1306 3 жыл бұрын
"Of course nobody grades like this." Me: That's right!...Quietly deletes over-graded videos...🤣🤫
@NOlimitsON 3 жыл бұрын
😂
@2Meerkats 3 жыл бұрын
Cool info - thanks - please make a video about the Ninja V $99 h265 option available from today - vs in-camera options
@NOlimitsON 3 жыл бұрын
Hey! Thanks! I'm thinking about it)) Thanx!
@VideoCreatorsLounge 3 жыл бұрын
Prores raw would be especially good if Sony allowed open gate so we could use the entire sensor when shooting video... Most people don't realize that we're all losing resolution on the vertical which would allow us more crop options in post as well as using a 2X anamorphic lens if we wanted.
@NOlimitsON 3 жыл бұрын
That's true! Thank you for mentioning))
@JonPais 3 жыл бұрын
PRR is 4.2K, 25% more rez than internal.
@willmannering Жыл бұрын
@@JonPais It is still 16:9... Give us the full 3:2!
@JonPais Жыл бұрын
@@willmannering it really sucks that only two or three manufacturers seem to give af about anamorphic.
@Ariel_emerald 3 жыл бұрын
my main interest in the ninja V is being able to control the amount of noise in the image rather than being forced to use sony's noise reduction, as phillip bloom showed in his review you can use post software like neat video to clean up the noise spectacularly but it doesnt work well with the internal noise reduction. Anyways thanks for this video, started watching your channel and i love your videos.
@NOlimitsON 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching and commenting! You are totally right) But this denoise process is very tough for your computer... Really appreciate your support my friend!
@WanderbirdLife 2 жыл бұрын
Some things have changed since this posted but still some great info. I'm working off the Alpha 1 and keen to compare.
@NOlimitsON 2 жыл бұрын
Hey) I have an update video on my channel) check it out) it came out in the end of may
@WanderbirdLife 2 жыл бұрын
@@NOlimitsON AH! Def will
@NOlimitsON 2 жыл бұрын
@@WanderbirdLife thank you) stay tuned!
@aboutbattle 3 жыл бұрын
when i watched this video on a really bad/uncalibrated monitor, it shows a difference where bending on the internal is slightly more noticeable.
@JWS1968 2 жыл бұрын
I think what these camera manufacturers need to address is what we still need to include 'processing' wise in camera. Clearly, we want to be able to shoot RAW but still get the lens distortion correction and the noise reduction. With Blackmagic BRAW at least, we have a choice of quality settings that can reduce files sizes. I have the BMD Video Assist 12G because my PC just struggles so bad with Long GOP 10-Bit files. And transcoding takes forever. BRAW scrubs like butter but then having to apply lens correction and noise reduction makes it redundant IMHO as they are two of the most computationally intensive processes you can do in Davinci Resolve. So I will be using the "DNx 10-Bit 422" options on the recorder. I'll get the smooth editing, the dynamic range will be the same, and I'll still get the lens correction and noise reduction in-camera. Another nice 'option' would be if the camera manufacturers would maybe give us DNx/ProRes "14bit 422" or even "12bit 422" as well as RAW/BRAW. Just if anyone from BMD or Panasonic is listening.
@Yodd Жыл бұрын
Actually the noise reduction in camera is a bad thing unless you are not going to do any post processing which would defeat the purpose of using raw. But the post noise reduction like neat video is much better than the in camera one, especially in high iso.
@ratt57 Жыл бұрын
Hey, thanks for a great video! Has Sony made any changes to their menu to accomodate ProResRAW better in their firmware since you posted this?
@NOlimitsON Жыл бұрын
Thank you)) To be honest I didn't notice anything specific...
@ST-fl5fy Жыл бұрын
Hey great video. I’m new to editing and looking for a new camera. Photographer mainly coming from Nikon. The canon R6 mk II suits me but the Sony is nice also. My question, isn’t the ninja a better choice for anyone shooting because ProRes plays back so well and looks so good? As well as the latter monitor? Do Sony files play no problem in mbp M1 Max? I’m trying to figure out whether I go Canon or Sony am I just saving myself time using a ninja?
@NOlimitsON Жыл бұрын
Hey) thanks! Sony files are working perfectly fine even on M1 Pro base model, I think M1 Max will have 0 issues with any of those
@williamayton3148 3 жыл бұрын
I mainly bought my 'Ninja V' (Arriving Friday) as a monitor and as a cheaper, long term storage when compared to SD cards. What I might do, is use PreRes RAW and do a shoot in S-Log3, as I still think S-Log3 isn't great on the a7s iii when compared to the fs7 and other bigger Sony cameras. What I am really looking forward to, is the false colours and scopes on the Ninja V. As I will be abel to nail exposure everytime VS the tiny monitor on the a7s iii.
@NOlimitsON 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the comment) Great choice! I also own Sony FS7 and going to compare it against Sony a7s III, so stay tuned for that video)
@williamayton3148 3 жыл бұрын
@@NOlimitsON Great. I know the fs7 loses in lower light situations, but I always thought the fs7's S-log3 looked great in good lighting.
@NOlimitsON 3 жыл бұрын
@@williamayton3148 it definitely is great in good lighting, but we'll see in straight comparison))
@sofronio. 3 жыл бұрын
Very, very good video. A7s3 is a real weapon!
@NOlimitsON 3 жыл бұрын
Thanx! I appreciate it!
@YoungBlaze 3 жыл бұрын
Make sure you dont hurt nobody with that weapon
@marinrealestatephotography 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video, and thanks for debunking the myth that RAW has some magical ability to recover highlights that would otherwise be blown using the 10-bit codecs. And thank you for the "fun part" at 2:35 where we get to see all the wonderful colors of 8-bit LOG. It's very... um... special.
@NOlimitsON 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Glad you loved it! Appreciate it!
@aristotle_4532 3 жыл бұрын
Here is some copy from a company selling 32bit float audio recording: "Users can treat audio like photographers use the RAW camera photo format. You don’t need to worry about the gain of the recorded audio. All details can simply be adjusted in post-production, significantly reducing pre-shoot preparation time. Recorded too low? Simply raise the volume without raising the noise floor."
@Whaever_1981 3 жыл бұрын
Hi, thx for the great video! So ProRes Raw is exposed the same as Slog? In other words around +1.7EV for most scenarios. Correct? So strange that that ProRes Raw does such a terrible job when underexposed by a stop. It should in theory be the exact opposite, if ProRes Raw is indeed 12 bit Log in scale. So when you exposed the A7SIII it gave a 0EV reading on the A7SIII screen, correct? Thx again !
@NOlimitsON 3 жыл бұрын
Hey, thank you! Yes, exposing is the same - protecting your highlight and exposing at +1,7 - +2 EV. ProRes Raw should be performing better after applying Neat Video Denoise - so I’ll make a separate video about it + there are new ProRes Raw ISO control and WB should be already added
@Whaever_1981 3 жыл бұрын
@@NOlimitsON excellent! Thx!
@drafeirha 3 жыл бұрын
There is still some conflicting information out there on whether the cleaner image at 4 stops over base ISO is the result of dual native ISO or just in camera noise reduction. Can you confirm that the image cleans up in ProRes Raw as well when switching ISO from 10k to 12.8k? Do you think the camera actually has dual native ISO or not?
@NOlimitsON 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, I do confirm that in RAW the image gets clearer when switching to 12800 ISO from 10 000, I do think it's a dual native ISO camera, but 12800 has slightly less dynamic range though, that is why it can not be officialy called the dual native ISO.
@iamjiroe 3 жыл бұрын
Can I ask, what prores option are available in the ninja? ProRes LT, 422, HQ?
@NOlimitsON 3 жыл бұрын
You are right! Exactly those options
@daycreek 3 жыл бұрын
At high ISO's, ProRes Raw cleans up incredibly well using noise reduction software. Once applied, you'll be amazed how much better footage looks compared to in-camera--much sharper and cleaner.
@NOlimitsON 3 жыл бұрын
Great! I definitely need to try it out!
@FesliyanStudios 3 жыл бұрын
What software do you recommend to reduce the noise? Any way to do it quickly in Premiere?
@NOlimitsON 3 жыл бұрын
@@FesliyanStudios The best one hands down is Neat Video! It is a little pricy, but worth every dollar! The in-built in DaVinci Resolve is also pretty ok
@daycreek 3 жыл бұрын
@@FesliyanStudios I use Davinci Resolve and use their own noise reduction built-in to the studio version. I have also used Neat Video NR in the past and that's a great plug-in that will work with Premiere. There are others too, but never tried them.
@NOlimitsON 3 жыл бұрын
Neat Video - 100%
@jasonlindquistmedia 3 жыл бұрын
Hey nice vid, I wanna get that Hdmi cable thats right angle that u have does it work with 4k 60p on the ninja v?? I want one so its easy to handheld the a7siii without alot on it so its not weird
@NOlimitsON 3 жыл бұрын
Hey, thanx)) at least my cable does work, but it’s pretty cheap though, so I guess there’s no 100% guarantee
@themustang181 3 жыл бұрын
First off, great comparison. Thanks for putting in the time! Secondly, you mention the noise performance not being as good in RAW, but I would just like to point out that if you actually need to shoot RAW for a project it's probably because you're a professional who's shooting pretty expensive stuff, in which case you'll already have a noise reduction post workflow that negates the need for it in camera, and quite likely does a better job... just a thought.
@NOlimitsON 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I totally agree, I’ll make a separate video comparison about RAW with Neat Video vs internal codec
@maxcarroll5670 3 жыл бұрын
@@NOlimitsON I need this video!!!
@NOlimitsON 3 жыл бұрын
@@maxcarroll5670 still didn’t make one...(
@ThePeopleWeMeet 3 жыл бұрын
Unbelievable video. Thank you. I'm running into an issue on the Ninja & A7siii. When i select ProRes raw or ProRes HQ - The ninja shows me the feed from the camera. When I select standard ProRes (HQ, LT, 422), my Ninja says "No input". Any ideas?
@ThePeopleWeMeet 3 жыл бұрын
I solved this. I turned off "Raw Output".
@NOlimitsON 3 жыл бұрын
Thanx! I think it might be an HDMI Cable issue... did you try another one? Or if it's not in the cable can you send me to insta DM the photos of your Ninja V settings where you choose camera and profile and of your Sony a7s III the HDMI output settings - we'll try to solve this problem))
@ThePeopleWeMeet 3 жыл бұрын
@@NOlimitsON Hey - Turns out that I needed to turn off "Raw Output" in HDMI settings. Thanks for your help. Another quick question (if you have the time)... Can (and how) you record prores 420 on the ninja?
@NOlimitsON 3 жыл бұрын
@@ThePeopleWeMeet As far as I know you always record 4:2:2, when shooting ProRes
@Newt211 3 жыл бұрын
Your video was quite educational. I liked how you saturated the colors so we could see the gradiant changes. That has been one of the best illustrations I have seen for the newbie. --> me
@NOlimitsON 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I appreciate it! Stay tuned ☺️
@MichaelWeizenfeld 3 жыл бұрын
Отличный тест! Спасибо! Разница между внутренней и внешней записью скорее всего связана с тем что внутренняя находится в legal range, а внешняя записывается с full swing. Так было уже сто лет на рекордерах Атомос. По шуму камера разочаровала. Напомнило шумы на старушке FS700R, видимо, это какое-то проклятие у сони. Спрашивается, где здесь пресловутые 16 бит, если тени так сильно шумят. Даже учитывая что это вещи напрямую не связанные, пользы видимо от этих 16 бит нету, т.к. новые 12 битные камеры типа S1H или S5 в видео DP Journey шумят намного меньше. Как по мне, тестирование на ISO25600 пожалуй, бесполезное, лучше было на базовых побольше сделать т.к. на таких значениях нормальные люди не снимают) В общем, видимо, останусь на Пакете 4К. Новые камеры всё выходят и выходят, но компромиссы остаются)
@robertsaca3512 2 жыл бұрын
What of you're using Resolve to grade (and NLE)? Or Premiere?
@NOlimitsON 2 жыл бұрын
Final cut) and the ProRes RAW is only working on final cut as well
@franklinmichael671 3 жыл бұрын
how does the in camera noise reduction compare to noise reduction in post? Do you retain more sharpness? Is prores raw worth it for low light footage?
@NOlimitsON 3 жыл бұрын
Hey) Yes, you do get more detail and sharpness using RAW plus noise reduction in post. Philip Bloom shot in RAW in lowlight a lot and results were very impressive! I'd say it is worth shooting in RAW even in lowlight
@franklinmichael671 3 жыл бұрын
@@NOlimitsON Yeah I watch Philip blooms video, thanks! My a7siii is on it's way haha, still considering the ninja v.
@NOlimitsON 3 жыл бұрын
@@franklinmichael671 great! I have a lot of videos about a7s3 and ninja V - you can check them out ☺️ I even have a playlist about Sony a7s3
@franklinmichael671 3 жыл бұрын
@@NOlimitsON I'll definitely check it out! Thanks!
@prayforpeace2204 2 жыл бұрын
I hope someone can help me. I have done several side by side tests showing Prores Raw being recorded 3 stops darker than Prores HQ (using the exact same camera settings). Any idea why this is happening?
@klassenpage 3 жыл бұрын
Atomos Ninja is a awesome monitor 🔥
@NOlimitsON 3 жыл бұрын
Agree))
@ShadowsofSmoke 3 жыл бұрын
I 've been shooting with the A7SIII and Ninja V in RAW since Sept 24th. It's why I bought the A7SIII. Why on earth would anyone shoot differently??? Don't answer that, O.K.
@NOlimitsON 3 жыл бұрын
Thanx for watching) tell us about your experience and how do you expose, color grade and deal with the noise?
@ShadowsofSmoke 3 жыл бұрын
@@NOlimitsON I expose ISO 640 or 12800 1.5-2.0 stops, further adjusting exposure using PMVND filters. I color grade in Premiere with FilmConvert. If you expose properly, there is very little noise, if any at all. Only use base ISO's.
@NOlimitsON 3 жыл бұрын
@@ShadowsofSmoke totally agree my friend))
@CostaSparrow 2 жыл бұрын
Anyone could shoot differently by a couple of reasons, main of those for me: 1. I'm fond of davinci resolve and Prores Raw forces me to use stupid workarounds with converting which consume additional time and storage space; 2. you have no noise reduction and lens correction, and if you can easily deal with former, you can have a headache with latter as you usually should manually mess with geometry sliders and its a pain.
@youuuuuuuuuuutube 3 жыл бұрын
RAW recording is absolutely necessary if you're looking for the best possible IQ, as you are able to control the noise yourself on your computer, and get much better results than the A7siii's internal denoiser. However, if IQ is not necessary, then obviously internal recording is fine.
@NOlimitsON 3 жыл бұрын
Totally agree))
@mcronfpv8736 3 жыл бұрын
Hello. Gh5s owner. How do you do e noise Réduction with fcpx? (Built in plugin? Neat video? ). Also what about the lens distortion? (Alex 4d? Any better solution)
@photogenic2010 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comparison, it took cheaper cameras 30 years to catch up with true pro specs, (Thank you panasonic for starting it with the Gh5). But I wish you would pause every now and then to take a breath of air between sentences :-)
@NOlimitsON 3 жыл бұрын
Sure! Thank you for the comment!
@BassPlayerAvailable 3 жыл бұрын
Same here. Slow down please for us Sony noobs.
@lucrativestance 2 жыл бұрын
Would pro res Hq also be a good solution for those that don’t want to shoot in pro res raw?
@NOlimitsON 2 жыл бұрын
I don't see a big difference between ProRes HQ and 422 and LT, but it's really different from RAW... so I don't use RAW in my workflow, I use ProRes LT and it's more than enough
@lucrativestance 2 жыл бұрын
@@NOlimitsON awesome, thanks for reply
@georgerady9706 11 ай бұрын
Gerald Undone notes that the Sony Alpha 1 can record in 8K and put 4K out to the Ninja V but with higher quality… I wonder if the Ninja V plus - which can process 8K - can still be kept down to 4K for the better quality w/o the massive more storage… I still think ProRes will take up less space on my NAS and will still be processed on my 2017 MacBook (because I already bought an Asus and I ready to switch to DaVinci the next Apple tries to force me to buy more overpriced hardware by BRICKING my machine on an OS upgrade!)
@jphoto7582 Жыл бұрын
I've been testing and log has its place but I prefer cineD.
@rattoh 3 жыл бұрын
Wish we could reduce the NR with the internal codec, not a fan of loss in detail. I prefer proresraw when I can use it but hate the extra bulk at times.
@NOlimitsON 3 жыл бұрын
It's always a compromise... even with RED or Alexa cameras...
@TimandLauren 3 жыл бұрын
Does this test apply for the sony fx3 as well since its similar to the a7siii?
@NOlimitsON 3 жыл бұрын
I guess for 99% it can be applied to FX3
@TimandLauren 3 жыл бұрын
@@NOlimitsON thabks no limit Also, i bought some expensive sd cards for my fx3 If i use the ninja v, i wont need these right, Just an ssd? What projects would you use memory cards vs ninja v then?
@NOlimitsON 3 жыл бұрын
@@TimandLauren I would always use both for backup (on SD cards) and ease of workflow (with pro res)
@ratt57 3 жыл бұрын
Is it possible to shoot in s-cinetone on the a7siii and also record pro-res on the ninja v?
@NOlimitsON 3 жыл бұрын
Hey! Sure! S-Cinetone is just a picture profile overall, but only in regular ProRes, not ProRes RAW. In ProRes RAW the internal recording will always be in S-Log3
@ratt57 3 жыл бұрын
@@NOlimitsON Doesn't work for me. In order to shoot in Pro-Res, I have to set my camera output to raw, which defaults back to S-log with desaturated colors. If I'm doing something wrong, I'd really like to know what it is. When I turn off or unplug the Ninja from my a7siii, the camera goes back to s-cinetone.
@NOlimitsON 3 жыл бұрын
@@ratt57 If you mean the regular ProRes (Not RAW), you don't have to put your camera in RAW output. Just set you HDMI out to auto or 2160p and turn off RAW output. And you can set any PP and record ProRes (not ProRes RAW) on the Ninja V
@newframesgmbh 2 жыл бұрын
I am using 12 bit raw for commercials. 10 Bit is perfekt for stuff like weddings, image movies or porn. Thanks for the video 👍
@NOlimitsON 2 жыл бұрын
Welcome, stay tuned)
@antdx316 Жыл бұрын
Can you use the Atomos Ninja V ProRes RAW on an A7R4 and turn it into 12-bit 4:2:2 Recording?
@NOlimitsON Жыл бұрын
I’m not sure… you need to check out the specs of A7R4
@nariza7 3 жыл бұрын
Now that ISO metadata is supported for prores raw from atomos ninja, could prores raw technically recover overly exposed shots by lowering the ISO in final cut pro x?
@NOlimitsON 3 жыл бұрын
if you have room for it, for instance you shot at ISO 2000 and overexposed strongly - than yes, you'll be able to recover the highlights, at least in theory, I need to check it on my FCP, but if you shot during midday with iso 100 f1,4 and 1/50 shutter with no ND filter on - the data will be unrecoverable for sure
@aristotle_4532 3 жыл бұрын
Highlight recovery is a myth. If it reaches full scale, it's full scale, it's lost. Cameras allow 3-5 stops of exposure over the subject, but that's normal dynamic range that is required to cover a normal scene, not room for error. Shooting at extremely flat lighting and claiming there is such a thing as highlight recovery for 3-4 stops is ridiculous. There is a type of recovery that works. The one using the area the cameras use to clip all three channels into white without the partially clipped false color look. But that is minimal and looks bad. It's practically useless. There is no such thing as shadow recovery either. If you have a high dynamic range and a format with high PSNR (or RAW), you can boost shadows and raise noise at the same time. That is not recovery, it's merely a change in exposure after the actual exposure, using an exposure that did not fit the scene, with all the disadvantages. Long story short, exposure is critical if you want to get the best image quality. Highlight recovery is impossible. Boosting shadows has noise cost.
@NOlimitsON 3 жыл бұрын
@@aristotle_4532 Exactly! Great comment, man! Agree! Exposure is king!
@aristotle_4532 3 жыл бұрын
What is more ridiculous that LOG 8bit is using reduced saturation in camera to allow room for changing it in post. The format has a fixed PSNR, so the lower chroma is recorded, the lower the quality will be, the more blocky and lower in precision it will be, and the worse it will look when you raise it in post. If you want good saturation with high chroma precision, you have to get it in camera. The same applies to reduced sharpness. The only advantage of LOG is the raised shadows. Those are recorded with better quality because they are recorded higher. You will be extending the midrange if you want to reduce them in post though, and the midrange is usually more important. If you get the look in camera, congratulations. You have optimized the compression and overall image quality, by processing the image in the highest precision representation it will ever have, and you will do less in the lower precision representations that will follow
@NOlimitsON 3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely! Great comment, my friend! Agree!
@MylonasFilms 3 жыл бұрын
Why were you using XAVC-S & not XAVC-I? Much better codec. Also there was no mention of using denoising with Neat Video which makes RAW so much better than XAVC internal as it preserves almost all the detail & remains sharp. In essence, RAW is better for underexposed shots & you said the opposite.
@NOlimitsON 3 жыл бұрын
I was using XAVC-S because it’s a much more convenient codec in terms of storage and I compared all the codecs in my iPhone 12 Pro Max vs a7s3 video and saw no difference in quality what do ever... I’ll make a separate video about lowlight performance in RAW and I’ll use neat video and compare RAW and internal formats. So after all the tests I’ll for sure find out the best option) thank you for the comment, it motivates me a lot to continue ☺️
@dreamsrealityproductions9112 3 жыл бұрын
What hdmi records prores raw at 60fps? I have the coiled Kondor Blue one and it’s not working
@NOlimitsON 3 жыл бұрын
It's hard to find the right cable... you either need to buy the one from Atomos or go through a dozen of third party ones...((
@Haverr1 3 жыл бұрын
@@NOlimitsON i bought a cheap "delock" hdmi cable and it works like a charm D:
@NOlimitsON 3 жыл бұрын
@@Haverr1 you’re lucky))
@maxcarroll5670 3 жыл бұрын
Do a tutorial on denoising raw in neat video please :)
@NOlimitsON 3 жыл бұрын
I’ll try to make it next month)
@AshleyGonzalez-hh6up 3 жыл бұрын
@@NOlimitsON that would be awesome actually! Quick question if you see this - but I was shooting in raw yesterday with some blue and purple hair lights. It looked fine on my ninja but when I imported the files to Premiere Pro they were highly oversaturated and didn't look like raw or log footage at all. Am I doing something wrong? Lol!
@NOlimitsON 3 жыл бұрын
@@AshleyGonzalez-hh6up I think it's because of the wrong interpretation of RAW in your editing software. Check out my new Video on ProRes RAW - there I show the workflow
@gonzalomartinez9409 Жыл бұрын
what is the option to record in 12bits in the atom? I don't know how to configure it
@NOlimitsON Жыл бұрын
I guess you’d better just google it)
@rogerwaters8325 3 жыл бұрын
No catalyst stabilization on external...
@Oscariver 2 жыл бұрын
in camera denoise works with atoms ninja v?
@NOlimitsON 2 жыл бұрын
It does, but when you shoot in regular ProRes, not ProRes RAW
@Bobbylopezcreative 3 жыл бұрын
Not until they get the rest of the options available for prores raw. It’s rather pointless IMO right now.
@daanhannon2189 3 жыл бұрын
Can you use catalyst browse stabalisation on Prores 422?
@NOlimitsON 3 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately no... only with in-camera files as far as I know
@daanhannon2189 3 жыл бұрын
@@NOlimitsON Damn was planning on using it on my FX6 in the near future
@lucrativestance 2 жыл бұрын
Did you use a 18gbps hdmi cable?👀
@NOlimitsON 2 жыл бұрын
I don't think it was a proper 18gbps cable...
@lucrativestance 2 жыл бұрын
@@NOlimitsON that might be the problem to the pro res raw footage.. it needs that 18gbps in order to pull the full 12bit .. maybe idk lol.
@NOlimitsON 2 жыл бұрын
@@lucrativestance yeah) You're right) Thanx
@user-xq2hc7lf1f 3 жыл бұрын
hello I want to know how to format ssd card in Ninja Five.
@NOlimitsON 3 жыл бұрын
It's pretty simple - go to the upper right corner, hit the remaining recording time, than hit the media tab and there you'll see the format button) Or you can watch my in-depth Ninja V review to know all the features and functions))
@russchau 3 жыл бұрын
Why does your camera shows in 25fps? Mine is all in 24, 30, 60 and 120fps. Is there a big difference? I have been shooting in 24, 30 or 60 my whole life 😂
@NOlimitsON 3 жыл бұрын
Because I live in PAL area in Russia and here we use 25, 50, 100p. And you live in NTSC area - 24,30,60,120p. But you can easily switch the area in camera and shoot in different frame rate) just google for PAL and NTSC for more detailed info 😎
@markjob6354 3 жыл бұрын
*ISO and Colour Temperature is now unlocked and available, but only in Final Cut Pro X, and only if you have downloaded and installed the latest two patches on Catalina 10.15.6 ot 10.15.7 (I don't know about Big Sur ?). The problem with your tests is it's posted on KZfaq, and the tube only gives you an 8 Bit 4:2:0 colour space and 256 level of grey scale to work with. Also, KZfaq is crushing your blacks and highlights, so no one can actually see much of the differences to which your testing is referring to.*
@NOlimitsON 3 жыл бұрын
Mark, thank you for the info, but I've uploaded the original file to the cloud service and said about it in the video and in the description)) I knew about KZfaq Compression and that is why I uploaded the file))
@jijivishant 2 жыл бұрын
Can anyone tell me the workflow of prores raw in davinci
@NOlimitsON 2 жыл бұрын
It’s not available for davinci resolve at all
@akhilsanthosh4238 3 жыл бұрын
I can't open the raw footage on my premiere pro, Why this happened?
@NOlimitsON 3 жыл бұрын
I guess you have a rather old version of premiere... They've added the ProRes Raw support not long ago. That's the inly reason I see
@akhilsanthosh4238 3 жыл бұрын
@@NOlimitsON Am using the 2020 version but i can't open the file which you have uploaded
@NOlimitsON 3 жыл бұрын
@@akhilsanthosh4238 well, in FCP X it's working flawlessly... on my computer on my friends computers also...
@tonngooc8439 3 жыл бұрын
@@akhilsanthosh4238 Install prores raw for windows ! download frome apple.com
@petrub27 3 жыл бұрын
i can't monitor log/hdr when recording prores raw any reason?
@NOlimitsON 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, because ProRes RAW uses S-log3 as a default setting and the picture shown on the monitor is correct)
@petrub27 3 жыл бұрын
@@NOlimitsON when you use sony fs5 with aomos shogun in prores raw you can monitor log/ hdr;
@NOlimitsON 3 жыл бұрын
@@petrub27 hm... I think it just shows up like it's disabled, but it should show the HDR picture properly
@petrub27 3 жыл бұрын
@@NOlimitsON it doesn't. also the waveform is not accurate. i end up monitoring native , relaying on the false colors. too bad i can't take advantage of the beatifull hdr screen.
@pushingpandas6479 3 жыл бұрын
Raw does not denoise. You need denoise in postproduction when using raw.
@NOlimitsON 3 жыл бұрын
That is right)
@NovruzMirzoyev 11 ай бұрын
Что ты творишь братан какие ограничения, посмотри на рав на том же сенсоре в фото
@NOlimitsON 11 ай бұрын
RAW в фото и RAW в видео - две разных вещи. Учите мат.часть
@METAFIZIK.666 11 ай бұрын
то чувство когда знаешь что это голос олега))))))))))
@NOlimitsON 11 ай бұрын
Оу е))
@svenh.6792 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks,for the Video. But The Sound is not so good.
@NOlimitsON 3 жыл бұрын
Thanx) can you tell me what’s wrong with the sound and how I can improve it?
@svenh.6792 3 жыл бұрын
@@NOlimitsON It is very low/dull and it sounds like you are talking under a "blanket". Do not get me wrong. I want to try out ProRes and the comparison was very interesting. But the sound was not very clear.
@NOlimitsON 3 жыл бұрын
@@svenh.6792 okay! Thank you! I’ll do my best to improve it)
@thebossnocompetition8757 Жыл бұрын
Nope same shit different label. you will not increase the dynamic range from an camera with Pro RES footage compared to internal LOG footage if thats what you think.
@HealthHacks94 Жыл бұрын
too low sound
@pushingpandas6479 3 жыл бұрын
well, unless Ninja V will be capable of recording 120fps raw one day ...
@NOlimitsON 3 жыл бұрын
It would not...(( 60fps is the hardware limitation as far as I know
@pushingpandas6479 3 жыл бұрын
@@NOlimitsON :-(
@vladimirtalijan 3 жыл бұрын
People who needs raw will not shoot on a $3500 mirrorless camera :)
@RobbieSkadal 3 жыл бұрын
I wouldn’t be so sure about that... There’s a sea of aspiring filmmakers out there who could use the benefits of RAW for their beginning projects and. $3500 camera that will help produce incredible images and won’t break the bank. Then when their work gets noticed (if it’s good enough) they can make the jump to higher end cinema cameras.
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