I typically do not buy homage watches, but I bought a San Martin Sub homage V. 2, as a sort of test drive on recommendation before buying my real Rolex Sub. I figured I would see if I connected with the size, feel, etc., and figured I would give it away after getting the real thing. But now owning both, I still like the San Martin and wear it quite a bit for those times I don't want to take a chance or damaging, or losing (read: being stolen) a $10k+ watch. There is a difference between the two, but San Martin overall did a nice job with this watch, the quality is impressive at this price and I have actually enjoyed it quite a bit. Thank you for an interesting, well photographed review. Keep up the good work.

I like San Martin a lot. I have Rolexes, Omegas, Zenith ect. and I have no problem having a San Martin in the collection. Would not buy I sub replica though. I wish people would pay more attention to the not one to one copies on their catalogue. I feel like they are trying to get their own designs out more.

Nice to see you finally got your hand on a San Martin! They really are excellent watches for the money. I agree with your last point. I got this same modern sub homage to satisfy my curiosity, but just couldn't connect with it. On the other hand, the San Martin SN004G is a permanent part of my collection. The vintage look and proportions of that piece made it an absolute keeper. Looking forward to your microbrand!

I always enjoy your videos and your personality. I consistently appreciate the effort you put in to every video. I would never attack people like you that put themselves out there bravely and then hide anonymously like some do....

Great review. I really like your style, your channel and am looking forward to seeing your design as well.

Another great video brother. You know I always got your back ❤️

Homages are one of our hobbies *most* divisive subjects. It’s also a part of our hobby that evokes *the* most hypercritical responses. A Chinese *Patek* homage with a Chinese mov’t gets respect from enthusiasts if it’s a Baltic. A Swiss ‘replica’ (to borrow Andrei’s valid definition) of a Universal Genevé Compax or Rodania Geometer gets lauded if it’s from *Massena Lab…* An SM BB58 homage? Not so much. I have 2 San Martin watches. 1 Willard ‘copy’ that I never bonded with (and am about to sell). It’s a surprisingly good watch for the money! I had my brothers new Seiko (non LE) ‘Willard’ and the SM in hand at the same time and, imho, the SM was the better watch. I have a 39mm Vintage Explorer homage too. I got a custom dial done with my own ‘logo’ & ‘brand name’. Having that tiny bit of input into the piece helped me bond with it I think and it’s a terrific watch. But I have my SPB123J Alpinist on a bracelet, so the SM doesn’t really have room in the core collection - but it gets a heap of wear as a beater. The point that really resonated with me was, as *well made* and *inexpensive* as SM are, they’re not long term parts of *my* collection, and I actually paid *less* for my Glycine Combat Sub than what a San Martin with a PT5000 mov’t costs - and the Glycine will hold its value. All that said, I can see why people will and do really dig these watches and can and do create a collection around them. It’s just not really for me, that doesn’t make it ‘wrong’ or anything else with negative connotations. Just different than me. That’s *good.* I want to hear and learn about other peoples collecting philosophies.

Don't always agree with your takes, but you're never boring---and that's something I can't say for a lot of watch channels. Cheers brother!

I think that may be a modded bezel on the San Martin. From what I recall they have a recessed lum pip. Also, the solid end links really jut out on the San Martin making it wear unreasonably big.

I like San Martin's as they have all been quite good quality for the price, but I never understood the name. It is a Chinese brand, but the name reminds me of it being Spanish

You are the only one to mention the horrible font for the dial text using Arial , it ruins every one of their watches, I'm glad you mentioned it. Really should use another font

Nice review, and you did just right with the other review 👏👏👏, at least you are onest ⭐️

Your videos are top. Keep on posting. I enjoy and like the way. You see the hobby ok. Please go on

Love your content thank you.

I recently bought a San Martin from the official website and I noticed a few things about it. It's about the SN021-g b2 in black. According to the manufacturer, the bandwidth should be 20mm, but it is 19mm and no its not with the printed logo. I also noticed that the manual winding does not work smoothly. As soon as you set the time and I push in a notch, the minute hand shifts quite a bit and there is also a strong resistance that doesn't make it easy to push in. It's not my first automatic watch and I've never had this problem with any of my others. I still have 2 years of warranty. I have written to San Martin several times but nothing has come from their side and their phone number does not exist. Who should I contact and how can I to fix the problem? Thank you and best regards

Absolutely. San Martin pound for pound is a sleeper of watch. I have the rolex explorer homage and the specs are insane. Their issue is more of an aesthetic one but in terms of specs, they are providing way more than the price point.

Always enjoy your content. The Edox has peaked my interest. I don't think it is very well known here in the US.

Where did you get this San Martin? The SN019/SN017v3 dont have this bezel pip.

I have the bronze diver new model, and a bronze pilot A dial. They are both nicely made watches, and I like them a lot. The diver is my favorite and I wear it every day.

Not usually a fan of homages, but got a Ploprof by Steeldive recently & actually pretty impressed with it ..tho I'm upset at the mo coz I broke the crown off my Omega sm300 last night and forsee a hefty bill 😢 Congrats on the new job. Look forward to seeing your microbrand 👏🏻👍👍

Glad you didn't get offended. Ignore the haters and continue generating great content. Well done 👍

My man told you you will succeed, low how you are developing. Keep going brother 👍

Can you link to this San Martin model?

Very nice comparison! Quality video in 4K :) I'm sorry but you say it is the SN019-G, which I think is not the case. It's obviously the SN017-G, which is V3 on Aliexpress. The easy way to tell is the rehaut being visible (SN017-G) or hidden by rounded edge sapphire (SN019-G), as on the real Sub. Two others slight differences are case size (40.5mm vs 41mm) and lugs width (20mm vs 21mm). And one very easy to spot, is bezel edge is polished not brushed on SN019. Finally, SN017 is usually found around

Great content brother 👍

Great opening remarks! Well said... ✌🙌

I love my 114060! But for travel and safety a San Martin would be a great travel dive watch .

These 4k shots look insane

San Martin is a good balance of cheap (in a good way) and a solid product quality. EDIT: will never sell my SN004-G. Till it works, it works. Its the daily.

I think your content is really great .. keep up the good work !

Can you please let us know what is the best place to buy used watches in Europe?

With Rolex MSRPs now well and truly beyond a "normal" person's reach ($10,000 for a Submariner Date) and actual, "get it on the wrist today"-prices a lot higher, I don't see why homages should be looked down upon. Certainly when it comes to brands that don't stick too closely to the Rolex-details (like Steinhart) but also for brands that do ... like SM. I just bought their BB Pepsi GMT homage a few weeks ago and this thing has been hogging my wrist ever since it got here. It wears and feels like a Rolex or a Tudor, the finishing is excellent and I could've had it for just over $300 had I known about skbwatches who ship certain models from a EU-warehouse. Ordering from China, I paid ~ $360/€320, all in ... which is still pretty good value for what's on offer here.

Meh, some people called me a watch snob while the most expensive watch I own is a Tissot Seastar 2000 Professional. Don't listen to the nobs for they know not what they say. As for the difference between a replica and an homage is that a replica is trying to be that which it isn't while the homge is just being itself.

Keep it up man! Probably the best photography among the watch channels!

Will open mine to figure out if ils a tué sellita inside

Look forward to seeing your microbrand too!

The San Martin appears to be a solid watch at the price point. And the price is important if you actually plan to wear the watch in a real work environment. One would not be too distraught if this watch got banged up as it can easily be replaced. One thing about this watch that I am not too impressed with is the movement. A Seiko NH35 - at the San Martin price point - seems like a way to save money. For them, not the buyer. There are so many other watches out there employing the NH35 that this use seems like a cop out. Still, a good watch for the price. Just not that special.

Brave Beaters, was the edges sharp as previously versions?

Looking forward to your microbrand!

Bezel insert above crystal is no go for me. It would make to much hustle when cleaning crystal. Nevertheless for some reason i understand this move for better protection of a crystal.

Brave Beaters! Which watch do you prefer in the 500-700 dollar category? :)

I would never spend more than £500 on a watch because i have family that is a much more rewarding place to help with my money. If you are the sort of persons that spending thousands on a watch makes you truly happy in life then buying a homage first is a great way to find out of that design is really what you want.

Always good (to) watch 😉

Jesus , seeing the legit thing next to it, you can see the quality of finish being on another level. Def happy enough w/ the San Martin considering it being like 2% of the price lol

I like San Martin and Sugess especially from the Chinese market. Sugess has a Daytona homage that just knocks it out of the park using either a 7750 or a 4130 clone.

The San Martin lolks better lol its proper proportionate from lume size to dial size making everything symmetrical plus the whiter markings on the bezel. Personally 42mm is the perfect size for a sub too. I wish to upgrade to a San Martin soon. Currently have a Pagani Design 1661 gold

Edox looks like a different watch to me. Has its own personality.

People seam to be ok with Steinhart but not San Martin i have a San Martin it's a very nice watch .

San Martin bezel modified? they don't have a protruding pearl

San martin doesnt put lume pipes on their subs .... That bezel insert isnt from san martin. Dont spread misinformation

San Martin has great value, however, the logo is very poor. Not sure why they can't get that right.

I've bought a few homages over the years but they always get sold on. However, I have a San Martin sub and also their retro diver and I've hung onto them because they are so well made.

Is San Martin good watch today?👌

I would avoid conflating terms 'replica' and 'homage'. KZfaq gods might not favor you if they think you are talking of illegal counterfeits, which is the definition of 'replica'. Homages, on the other hand, might copy design as close as possible, but they are never replicas. Why San Martin microbrand focuses mainly on homages? Simple, to minimize risk and cost. I welcome low watch prices when the quality is not compromised.

Throwing in a like to offset the haters. If you’re getting this upset about watches, you need a new hobby.

Very fair comparo. Looked at objectively and price independent the Rolex is my least favorite. I dislike the repeated Rolex around the rehaut, there's way too much writing on the dial and it is much an homage as anything given that the Fifty Fathoms predates it. Unless I'm trying to make money from appreciation, I see no reason to bother with Rolex. Second I place the Edox because I think San Martin is a fine value. But then, I'm someone who won't ever pay more than $2000 for a watch. I see no reason to sell a SM when I tire of it as there's not enough value to make it worth the hassle. If I get bored of a Chinese watch I give it to someone or put it in a drawer. Can't wait for your microbrand. So long and thanks for all the vids!

San Martin is a quality watch. I respect the brand.

I think you made a mistake, you have reviewed the sn017 not the sn019 ….

They are actually starting to product original designs

I already know I would buy your microbrand watch👍 Just make sure it has a good meaningful name and I would be honored to own one. P.S. I could use a milsub in my collection 😁

You may say that Original 62MAS and Captain Willard are unobtainable, but Tudor black bay can be bought at AD. Rolex on the other hand, is disgustingly unobtainable at the moment simply because no AD in the world will tell you that they have one in stock. Is that true or not? Who knows. But pretty soon Rolex will cease to become a grey dealer darlin. Grey dealer will soon have to find work in restaurant waiting tables.

If you live in the UK don't buy San Martin. Their customer service is awful and charge you to return faulty products. Pagani design have free returns to a UK shipping address and are a safer bet.

Since you think that replicating a submariner from the 70s or 80s is ok, you should’ve gotten the SN004G to make it a bit fairer.

Ill take the San Martin over the edox and glycine any day. Not only that, but it is superior in almost all criteria, the most significant being the quality of finishing and value proposition.

SM is a copy, not a homage! Why do they not bring in some original designs? They obviously have the capacity

I could afford the Rolex, but don't like the wait list, and I like buying Apple stock instead of on a watch I guess. The San Martin looks to scratch that itch it looks like.

San Martin looks great. Wearing it is a disaster. All the edges of the case and the crown are sharp as hell. My biggest dissapointment in 2021.

San Martin hands aren't finished very well. Get an original design, a Certina or a Christopher Ward have far better movements, clasps, and finishing.

San Martin destroyed Edox completely in macro shot

You really have annoyed me ! A Superman T-shirt ! Everyone knows Batman, and maybe Spiderman are the greatest superheroes !!! I am now questioning your taste and judgement,- and everything you have told me about watches !!! I would also accept Iron Man.

Take no notice of the naysayers and nobody’s. 😂 🇬🇧🇺🇦🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Ps. San-martin make a really nice watch.

Excellent take on these watches. Agree with your last point, I was going to pull the trigger on a 36mm SM Explorer (still on my Amazon wishlist) but for the same money, I can buy a 39mm Glycine Bienne 1914, or for even less, a Combat Sub, which are original designs from a brand with real heritage. I think is funny how in the wristwatch world the word cloning evolved to "homage"...

If I had the Rolex I’d sell it and get the Edox and save the rest 🤷🏻‍♂️.

Reality vs. Conspicuous consumption Winner? Reality... unless your rich friends will oust you from their country club.

I see it is so logical and reasonable to compare a $200 watch to a $16,000 watch eh? Make all the sense….

libre a toi de faire comme tu le souhaites mon garcon

I really want to like San Martin watches. I've owned a half a dozen over the years. Flipped the all. They just feel a bit cheap.

it's unfair to compare a bicycle to a sports car

May want to be careful calling homages by the name of the model they resemble. For example, calling the San Martin watch a "Submariner," which can be interpreted by the KZfaq standards as counterfeit, which would get this video deleted, along with the channel getting a strike. You may want to check out what Gary at ILikeWatches/ILikeWatches2 has been going through with exactly this issue, and especially regarding San Martin watches.

Homages are OK but having the real deal there is nothing like it and they are missing out on that by buying a substitute, the only thing I homage is God.

Second!!! :)

We need to get real here, they are pretty much disposable watches, no after service, no spare parts and no authorized dealers.

bracelet= horrible; power reserve= 7h wtf ? yeah san martin is horrible...

"homage" really means "design knock off", but people prefer "homage" to make themselves feel better. They only fool themselves.

Did you delete the video with the thumb "A man & his 🟤 watch"?