Hello Guys, Could you please do something about the Strategic icons? They come up too early, you cannot enjoy the graphics. Maybe add a "slider" to them in the Menu? 0% Zoom level - 25% Zoom level - 50% Zoom level - 75% Zoom level - 100% Zoom level - You just put a tick in the box which setting you want to use in game. A little feedback on the Patreon: I would recommend to make it visible, that you have to pay Tax on top of the subscription. This would have been my first Patreon contribution, managed to convince myself to pay the €100 then on check out there was another €20 or €25 slapped on top of it. Long time Patreon users might know this already, but as a first time user, this was an annoying shock that made me not to pay. Yet. Looking forward to play the game at some point! Keep up the good work, Guys! Feri

Mad respect for all this, good idea as well to make it so expensive. If everyone gets the game now, a lot of people would be disappointed and spread bad news or just not play it again. Better to keep us hyped than to let us down. (Obviously there are some people like me and the KZfaqr here who's name I forgot who can accept the fact that this is pre pre pre alpha and they could afford it though, which sadly I can not lol) But anyways, keep up the good work!

This is a healthy attitude towards the dev and launch of this game. Good luck on development and I look forward to more!

Ur a scam bud

There is, it's called "beyond all reason" (or bar for short) and it's free

​@@olegoleg258BAR is a TA successor, not of supcom. The 2 are very different in gameplay style

@@volodymyr_budii apologies, and thank you for the correction. It seems I confused the two titles because I played neither

@@olegoleg258 Modders game. We need an actual, big budget, commercial remake / remaster / sequel to TA. It's been quarter century. Still nothing.

Maybe you wanna check "beyond all reason" it's free and make this look like crap at all level.

Yeah, let's see it fail in all the details.

Thanks for your support!

After Umbra (Now Wolcen) I'll never trust a kickstarter backed game again. Just purchase after release.

As written!

I expect you will but did not see anything on it on the little what I read

If irrc, the campaign would mbe a kickstarter goal or something similar. The devs are definitely planning on it, its just a matter of wheter the kickstarter will be succesfull enough

They say on their site that if they meet their Kickstarter goal they aim to make a full Campaign that can be played either solo or coop

a scripted version of the galactic conquest with lore and a couple of cutscenes would have done wonders for the experience. also legion (second faction mod) still can't be used in galactic conquest which is a shame. the lack of other factions really hurts that game for me.

@@purpledragons4856 Planetary Annihilation is extremely techinically advanced at least for when ut was released, but everything else is so barebones

Kickstarter will only launch when the team are satisfied with the quality of any demo which will be released alongside it. Thanks for supporting Sanctuary!

Good to hear. SupCom is one of my favorite games ever.

And free (forever), even though it beats many full price games in actual quality, features and development updates. It's effectively being developed by a huge community of fans of TA on a volunteer basis.

Yeah, shattered sun is already obsolete with BAR existing.

All the people mentioning BAR in this comment section - you know Zero-K is also a TA successor. It's already out and available for free on Steam. How come no one here is talking about Zero-K?

@@ArawnOfAnnwn cos BAR feels current, on the level of Sanctuary... and zero k feels a couple generations old already unfortunately. Harder to sell to the masses.

@@evilme73 What makes you say zero-k feels old? What's old about it?

Shame SupCom 2 finished on a cliffhanger 😭

I just don't like the name.. Sanctuary is a meaningless term, it doesn't clap like Supreme Commander

@@V.Hansen tbf, the whole title: "Sanctuary: Shattered Sun" goes really hard

@@V.Hansenok so say shattered sun that sounds cool

Zero K is waaaay over complicated imo, more stuff for the sake of more stuff - BAR is also playable and far more elegant in design

@@fiachnaodonnell7895 Plus Zero K just looks bad

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Sanctuary has many holes spread all around it to let light out, which us then reflected back on the surface by mirrors in space.

I had the same thought but it could also be in a binary star system .. with a small and weak second sun probably.

The same place as the music

@@MrunHide nah there a holes in the dyson sphere that let light out, which is then reflected back onto the sphere by giant mirror satelites.

I know right - me too!

Thanks for that @Tentacl, we've always had great artists from day 1 in our founding team.

BAR and Sanctuary are quite different in gameplay from each other, so they shouldn't have high competition for playerbase between each other. BAR is much closer to TA, while Sanctuary is closer to supcom FAF, which works quite differently.

All the people mentioning BAR in this comment section - you know Zero-K is also a TA successor. It's already out and available for free on Steam. How come no one here is talking about Zero-K?

@@ArawnOfAnnwn Are you just gonna keep copy pasting this comment everywhere?

@@volodymyr_budii That is true. They are both different enough to have a different player base.

@@Oxygenep12 It isn't 'everywhere', it's in response to comments about BAR. And I notice you haven't answered the question.

That's on the roadmap don't worry!

The game simulation is very likely deterministic and would therefor be single threaded. Physics, networking, sound, AI, graphics, these are things which can be offloaded because it's not so important that all players (or threads) agree on when exactly they happened. Synchronising large amounts of data between threads is often slower than just running a single thread and you run into edge case issues where the engine errors out because it loses sync, or player inputs aren't registered, or you see something happen and then it immediately undoes itself etc. I expect they'll find the nice compromise between performance and consistency.

Hello t_rev, the sim and rendering parts of the code are completely multithreaded. What isn't is the "game" code. All game code runs on Lua as a mod. Even the vanilla game is a mod! We want modding support out of the box!

Btw, somebody knows if it would be possible to use different cores for different units? Then pathfinding, units behavior and soo on would be less impactfull.

Yes, we support multi-threading. When we started the project that was one of the our main goals ... to reduce different forms of latency: cpu latency like you are talking about and network latency. If you play the performance demo and look at your cpu core usage in task manager, you will see your cores get a workout.

@@UnofficialFoneE So someone could make a Forged Alliance mod! nice

Agreed I don't care for the commanders in this game.. the commanders in faf looked awesome

@@peterc504 I know what you mean.I think Sanctuary will be a good rts game , but no as great and awesome , as Supreme Commander.

There are very few bots so far because they need extra animation, and so weren't added yet

​@@peterc504Why? Isn't it cooler to have different commanders with different abilities and features (like EDA commander being hover) than having 4 copies of commander in FAF? Half the upgrades for commanders in FAF are literaly the same between each faction, only difference being where and for how much you get them.

We are trying to keep the game 'realistic' and the commanders are a reflection of that. Once we get commander chassis and upgrades they will get far more interesting, don't worry, these are the baseline commanders, and our plans for upgrades are much more substantial and visually different than in other games. The animations are in early stages (in fact everything is in early stages), they will get better!

No this isn't Spring, it's our own RTS codebase running on Unity and DOTS.

@@sanctuaryshatteredsun Nice! Anyone who loves TA enough to make a game like, ESPECIALLY from "scratch"... is good people in my book! I'll be sure to check it out! I'm gonna reem ya'll if you don't have fully configurable hotkeys or a left hand only GRID setup. xD [ok that's not fair in pre alpha but please make it part of your control scheme philosophy for old people and long term health.]

Unique abilities and chassis for commanders (Like EDA starter chassis is hover, Guard has 5 legs and will be able to move omnidirectionally, maybe even over some hills and slopes, Chosen comes with a shield by default). General features: Assist and assault drones that partially replace the game mechanic of tactical missiles and defenses against the. They can be launched from a special building/unit, and have to be shot down by special anti-drone weapons( though, it could always change) New 5th tier (though not really, T5 are expensive endgamers, and in supcom they were still labeled as experimentals/T4), that is gonna have only 2 units per faction - the sphere shatterer and Titan unit. Titan unit is basicaly super expensive unit that is supposed to end games, and for that reason, you need to put inside of it your commander during/after construction for it to work, so you either win with it, or die trying. For navy, I have heard something about some ships being able to break ice and still operate when everything is frozen. Aircraft carriers may be able to work as a land factory when frozen in ice Bridges over terrain, that could be destroyed and repaired, and units could move under them too. Huge collapsible buildings and city maps. Faction specific features: Chosen T3 assault bot will have 3 layers of shields that work independently Chosen T2 power generator can be directly upgraded to T3 Chosen air transports were said to be able to drop units on move Chosen get land T3 scout, idk what it will be doing though. Chosen will get T4 mobile shield generators. Chosen will have assist drones that could in some way boost shields. EDA gets a T4 Harvester/Mobile factory with a giant shredder in front, that kills and reclaimes everything in its path EDA Units have second line of HP - armor, that can be cheaply repaired by special buildings/units. While all units comes with it from a factory by default, you can also put this armor on any building to give them additional HP. All EDA shields provide stealth to units under them. EDA air factory by default works as air staging building too. EDA gunships don't hover - they fly around their target in circle like AC-130. It isn't that important, but a neat feature. EDA gets a cluster nuke - in its final stage it splits into multiple weaker warheads to cover bigger area( Shooting it down requires same amount of charges as other nukes). For commander ability, EDA will get an EMP blast, no info on what other 2 factions get yet. EDA will have assist drones that could repair armor. Guard units get regeneration on all of their units. If they are i range of Transmitter( we know of a building, most likely be a mobile version too and different levels of strength of it), they get a boost to regeneration, vision and radar. Guard will get plenty of advanced intel tools and such, though, I have no specific info. Guard T2/T3 factories could produce multiple units of lover tier than the factory at the same time. Guard nuke is a strong lazer, that is reflected by 2 mirror satellites. When above the target, it starts out with small damage over huge area, but focuses down with time into a smaller point and melts everything here. Guard T3 battleship could submerge how Seraphim destroyer in supcom. These are all things I know so far, but there are definitely more to be added, since we saw barely anything from air yet, and almost nothing from navy.

@@volodymyr_budii nice summary! We will add heaps more over time, but we are focusing on the engine at the moment, not the content.

Mirrors in space

Haha good one. Supreme Commander is still unbeaten to this day imo. I'll give Sanctuary a chance, though I haven't been fully convinced.

@@1989ElLoco When SC was created it got fundamentals perfectly. Tu surpass next have to be perfect then perfect. Chess 2 situation.

​@@1989ElLocoI totally agree..faf is amazing. I've tried all other rts like planetary annihilation, bar, zero k etc nothing even comes close to faf..I still feel even this game will fall short. Either way I'll be playing faf until the end of time lol

@@peterc504 the name FA 'forever' is chosen very well haha

@@1989ElLoco he he very true. Do you agree ?!

Big streetlights I assume.

1)Sanctuary has many huge holes spread all around it to let light out, which is then reflected back by mirrors in space 2)Sanctuary is only 0.024 AU in radius. Living on the inside is impossible, and making a huge 1 AU sphere/ring is just really bad. Besides, Living on the inside defeats the main purpose of the Dyson Sphere, which is to gather energy. Every bit of space used to live on the inside is a waste of space that could have been filled with solar panels instead.

@@volodymyr_budii I suppose that makes sense. Not that I've done the maths, but it does feel like a bigger sphere where the inside surface has a narrow equatorial band being habitable areas, and all the rest being solar collectors would be a higher % of area collecting solar energy than a tiny sphere with a bunch of holes in it. The bigger problem is that what is in essence a hollow artificial planet with a 0.024 AU radius would have absurdly high gravity, even if it's just tinfoil thick. A traditional Dyson sphere would spin to give you centrifugal gravity in a thin band around the equator. Though I suppose if you have the material science to build a Dyson sphere at all, you could spin it fast enough that the gravity differential would end up around 1g. But that again only really works around the equator.

@@Stukov961 Sphere being tinier would be much more efficient at gathering energy than a huge one. At the radius of 0.024 AU Sun should be providing around 1g gravity on the surface. From scraps of lore we have so far, Sanctuary has no/almost no rotation, and to keep "afloat " it uses bunch of accelerator rings( or whatever name they have), which basicaly spin at orbit velocity and provide a "foundation", that the surface layer could push off of using magnets. But anyway, trying to perfectly explain a Dyson Sphere is futile. Solid Dyson Sphere could never work - no possible material has enough rigidity and strength to keep it all together, being it either a spinning Dyson Sphere or solid one. Dyson swarm is only realistic design.

@@volodymyr_budii you're thinking of the inverse square law, and that's true if your solar panel is a fixed size. If however you completely surround a star, then you capture 100% of its output, regardless of how big the radius of your sphere is. The gravity of the sun, sure. But the Dyson sphere itself also has mass. But yes, no material we can even theoretically conceive of has the strength to make a solid Dyson sphere or ring world out of. And for a Dyson swarm, being closer to the star is beneficial, since it only covers a fraction of the arcs around the star. But if you're trying to live on Dyson swarm satellites, you don't have any gravity, you're just in orbit. You'd have to pair that concept with something like O'Niel cylinders to make it habitable. Or handwavy sci-fi artificial gravity I suppose, since you're collecting vast amounts of energy anyway.

It hasn't started yet. Most likely is gonna be launched until the end of this year

Binary solar system

@@coley5011 good save ;)

Sanctuary has holes spread all around it, which let light through outside, where they are reflected back by mirrors in orbit.

​@@coley5011No, it isn ot. Game is set in our solar system.

big LEDs

1)If you pay for Tier 5 patreon even once, you have the demo forever 2)The reason for such huge cost is to have very few people play it. Devs do not want to open up the game for bug public yet, but if you REALLY want to try it and can't wait, there is an option. Public demo will be open and free when ready, which it isn't yet.

Yeah feedback is very important, and negative feedback is even more important actually! The whole point is to make the game as best we can be and for that we want to know what is wrong with it :> I just wanted to clarify that the tier is 100 euros, and the benefit is a onetime purchase i.e. you keep the steam key if you cancel, and thats totally fine! We did it this way so we only get a couple of dozen testers to try out the game without us picking them, so we can be sure if the demo is going along the right track or not, but keeping numbers low. We figured that patreon was a good way to do this since we give people the chance to support the game at the same time, and all of our existing patreons were asking for the demo access, so this is how we are doing it : > We are planning on rolling out access wider and more affordably over time so this really is just a way for people who really want to throw money at us for some reason to get a chance to do so. Its definitely not for everyone and most people should wait - we are working hard on the game and will make it available wider when its ready for it!

The full release might happen around late 2025 or 2026, but we are very likely to get public demo during kickstarter launch sometimes this year

@@volodymyr_budii thank you

I think you are 2 month late with April fools, because this is when devs were joking about MACROtransactions over microtransactions 😄

thanks bro

Lmao And it remains to be seen how good the game will be. Hoping for the best of course.

Haha fair point

If it works well there is no reason to change it.

but this definitely looks promising with the Dyson Sphere stuff :)

Still play sc2 when I want a quick game bc faf sometimes takes forever to get a game going

I am also a long time Supreme Commander fan. Been there since vanilla SupCom. Sanctuary hasn't convinced me so far. But I'll give it a chance for sure. A commander that can turn into an experimental with upgrades is something that sounds like a nice innovation. The terrain seems to need a lot of work though. Looks very bland to me. Explosions look good on the other hand. Unit design is a bit hit or miss to me so far. The Sanctuary Cybran faction looks good.

​@@1989ElLocoDon't know what you mean about commander becoming an experimental unit, because there are 2 things about it 1)It was said that with right upgrades and chassis change commander can be low-T4 strength level 2)T5(End gamer) Titan units( like the one from Chosen seen in the trailer) require the usage of commander to be built or work. Which one did you mean?

@@volodymyr_budii Meant 1

We haven't done any worldbuilding that you can see yet. The demo will land with a sample campaign mission that will do some of that - it's hard to jam heaps into one mission but we will try!

Well, if you spend a bit more time on the server and look around, you would find a lot if new and cool features that they want to add.

It is true that there are lots of similarities, we are still putting in the basics - a lot of the differences are coming up.

Yeah good idea lmao... It will just be like Supreme Commander on xbox 360. No problems there at all lol.

@@reddragon4482 there were some issues but nothing game breaking. I hated the 200 unit cap though. SupCom2 runs great on my One X.

there is actually an interview somewhere where Total Annihilation/Supreme Commander creator says that one of the reasons SupCom 2 failed was because their publisher wanted a console release and they spent a lot of time figuring out controls instead of actually making the game edit: actually it's one of the recent videos on this channel

@@rjawiygvozd Okay still, Xbox.Release. I understand you can't do all the fun things you can on a keyboard, Okay; I get this. Anyone who plays console understands this; the control scheme can be basic. Hold A for area paint, tap for single unit, double tap for all of one type etc. The control scheme for SupCom2 wasn't bad, I liked it in all honesty I just wanted bigger armies and more space.

@@rjawiygvozd You are forgetting the fact that it literally crashed nearly every game too. As powerful as newer consoles are they will still never be as powerful as high end computer or provide the level of control that a computer would. Games like this don't work on consoles well at all.

TA and supreme commander are different enough in gameplay style and philosophy to count them as different sub-sub-genre.

Modern RTS designers hate turtling.

​@@SPTX.Because sitting in the base for over an hour is not a good idea for majority of players. People love action, and defenses being too good at defending, together with reclaime mechanics would make attacking too hard and inefficient, which creates stale gameplay of who can just eco up better.

No, Sanctuary has holes spread all around it and let a bit of light out, which is then reflected back on surface with mirror satelit3s in space.

Sanctuary has holes spread all around it which let's a but of light out, which is then reflected back on surface with mirrors in space

Hearing damage, brain damage, or American, which one are you? He's from New Zealand

@@Stukov961 joke from “forgetting sarah marshal” relax bud

You are just assuming from nothing. If you spent any time on their discord server, you would have known about plenty if cool stuff they desire to accomplish.

@@volodymyr_budii Most what was showed here, were units smashing together. Holes in the ground, where you can see a sun, is just a nice gimmick, which looks cool, but in practice it is just a not traversable terrain. I am just allergic to games like it after Planetary Anihilation and seeing another titles which just adds gimmicks and new units, which in practice do the same, without expanding on controll mechanics, production automations, target priorities, area monitoring for artylery units, spread out patrols and fight avoidence for recon units, being able to make your own blue prints for buildings positions, so you can build production or defensive, or resource outpost in just 2 clicks.... Large scale needs large improvements to controls, units scripts for behavior without player attention and soo on. Not another gimmick with Dyson sphere.

@@zbigniew2628 It's true that the game philosophy is to make the controls so good you can manage larger armies, so you spend more time on strategy and less time clicking. You might be interested to know more about our formations then, where you can select some units and drag a line across the map to have them spread out along that line. Then you can assist the formation with factories and any new units will join the ranks of units in the formation. We also want to put in future orders, where you can select units that dont even exist yet and tell them what to do when they are finished. There are plans for area commands and engineers that automatically salvage wrecks, and perhaps even the ability to mark 'no fly zones' on the map where your units will automatically avoid during their orders. You are right, we need to add more cool controls and that will come - it is early days! Terrain shattering is not just a gimmick, its new gameplay, you can turn an open field into two chokepoints, or you can shatter defensively to close the door to your own base. The freeze mechanic is opens up to new gameplay we havent seen before ... if you lose navy you will surely try and freeze the map, but they will know that so will defend the control structure, all before the big naval fight even ends! In the campaign you will have to freeze lakes to move across, but that will also freeze other lakes, allowing unknown units to approach you.

@@sanctuaryshatteredsun Good to know, that some devs understand importance of improved mechanics, not only looks ;) I quess I am just angry after homeworld 3 release. I hope you can do something like unit types priority to atack and a zone of fire for artylery units, which should be like expandable circle with a hotkey to cancel all orders like it to avoid some units being in idle for too long... Also being able to do custome units behavior changes or at least changing its details would be cools e.g. within unit type priority to atack there should be the area of search for a target outside range, so your units aim at chosen target outside range, by getting closer, rather than shooting at whatever is closer. I just would love to see some smart AI commands e.g. for indirect fire like aim at stacionary targets or try to predict units movement and aim there, but then add command / formation to move not in a straight line... But here there are my general complains due to Company of heroes 3... Good luck with your development!

Why not? Triple S sounds cool to me.

Huh? It is gonna be PC only on release, or most likely.

@@volodymyr_budii damn

Sanctuary has holes spread all around it which let a bit of light out, which is then reflected back on the surface with mirror satelites

Why is it a shame? I am not a programmer my self, so no idea. What are the downsides?

@@1989ElLoco although there are technical limitations to unity and plenty of things I could state from an engineering point of view, the true reasons relate to the events that took place a few months back: plenty of KZfaq videos and news articles on that.

@@aselus Yes I know about those events. Thought you meant from an engineering perspective.

@@1989ElLoco I am curious as well D:

I can't imagine such an RatS without fog of war - especially since the core feature of one of the factions here is stealth from radar, and trying to find out what your enemy is doing is the key element of "strategy". Though it down mean that this issue doesn't have other possible ways of fixing it.

@@volodymyr_budii like I said I probably just suck. I've only played a few games of supreme Commander 2 online and 2 games of StarCraft 2 online. One of which was my brother and I vs 1 person and we still got spanked. Maybe the main issue is playing vs the AI and story mode are waay different than playing a person

Imagine saying that when game isn't even in alpha. Even if Sanctuary is just to be a copy of FAF, it is already worth it just because of better optimization, pathfinding, connection stability and easier modding, but if you spent more time around their server, you would know about plenty of ideas devs want to accomplish, which would make the gameplay more interesting than in supcom. I would say that nostalgia is doing quite some hard job at making new RTS not feeling as good as before.

A relatively new rts that's good to me is PA Titans. It's programmed so well. Runs smooth as butter with tons of units. Also it has a chronocam and a way of playing in one team in multiplayer. They truly tried something new with the planet like maps. It also has cool units, such as repair units, teleporters, unit cannons and orbital units. Is it better than FAF? Not in my opinion. But it's still a butterly smooth fun rts.

@@volodymyr_budii I gamed for a long time to know that these words doesn't mean much. Alpha, beta. If product is bad from the start, it will continue to be bad. New games also doesn't have better quality of life features. Old games are as good as they get with connection, optimization, pathfinding. Even modding in Supreme Commander is massive. You have two free expansions to choose from. New game isn't going to have better modding scene for many years. You should actually try and play old games. I did replayed Supreme Commander Forged Alliance campaign last year. It was still a blast. Also, game still looks amazing and it nails down its scale well. This is something I fell in love with and none of the successors ever got that thing right.

@@1989ElLoco I really disliked PA Titans.

@REgamesplayer 1)You think supcom was looking good from the very start and 2 years before it's full release? I really doubt that. 2)What? Supcom has good optimization, pathfinding and connection stability? Straight up wrong. The optimization sucks, because all physics run on a single thread and regardless of how good your hardware is, it will slow down in late game with many units. Pathfanding is also bad - units regularly stuck on terrain, hover units always move forward before going into direction needed, huge armies always have a traffic jam and because of that, they will always move in a stretched line instead of proper formation, engineers always take ages to move away from place where you want to build, and reclaiming small trees/rocks is absurdly slow. And connection isn't that bad, but it could be much better - it is an often thing to have someone randomly lose connection. And the modding scene - Sanctuary is gonna be much better and easier to mod. Hell, we ALREADY have a dude on their discord server, which has barely any coding skills already modding the demo he has, like changing the weapons units use, etc. And statement that new games don't have QoL features is also straight up wrong. Look at BAR - it has amazing unit controls and automatic metal generator management, and Sanctuary devs said that they want to add a lot of them into the game, plus other newer one.